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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:30:07 -0600, dave weil
wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:12:48 +0000, Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:07:32 -0600, dave weil wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:53:26 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Look, perfectly innocent and common experiences like cutting the grass can damage your ears. Just because its done in the pursuit of art doesn't make it perfectly safe. I'd be interested in seeing someone cut the grass in the pursuit of art. http://www.iger.bbsrc.ac.uk/Community/GrassArt.htm You lose. No, YOU lose, because there's nothing there about "cutting the grass". I've seen it, boyo. It was cut alright, mum knows her grass.. They probably get some deaf sod like a classical performer to do it. Have some mo http://www.artsadmin.co.uk/artists/a...hesistext.html BTW, I have no doubt that SOMEBODY has done it. People have certainly done it with grain and corn and just about ANYTHING can be done in the name of art (one artist designated a column of air above a certain plot of land as "art"). Heck, artistic grass cutting is done at American Football stadiums and baseball stadiums all the time. I'm sure that Arnold thanks you for attempting to protect his mangling of the English language though. Hardly Shame that you exposed your lack of comprehension skills though. Better than your welsh, I think. |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
"Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message : Better than your *welsh , I think. : * so your real name could be Latte Tod Rats Labfoocgh ... interesting :-) R. |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
"Jenn" wrote in message ... In article .com, "Andre Jute" wrote: Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281: professional musicians, particularly classical performers, are likely to be hearing-damaged due to exposure to loud sounds Prove this vicious generalization, Krueger. It's clearly a false statement. Bad bet. Arny doesn't post things like this if he doesn't have data to back them up. |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
"Andre Jute" wrote in message oups.com... Andre Jute wrote: Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281: professional musicians, particularly classical performers, are likely to be hearing-damaged due to exposure to loud sounds Prove this vicious generalization, Krueger. While in this thread I'm glad to see Poopie do some work for a change rather than just carp uselessly, the context of Krueger's lie was not about orchestral performers. You're lying again. He specifically mentioned them. In fact, Krueger doesn't know about which musicians he made this blanket accusion of hearing damage because I never said which performers I used. Actually you did in at least one post. That is why Krueger is being asked specifically to: Prove this vicious generalization, Krueger. Get used to the fact that if it's about audio, Arny will have data to back him up. Andre Jute Precision is the first scientific virtue And one you don't seem to possess. |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
"Andre Jute" wrote in message ups.com... Arny Krueger wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote in message oups.com... Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281: professional musicians, particularly classical performers, are likely to be hearing-damaged due to exposure to loud sounds Prove this vicious generalization, Krueger. Krueger, I know all that stuff below. But it is about orchestral musicians and singers and jazzmen. They're not the musicians I used for my tests. THEN WHAT KIND OF MUSICANS DID YOU USE? You rashly made a statement in a particular context about musicians whose description you did not know. Now I'm asking you to prove it. None of the stuff below is more than marginally relevant. Stop wriggling and get on with your proof. STOP PLAYING GAMES AND GI E SPECIFICS ON THE KIND OF PEOPLE YOU USED AND YOU'LL GET A SPECIFIC ANSWER So far data has been provided on many diffferent kind of perormers, what did you use? People who play the Zither? Ducimer? Autoharp? Harmonica? Stop being such a **** and get on with it. You want a specific answer give specific data. Andre Jute Precision is the essential art of science http://www.dizziness-and-balance.com...g/hearing.html "Musical instruments can generate considerable sound and thus can also cause hearing loss. The most damaging type of sounds is in the high-frequencies. The piccolo generates sound levels up to 112 dB.roughly equivalent to a jackhammer at 30 feet. "Violins and violas can be sufficiently loud to cause permanent hearing loss. This is typically worse in the left ear which is nearer the instrument. Unlike other instruments, the ability to hear the high-frequency harmonics is crucial to these musicians. Mutes can be used