I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s.

The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and
altering the tempo later via software.

Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music?

The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and
altering the tempo later via software.

Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music?


Apart from consideration of the different eq required, has your
cartridge (in particular) and the rest of your recording chain got
good performance at over twice the highest frequency it was expecting
to have to deal with?

The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and
altering the tempo later via software.

Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music?


Apart from consideration of the different eq required, has your
cartridge (in particular) and the rest of your recording chain got
good performance at over twice the highest frequency it was expecting
to have to deal with?

The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and
altering the tempo later via software.

Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music?


Apart from consideration of the different eq required, has your
cartridge (in particular) and the rest of your recording chain got
good performance at over twice the highest frequency it was expecting
to have to deal with?

The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and
altering the tempo later via software.

Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music?


Apart from consideration of the different eq required, has your
cartridge (in particular) and the rest of your recording chain got
good performance at over twice the highest frequency it was expecting
to have to deal with?

JeffK wrote:

I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s.

The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm,
and altering the tempo later via software.

Not a good idea.If you had a 33 1/3 record with a 20 KHz sound recorded on
it, that 20 KHz would be would be at about 48 KHz when played at 78 rpm. But
your cartridge can't track well or respond with flat response at such a high
frequency. Results: a lack of high frequency response and increased
distortion.

Has this been done?

I'm sure.

Has it been done without wrecking the music?

Probably not.

JeffK wrote:

I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s.

The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm,
and altering the tempo later via software.

Not a good idea.If you had a 33 1/3 record with a 20 KHz sound recorded on
it, that 20 KHz would be would be at about 48 KHz when played at 78 rpm. But
your cartridge can't track well or respond with flat response at such a high
frequency. Results: a lack of high frequency response and increased
distortion.

Has this been done?

I'm sure.

Has it been done without wrecking the music?

Probably not.

JeffK wrote:

I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s.

The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm,
and altering the tempo later via software.

Not a good idea.If you had a 33 1/3 record with a 20 KHz sound recorded on
it, that 20 KHz would be would be at about 48 KHz when played at 78 rpm. But
your cartridge can't track well or respond with flat response at such a high
frequency. Results: a lack of high frequency response and increased
distortion.

Has this been done?

I'm sure.

Has it been done without wrecking the music?

Probably not.

JeffK wrote:

I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s.

The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm,
and altering the tempo later via software.

Not a good idea.If you had a 33 1/3 record with a 20 KHz sound recorded on
it, that 20 KHz would be would be at about 48 KHz when played at 78 rpm. But
your cartridge can't track well or respond with flat response at such a high
frequency. Results: a lack of high frequency response and increased
distortion.

Has this been done?

I'm sure.

Has it been done without wrecking the music?

Probably not.

In article ,
"JeffK" wrote:

I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s.

The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and
altering the tempo later via software.

Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music?

The record player needle will float over the groove, skipping along the
peaks. It will sound very bad.

In article ,
"JeffK" wrote:

I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s.

The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and
altering the tempo later via software.

Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music?

The record player needle will float over the groove, skipping along the
peaks. It will sound very bad.

In article ,
"JeffK" wrote:

I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s.

The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and
altering the tempo later via software.

Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music?

The record player needle will float over the groove, skipping along the
peaks. It will sound very bad.

In article ,
"JeffK" wrote:

I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s.

The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm, and
altering the tempo later via software.

Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music?

The record player needle will float over the groove, skipping along the
peaks. It will sound very bad.

"Arny Krueger" wrote ...
JeffK wrote:
Has this been done?
I'm sure.
Has it been done without wrecking the music?
Probably not.

And probably not without wrecking the cartridge,
stylus, and record as well. A remarkably bad idea.

"Arny Krueger" wrote ...
JeffK wrote:
Has this been done?
I'm sure.
Has it been done without wrecking the music?
Probably not.

And probably not without wrecking the cartridge,
stylus, and record as well. A remarkably bad idea.

"Arny Krueger" wrote ...
JeffK wrote:
Has this been done?
I'm sure.
Has it been done without wrecking the music?
Probably not.

And probably not without wrecking the cartridge,
stylus, and record as well. A remarkably bad idea.

"Arny Krueger" wrote ...
JeffK wrote:
Has this been done?
I'm sure.
Has it been done without wrecking the music?
Probably not.

And probably not without wrecking the cartridge,
stylus, and record as well. A remarkably bad idea.

On Mon, 10 May 2004 08:01:04 -0700, "Richard Crowley"
wrote:

And probably not without wrecking the cartridge,
stylus, and record as well. A remarkably bad idea.

