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FA : Brent Averill Neve 1272 mic preamp-2 ch w/PS
these pres are made from original neve modules not from averill's clone.* the
faceflate says "made from neve 1272 modules" on the front and the screws - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=2545713717 |
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FA : Brent Averill Neve 1272 mic preamp-2 ch w/PS
Geoff,
Would you possibly be inclined to mentioned who the exception is? Inquiring minds would love to know....... Off Hugo (Geoff Tanner) wrote in message . com... (MillerBud) wrote in message ... these pres are made from original neve modules not from averill's clone.* the faceflate says "made from neve 1272 modules" on the front and the screws - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=2545713717 Hi Let me preface this by saying that I'm sure that they are a great pair of 1272's and it's probably a really great deal. When I read the eBay post though, I wondered if I was reading an advertisement for a 1073 because you mentioned that module three times... Same Class A preamp as Neve 1073 equalizer/preamp modules Pad is an integral part of the gain switch same as Neve 1073 The 1073 preamp yields a really fat sound The B283/AV does indeed live in both the 1272 and the 1073, but the big difference is that the 1073 also has a 3 pole sensitivity switch and a B284 pre amp. The 1272 was never used as a mic pre by Neve except as a talkback amplifier and, even then, it was wired with the gain equally distributed between the two amplifiers. The comments apply to most 1272 adaptations and, with possibly one exception, they are all wired incorrectly and not how Neve would have wired them (the equal gain splitting) had they decided to use the module as a mic pre. Most of these 1272 mods owe their heritage to a misguided web page that purported to be the way a 1272 should be wired.... it was a long way from reality. If Neve had designed a 1272 mic pre (instead of the 1290) they would have used a three pole switch. The first pole controlling an input attenuator, the second pole the front amp gain boost, and the third pole the second amp gain boost. In reality, the 1272 conversions mostly use a 2 pole switch with the first pole as the input attenuator and the second pole controlling the first amp's gain. The second amp nurdles along at a relatively low gain whilst all the gain boost is applied to the first amp. In order to get 70dB of gain (forget trying to achieve the 1073's 80dB gain!) the front amplifier uses a gain boost resistor in the region of 8 or 9 ohms. The coupling capacitor in series with this resistor was never intended for so low a value and the low frequency response plummets at high gains... on top of the issue of running the first stage at very near open loop gain. There is nothing 1073 about how this gain control works and if you put a 1272 alongside a 1073 at 70dB gain you would hear a hell of a lot of difference in the sound, similar components or not. The reason for this is that it may be a Neve module, but it's an OEM/retro builder design... not a Neve design. In reality, up to around 40dB gain, the 1272 will sound like a 1073. But from that point onwards they go separate ways with the 1073 switching in a B284 and boosting the gain on the 283 by 5 and then 10dB. A 1272 makes a passable mic pre, even though it was only designed as a line amplifier for mix bus amplification... working typically at 40dB gain. A 1272 can never be a 1073... which brings me back to your references at the start of this post. Geoff Tanner Phoenix Audio International LLC Aurora Audio International www.auroraaudio.net |
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FA : Brent Averill Neve 1272 mic preamp-2 ch w/PS
Geoff Tanner wrote:
There is nothing 1073 about how this gain control works and if you put a 1272 alongside a 1073 at 70dB gain you would hear a hell of a lot of difference in the sound, similar components or not. Yes, we've all beaten this point to death with a stick... and while it's one thing to beat a dead horse, it's another thing to try and put a saddle on the mother****er... so, from the "user" perspective... when was the last time someone actually needed 70db of gain on a microphone? If you look around, modern microphone manufacturers [like Neumann] have been releasing designs that are half pushing 'horsepower' at the output... some to the point of requiring no gain at all, never mind 70db of gain. A little perspective Geoff... the brother was offering some used modules for sale... not trying to start a company, nor was he misrepresenting the things... he's just trying to flip some hardware he no longer needs. WTF? -- Fletcher Mercenary Audio TEL: 508-543-0069 FAX: 508-543-9670 http://www.mercenary.com "this is not a problem" |
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FA : Brent Averill Neve 1272 mic preamp-2 ch w/PS
Hi Fletcher
You're absolutely right... and perish the thought that I would ever post a true comment that would jeopardise the sale of a Neve product ) (BTW I believe that 8066 has a buyer now!) It was the three mentions of 1073, your honour, t'was more than I could take... Shuffles away from the witness stand.... ) Geoff "Fletcher" wrote in message ... Geoff Tanner wrote: There is nothing 1073 about how this gain control works and if you put a 1272 alongside a 1073 at 70dB gain you would hear a hell of a lot of difference in the sound, similar components or not. Yes, we've all beaten this point to death with a stick... and while it's one thing to beat a dead horse, it's another thing to try and put a saddle on the mother****er... so, from the "user" perspective... when was the last time someone actually needed 70db of gain on a microphone? If you look around, modern microphone manufacturers [like Neumann] have been releasing designs that are half pushing 'horsepower' at the output... some to the point of requiring no gain at all, never mind 70db of gain. A little perspective Geoff... the brother was offering some used modules for sale... not trying to start a company, nor was he misrepresenting the things... he's just trying to flip some hardware he no longer needs. WTF? -- Fletcher Mercenary Audio TEL: 508-543-0069 FAX: 508-543-9670 http://www.mercenary.com "this is not a problem" |
