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Imaging Help
I have read a lot about how people don't like rear speakers because it ruins imaging and you can tell sound is comming from behind you. I currently have my fader set to front speakers only, and yea, I can tell the sound it infront of me, but it doesn't seem like anything special. Is it possible for the average joe to get that "sweet spot" your hear when you put your head between 2 speakers in a car? If it is not, I can't see the benefit of running front speakers only.... FYI: I have an Alero, with speakers in the door panels, and tweeters in the sail panels. -- jiffy ------------------------------------------------------------------------ jiffy's Profile: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/me...p?userid=33416 View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/sh...d.php?t=213619 CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online! |
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I find that a little rear-fill (this is the term we typically use for
back-speakers) helps raise and center my soundstage. I would try just a little rear-fill and see if it helps. Your car should NOT sound like headphones (the sound coming from all directions), you should have a clearly discernable soundstage in front of you. Some people run their rear-fill in mono (summing the right and left channel). I used to do this with the system I had in a Maxima. I thought it helped give me a more stable center image. The "best" way to go (which I currently do not have) is to have some kind of DSP processing for the rear speakers so the sound is delayed a very small amount. This will mimic the way sound is reflected off the back wall of a room (or concert hall) and can create a very realistic listening environment. But again, a small amount of rear-fill often (but not always) enhances the soundstage. MOSFET "jiffy" wrote in message news:1111060050.b196b7f881a46fb99e8482aac39b87ae@t eranews... I have read a lot about how people don't like rear speakers because it ruins imaging and you can tell sound is comming from behind you. I currently have my fader set to front speakers only, and yea, I can tell the sound it infront of me, but it doesn't seem like anything special. Is it possible for the average joe to get that "sweet spot" your hear when you put your head between 2 speakers in a car? If it is not, I can't see the benefit of running front speakers only.... FYI: I have an Alero, with speakers in the door panels, and tweeters in the sail panels. -- jiffy ------------------------------------------------------------------------ jiffy's Profile: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/me...p?userid=33416 View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/sh...d.php?t=213619 CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online! |
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Turning off the rear speakers doesn't mean your going to have good
imaging. You need kickpanels/speaker placement and/or time correction to help with that. |
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A lot depends on the car too.
If your front speakers sound insufficient alone, then they probably are. Rear fill can help in some instances, but it shouldn't be the difference maker. "jiffy" wrote in message news:1111060050.b196b7f881a46fb99e8482aac39b87ae@t eranews... I have read a lot about how people don't like rear speakers because it ruins imaging and you can tell sound is comming from behind you. I currently have my fader set to front speakers only, and yea, I can tell the sound it infront of me, but it doesn't seem like anything special. Is it possible for the average joe to get that "sweet spot" your hear when you put your head between 2 speakers in a car? If it is not, I can't see the benefit of running front speakers only.... FYI: I have an Alero, with speakers in the door panels, and tweeters in the sail panels. -- jiffy ------------------------------------------------------------------------ jiffy's Profile: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/me...p?userid=33416 View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/sh...d.php?t=213619 CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online! |
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I tried hearing front speaks only. i did not like it. So I installed amp and rear speaker. Man I got the best sound I got. It's like whole music listening and like a new sound to me. The extra bit of push on bass from back is so match my imaging sound. Good thing you mentioned it. I dont' know if I like to install sub cuz I don't like too much bass sound, and in addition, my stereo does like to play with Hip-Hop music. |
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wrote in message oups.com... I tried hearing front speaks only. i did not like it. So I installed amp and rear speaker. Man I got the best sound I got. It's like whole music listening and like a new sound to me. The extra bit of push on bass from back is so match my imaging sound. Good thing you mentioned it. I dont' know if I like to install sub cuz I don't like too much bass sound, and in addition, my stereo does like to play with Hip-Hop music. Wow... For some people a decent sized pair of rear deck speakers will produce sufficient bass. As for rear fill, there is no right or wrong in my eyes. I hate it, others love it, it's a matter of taste. Chad |
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FWIW, I use about 20% power to the rears. Without it just sounds empty.
I also use time correction to help with the poor OEM speaker location. |
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Now I'm worried - I've ONLY got rear fill (my front speakers were blown
when I bought POS car and I haven't yet replaced them). However, I've found in other cars that the music sounds a bit 'empty' without some rear fill. You can definitely mess with the fade to hit the sweet spot. Also, the DSP may delay the rear signal a bit to make the sound seem to be coming from a sound source in front of you (as previously stated, the delay tries to trick your brain into thinking the rear sounds are being reflected off of the back wall) - however, I personally don't even like the way music sounds at concerts and such. Some people (and please, no flames, this is my humblest opinion) prefer a good 2 x Stereo sound surrounding them. I think music sounds best this way (no rear delay) - it is literally an immersive experience. |
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Bob Wrote: Some people (and please, no flames, this is my humblest opinion) prefer a good 2 x Stereo sound surrounding them. I think music sounds best this way (no rear delay) - it is literally an immersive experience. I actually agree with what you said here. I think that "immersive experience" sounds best. That is why people get _surround_sound_. Maybe I just haven't been in a car with good imaging, but Bob's post made me realize I too don't care for concert imaging as much as I do for surround sound. Now, I understand the problem is that all speakers are playing the same thing, and this is where the phasing problem comes in. There has to be some way to use crossovers or something so that you sound like you are in the middle of the music, with your hears hitting that sweet spot. -- jiffy ------------------------------------------------------------------------ jiffy's Profile: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/me...p?userid=33416 View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/sh...d.php?t=213673 CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online! |
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it's kind of difficult to explain but listening to car with great imaging is quite an experience. once you hear one you'll be hooked just like the first time you sat in a car that made it feel like your hair was moving from the bass. you know it's good when you can close your eyes and it sounds like the band is sitting right out beyond your front bumper playing. when your mind is tricked and you can't actually tell where the music is coming from then you will start to experience what imaging truly is. -- wideglide340 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ wideglide340's Profile: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/me...p?userid=32811 View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/sh...d.php?t=213673 CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online! |
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Do you have any tips for this besides kick panels, double back tape,
some extra tweets up high, and more time than I can seem to find? Do you know anything about polarity swapping on the tweets? I heard that some where - but don't want to try it until I realize the benefit. I may try the rear fill trick though. I am trying to get my Jeep Wrangler set up, and I can't quite get the really nice imaging/stage I want. Thanks - Mark wideglide340 wrote: it's kind of difficult to explain but listening to car with great imaging is quite an experience. once you hear one you'll be hooked just like the first time you sat in a car that made it feel like your hair was moving from the bass. you know it's good when you can close your eyes and it sounds like the band is sitting right out beyond your front bumper playing. when your mind is tricked and you can't actually tell where the music is coming from then you will start to experience what imaging truly is. |
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