No need to be TOO alarmist ;-) We've all played a 33 at 78 at some
time haven't we? Either by mistake, or just to see what it sounded
like? It may not have sounded very nice. But nothing broke.

On Mon, 10 May 2004 08:01:04 -0700, "Richard Crowley"
wrote:

And probably not without wrecking the cartridge,
stylus, and record as well. A remarkably bad idea.

No need to be TOO alarmist ;-) We've all played a 33 at 78 at some
time haven't we? Either by mistake, or just to see what it sounded
like? It may not have sounded very nice. But nothing broke.

On Mon, 10 May 2004 08:01:04 -0700, "Richard Crowley"
wrote:

And probably not without wrecking the cartridge,
stylus, and record as well. A remarkably bad idea.

No need to be TOO alarmist ;-) We've all played a 33 at 78 at some
time haven't we? Either by mistake, or just to see what it sounded
like? It may not have sounded very nice. But nothing broke.

On Mon, 10 May 2004 08:01:04 -0700, "Richard Crowley"
wrote:

And probably not without wrecking the cartridge,
stylus, and record as well. A remarkably bad idea.

No need to be TOO alarmist ;-) We've all played a 33 at 78 at some
time haven't we? Either by mistake, or just to see what it sounded
like? It may not have sounded very nice. But nothing broke.

wrote ...
KM [Sun, 09 May 2004 23:31:36 -0700]:
The record player needle will float over the groove,...

Playing at 16 2/3rds RPM might be worth a try, though,
if you have a turntable that can. I don't. Should
help for warped vinyl anyway.

It sounds like the OP's intent was to transfer a lot of stuff
quickly. Running at 1/2 speed seems antithetical to the
original intent.

wrote ...
KM [Sun, 09 May 2004 23:31:36 -0700]:
The record player needle will float over the groove,...

Playing at 16 2/3rds RPM might be worth a try, though,
if you have a turntable that can. I don't. Should
help for warped vinyl anyway.

It sounds like the OP's intent was to transfer a lot of stuff
quickly. Running at 1/2 speed seems antithetical to the
original intent.

wrote ...
KM [Sun, 09 May 2004 23:31:36 -0700]:
The record player needle will float over the groove,...

Playing at 16 2/3rds RPM might be worth a try, though,
if you have a turntable that can. I don't. Should
help for warped vinyl anyway.

It sounds like the OP's intent was to transfer a lot of stuff
quickly. Running at 1/2 speed seems antithetical to the
original intent.

wrote ...
KM [Sun, 09 May 2004 23:31:36 -0700]:
The record player needle will float over the groove,...

Playing at 16 2/3rds RPM might be worth a try, though,
if you have a turntable that can. I don't. Should
help for warped vinyl anyway.

It sounds like the OP's intent was to transfer a lot of stuff
quickly. Running at 1/2 speed seems antithetical to the
original intent.

On Mon, 10 May 2004 09:06:57 -0700, "Richard Crowley"
wrote:

Playing at 16 2/3rds RPM might be worth a try, though,
if you have a turntable that can. I don't. Should
help for warped vinyl anyway.

It sounds like the OP's intent was to transfer a lot of stuff
quickly. Running at 1/2 speed seems antithetical to the
original intent.


You want it done QUICK or you want it done RIGHT? :-)

On Mon, 10 May 2004 09:06:57 -0700, "Richard Crowley"
wrote:

Playing at 16 2/3rds RPM might be worth a try, though,
if you have a turntable that can. I don't. Should
help for warped vinyl anyway.

It sounds like the OP's intent was to transfer a lot of stuff
quickly. Running at 1/2 speed seems antithetical to the
original intent.


You want it done QUICK or you want it done RIGHT? :-)

On Mon, 10 May 2004 09:06:57 -0700, "Richard Crowley"
wrote:

Playing at 16 2/3rds RPM might be worth a try, though,
if you have a turntable that can. I don't. Should
help for warped vinyl anyway.

It sounds like the OP's intent was to transfer a lot of stuff
quickly. Running at 1/2 speed seems antithetical to the
original intent.


You want it done QUICK or you want it done RIGHT? :-)

On Mon, 10 May 2004 09:06:57 -0700, "Richard Crowley"
wrote:

Playing at 16 2/3rds RPM might be worth a try, though,
if you have a turntable that can. I don't. Should
help for warped vinyl anyway.

It sounds like the OP's intent was to transfer a lot of stuff
quickly. Running at 1/2 speed seems antithetical to the
original intent.


You want it done QUICK or you want it done RIGHT? :-)

In , on 05/09/04
at 10:50 PM, "JeffK" said:

I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s.

The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm,
and altering the tempo later via software.

Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music?

As others have stated, this is not a great idea -- especially if you
want top quality.

If, however, all you want is a quick and dirty transfer to CD, it will
work. You be the judge.

One of the early challenges you will face is inaccurate RIAA
equalization. It is also possible that your phono preamp will ignore
all or most of the high frequency information. Finally, your phono
cartridge will be operating outside of it's comfort zone. While I don't
think there will be any physical damage to your cartridge, it will tell
you that it is not happy with the task.

Perhaps a better solution is to use an unattended record changer. Load
it to the max, start recording, and walk away. Later, you can edit the
results and burn your CD's at whatever X you have. This technique will
not improve the elapsed time, but will minimize your "on station" time.
Others will argue that the changer will not provide adaquate quality --
you be the judge.

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In , on 05/09/04
at 10:50 PM, "JeffK" said:

I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s.

The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm,
and altering the tempo later via software.

Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music?

As others have stated, this is not a great idea -- especially if you
want top quality.

If, however, all you want is a quick and dirty transfer to CD, it will
work. You be the judge.

One of the early challenges you will face is inaccurate RIAA
equalization. It is also possible that your phono preamp will ignore
all or most of the high frequency information. Finally, your phono
cartridge will be operating outside of it's comfort zone. While I don't
think there will be any physical damage to your cartridge, it will tell
you that it is not happy with the task.

Perhaps a better solution is to use an unattended record changer. Load
it to the max, start recording, and walk away. Later, you can edit the
results and burn your CD's at whatever X you have. This technique will
not improve the elapsed time, but will minimize your "on station" time.
Others will argue that the changer will not provide adaquate quality --
you be the judge.

-----------------------------------------------------------
spam:
wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15
13 (Barry Mann)
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In , on 05/09/04
at 10:50 PM, "JeffK" said:

I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s.

The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm,
and altering the tempo later via software.

Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music?

As others have stated, this is not a great idea -- especially if you
want top quality.

If, however, all you want is a quick and dirty transfer to CD, it will
work. You be the judge.

One of the early challenges you will face is inaccurate RIAA
equalization. It is also possible that your phono preamp will ignore
all or most of the high frequency information. Finally, your phono
cartridge will be operating outside of it's comfort zone. While I don't
think there will be any physical damage to your cartridge, it will tell
you that it is not happy with the task.

Perhaps a better solution is to use an unattended record changer. Load
it to the max, start recording, and walk away. Later, you can edit the
results and burn your CD's at whatever X you have. This technique will
not improve the elapsed time, but will minimize your "on station" time.
Others will argue that the changer will not provide adaquate quality --
you be the judge.

-----------------------------------------------------------
spam:
wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15
13 (Barry Mann)
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In , on 05/09/04
at 10:50 PM, "JeffK" said:

I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s.

The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm,
and altering the tempo later via software.

Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music?

As others have stated, this is not a great idea -- especially if you
want top quality.

If, however, all you want is a quick and dirty transfer to CD, it will
work. You be the judge.

One of the early challenges you will face is inaccurate RIAA
equalization. It is also possible that your phono preamp will ignore
all or most of the high frequency information. Finally, your phono
cartridge will be operating outside of it's comfort zone. While I don't
think there will be any physical damage to your cartridge, it will tell
you that it is not happy with the task.

Perhaps a better solution is to use an unattended record changer. Load
it to the max, start recording, and walk away. Later, you can edit the
results and burn your CD's at whatever X you have. This technique will
not improve the elapsed time, but will minimize your "on station" time.
Others will argue that the changer will not provide adaquate quality --
you be the judge.

-----------------------------------------------------------
spam:
wordgame:123(abc):14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15
13 (Barry Mann)
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"Barry Mann" wrote in message
om...
In , on 05/09/04
at 10:50 PM, "JeffK" said:

I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s.

The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm,
and altering the tempo later via software.

Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music?

As others have stated, this is not a great idea -- especially if you
want top quality.

If, however, all you want is a quick and dirty transfer to CD, it will
work. You be the judge.

One of the early challenges you will face is inaccurate RIAA
equalization. It is also possible that your phono preamp will ignore
all or most of the high frequency information.

It won't have to ignore the HF. The will likely never make it
out of the pickup. The pickup/stylus will most likely not only
not trace it, but will make mincemeat of whatever it does
manage to plow through. Even if you could get it to track,
you'd have to have an exceptional pickup with HF response
to 47KHz to have the equivalent of 20KHz at 33.3RPM If I
had a pickup that good, I certainly wouldn't abuse it by trying
to track LPs at 78RPM.