while practicing to reduce long term exposure. (Karlsson, Lundquist et al. 1983; Ostri, Eller et al. 1989; Royster, Royster et al. 1991; Sataloff 1991; Palin 1994; Teie 1998; Obeling and Poulsen 1999; Hoppmann 2001; Kahari, Axelsson et al. 2001). In a study of rock/Jazz musicions, almost 3/4 had a hearing disorder, with hearing loss, hyperacusis and tinnitus being the most common maladies. (Kaharit, Zachau et al. 2003) http://homepages.kdsi.net/~sherman/hearingloss.htm "But Furtwängler's story illustrates a downside. To fill the larger halls with sufficient sound, the voices, instruments and ensembles had to crank up to potentially ear-damaging levels. Countless violists, who sit right in front of the brass, have been deafened as a result. And some veteran opera singers, thanks to years of being screeched at by their fellow divas at close range, have lost a good deal of hearing. http://www.lhh.org/noise/facts/music.htm Studies show that 37% of rock musicians and 52% of classical musicians have a measurable hearing loss (Chasin, M., 1998). And on, and on, and on... |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
wrote in message nk.net... "Jenn" wrote in message ... In article .com, "Andre Jute" wrote: Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281: professional musicians, particularly classical performers, are likely to be hearing-damaged due to exposure to loud sounds Prove this vicious generalization, Krueger. It's clearly a false statement. Bad bet. Arny doesn't post things like this if he doesn't have data to back them up. It definitely separated the posers from the players. |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
"Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:07:32 -0600, dave weil wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:53:26 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Look, perfectly innocent and common experiences like cutting the grass can damage your ears. Just because its done in the pursuit of art doesn't make it perfectly safe. I'd be interested in seeing someone cut the grass in the pursuit of art. http://www.iger.bbsrc.ac.uk/Community/GrassArt.htm You lose. Again. ;-) |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:50:45 +0000, Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote: I'm sure that Arnold thanks you for attempting to protect his mangling of the English language though. Hardly OK, so he DOESN'T thank you. Ungrateful sod. |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:57:26 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: I'd be interested in seeing someone cut the grass in the pursuit of art. http://www.iger.bbsrc.ac.uk/Community/GrassArt.htm You lose. Again. ;-) As previously pointed out, nothing in there about cutting the grass. So YOU lose. Again. |
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To the attention of Mr André Jute.
Andre Jute a écrit :
Lionel wrote: Dédé Jute a écrit : Perhaps you're having a linguistic misunderstanding, Lee-oooh-knell. I couldn't have "done an ass of himself" because the performers involved were not orchestral. Prove it !!! You're getting hysterical, Lionel. Arny Kruger told a lie about performers without knowing who they are or what they play or where. IMHO Arnold Krueger bring our attention on the fact that musicians are a group of person "at risk" concerning hearing problems. According to all the links posted it seems that musicians are more subject than the rest of the population to "hearing problems". "Precision is the essential art of science" This is why I ask you to prove that in the panel of musicians you have selected for your blind tests none of them were playing or have played in large ensemble. Moreover since you was *informed* that musicians are a population "at risk" I suppose that you have requiered from them a recent *audiogram* before engaging them in your test session. Can you please confirm us these two points ? If not your : "In my experience professional musicians in blind tests prefer tubes." Is a big bull**** lie to which you can add your presomptuous : "Precision is the essential art of science" Obviously you can consider my questions with your usual contempt and playing with my name up to the end of the night... You will remain a sterile old braggart Looking forward to hear from you... soon. ;-) -- Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote. But what's new around here? Dave Weil - Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15 -0500 |
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Sluttishness on Parade
George M. Middius a écrit :