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FA : Brent Averill Neve 1272 mic preamp-2 ch w/PS
"Off Hugo" wrote in message om... Geoff, Would you possibly be inclined to mentioned who the exception is? Inquiring minds would love to know....... Off Hugo Hi Well, I've not physically seem or played with one but that kit, whose name escapes me though I'm sure someone will post to remind me, does adhere to the concept of the original 1272 gain structure. The nutty thing, in my humble opinion, is that the diagrams of Neve consoles were pretty well available... with most Neve console owners having one and the scores of photocopies... that none of the Neve modders bothered to look at how Neve did it. It's not like it was a big secret and I may have mentioned it one or two times! ) Geoff Tanner Phoenix Audio International LLC Aurora Audio International www.auroraaudio.net |
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FA : Brent Averill Neve 1272 mic preamp-2 ch w/PS
"Joey" wrote in message m... Chandler makes a mic/line pre eq that by all rights is is a 1073. It looks like a 1073 and all the boards and parts inside are identical to a 1073 except they are all new. And best of all it sounds just like a 1073. Good for him.... I could make an acerbic comment but my opinions on that topic are not for airing here. ) Geoff |
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FA : Brent Averill Neve 1272 mic preamp-2 ch w/PS
Hey Geoff,
Sorry if my ebay post bothered you,but if you look a little closer you will see "here is the description from Brent Averill's site : " I just copied and pasted from Brent Averill's site. He made 'em. I haven't had time to list this stuff for the last year.... let alone think of something to say. Buddy Miller |
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FA : Brent Averill Neve 1272 mic preamp-2 ch w/PS
Buddy Miller? I was wondering if that was you. I can't buy your mic pre but
I'm gonna go buy all your records! I just watched that Spyboy video (having recently been knocked out by the Letterman appearance) and you are now on my favorite guitar players list. What's that AC-30 you're using? It's so clean it looks like a reissue but my reissue (though it sounds good) is so cheaply made and unreliable I seldom bother to use it as more than a 2XBlue speaker cab in the studio let alone dragging it out on the road. Is it maybe the fancy hand-wired deal? Don "MillerBud" wrote in message ... Hey Geoff, Sorry if my ebay post bothered you,but if you look a little closer you will see "here is the description from Brent Averill's site : " I just copied and pasted from Brent Averill's site. He made 'em. I haven't had time to list this stuff for the last year.... let alone think of something to say. Buddy Miller |
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Buddy Miller? I was wondering if that was you. I can't buy your mic pre but
I'm gonna go buy all your records! I just watched that Spyboy video (having recently been knocked out by the Letterman appearance) and you are now on my favorite guitar players list. What's that AC-30 you're using? It's so clean it looks like a reissue but my reissue (though it sounds good) is so cheaply made and unreliable I seldom bother to use it as more than a 2XBlue speaker cab in the studio let alone dragging it out on the road. Is it maybe the fancy hand-wired deal? Don "MillerBud" wrote in message ... Hey Geoff, Sorry if my ebay post bothered you,but if you look a little closer you will see "here is the description from Brent Averill's site : " I just copied and pasted from Brent Averill's site. He made 'em. I haven't had time to list this stuff for the last year.... let alone think of something to say. Buddy Miller |
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FA : Brent Averill Neve 1272 mic preamp-2 ch w/PS
"Fletcher" wrote:
Yes, we've all beaten this point to death with a stick... Hey, don't discourage Geoff. I know you feel like you've heard the song so many times you're gonna go wiggy, but don't shoot the artist -- just change the channel. Two reasons: One: bull****, misinformation and misunderstanding multiply much faster than correction. There are new idiots getting it wrong every day, and even though YOU have read the truth from Geoff more than once, many others haven't yet. They need lots of chances to see it 'cause they're a little slower than the rest of the class. Two: Geoff's so full of fun little details that I'd hate for him to ever hesitate for even one second before he posted something here, out of concern that he might get blasted for it. I'd rather read the same info a hundred times than have him hesitate and accidentally withhold a little gem sometime. Besides, it's not like we've had this discussion all THAT often. It just seems like it to you because you've been here a while. -- "I got into audio because I like pushing buttons... ...never figured on all this freakin' wire!" - Lorin David Schultz |
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FA : Brent Averill Neve 1272 mic preamp-2 ch w/PS
Geoff Tanner wrote:
Well, I've not physically seem or played with one but that kit, whose name escapes me though I'm sure someone will post to remind me, does adhere to the concept of the original 1272 gain structure. The nutty thing, in my humble opinion, is that the diagrams of Neve consoles were pretty well available... with most Neve console owners having one and the scores of photocopies... that none of the Neve modders bothered to look at how Neve did it. You're talking about the Seventh Circle Studios "N72" kit. I bought a couple boards from them at cost with the promise I'd post a review here when they were done and I never did. I finally finished putting the kits together, after a little trouble with some minor errors in the board, parts designations, and instructions that have since been ironed out; and it took me a long time to get the modules into a usable chassis due to some irregularities with off-the-shelf chasses that aren't Tim's fault but could be planned for; and now that they're done I find myself doing more equipment building than actual recording so other than "they work fine" I don't have much opinion of them. But I do recommend the N72 kit for competent solderers and DIY enthusiasts who want a very reasonable facsimile of "that" circuit. ulysses |
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