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Moving to Canada?
Unhappy Democrats Must Wait to Get Into Canada Wed Nov 3, 2004 02:41 PM ET By David Ljunggren OTTAWA (Reuters) - Disgruntled Democrats seeking a safe Canadian haven after President Bush won Tuesday's election should not pack their bags just yet. Canadian officials made clear on Wednesday that any U.S. citizens so fed up with Bush that they want to make a fresh start up north would have to stand in line like any other would-be immigrants -- a wait that can take up to a year. "Let me tell you -- if they're hard-working honest people, there's a process, and let them apply," Immigration Minister Judy Sgro told Reuters. Asked whether American applicants would get special treatment, she replied: "No, they'll join the crowd like all the other people who want to come to Canada." There are anywhere from 600,000 to a million Americans living in Canada, which leans more to the left than the United States and has traditionally favored the Democrats over the Republicans. But statistics show a gradual decline in U.S. citizens coming to work and live in Canada, which has an ailing health care system and relatively high levels of personal taxation. Government officials, real estate brokers and Democrat activists said that while some Americans might talk about moving to Canada rather than living with a new Bush administration, they did not expect a mass influx. "It's one thing to say 'I'm leaving for Canada' and quite another to actually find a job here and wonder about where you're going to live and where the children are going to go to school," said one official. Roger King of the Toronto-based Democrats Abroad group said he had heard nothing about a possible exodus of party members. "I imagine most committed Democrats will want to stay in the United States and continue being politically active there," he said. Americans seeking to immigrate can apply to become permanent citizens of Canada, a process that often takes a year. Becoming a full citizen takes a further three years. **" http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...ryID=670485 3 Will Miho NY Music & TV Audio Guy Audioist 4 Fox News "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits |
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WillStG wrote: D-U-M-B-A-S-S O-R-I-G-I-N-A-L O-F-F-T-O-P-I-C P-O-S-T-E-R . . . And: Unhappy Democrats Must Wait to Get Into Canada Wed Nov 3, 2004 02:41 PM ET By David Ljunggren OTTAWA (Reuters) - Disgruntled Democrats seeking a safe Canadian haven after President Bush won Tuesday's election should not pack their bags just yet. Canadian officials made clear on Wednesday that any U.S. citizens so fed up with Bush that they want to make a fresh start up north would have to stand in line like any other would-be immigrants -- a wait that can take up to a year. "Let me tell you -- if they're hard-working honest people, there's a process, and let them apply," Immigration Minister Judy Sgro told Reuters. Asked whether American applicants would get special treatment, she replied: "No, they'll join the crowd like all the other people who want to come to Canada." There are anywhere from 600,000 to a million Americans living in Canada, which leans more to the left than the United States and has traditionally favored the Democrats over the Republicans. But statistics show a gradual decline in U.S. citizens coming to work and live in Canada, which has an ailing health care system and relatively high levels of personal taxation. Government officials, real estate brokers and Democrat activists said that while some Americans might talk about moving to Canada rather than living with a new Bush administration, they did not expect a mass influx. "It's one thing to say 'I'm leaving for Canada' and quite another to actually find a job here and wonder about where you're going to live and where the children are going to go to school," said one official. Roger King of the Toronto-based Democrats Abroad group said he had heard nothing about a possible exodus of party members. "I imagine most committed Democrats will want to stay in the United States and continue being politically active there," he said. Americans seeking to immigrate can apply to become permanent citizens of Canada, a process that often takes a year. Becoming a full citizen takes a further three years. " http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...ryID=670485 3 Will Miho NY Music & TV Audio Guy Audioist 4 Fox News "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits |
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"WillStG" wrote in message
