[Sal Brisindi[_2_]]

I am just curious, will Radio Shack honor the lifetime tube warranty? I
have a bunch from 2 amps I purchased... Anyone try recently?

Sal Brisindi

[Multi-grid]

On Oct 28, 10:24 pm, Sal Brisindi wrote:
I am just curious, will Radio Shack honor the lifetime tube warranty? I
have a bunch from 2 amps I purchased... Anyone try recently?

Sal Brisindi

If it can still be gotten they will. I got some EL34 from them. Now it
was trading worn our GE 6CA7's for Chinese EL34's...but we all had a
good giggle over it.
cheers,
Douglas

[Peter Wieck]

On Oct 28, 3:24 pm, Sal Brisindi wrote:
I am just curious, will Radio Shack honor the lifetime tube warranty? I
have a bunch from 2 amps I purchased... Anyone try recently?

Sal Brisindi

Sal:

They will, you will have to be insistant. But, they will. However the
replacement tubes will not be "lifetime".

I actually did get a tube replaced from the Radio Shack in the Seef
Mall in Manama, Bahrain. Not only did they get me a tube in about 2
weeks, but the manager was quite pleasant about it.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[Trevor Wilson[_2_]]

"flipper" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:16:03 -0700, Bret Ludwig
wrote:

On Oct 28, 3:24 pm, Sal Brisindi wrote:
I am just curious, will Radio Shack honor the lifetime tube warranty? I
have a bunch from 2 amps I purchased... Anyone try recently?

Sal Brisindi

They will not, because they no longer carry tubes. In fact, I just
called a couple of Shacks to find out. none of their employees KNEW
WHAT A VACUUM TUBE WAS. Their site says nothing on the subject either.

That certainly means it wouldn't be easy but I'm not sure a company
still in business can just walk away from a warranty.

Whether it would be worth litigation is another matter but I'd suggest
one should move up a few management notches rather than relying on the
floor staff.

There were probably a number of conditions, however, and one might be
"original owner" so the issue may be moot.

**Yep. Original owner and purchase receipt are required.

How long is a 'lifetime warranty' anyway? Radio Shack could argue that the
lifetime of the valve is, well, as long as it lasts.

Trevor Wilson

[Trevor Wilson[_2_]]

"flipper" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:25:22 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


"flipper" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:16:03 -0700, Bret Ludwig
wrote:

On Oct 28, 3:24 pm, Sal Brisindi wrote:
I am just curious, will Radio Shack honor the lifetime tube warranty?
I
have a bunch from 2 amps I purchased... Anyone try recently?

Sal Brisindi

They will not, because they no longer carry tubes. In fact, I just
called a couple of Shacks to find out. none of their employees KNEW
WHAT A VACUUM TUBE WAS. Their site says nothing on the subject either.

That certainly means it wouldn't be easy but I'm not sure a company
still in business can just walk away from a warranty.

Whether it would be worth litigation is another matter but I'd suggest
one should move up a few management notches rather than relying on the
floor staff.

There were probably a number of conditions, however, and one might be
"original owner" so the issue may be moot.

**Yep. Original owner and purchase receipt are required.

How long is a 'lifetime warranty' anyway? Radio Shack could argue that the
lifetime of the valve is, well, as long as it lasts.

If you pet a few cents of thought into that you'll discover it makes
no sense.

**It makes perfect sense. Most manufacturers of valves can provide some kind
of expected life span. Radio Shack could argue that the life of the valve is
the 'lifetime warranty'.

Trevor Wilson

[Jon Yaeger]

in article , Sal Brisindi at
wrote on 10/28/07 4:24 PM:

I am just curious, will Radio Shack honor the lifetime tube warranty? I
have a bunch from 2 amps I purchased... Anyone try recently?

Sal Brisindi


Mine did until recently. After I brought some by a couple of time, they
told me they weren't going to do it for me anymore. But there are lots of
other RS stores in the Atlanta area to pester . . . .

You never know what you'll get. I got some nice NOS tubes with one batch,
and a Russian 7591A in another.

Jon

[Phil Allison]

"flipper"
" Trevor Wilson"

**It makes perfect sense. Most manufacturers of valves can provide some
kind
of expected life span. Radio Shack could argue that the life of the valve
is
the 'lifetime warranty'.