Andre Jute said to La Sale Salope: I cannot imagine why you believe I should help slime like Arny Krueger escape the consequences of his lies. You've touched on the central mystery of la phenomene de Lionella, as it's sometimes known on RAO. Namely, why does poor Slut have such an unfettered dedication to Mr. ****? She ignores all of the Beast's nastiness, all of its lies, all of its empty-headed and ignorant posturing about technical matters. At the same time, Slut lunges viciously at anybody who dares to mock Turdborg, let alone embarass him with facts or logic, as you've done in this particular thread. Sluttie tells us she's not a Kroopologist. I never pretend that. :-D In truth, under the literal meaning of the term, she probably isn't one. But her unthinking and reflexive defenses of the Big ****, as predictable as Old Faithful, have buried her inextricably in a state of extreme Kroofulness. And nobody knows exactly why Lionella chooses to ally herself with this odious and craven kreature. RAO is my bistrot, my FoxNews. Without Arnold Krueger on RAO no George M. Middius, no Dave Weil, no Arthur Tsechmeister/Sackman, no André Jute... and obviously no Lionel Chapuis. I *never* read what Arnold Krueger write, I just like to read what others answer him. You and so many others are just like these insects flying around the lamp on summer evening. Arnold Krueger *attract* you. The more you write about Arnold Krueger the more your are his sockpuppet. The object of my contribution isn't Arnold Krueger since I am not interested in what he use to write. I just like to watch the mores and behaviour of all the fauna which gravitate around him. He makes you tell so much interesting things... ;-) For example, George, according to your nomenclature André Jute is a "Krooborg" since he was proudly refering to blind test like a scientifical evidence of tube amps superiority. George M. Middius is bantering with a Krooborg... Funny no ? When I say you that RAO is full of surprise... When I say you that in the end Arnold Krueger make you doing exactly what he wants you do ! :-D -- Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote. But what's new around here? Dave Weil - Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15 -0500 |
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To the attention of Mr André Jute.
Lionel wrote:
Looking forward to hear from you... soon. ;-) Isn't Jute one of Middius's sockpuppets? |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No.51281
Arny Krueger a écrit :
"Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message ... On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:07:32 -0600, dave weil wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:53:26 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Look, perfectly innocent and common experiences like cutting the grass can damage your ears. Just because its done in the pursuit of art doesn't make it perfectly safe. I'd be interested in seeing someone cut the grass in the pursuit of art. http://www.iger.bbsrc.ac.uk/Community/GrassArt.htm You lose. Again. ;-) Louder !!! ....He is deaf. ) -- Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote. But what's new around here? Dave Weil - Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15 -0500 |
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To the attention of Mr André Jute.
"Schizoid Man" wrote in message ... Lionel wrote: Looking forward to hear from you... soon. ;-) Isn't Jute one of Middius's sockpuppets? El Dot misses the target again. What a shame, he has so much potential.... sigh |
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Sluttishness on Parade
Dédé Jute a écrit :
There are three awful truths about the French which it is not politically correct to mention: First lie from Dédé. It is worldwide known that "France bashing" is à la mode since Feb/March 2003. 1. They arrogantly think they have all the brains in the world. Second lie from Dédé. Which is obvioulsy wrong, the country is still open to the immigration... ;-) 2. They are bullies. That's true and moronic braggarts are our prefered victims. 3. They are ineffably stupid, best seen in their self-laceration, of which Lionel several times assualting me after I demonstrated on his skin that I am not a victim, is a good example. Dédé Jute is not only a famous scriptwriter he is also a casting director. Too bad that he is the only star he knows... Dédé Jute PS Be kind to Arny now that he has admitted he made a gross error. He needs your loving kindness, George, and that of Margaret von B. Conclusion : Dédé is an asslicker. Hey Dédé, if you decide again to cross France in your old GS make a stop in Saint-Etienne, I will pay you a glass of St Joseph. -- Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote. But what's new around here? Dave Weil - Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15 -0500 |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
Iain Churches said: 1. The violinists Careful! It says "violists." Was this Arny again? Maybe he has special information relating to baroque (pre-classical) ensembles, where the viol, with six strings, was indeed used. But, there again, perhaps he just can't spell:-)) Krooglish is the ideal dialect for whitewashing small differences. :-) |
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To the attention of Mr André Jute.