There are anywhere from 600,000 to a million Americans living in Canada, which leans more to the left than the United States and has traditionally favored the Democrats over the Republicans. Yeah, the Canadians have leaned left, right into nationalized medical care economic hell. But statistics show a gradual decline in U.S. citizens coming to work and live in Canada, which has an ailing health care system and relatively high levels of personal taxation. People who live in border cities like Detroit probably have more real world experience with life in Canada than anybody else but actual Canadians. There are so many Canadians and ex-Canadians in the Detroit area that most Detroiters have a little or a lot of a Canaidan accent, eh? A high percentage of the people who live in border cities like Detroit either still are Canadians or were Canadians earlier in their lives. Many of my co-workers have been folks who come over the border every day to work here. If you stand at the exit to the tunnel or the bridge any wekk day morning, the passenger car traffic has a distinct US-bound direction to it. At times some people in the US would drive to Canada to buy gas or luxury items. Not so much today. Not for the gas at all. My wife's great-grandparents immigrated to the US from Canada, and my daughter-in-law's grandparents were also Canadian immigrants. Michigan's current governor was born in Canada. Pundits have noted that she can't be the US's first female president. A big chunk of post WW2 european immigrants came to Canada first, and then immigrated to the US. A lot of recent immigrants from the Pacific rim followed a similar path. In their minds, Caanda was a nice place to stay until they could finish the job of immigration to the US. We love Canada and Canadians, but we live in the US! What's to say about Canada except that it's a great place to visit, vacation, and perhaps even live for a while, but in a great many people's minds (namely all those tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands Canadian immigrants who are now US citizens), it lacks the standard of living of the US. Being a lover of the out-of-doors I vacation in Canada just about every chance I get. Great place to visit but... |
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What's to say about Canada except that it's a great place to visit,
vacation, and perhaps even live for a while, but in a great many people's minds (namely all those tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands Canadian immigrants who are now US citizens), it lacks the standard of living of the US. I think it has more to with warm air in the winter than a lower standard of living |
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"Don Nafe" wrote in message
What's to say about Canada except that it's a great place to visit, vacation, and perhaps even live for a while, but in a great many people's minds (namely all those tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands Canadian immigrants who are now US citizens), it lacks the standard of living of the US. I think it has more to with warm air in the winter than a lower standard of living There is virtually no difference between the weather in Windsor, Ontario and the rest of the Detroit area. In fact, the weather is a tad milder in Ontario's "Sun Kitchen" than in most of Michigan. They even grow tobacco in Ontario a bit east of Windsor. This does not seem to hinder immigration from Ontario into Michigan, not one one little bit. |
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Depends, of course, on how you package those particular factors that
make up "standard of living". Every Canadian citizen has free basic health insurance. It is very difficult to find a "slum" in any major city. Crime rate is considerably lower. Our "social security" (Canada Pension Plan) is absolutely sound (they fixed it a few years ago, adjusted some rates, and presto: fixed. Something the U.S. should have also done 10 years ago but didn't). Infant mortality, life expectancy, education, all rank higher than U.S. Average income is slightly less. The Canadian economy has been doing very well for about 15 years running now, under a Liberal government (generally to the left of the Democrats). Shocking fact: Canada does not run a deficit. The last few years have seen substantial government surpluses. Yes, even with a national health care plan. We don't spend very much on defense. No wonder we're constantly being attacked by... well... those Swiss look scary sometimes... In most provinces now, gay marriage is permitted. Ever see "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"? It's like that. Just yesterday, four more co-workers turned gay. My boss, my mother. Cop cars are now pink... Like everyone else, we could do better in some areas, but if you ask most sensible people here they'll tell you it's a great place to live. Don Nafe wrote: What's to say about Canada except that it's a great place to visit, vacation, and perhaps even live for a while, but in a great many people's minds (namely all those tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands Canadian immigrants who are now US citizens), it lacks the standard of living of the US. I think it has more to with warm air in the winter than a lower standard of living |
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Captain,
I am real comfortable in beer-soaked flannel, but do I have to eat all those sissy riche sauces n' stuff? More ME in the mix! |
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"Bill Van Dyk" wrote in message ... We don't spend very much on defense. No wonder we're constantly being attacked by... well... those Swiss look scary sometimes... There are a lot of Western countries with lower defense budgets, a benefit due in good part to having a very powerful neighbor/ally who does spend a lot in defense. If you have a big brother, you don't need to know how to fight that well. Glenn D. |
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Besides, here in Windsor, we're south of Detroit anyway.