It makes no sense at all and has nothing to do with valves.

** ********.


Anyone
could argue the absurd that "lifetime" means until it's broke or 'worn
out',


** Not absurd at all - you cretinous ****wit.

Lifetime Warranty = for the whole period of its expected life.


'Lifetime' invariable means the 'original owner' and/or the 'lifetime'
of the thing the part is put in,


** Utter ******** !!



........ Phil

[Dersu Uzala]

I have here in front of me a 1975 catalog, with Arthur Fiedler on the cover.
Page 87 "guaranteed to last as long as your set- or we will replace 'em FREE"


6CA7/EL34 $5.97
6SN7GTB $4.99
6L6GC $5.17
6922 $4.29
7189A $3.22
7199 $5.80
8417 $4.30

General inflation since 1975 is about 400%

In article .com,
says...

I threw out all my old radio Shack catalogs years ago. But I remember
that the Lifetime Warranty was for "the lifetime of the device into
which the tube was installed". This was more or less on the honor
system. The Lifetime Warranty tubes were more expensive. On small
signal tubes this was a good bet for RS. They got screwed on power
tubes with the advent of guitar amplifiers which went through them at
a healthy rate, exacerbated by stupid guitar players.

[Dersu Uzala]

In article , says...


"flipper"
" Trevor Wilson"

**It makes perfect sense. Most manufacturers of valves can provide some
kind
of expected life span. Radio Shack could argue that the life of the valve
is
the 'lifetime warranty'.

It makes no sense at all and has nothing to do with valves.

** ********.


Anyone
could argue the absurd that "lifetime" means until it's broke or 'worn
out',


** Not absurd at all - you cretinous ****wit.

Lifetime Warranty = for the whole period of its expected life.


'Lifetime' invariable means the 'original owner' and/or the 'lifetime'
of the thing the part is put in,


** Utter ******** !!



....... Phil




Point 1: We are talking about a "Guarantee", not a "warranty". there is a
difference.

Point 2: "'Lifetime' invariable means the 'original owner' and/or the
'lifetime'of the thing the part is put in"
is absolutely the correct meaning.

[Sal Brisindi]

Dersu Uzala wrote:
In article , says...

"flipper"
" Trevor Wilson"
**It makes perfect sense. Most manufacturers of valves can provide some
kind
of expected life span. Radio Shack could argue that the life of the valve
is
the 'lifetime warranty'.
It makes no sense at all and has nothing to do with valves.
** ********.


Anyone
could argue the absurd that "lifetime" means until it's broke or 'worn
out',

** Not absurd at all - you cretinous ****wit.

Lifetime Warranty = for the whole period of its expected life.


'Lifetime' invariable means the 'original owner' and/or the 'lifetime'
of the thing the part is put in,

** Utter ******** !!



....... Phil




Point 1: We are talking about a "Guarantee", not a "warranty". there is a
difference.

Point 2: "'Lifetime' invariable means the 'original owner' and/or the
'lifetime'of the thing the part is put in"
is absolutely the correct meaning.

Wow,
I am enjoying all these responses. I always thought lifetime, meant just
that, lifetime, last forever, which we know nothing last forever. If
these tubes were installed in a tube amp and they test weak, well, the
tubes should be replaced since the amp is still in use. Just my opinion.
I might bring a pair of 7199's to Radio Shack (they were leaky, but I
didn't test them in a working amp).

Thanks,
Sal

[Phil Allison]

"Dersu Uzala"
"flipper"
" Trevor Wilson"

**It makes perfect sense. Most manufacturers of valves can provide some
kind
of expected life span. Radio Shack could argue that the life of the
valve
is
the 'lifetime warranty'.

It makes no sense at all and has nothing to do with valves.

** ********.


Anyone
could argue the absurd that "lifetime" means until it's broke or 'worn
out',


** Not absurd at all - you cretinous ****wit.

Lifetime Warranty = for the whole period of its expected life.


'Lifetime' invariable means the 'original owner' and/or the 'lifetime'
of the thing the part is put in,


** Utter ******** !!




Point 1: We are talking about a "Guarantee", not a "warranty". there is a
difference.


** The OP & TW used " warranty " - as did I.

You posturing septic ****head.