And then, as you have already observed, you'd need a special
RIAA equalization that was scaled up by 78/33'rds.

"Barry Mann" wrote in message
om...
In , on 05/09/04
at 10:50 PM, "JeffK" said:

I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s.

The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm,
and altering the tempo later via software.

Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music?

As others have stated, this is not a great idea -- especially if you
want top quality.

If, however, all you want is a quick and dirty transfer to CD, it will
work. You be the judge.

One of the early challenges you will face is inaccurate RIAA
equalization. It is also possible that your phono preamp will ignore
all or most of the high frequency information.

It won't have to ignore the HF. The will likely never make it
out of the pickup. The pickup/stylus will most likely not only
not trace it, but will make mincemeat of whatever it does
manage to plow through. Even if you could get it to track,
you'd have to have an exceptional pickup with HF response
to 47KHz to have the equivalent of 20KHz at 33.3RPM If I
had a pickup that good, I certainly wouldn't abuse it by trying
to track LPs at 78RPM.

And then, as you have already observed, you'd need a special
RIAA equalization that was scaled up by 78/33'rds.

"Barry Mann" wrote in message
om...
In , on 05/09/04
at 10:50 PM, "JeffK" said:

I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s.

The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm,
and altering the tempo later via software.

Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music?

As others have stated, this is not a great idea -- especially if you
want top quality.

If, however, all you want is a quick and dirty transfer to CD, it will
work. You be the judge.

One of the early challenges you will face is inaccurate RIAA
equalization. It is also possible that your phono preamp will ignore
all or most of the high frequency information.

It won't have to ignore the HF. The will likely never make it
out of the pickup. The pickup/stylus will most likely not only
not trace it, but will make mincemeat of whatever it does
manage to plow through. Even if you could get it to track,
you'd have to have an exceptional pickup with HF response
to 47KHz to have the equivalent of 20KHz at 33.3RPM If I
had a pickup that good, I certainly wouldn't abuse it by trying
to track LPs at 78RPM.

And then, as you have already observed, you'd need a special
RIAA equalization that was scaled up by 78/33'rds.

"Barry Mann" wrote in message
om...
In , on 05/09/04
at 10:50 PM, "JeffK" said:

I'm transferring some 33 1/3 LPs to MP3s.

The thought occurred that I could save time by recording at 78 rpm,
and altering the tempo later via software.

Has this been done? Has it been done without wrecking the music?

As others have stated, this is not a great idea -- especially if you
want top quality.

If, however, all you want is a quick and dirty transfer to CD, it will
work. You be the judge.

One of the early challenges you will face is inaccurate RIAA
equalization. It is also possible that your phono preamp will ignore
all or most of the high frequency information.

It won't have to ignore the HF. The will likely never make it
out of the pickup. The pickup/stylus will most likely not only
not trace it, but will make mincemeat of whatever it does
manage to plow through. Even if you could get it to track,
you'd have to have an exceptional pickup with HF response
to 47KHz to have the equivalent of 20KHz at 33.3RPM If I
had a pickup that good, I certainly wouldn't abuse it by trying
to track LPs at 78RPM.

And then, as you have already observed, you'd need a special
RIAA equalization that was scaled up by 78/33'rds.

"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 10 May 2004 09:06:57 -0700, "Richard Crowley"
wrote:

Playing at 16 2/3rds RPM might be worth a try, though,
if you have a turntable that can. I don't. Should
help for warped vinyl anyway.

It sounds like the OP's intent was to transfer a lot of stuff
quickly. Running at 1/2 speed seems antithetical to the
original intent.


You want it done QUICK or you want it done RIGHT? :-)

Remember the 1/2 speed audiophile discs they made in the '70s?

"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 10 May 2004 09:06:57 -0700, "Richard Crowley"
wrote:

Playing at 16 2/3rds RPM might be worth a try, though,
if you have a turntable that can. I don't. Should
help for warped vinyl anyway.

It sounds like the OP's intent was to transfer a lot of stuff
quickly. Running at 1/2 speed seems antithetical to the
original intent.


You want it done QUICK or you want it done RIGHT? :-)

Remember the 1/2 speed audiophile discs they made in the '70s?

"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 10 May 2004 09:06:57 -0700, "Richard Crowley"
wrote:

Playing at 16 2/3rds RPM might be worth a try, though,
if you have a turntable that can. I don't. Should
help for warped vinyl anyway.

It sounds like the OP's intent was to transfer a lot of stuff
quickly. Running at 1/2 speed seems antithetical to the
original intent.


You want it done QUICK or you want it done RIGHT? :-)

Remember the 1/2 speed audiophile discs they made in the '70s?