And the beer's better too... Even if the Casino is not. There is virtually no difference between the weather in Windsor, Ontario and the rest of the Detroit area. In fact, the weather is a tad milder in Ontario's "Sun Kitchen" than in most of Michigan. They even grow tobacco in Ontario a bit east of Windsor. This does not seem to hinder immigration from Ontario into Michigan, not one one little bit. |
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"Larry Pohjola" wrote in message
Besides, here in Windsor, we're south of Detroit anyway. Well you're south of my part of Detroit, but not all of it. And the beer's better too... That's a matter of opinion. Even if the Casino is not. I have no personal experience to go on. There is virtually no difference between the weather in Windsor, Ontario and the rest of the Detroit area. In fact, the weather is a tad milder in Ontario's "Sun Kitchen" than in most of Michigan. They even grow tobacco in Ontario a bit east of Windsor. This does not seem to hinder immigration from Ontario into Michigan, not one one little bit. |
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Arny, you live in the Detroit area?
Arny Krueger wrote: "Larry Pohjola" wrote in message Besides, here in Windsor, we're south of Detroit anyway. Well you're south of my part of Detroit, but not all of it. .... |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
Yeah, the Canadians have leaned left, right into nationalized medical care economic hell. Tell me about it! What with Americans buying up our medications and flu vaccines, it is getting harder and harder to get health care here. Rob R. |
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-- Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot. "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "WillStG" wrote in message There are anywhere from 600,000 to a million Americans living in Canada, which leans more to the left than the United States and has traditionally favored the Democrats over the Republicans. Yeah, the Canadians have leaned left, right into nationalized medical care economic hell. As opposed to the US, where I pay $900 a month for health insurance, with high copayments, and high deductibles. And our economy? Its in great shape, lemme tell you! Well, until the bill that Bush is busy running up comes due. snip What's to say about Canada except that it's a great place to visit, vacation, and perhaps even live for a while, but in a great many people's minds (namely all those tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands Canadian immigrants who are now US citizens), it lacks the standard of living of the US. Take heart, we too will soon lack our standard of living. |
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-- Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot. "Glenn Dowdy" wrote in message ... "Bill Van Dyk" wrote in message ... We don't spend very much on defense. No wonder we're constantly being attacked by... well... those Swiss look scary sometimes... There are a lot of Western countries with lower defense budgets, a benefit due in good part to having a very powerful neighbor/ally who does spend a lot in defense. If you have a big brother, you don't need to know how to fight that well. Glenn D. Just who the hell do you suppose we're defending Canada against? |
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"Roger Christie" wrote in message ... -- Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot. "Glenn Dowdy" wrote in message ... "Bill Van Dyk" wrote in message ... We don't spend very much on defense. No wonder we're constantly being attacked by... well... those Swiss look scary sometimes... There are a lot of Western countries with lower defense budgets, a benefit due in good part to having a very powerful neighbor/ally who does spend a lot in defense. If you have a big brother, you don't need to know how to fight that well. Just who the hell do you suppose we're defending Canada against? Beats me. But if the US had a tiny armed force, would Canada's (and NATO, etc.) maintain their present level of military forces? Glenn D. |
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Uh.... probably. We haven't really ****ed anyone off. Well, not true, we're
not just pushovers that don't stand up for ourselves, but we're not bullies either. The only nation that I'm afraid of attack from is the US. If we weren't so willing to continue trade with the US, I'm sure we would be found to "harbor terrorists and WMD's" and then..... we'd have the United States of North America. m. -- mikerekka at hotmail dot com hates spam Beats me. But if the US had a tiny armed force, would Canada's (and NATO, etc.) maintain their present level of military forces? Glenn D. |
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"Greg Taylor" wrote in message
news Arny, you live in the Detroit area? True. I'll probably be at the next SMWTMS (Detroit area audio club) meeting which I think is this weekend. For information on the club, visit the SMWTMS Web Site at: http://provide.net/~djcarlst/smwtms.htm |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ...
"WillStG" wrote in message There are anywhere from 600,000 to a million Americans living in Canada, which leans more to the left than the United States and has traditionally favored the Democrats over the Republicans. What's to say about Canada except that it's a great place to visit, vacation, and perhaps even live for a while, but in a great many people's minds (namely all those tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands Canadian immigrants who are now US citizens), it lacks the standard of living of the US. I don't know where you got this misconception Canada has consistantly had a higher standard of Living than the United States, since at least the 1960s. The United States has a lower infant mortality rate than Cuba, it also has a lower literacy rate than Cuba. The American health care system, ( ah ? ) is on par with Brasil. But America does blow more people up than any other country. |
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"Glenn Dowdy" wrote in message ...