Point 2: "'Lifetime' invariable means the 'original owner' and/or the
'lifetime'of the thing the part is put in"
is absolutely the correct meaning.


** You are not GOD and do not get to decide anything.

So - fuuuuuck offfffff.




....... Phil

[Phil Allison]

"flipper"



** Get ****ed

- you slimy AUTISTIC PRICK.




......... Phil

[PeterD]

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:38:22 -0500, flipper wrote:

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:19:07 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


"flipper" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:25:22 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


"flipper" wrote in message
m...
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:16:03 -0700, Bret Ludwig
wrote:

On Oct 28, 3:24 pm, Sal Brisindi wrote:
I am just curious, will Radio Shack honor the lifetime tube warranty?
I
have a bunch from 2 amps I purchased... Anyone try recently?

Sal Brisindi

They will not, because they no longer carry tubes. In fact, I just
called a couple of Shacks to find out. none of their employees KNEW
WHAT A VACUUM TUBE WAS. Their site says nothing on the subject either.

That certainly means it wouldn't be easy but I'm not sure a company
still in business can just walk away from a warranty.

Whether it would be worth litigation is another matter but I'd suggest
one should move up a few management notches rather than relying on the
floor staff.

There were probably a number of conditions, however, and one might be
"original owner" so the issue may be moot.

**Yep. Original owner and purchase receipt are required.

How long is a 'lifetime warranty' anyway? Radio Shack could argue that the
lifetime of the valve is, well, as long as it lasts.

If you pet a few cents of thought into that you'll discover it makes
no sense.

**It makes perfect sense. Most manufacturers of valves can provide some kind
of expected life span. Radio Shack could argue that the life of the valve is
the 'lifetime warranty'.

It makes no sense at all and has nothing to do with valves. Anyone
could argue the absurd that "lifetime" means until it's broke or 'worn
out', in which case 'lifetime' means nothing because we already know
that things break and wear out so there is no need to repeat it, much
less claim it constitutes an 'unusually good warranty'.

'Lifetime' invariable means the 'original owner' and/or the 'lifetime'
of the thing the part is put in, as in 'lifetime brake pads' for your
car that are a loss leader to get you back and pay the labor to
install them.

Warranties based on 'expected life span' are 'prorated' warranties.
like 25,000 mile, or whatever, tires.

Trevor Wilson


Much as you'd like the term 'Lifetime warranty' to be a 'Forever
warranty' such is not the case, and courts in the US have upheld that
the term 'Lifetime warranty' is based on the (typical or nominal)
lifetime of the item being warrantied. That said, basically the term
'Lifetime warranty' means nothing, and is virtually impossible to
enforce.

At best, the OP would be able to recover the amount paid for the tubes
should RS not honor the warranty, and the OP went to court, and got
lucky and found a judge who was sympathetic. Won't happen.

And, really, who *wants* Radio Sludge parts anyway?

[David R Brooks]

PeterD wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:38:22 -0500, flipper wrote:

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:19:07 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:

"flipper" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:25:22 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:

"flipper" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:16:03 -0700, Bret Ludwig
wrote:

On Oct 28, 3:24 pm, Sal Brisindi wrote:
I am just curious, will Radio Shack honor the lifetime tube warranty?
I
have a bunch from 2 amps I purchased... Anyone try recently?

Sal Brisindi
They will not, because they no longer carry tubes. In fact, I just
called a couple of Shacks to find out. none of their employees KNEW
WHAT A VACUUM TUBE WAS. Their site says nothing on the subject either.
That certainly means it wouldn't be easy but I'm not sure a company
still in business can just walk away from a warranty.

Whether it would be worth litigation is another matter but I'd suggest
one should move up a few management notches rather than relying on the
floor staff.

There were probably a number of conditions, however, and one might be
"original owner" so the issue may be moot.
**Yep. Original owner and purchase receipt are required.

How long is a 'lifetime warranty' anyway? Radio Shack could argue that the
lifetime of the valve is, well, as long as it lasts.
If you pet a few cents of thought into that you'll discover it makes
no sense.
**It makes perfect sense. Most manufacturers of valves can provide some kind
of expected life span. Radio Shack could argue that the life of the valve is
the 'lifetime warranty'.
It makes no sense at all and has nothing to do with valves. Anyone
could argue the absurd that "lifetime" means until it's broke or 'worn
out', in which case 'lifetime' means nothing because we already know
that things break and wear out so there is no need to repeat it, much
less claim it constitutes an 'unusually good warranty'.

