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Protools LE problems w/ amd
Hello,
I just got a custom machine with a 2800+ Athlon AMD, 2 GHZ ram and 2 80 Gig HD's. I configured XP Home edition as stated in the manual and everything loaded fine. The problem is that I get interupts (asking to change H/W buffer) during the lightest operations. Does anyone know why this is? My friend told me that this me machine should be plenty for lots of tracks and plugins. It could be a RAM or CPU problem. Does anyone have any suggestions?? Thanks |
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I just got a custom machine with a 2800+ Athlon AMD, 2 GHZ ram and 2 80 Gig HD's. I configured XP Home edition as stated in the manual and everything loaded fine. The problem is that I get interupts (asking to change H/W buffer) during the lightest operations. Does anyone know why this is? My friend told me that this me machine should be plenty for lots of tracks and plugins. It could be a RAM or CPU problem. Does anyone have any suggestions?? Thanks http://duc.digidesign.com/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=UBB32 that is the link to the pro tools le windows xp board. Are you running usb2 or firewire to external drives? usb1 won't cut it I found out from experience. Also reverb plug ins use a lot of cpu, if you have a lot of these you may want to bounce with your effects to another track to free up cpu. Good luck |
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db wrote: I just got a custom machine with a 2800+ Athlon AMD, 2 GHZ ram and 2 80 Gig HD's. I configured XP Home edition as stated in the manual and everything loaded fine. The problem is that I get interupts (asking to change H/W buffer) during the lightest operations. Does anyone know why this is? My friend told me that this me machine should be plenty for lots of tracks and plugins. It could be a RAM or CPU problem. Does anyone have any suggestions?? Thanks http://duc.digidesign.com/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=UBB32 that is the link to the pro tools le windows xp board. Are you running usb2 or firewire to external drives? usb1 won't cut it I found out from experience. Also reverb plug ins use a lot of cpu, if you have a lot of these you may want to bounce with your effects to another track to free up cpu. Good luck Thanks for that. I have SP2 for XP so it should be USB2.0. I thought it might be plugins. In this case, I had 2 Amplitubes, 1 EQ and 1 Reverb. After I bounced the Instruments to do Vox, I still had interupts (just 3 tracks, 1 Comp). I will check out the link. Thanks |
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Have you checked to see how many non pro tools processes are running in
the background? To optimize your system for pro tools, you may need to strip down those background processes. It could be anything from a virus to microsoft office "fast find" that's making the interruption. Mike |
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I set my system so that it loads the bare minimum at startup. I
beginning to suspect that it's a hard drive issue. My Audio Hard drive is slaved to my System/Programs Hard drive. It might be something with DMA, etc... |
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wrote in message oups.com... I set my system so that it loads the bare minimum at startup. I beginning to suspect that it's a hard drive issue. My Audio Hard drive is slaved to my System/Programs Hard drive. It might be something with DMA, etc... I'd like to know how you resolve the issue. I find it too difficult to deal with XP due to the lack of ability to reserve (or even see) IRQ usage and DMA usage. I wouldn't think there would be a bottleneck because both drives are on the same IDE cable. Other running processes are my supposition as well. -- David Morgan (MAMS) http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com Morgan Audio Media Service Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901 _______________________________________ http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com |
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Were you able to check out the Windows pro tools le forum?
You should be able to get some good information there with the same original post. There might be an issue with the Athlon AMD not being compatable somehow. |
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I have been running a successful XP system for over 2 years. Some
tricks I've learned. Disable any network interfaces not being used (this includes any firewire interfaces that are not used. Do not use an image as your background use a simple color background. See the DUC for how to trick out your system even more. I have 2 ibm deskstar drives and they work great with an amd 2400+. I also record directly to a firewire drive and it works great. Also, do not bypass plugins. when I have plugins in bypass mode i will get all kinds of those errors. When I disable them instead of bypassing it works like a champ. steve |
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I've been through the whole list of stuff on the DUC site but still the
same problem. I even made the Audio drive a master drive and that didn't work. BTW, the error comes when I frist minimize the Protools screen. Then it keeps coming back no matter what at different instances in playback. This particular session has a reverb, eq, comp, 3 amplitudes. I had the same problem with only 2 tracks running a comp. Any other ideas?? rudedogg wrote: I have been running a successful XP system for over 2 years. Some tricks I've learned. Disable any network interfaces not being used (this includes any firewire interfaces that are not used. Do not use an image as your background use a simple color background. See the DUC for how to trick out your system even more. I have 2 ibm deskstar drives and they work great with an amd 2400+. I also record directly to a firewire drive and it works great. Also, do not bypass plugins. when I have plugins in bypass mode i will get all kinds of those errors. When I disable them instead of bypassing it works like a champ. steve |
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should have bought a mac
dale That was so clever. Mine works just fine on Windows XP. Yeah it bogs down a bit with about 25 plug ins running... but heh, I guess I'll just have to deal with it. |
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So I finally figured that the problem is deeper than just turning on
and off another driver. I was also gettting sudden restarts when starting a program or doing a certain function in Protools. This sounded like a RAM problem. I downloaded and ran DocMem and sure enough, both sticks of 1ghz ram failed 2 test loops (the were given to me, btw.) So, can anyone recommend the best ram makers for intesive audio work? I need PC3200 DDR either 2x512 or 1 ghz Thanks |
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In a full time fixed installation, these days that's a little