In , Schizoid Man wrote :
Lionel wrote: Looking forward to hear from you... soon. ;-) Isn't Jute one of Middius's sockpuppets? Are you also giving attention to these paranoid considerations ? -- "Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote. But what's new around here?" Dave Weil, Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15 |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
Are you the Andy Cowley who is ****ed off at me because I potted your
wife's countryman, the little Serbian fascist Choky? Andy Cowley wrote: Andre Jute wrote: Andre Jute Precision is the first scientific virtue Second to honesty, but you wouldn't know about that. It appears that your accusation about Arnie is in fact Jute Lie No. 1.618 * 10^99. Orchestral musicians _do_ indeed suffer from noise induced hearing damage. Care to apologise? Not at all. You see, your bumbuddy Krueger spouted off about a group of people without discovering which group of people they were. I carefully didn't tell him which class of performers I used for my tests. They weren't orchestral musicians. Now Krueger, who pretends to be a scientist, having spouted off on a subject, is running around trying to discover what the subject was. Neat little experiment to discover what Krueger is made of, don't you think? He clearly has no understanding of scientific method, for a start. For another thing, if Krueger had any decency, he would have admitted his error immediately and apologized. Instead he tries to cover up with personal abuse. You're idiot for trying to defend the indefensible, Cowley. You're a hypocrite, Cowley, for defending indefensible scum like Krueger who is caught out in a gross lie -- because you have some personal beef with me. Andy Unsigned out of contempt Science is an impersonal art without room for personalities |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
"Andre Jute" wrote in message oups.com... You should know that I've already asked my professional associates to look at Arnie's socalled ABX site. When their reports are in I shall, if that site is still up, make and publish an analysis of Krueger's gross misunderstandings and errors in placebo testing. I have no ABX site. Jute, you lose! |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Krueger Lie No. 51281
"Andre Jute" wrote in message oups.com... Lionel wrote: Dédé Jute a écrit : Perhaps you're having a linguistic misunderstanding, Lee-oooh-knell. I couldn't have "done an ass of himself" because the performers involved were not orchestral. Prove it !!! You're getting hysterical, Lionel. Arny Kruger told a lie about performers without knowing who they are or what they play or where. He didn't tell a lie you stupid ass. He gave data that was applicable to many different kinds of musicans. That whatever people you claim to have tested aren't on the list is not a lie. It is up to him to find out who they are and what they play and where. Then it is up to him to prove his lie about them. Provide the information about who they are. I cannot imagine why you believe I should help slime like Arny Krueger escape the consequences of his lies. I can't imagine why you would not state what kind of musicans you are talking about unless they don't exist or you already know there is data that backs up his point. If Krueger were a decent human being, or a moral person, or a Christian, he would admit he made a terrible mistake, apologise and promise to improve his behaviour. Instead he's launched on a campaign of name-calling. If you were a decnet human being you'd stop the stupid charade and state what kind of people you tested. Your refusal to do casts you in a bad light not him. "Precision is the essential art of science" Indeed, as I am demonstrating, in competent hands precision is a rapier. And you're being cut to shreds. PS : you can go to bed now, you will start to lie again in few hours. ;-) The inane grimacing picon won't save your hero or you, you wretched little piece of sewerage. The difference between you and me is that I prove every point twice over. I have proved that Krueger is a wilful liar. The only thing you proved is you are **** and von artist. You can try to prove that I ever told a single lie or you can apologise now for calling me a liar. One or the other or you're scum, and I shall be reminding the world of it. The only thing you're doing is proving once again what a scummy piece of **** you are. Unsigned out of contempt You are contemptable that much is true. |
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To the attention of Mr André Jute.
"Schizoid Man" wrote in message ... Lionel wrote: Looking forward to hear from you... soon. ;-) Isn't Jute one of Middius's sockpuppets? Most likely. |
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To the attention of Mr André Jute.