"Bill Van Dyk" wrote in message ... We don't spend very much on defense. No wonder we're constantly being attacked by... well... those Swiss look scary sometimes... There are a lot of Western countries with lower defense budgets, a benefit due in good part to having a very powerful neighbor/ally who does spend a lot in defense. If you have a big brother, you don't need to know how to fight that well. Glenn D. If you don't get into fights you know all there is to know about fighting. It's called evolution. That the US millitary uses 60% of the fuel consumed by America, and takes up how much of your GNP, is a testament to misplaced resources. |
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"it lacks the standard of living of the US."
Being a Canadian who lives 30 minutes from the boarderon the west coast I can say Canada lacks the standard of living the USA has.......We lack GUNS......we lack.....AMERICAN GREED......we lack.....AMERICAN BIGGOTRY.....we lack.....GEORGE BUSH.....we lack .......WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION......we lack .........EVERTHING AMERICAN......WE ARE CANADIAN AND WE DON'T LACK ANYTHING BUT THE AMERCAN ATTITUDE. Arny Krueger wrote in message ... "WillStG" wrote in message There are anywhere from 600,000 to a million Americans living in Canada, which leans more to the left than the United States and has traditionally favored the Democrats over the Republicans. Yeah, the Canadians have leaned left, right into nationalized medical care economic hell. But statistics show a gradual decline in U.S. citizens coming to work and live in Canada, which has an ailing health care system and relatively high levels of personal taxation. People who live in border cities like Detroit probably have more real world experience with life in Canada than anybody else but actual Canadians. There are so many Canadians and ex-Canadians in the Detroit area that most Detroiters have a little or a lot of a Canaidan accent, eh? A high percentage of the people who live in border cities like Detroit either still are Canadians or were Canadians earlier in their lives. Many of my co-workers have been folks who come over the border every day to work here. If you stand at the exit to the tunnel or the bridge any wekk day morning, the passenger car traffic has a distinct US-bound direction to it. At times some people in the US would drive to Canada to buy gas or luxury items. Not so much today. Not for the gas at all. My wife's great-grandparents immigrated to the US from Canada, and my daughter-in-law's grandparents were also Canadian immigrants. Michigan's current governor was born in Canada. Pundits have noted that she can't be the US's first female president. A big chunk of post WW2 european immigrants came to Canada first, and then immigrated to the US. A lot of recent immigrants from the Pacific rim followed a similar path. In their minds, Caanda was a nice place to stay until they could finish the job of immigration to the US. We love Canada and Canadians, but we live in the US! What's to say about Canada except that it's a great place to visit, vacation, and perhaps even live for a while, but in a great many people's minds (namely all those tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands Canadian immigrants who are now US citizens), it lacks the standard of living of the US. Being a lover of the out-of-doors I vacation in Canada just about every chance I get. Great place to visit but... |
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Nmm wrote: Don't wait for the draft, rental prices in Toronto are still low right now. How low? Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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Glenn Dowdy wrote: Beats me. But if the US had a tiny armed force, would Canada's (and NATO, etc.) maintain their present level of military forces? If the US had a tiny armed force most of the rest of the world wouldn't feel the need for much of one either. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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I never said we lacked nothing .....I will take the "FRENCH" attitude any
day over the "EVERYONE SHOULD LIVE LIKE US BECAUSE WE ARE THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD ......GOD BLESS AMERICA ATTITUDE" Why is it terrorists chose to fly into American buildings?....not Canadian buildings?.It's a shame so many innocent people had to die at the expense of your goverment.After all they were the ones that got Sadam in power and funded Osama's wars (among many others). Your leader is a lier and now has another 4 years of lies to tell.Hope you enjoy them. Sleep well.....I know I will. WillStG wrote in message ... "Troy" Being a Canadian who lives 30 minutes from the boarderon the west coast I can say Canada lacks the standard of living the USA has.......We lack GUNS......we lack.....AMERICAN GREED......we lack.....AMERICAN BIGGOTRY.....we lack.....GEORGE BUSH.....we lack ......WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION......we lack ........EVERTHING AMERICAN......WE ARE CANADIAN AND WE DON'T LACK ANYTHING BUT THE AMERCAN ATTITUDE. Yes, yes, Troy, you are a proud Canuck, you have it all, lacking in nothing and obviously you have no need of an "American attitude".... As evidently, you prefer a *French* attitude... g Will Miho NY Music & TV Audio Guy Audioist 4 Fox News "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits |
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The last line was suppost to read
I AM CANADIAN !!!!!!! WillStG wrote in message ... "Troy" Being a Canadian who lives 30 minutes from the boarderon the west coast I can say Canada lacks the standard of living the USA has.......We lack GUNS......we lack.....AMERICAN GREED......we lack.....AMERICAN BIGGOTRY.....we lack.....GEORGE BUSH.....we lack ......WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION......we lack ........EVERTHING AMERICAN......WE ARE CANADIAN AND WE DON'T LACK ANYTHING BUT THE AMERCAN ATTITUDE. Yes, yes, Troy, you are a proud Canuck, you have it all, lacking in nothing and obviously you have no need of an "American attitude".... As evidently, you prefer a *French* attitude... g Will Miho NY Music & TV Audio Guy Audioist 4 Fox News "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits |
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"it lacks the standard of living of the US."