'Lifetime' invariable means the 'original owner' and/or the 'lifetime'
of the thing the part is put in, as in 'lifetime brake pads' for your
car that are a loss leader to get you back and pay the labor to
install them.

Warranties based on 'expected life span' are 'prorated' warranties.
like 25,000 mile, or whatever, tires.

Trevor Wilson


Much as you'd like the term 'Lifetime warranty' to be a 'Forever
warranty' such is not the case, and courts in the US have upheld that
the term 'Lifetime warranty' is based on the (typical or nominal)
lifetime of the item being warrantied. That said, basically the term
'Lifetime warranty' means nothing, and is virtually impossible to
enforce.

At best, the OP would be able to recover the amount paid for the tubes
should RS not honor the warranty, and the OP went to court, and got
lucky and found a judge who was sympathetic. Won't happen.

And, really, who *wants* Radio Sludge parts anyway?

When any business offers me a "lifetime warranty", my usual response
(thought, at least, if not spoken) is "Who's lifetime: mine or yours?"
Having paid $$$ for lifetime membership in a frequent-flyer program, &
the airline then folded, I don't bother with them.

[Warm Blue Glow]

On Oct 28, 4:58 pm, flipper wrote:

Whether it would be worth litigation is another matter but I'd suggest
one should move up a few management notches rather than relying on the
floor staff.

IIRC, it actually was litigated at one point many years ago. Again
IIRC, RS was told they had to replace them. RS switched from
"Lifetime" to "Lifelong" at some point, removing the warranty. I'm not
sure if that was a result of the litigation. I believe if you bring
one in and are insistent enough, you'll get a new tube if it's
available.

[Dersu Uzala]

In article , says...

Point 1: We are talking about a "Guarantee", not a "warranty". there is a
difference.


** The OP & TW used " warranty " - as did I.

You posturing septic ****head.

We are talking about Radio Shack's actual policy, which as I previously
posted verbatim is "guaranteed to last as long as your set- or we will replace
'em FREE", page 87, 1975 catalog. Therefore we are dealing with a "guarantee",
whether you or the OP call it a warranty or not. Do you call an impedance a
resistance? Samething, right? Measured in ohms, an' stuff, right?





Point 2: "'Lifetime' invariable means the 'original owner' and/or the
'lifetime'of the thing the part is put in"
is absolutely the correct meaning.


** You are not GOD and do not get to decide anything.

So - fuuuuuck offfffff.

Do you mean to say only God can make decisions? If I can't decide anything,
and posting this requires a decision to post, does that mean I'm God? Your
logic seeems obscure, Phil.


...... Phil

[David R Brooks]

flipper wrote:
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:34:06 +0800, David R Brooks
wrote:

PeterD wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:38:22 -0500, flipper wrote:

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:19:07 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:

"flipper" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:25:22 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:

"flipper" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:16:03 -0700, Bret Ludwig
wrote:

On Oct 28, 3:24 pm, Sal Brisindi wrote:
I am just curious, will Radio Shack honor the lifetime tube warranty?
I
have a bunch from 2 amps I purchased... Anyone try recently?

Sal Brisindi
They will not, because they no longer carry tubes. In fact, I just
called a couple of Shacks to find out. none of their employees KNEW
WHAT A VACUUM TUBE WAS. Their site says nothing on the subject either.
That certainly means it wouldn't be easy but I'm not sure a company
still in business can just walk away from a warranty.

Whether it would be worth litigation is another matter but I'd suggest
one should move up a few management notches rather than relying on the
floor staff.

There were probably a number of conditions, however, and one might be
"original owner" so the issue may be moot.
**Yep. Original owner and purchase receipt are required.

How long is a 'lifetime warranty' anyway? Radio Shack could argue that the
lifetime of the valve is, well, as long as it lasts.
If you pet a few cents of thought into that you'll discover it makes
no sense.
**It makes perfect sense. Most manufacturers of valves can provide some kind
of expected life span. Radio Shack could argue that the life of the valve is
the 'lifetime warranty'.
It makes no sense at all and has nothing to do with valves. Anyone
could argue the absurd that "lifetime" means until it's broke or 'worn
out', in which case 'lifetime' means nothing because we already know
that things break and wear out so there is no need to repeat it, much
less claim it constitutes an 'unusually good warranty'.