"Margaret von B." wrote in message ... "Schizoid Man" wrote in message ... Lionel wrote: Looking forward to hear from you... soon. ;-) Isn't Jute one of Middius's sockpuppets? El Dot misses the target again. What a shame, he has so much potential.... sigh Said another sockpuppet. |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
"Andre Jute" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote in message ups.com... Arny Krueger wrote: "Andre Jute" wrote in message oups.com... Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281: professional musicians, particularly classical performers, are likely to be hearing-damaged due to exposure to loud sounds Prove this vicious generalization, Krueger. Krueger, I know all that stuff below. But it is about orchestral musicians and singers and jazzmen. They're not the musicians I used for my tests. THEN WHAT KIND OF MUSICANS DID YOU USE? At you're getting a glimmering, Mike. I knew that if we explained it to you often enough, you'd You rashly made a statement in a particular context about musicians whose description you did not know. Now I'm asking you to prove it. None of the stuff below is more than marginally relevant. Stop wriggling and get on with your proof. STOP PLAYING GAMES AND GI E SPECIFICS ON THE KIND OF PEOPLE YOU USED AND YOU'LL GET A SPECIFIC ANSWER After Krueger, spouting off without knowing the subject, has already given a hundred wrong answers. Is that how you do science in America these days, Mike? Let's look at that again: STOP PLAYING GAMES AND GI E SPECIFICS ON THE KIND OF PEOPLE YOU USED AND YOU'LL GET A SPECIFIC ANSWER Eh? After all these lies from Krueger on a subject even you now admit he was igorant on, how do you expect us ever to believe him again? In any event, I already have the answer and Krueger doesn't. He is still trying to find out what the question is -- after he spouted off a hundred wrong answers. So far data has been provided on many diffferent kind of perormers, what did you use? People who play the Zither? Ducimer? Autoharp? Harmonica? Stop being such a **** and get on with it. Excuse me? I expose an abusive liar who postures as an expert -- and you call me a ****? You want a specific answer give specific data. Try again, Mickey. I already have the answer. Krueger doesn't even have the question -- you're trying to help him get the question -- but he lies about the answer to question he has never heard. I don't need the help of a pretend-expert like Krueger. None of us do. You don't either. Andre Jute Precision is the essential art of science Below my signature is a listing of all the anwers Krueger gave to a question even his loyal sidekicks now admit Krueger didn't know. Andre Jute Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/ "an unbelievably comprehensive web site" -- Hi-Fi News & Record Review http://www.dizziness-and-balance.com...g/hearing.html "Musical instruments can generate considerable sound and thus can also cause hearing loss. The most damaging type of sounds is in the high-frequencies. The piccolo generates sound levels up to 112 dB.roughly equivalent to a jackhammer at 30 feet. "Violins and violas can be sufficiently loud to cause permanent hearing loss. This is typically worse in the left ear which is nearer the instrument. Unlike other instruments, the ability to hear the high-frequency harmonics is crucial to these musicians. Mutes can be used while practicing to reduce long term exposure. (Karlsson, Lundquist et al. 1983; Ostri, Eller et al. 1989; Royster, Royster et al. 1991; Sataloff 1991; Palin 1994; Teie 1998; Obeling and Poulsen 1999; Hoppmann 2001; Kahari, Axelsson et al. 2001). In a study of rock/Jazz musicions, almost 3/4 had a hearing disorder, with hearing loss, hyperacusis and tinnitus being the most common maladies. (Kaharit, Zachau et al. 2003) http://homepages.kdsi.net/~sherman/hearingloss.htm "But Furtwängler's story illustrates a downside. To fill the larger halls with sufficient sound, the voices, instruments and ensembles had to crank up to potentially ear-damaging levels. Countless violists, who sit right in front of the brass, have been deafened as a result. And some veteran opera singers, thanks to years of being screeched at by their fellow divas at close range, have lost a good deal of hearing. http://www.lhh.org/noise/facts/music.htm Studies show that 37% of rock musicians and 52% of classical musicians have a measurable hearing loss (Chasin, M., 1998). And on, and on, and on... Yup. And on and on and on irrelevantly drones Mr Arny Krueger, pretend-expert So far he's demonstrated far more audio expertise than you have. |
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To the attention of Mr André Jute.