Being a Canadian who lives 30 minutes from the boarderon the west coast I can say Canada lacks the standard of living the USA has.......We lack GUNS......we lack.....AMERICAN GREED......we lack.....AMERICAN BIGGOTRY.....we lack.....GEORGE BUSH.....we lack .......WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION......we lack .........EVERTHING AMERICAN......WE ARE CANADIAN AND WE DON'T LACK ANYTHING BUT THE AMERCAN ATTITUDE. I AM CANADIAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-) WillStG wrote in message ... "Troy" Being a Canadian who lives 30 minutes from the boarderon the west coast I can say Canada lacks the standard of living the USA has.......We lack GUNS......we lack.....AMERICAN GREED......we lack.....AMERICAN BIGGOTRY.....we lack.....GEORGE BUSH.....we lack ......WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION......we lack ........EVERTHING AMERICAN......WE ARE CANADIAN AND WE DON'T LACK ANYTHING BUT THE AMERCAN ATTITUDE. Yes, yes, Troy, you are a proud Canuck, you have it all, lacking in nothing and obviously you have no need of an "American attitude".... As evidently, you prefer a *French* attitude... g Will Miho NY Music & TV Audio Guy Audioist 4 Fox News "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits |
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Dear Unhappy Democrats:
I am an American who resides legally in Canada. However, I am planning to retire to the United States ASAP. I'd be delighted to trade or sell my beautiful home in Prince Edward Island, furnished or unfurnished, to a fellow American . . . I'm hoping to find a home in eastern Oregon or in New Mexico. Cheers . . . |
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Dear Unhappy Democrats:
I am an American who resides legally in Canada. However, I am planning to retire to the United States ASAP. I'd be delighted to trade or sell my beautiful home in Prince Edward Island, furnished or unfurnished, to a fellow American . . . I'm hoping to find a home in eastern Oregon or in New Mexico. Cheers . . . |
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Bill Van Dyk wrote in message ...
Depends, of course, on how you package those particular factors that make up "standard of living". Every Canadian citizen has free basic health insurance. It is very difficult to find a "slum" in any major city. Crime rate is considerably lower. Our "social security" (Canada Pension Plan) is absolutely sound (they fixed it a few years ago, adjusted some rates, and presto: fixed. Something the U.S. should have also done 10 years ago but didn't). Infant mortality, life expectancy, education, all rank higher than U.S. Average income is slightly less. The Canadian economy has been doing very well for about 15 years running now, under a Liberal government (generally to the left of the Democrats). Shocking fact: Canada does not run a deficit. The last few years have seen substantial government surpluses. Yes, even with a national health care plan. universal health care (and still less than what the US spends per capita), fiscally sound social security, no deficits, all under a liberal government... it's like a dream. We don't spend very much on defense. No wonder we're constantly being attacked by... well... those Swiss look scary sometimes... In most provinces now, gay marriage is permitted. Ever see "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"? It's like that. Just yesterday, four more co-workers turned gay. My boss, my mother. Cop cars are now pink... lol. Like everyone else, we could do better in some areas, but if you ask most sensible people here they'll tell you it's a great place to live. Don Nafe wrote: What's to say about Canada except that it's a great place to visit, vacation, and perhaps even live for a while, but in a great many people's minds (namely all those tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands Canadian immigrants who are now US citizens), it lacks the standard of living of the US. I think it has more to with warm air in the winter than a lower standard of living |
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Hey! Everybody was right! Will, you ARE an asshole! See, all this time I was
being "Canadian" and taking the name calling lighter than it was, giving it up to just boys being boys. But... wow. I understand now why GWB got another round. It would take the man himself to prove that he was a psycho, low-brow, ignorant, bully who was about as qualified to run the US as I am. I'm glad he didn't show that side....of.... Oh wait, never mind. Enjoy the next four. -- mikerekka at hotmail dot com hates spam "WillStG" wrote in message ... "Troy" Being a Canadian who lives 30 minutes from the boarderon the west coast I can say Canada lacks the standard of living the USA has.......We lack GUNS......we lack.....AMERICAN GREED......we lack.....AMERICAN BIGGOTRY.....we lack.....GEORGE BUSH.....we lack ......WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION......we lack ........EVERTHING AMERICAN......WE ARE CANADIAN AND WE DON'T LACK ANYTHING BUT THE AMERCAN ATTITUDE. Yes, yes, Troy, you are a proud Canuck, you have it all, lacking in nothing and obviously you have no need of an "American attitude".... As evidently, you prefer a *French* attitude... g Will Miho NY Music & TV Audio Guy Audioist 4 Fox News "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits |
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"geek" wrote in message news:L6Cid.119197$%k.88049@pd7tw2no... Hey! Everybody was right! Will, you ARE an asshole! See, all this time I was being "Canadian" and taking the name calling lighter than it was, giving it up to just boys being boys. But... wow. I understand now why GWB got another round. It would take the man himself to prove that he was a psycho, low-brow, ignorant, bully who was about as qualified to run the US as I am. I'm glad he didn't show that side....of.... Oh wait, never mind. Enjoy the next four. Thanks. Oh and plonk too. |
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Richard Crowley wrote: Thanks. Oh and plonk too. You sure showed him. |
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"WillStG" wrote in message ... But statistics show a gradual decline in U.S. citizens coming to work and live in Canada, which has an ailing health care system and relatively high levels of personal taxation. Actually, Canada's health care is really good, it's free, you have a choice of doctors, and it costs less per capita than does American health care (for those that have it.) The taxes are quite a bit higher. jb |
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"Bill Van Dyk" wrote in message ... Depends, of course, on how you package those particular factors that make up "standard of living". Every Canadian citizen has free basic health insurance. It is very difficult to find a "slum" in any major city. Crime rate is considerably lower. Our "social security" (Canada Pension Plan) is absolutely sound (they fixed it a few years ago, adjusted some rates, and presto: fixed. Something the U.S. should have also done 10 years ago but didn't). Infant mortality, life expectancy, education, all rank higher than U.S. Average income is slightly less. And don't forget that you have a trade surplus as well, something like 5 to 3 ratio of exports to imports. jb The Canadian economy has been doing very well for about 15 years running now, under a Liberal government (generally to the left of the Democrats). Shocking fact: Canada does not run a deficit. The last few years have seen substantial government surpluses. Yes, even with a national health care plan. We don't spend very much on defense. No wonder we're constantly being attacked by... well... those Swiss look scary sometimes... In most provinces now, gay marriage is permitted. Ever see "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"? It's like that. Just yesterday, four more co-workers turned gay. My boss, my mother. Cop cars are now pink... Like everyone else, we could do better in some areas, but if you ask most sensible people here they'll tell you it's a great place to live. Don Nafe wrote: What's to say about Canada except that it's a great place to visit, vacation, and perhaps even live for a while, but in a great many people's minds (namely all those tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands Canadian immigrants who are now US citizens), it lacks the standard of living of the US. I think it has more to with warm air in the winter than a lower standard of living |
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Bill Van Dyk wrote:
Our "social security" (Canada Pension Plan) is absolutely sound (they fixed it a few years ago, adjusted some rates, and presto: fixed. Something the U.S. should have also done 10 years ago but didn't). Try 20 years ago. It's not like nobody saw it coming. We don't spend very much on defense. No wonder we're constantly being attacked by... well... those Swiss look scary sometimes... Yeah, they have a bunch of blades on their Army knives. In most provinces now, gay marriage is permitted. Ever see "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"? It's like that. Just yesterday, four more co-workers turned gay. My boss, my mother. Cop cars are now pink... In Davidson county, NC, the walls in the jail are painted pink. I always suspected Sherrif Hege was "different". |
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Pete Dimsman wrote:
Richard Crowley wrote: Thanks. Oh and plonk too. You sure showed him. We all live in fear of the Killfile ROTFLAMFFAO G |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Don Nafe" wrote in message What's to say about Canada except that it's a great place to visit, vacation, and perhaps even live for a while, but in a great many people's minds (namely all those tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands Canadian immigrants who are now US citizens), it lacks the standard of living of the US. I think it has more to with warm air in the winter than a lower standard of living There is virtually no difference between the weather in Windsor, Ontario and the rest of the Detroit area. In fact, the weather is a tad milder in Ontario's "Sun Kitchen" than in most of Michigan. They even grow tobacco in Ontario a bit east of Windsor. This does not seem to hinder immigration from Ontario into Michigan, not one one little bit. Actually I think the number of Canadians migrating to Michigan is a drop in the bucket compared to the number of snowbirds who head south for the winter....warmth, I need warmth! Don |
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"Nmm" wrote in message
m "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "WillStG" wrote in message What's to say about Canada except that it's a great place to visit, vacation, and perhaps even live for a while, but in a great many people's minds (namely all those tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands Canadian immigrants who are now US citizens), it lacks the standard of living of the US. I don't know where you got this misconception Canada has consistantly had a higher standard of Living than the United States, since at least the 1960s. I get it from all of the Canadians who move to to the US to get a higher standard of living. The United States has a lower infant mortality rate than Cuba, it also has a lower literacy rate than Cuba. Then why don't you move to Cuba? Fool that I am, I'm staying in the US. The American health care system, ( ah ? ) is on par with Brazil. Tell that to all the Brazilians who move here to find a higher standard of living. But America does blow more people up than any other country. Please stay in Canada where you are. |
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Thank God for Molsen!!
"reddred" wrote in message ... "Bill Van Dyk" wrote in message ... Depends, of course, on how you package those particular factors that make up "standard of living". Every Canadian citizen has free basic health insurance. It is very difficult to find a "slum" in any major city. Crime rate is considerably lower. Our "social security" (Canada Pension Plan) is absolutely sound (they fixed it a few years ago, adjusted some rates, and presto: fixed. Something the U.S. should have also done 10 years ago but didn't). Infant mortality, life expectancy, education, all rank higher than U.S. Average income is slightly less. And don't forget that you have a trade surplus as well, something like 5 to 3 ratio of exports to imports. jb The Canadian economy has been doing very well for about 15 years running now, under a Liberal government (generally to the left of the Democrats). Shocking fact: Canada does not run a deficit. The last few years have seen substantial government surpluses. Yes, even with a national health care plan. We don't spend very much on defense. No wonder we're constantly being attacked by... well... those Swiss look scary sometimes... In most provinces now, gay marriage is permitted. Ever see "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"? It's like that. Just yesterday, four more co-workers turned gay. My boss, my mother. Cop cars are now pink... Like everyone else, we could do better in some areas, but if you ask most sensible people here they'll tell you it's a great place to live. Don Nafe wrote: What's to say about Canada except that it's a great place to visit, vacation, and perhaps even live for a while, but in a great many people's minds (namely all those tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands Canadian immigrants who are now US citizens), it lacks the standard of living of the US. I think it has more to with warm air in the winter than a lower standard of living |
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Bob Cain wrote:
Nmm wrote: Don't wait for the draft, rental prices in Toronto are still low right now. How low? They are a bit lower because a whole bunch of renters bought condos in the last 3 years, increasing the vacancy rate to what is currently about 4% which is huge for Toronto. For most of the last 10 years the vacancy rate sat around 1% or so. So I don't know what you call low. I think at the low end you will find a basement bachelor (no separate bedroom) in the range of $600 which is about $480 USD, in the downtown area. If you want something nicer like a decent one-bedroom you can expect to pay about $800 ($640 USD) and up. Most of the decline in rent costs has taken place in the high-end dwellings since the people who vacated them were more likely to buy a home than people living in cheap apartments. This all happened because of the super low mortgage rates. It did cause the housing/condo market to go super-hot and as a result property values shot up in Toronto. So, compared to NYC, these are dirt cheap. But I expect there are large cities in the US where you can live for less than that. Rob R. |
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