impractical. You don't want to have to reboot the computer and load another hardware profile if you need to access a file on another machine on your network, or access a Firewire device. If you're going to have a dedicated recorder, you might as well just get (or build) one and isolate it from the rest of the world (and Microsoft). I don't think that turning off a network interface during the tracking or mixing of a session is too much to ask. It is more of a work flow thing. Maybe in a huge production company with a 5 studio SAN network, you might not be able to do this, but you most likely won't be running windows xp on an amd processor either. I was offering suggestions on how to get better performance out of a windows machine, not how to run a network, or the ideals of how to build a studio based network. These ideas were regurgitated from the DUC and digi's recommendations not out of my imagination. I have been doing network engineering for my day job for the past 7 years, so believe me this is not the ideal way I would run it either I'm usually the last person to tell you to turn off a network interface. But I have noticed an increase in performance with protools when the network interfaces are disabled. Do not use an image as your background use a simple color background. See the DUC for how to trick out your system even more. That's reasonable, but how much does it really help? On XP every little bit helps. I have noticed increased performance after doing this with several other tweaks. This particular one... who knows how much exactly. What's "bypassing" a plug-in? (this is a real question since I don't use plug-ins) I figured that either you installed it on a track or you didn't. If you wanted to bypass it (for instance an EQ or a compressor) momentarily to see if you were making things better or worse when you had it in, sure, you bypass it. But if you decide you don't want to use it, just remove it from the track. If I patch a compressor into a track and decide it's not doing me any good, I just pull the patch cable. Isn't it just that simple on a DAW? It is usually just like you say, but when I am working on certain parts of songs, i may disable plugins to get better performance, but I don't want to get rid of them completely. Like bouncing tracks with plugins so I can use more. then turning the voices off on the original tracks. I like to leave the settings in the plugins however so if i go back to change it later then I don't have to completely redo the settings. However in learning all of this, I found that if I leave them in bypass mode (just pressing the button that says bypass on them, that it only takes like 2 in bypass and i'll start getting the errors. But disabling them (ctl-option click) or windows (ctl-windows-key click) you can keep all the settings and it is more like a hardware bypass. in hardware units, you can pull patch cables, and the settings stay the same on the unit. not so with plugins, you can however save the settings, but once you have like 30 settings saved for the same plugin, it can become quite annoying esp with eqs. steve Or is this a decision that people are unable or unwilling to make? |
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in hardware units, you can pull patch cables, and the settings stay
the same on the unit. not so with plugins, you can however save the settings, but once you have like 30 settings saved for the same plugin, it can become quite annoying esp with eqs. Tee hee chortle chortle ok, bit of exaguration. as soon as you patch it in again it's gone. but that's what documentation is for...G |
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Hold the phone everyone. After trying several tweeks I downloaded
DocMemory to check my RAM and sure enough, both sticks failed the test. I purchased a new 1gig Crucial stick w/ heatsink and now there are no problems (of course). If anyone is experiencing problems, please check your RAM. My PC machine now runs seamless!! rudedogg wrote: in hardware units, you can pull patch cables, and the settings stay the same on the unit. not so with plugins, you can however save the settings, but once you have like 30 settings saved for the same plugin, it can become quite annoying esp with eqs. Tee hee chortle chortle ok, bit of exaguration. as soon as you patch it in again it's gone. but that's what documentation is for...G |
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"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote:
I'd like to know how you resolve the issue. I find it too difficult to deal with XP due to the lack of ability to reserve (or even see) IRQ usage and DMA usage. Y'know, since I went to XP, I quit worrying about IRQ and DMA usage. When I got my first XP machine I decided to try just letting the OS handle it, figuring I could always override later if it didn't work out. Haven't even thought about those acronyms since, until you brought them up here. -- "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!" - Lorin David Schultz in the control room making even bad news sound good (Remove spamblock to reply) |
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Gee, that was helpful Dale. And what exactly should he do when the Mac
misbehaves? Putz. To the OP (you didn't mention your name), try a different video card. Go with a super-simple offering from a well-known vendor. Something super-common/mainstream (I went with an ATI 9600). We've encountered problems with video drivers causing Pro Tools to misbehave intermittently on both a Wintel machine and a G4. We never did figure out what the issue was, but in both cases changing out the video card to a different brand and/or model solved the problem. It may not be what's wrong with your machine, but it couldn't hurt to try it. The fact that it occurs after minimizing is what has me thinking in that direction. -- "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!" - Lorin David Schultz in the control room making even bad news sound good (Remove spamblock to reply) "dale" wrote in message oups.com... should have bought a mac dale |
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"Lorin David Schultz" wrote in message news:5q2Ud.13028$ab2.7873@edtnps89... "David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote: I'd like to know how you resolve the issue. I find it too difficult to deal with XP due to the lack of ability to reserve (or even see) IRQ usage and DMA usage. Y'know, since I went to XP, I quit worrying about IRQ and DMA usage. When I got my first XP machine I decided to try just letting the OS handle it, figuring I could always override later if it didn't work out. Haven't even thought about those acronyms since, until you brought them up here. Hi Lorin, You aren't the first person to tell me "Just let this great new OS deal with it". In one case I asked Romeo (you remember the name) to show me just what he had on his PC in the way of IRQ allocations... so he did. To my amazement, 3 or 4 items per IRQ (his home machine was absolutely jam-packed with large amounts of peripheral hardware). I couldn't believe it... then he put Nuendo on the machine and added the Hammerfall card, and bragged some more. Well... admittedly, everything was pretty damned smooth as best as I could tell. But he would still end up with the ocassional pop or tick on a track and his audio CD burning ran well over a 5% failure rate if you call glitches as they are.... failures. I still want to blame it on the OS and not being able to control hardware assignments. But maybe this is my own hang-up. I just don't want to lose control over the fact that I turn out about 99% flawless CDs on older OSes where I have tweaked as necessary. So.... I'm still anxious to hear more on this, even though the OP simply had bad RAM. DM |
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