Mickey, how many languages do you speak? I'll give you half-credit for English as a starting point. Isn't Jute one of Middius's sockpuppets? Most likely. Is "Most likely" Tamil for "duh"? |
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Arny Krueger admits Lie No. 51281 -- McKelpie still hasn't caught on
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To the attention of Mr André Jute.
"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote in message ... Mickey, how many languages do you speak? I'll give you half-credit for English as a starting point. Isn't Jute one of Middius's sockpuppets? Most likely. Is "Most likely" Tamil for "duh"? Not likely. It could be the same animator for the person who used to post as BJ Quackenbush. Not that you couldn't all be the same "person." |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - André Jute Lie No. ?
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:23:21 GMT, Patrick Turner
wrote: drive 80 miles with the window down to bonk a sheila, and oops, my ears rebelled, bigtime. Well, we won't ask what you were doing to this woman with your ears. Patrick. Better not to know. |
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Sluttishness on Parade
On 15 Dec 2005 05:51:44 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote:
3. They are ineffably stupid, best seen in their self-laceration, of which Lionel several times assualting me after I demonstrated on his skin that I am not a victim, is a good example. Is the misspelling "assualt" to check if we're reading the full text? |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Iain Churches" wrote in message ... Just for the record, Arny said "classical performers" not orchestral musicians. There is a huge difference as Jenn pointed out. It's just more defensive hair-splitting. Nonsense, my dearArny. You are the one who is constantly rattling on about precision, so please be precise. Fact is that musical instruments and voices can easily be loud enough that they will damage any ears that are nearby, especially after protracted exposures. The same applies to motor cyle engines, car engines, cement mixers, or a million other sources of noise at high level. Look, perfectly innocent and common experiences like cutting the grass can damage your ears. Just because its done in the pursuit of art doesn't make it perfectly safe. Agreed. Iain |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
"MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article , "Iain Churches" wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article , Jenn wrote: http://homepages.kdsi.net/~sherman/hearingloss.htm "... Countless violists, who sit right in front of the brass, have been deafened as a result. 1. The violinists don't sit "right in front of the brass". 2. The last sentence is obvious hyperbole. "Deafened"? Careful! It says "violists." Was this Arny again? Maybe he has special information relating to baroque (pre-classical) ensembles, where the viol, with six strings, was indeed used. Someone would have to hit you with one to damage your hearing! Indeed. Henry VIII referred to the viol as "The most gentle and pleasing instrument of musicke" Iain |
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Arny Krueger admits Lie No. 51281 -- McKelpie still hasn't caughton
Dédé Jute a écrit :
Krueger has admitted his guilt so stop wasting everyone's time with your slothlike devotion to a proven charlatan. -- Andre Jute "Make sure you shout down and ridicule anyone who criticizes your hypothesis (chuckle), your method, or your conclusion." -- Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote. But what's new around here? Dave Weil - Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15 -0500 |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No.51281
Iain Churches a écrit :
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Iain Churches" wrote in message ... Just for the record, Arny said "classical performers" not orchestral musicians. There is a huge difference as Jenn pointed out. It's just more defensive hair-splitting. Nonsense, my dearArny. You are the one who is constantly rattling on about precision, so please be precise. Just do like most of the contributors have done. The number of links and example posted in this thread have clearly demonstrated that people on RAO have the urgent *need* to kill what could be a dramatic a priori. BTW you will note that the person at the origin of the statement : "In my experience professional musicians in blind tests prefer tubes." prefers to not divulgate the *scientific* method which has allowed the recruitment of his listening panel in a group of people recognized "at risk" concerning hearing problem. Did you request for precision ? You are right : "Precision is the essential art of science"... :-D -- Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote. But what's new around here? Dave Weil - Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15 -0500 |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No. 51281
Iain Churches wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article , "Iain Churches" wrote: "MINe 109" wrote in message ... In article , Jenn wrote: http://homepages.kdsi.net/~sherman/hearingloss.htm "... Countless violists, who sit right in front of the brass, have been deafened as a result. 1. The violinists don't sit "right in front of the brass". 2. The last sentence is obvious hyperbole. "Deafened"? Careful! It says "violists." I dislike that word intensely. It conjures up all the wrong images. We were talking about it once and Keith Pascoe of the Vanbrugh SQ said, "Not me. I've had too much beer already." Was this Arny again? Maybe he has special information relating to baroque (pre-classical) ensembles, where the viol, with six strings, was indeed used. Someone would have to hit you with one to damage your hearing! Indeed. Henry VIII referred to the viol as "The most gentle and pleasing instrument of musicke" I can just see Krueger, after a quick foray into Google, claiming those were all viola da gamba, and misconcluding that *therefore* (his favourite word of misdirection and miscomprehension) they were *big* and *loud*. In fact, perhaps I should have waited for him to do so... The name is misleading; at the time it applied to any viol played on the lap or between the legs; none of them were the size of later the instruments segueing (1) into the size we know today. Iain Andre Jute (1) Last month I was discussing a script with a film director. The word segue is used for a particular kind of transition employing sound overlap to establish location- or time-shift. In da moom pitchers it is pronounced sea-gew. I asked him about it. He didn't know there is a musical connotation or another pronunciation. "Those musicians steal from everybody," he assured me earnestly. I invented a sudden inspiration that could only be satisfied by an instant walk alone along the beach where he couldn't hear me laugh. |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No.51281
Andy Cowley wrote: Jenn wrote: "But Furtwängler's story illustrates a downside. To fill the larger halls with sufficient sound, the voices, instruments and ensembles had to crank up to potentially ear-damaging levels. Countless violists, who sit right in front of the brass, have been deafened as a result. 2. The last sentence is obvious hyperbole. "Deafened"? Yes, deafened - having their hearing capabilities diminished. Deafness is not an absolute but a whole spectrum of impairments. Yes, you just don't just go deaf, like some turning down the volume control. Young people think that's how it happens, and there will always be a volume control to turn up to compensate. Ah no, ppl get all these noises in their ears, bad enough to send ppl crazy, or destroy social life. And perhaps slight noise becomes crashingly loud, so you can't even wash the dishes without thinking the clank of the plates is "deafening". Being blinded means having one's sight removed, usually blinded means just that, no sight, so we say partially blinded or sight impaired, we should say the same about hearing.... Patrick Turner. Andy |
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"Classical performers hearing-damaged" - Arny Kruger Lie No.51281
Andre Jute a écrit :
Andre Jute (1) Last month I was discussing a script with a film director. 5. If people are watching just inflate a little bit more your ego and use it as a screen. -- Nobody seemes to have actaully read what i wrote. But what's new around here? Dave Weil - Sun, 05 Oct 2003 00:57:15 -0500 |
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Sluttishness on Parade
paul packer wrote: On 15 Dec 2005 05:51:44 -0800, "Andre Jute" wrote: 3. They are ineffably stupid, best seen in their self-laceration, of which Lionel several times assualting me after I demonstrated on his skin that I am not a victim, is a good example. Is the misspelling "assualt" to check if we're reading the full text? Now, do I sound like the sort of fellow who would play a sly trick like that? Nah, I blame the French for that slip of the fingers. I was sitting here thinking in French so that the froggie slut could understand me clearly and not mistake kicks to the goolies for a light bitchslapping, then translating back into English so as not to give the false impression that French is still a world language. Think in French for a minute or two and you will see where the spelling error arises. Andre Jute Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/ "an unbelievably comprehensive web site" -- Hi-Fi News & Record Review |
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