'Lifetime' invariable means the 'original owner' and/or the 'lifetime'
of the thing the part is put in, as in 'lifetime brake pads' for your
car that are a loss leader to get you back and pay the labor to
install them.

Warranties based on 'expected life span' are 'prorated' warranties.
like 25,000 mile, or whatever, tires.

Trevor Wilson

Much as you'd like the term 'Lifetime warranty' to be a 'Forever
warranty' such is not the case, and courts in the US have upheld that
the term 'Lifetime warranty' is based on the (typical or nominal)
lifetime of the item being warrantied. That said, basically the term
'Lifetime warranty' means nothing, and is virtually impossible to
enforce.

At best, the OP would be able to recover the amount paid for the tubes
should RS not honor the warranty, and the OP went to court, and got
lucky and found a judge who was sympathetic. Won't happen.

And, really, who *wants* Radio Sludge parts anyway?
When any business offers me a "lifetime warranty", my usual response
(thought, at least, if not spoken) is "Who's lifetime: mine or yours?"
Having paid $$$ for lifetime membership in a frequent-flyer program, &
the airline then folded, I don't bother with them.

A warranty is only as good as the warrantor for the rather fundamental
reason that if the warrantor doesn't exist anymore there's no one to
honor the warranty.

Plainly so: the point being that *no* corporation has any significant
life expectancy, these days. My example was a major airline, which
no-one at that time expected to disappear. But it was taken over, and
liquidated.

[Dersu Uzala]

We are talking about Radio Shack's actual policy, which as I previously
posted verbatim is "guaranteed to last as long as your set- or we will
replace
'em FREE", page 87, 1975 catalog. Therefore we are dealing with a
"guarantee",
whether you or the OP call it a warranty or not. Do you call an impedance a
resistance? Samething, right? Measured in ohms, an' stuff, right?

On what are you basing your interpretation of "warranty" and
"guarantee?"

More than 10 years experince selling retail.

[GeneK]

"Dersu Uzala" wrote in message
. ..
I have here in front of me a 1975 catalog, with Arthur
Fiedler on the cover.
Page 87 "guaranteed to last as long as your set- or we
will replace 'em FREE"

The last time I took some "Realistic Lifetime" tubes back to
RS was about 5 years ago. Similar to experiences previously
posted by others, the 20-something clerk with the orange
buzz-cut at my local store had never seen a tube before and
had not the slightest idea what to do with one, but the
store
manager did, and after a wait of about three weeks I got a
call to come pick up my replacements. Surprisingly, one of
them was another "Realistic Lifetime" tube, while the rest
were non-RS tubes of varying brands and countries of origin.
The manager told me that the RS policy was that the
"lifetime
guarantee" applied to the original "Lifetime" tube, but only
applied to the replacement if it was another "Lifetime"
tube.
Apparently, RS does have some NOS tubes in a warehouse
somewhere (or at least they did 5 years ago), as when they
discontinued their tubes they still had some laying around.
So RS guaranteed their "Realistic Lifetime" tubes would be
replaced if they ever failed, but they're not promising the
same on non-RS branded replacement tubes.

Gene

[Peter Wieck]

On Oct 28, 8:30 pm, Jon Yaeger wrote:

You never know what you'll get. I got some nice NOS tubes with one batch,
and a Russian 7591A in another.


Just for a giggle, I called the R/S that was both an in-line (that is,
not a Mall Store) and most proximate to us. The manager asked to call
me back. 10 minutes later, he called back and stated that if I brought
him the tube and if it was not physically damaged, R/S would replace
it - typically within 21 days.

So, there it is. He must have called the home office. But at no time
was he either skeptical or hostile.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[GeneK]

"flipper" wrote...

It makes no sense at all and has nothing to do with
valves. Anyone
could argue the absurd that "lifetime" means until it's
broke or 'worn
out', in which case 'lifetime' means nothing because we
already know
that things break and wear out so there is no need to
repeat it, much
less claim it constitutes an 'unusually good warranty'.

This is exactly what it means. As long as a "lifetime" tube
lasts,
it's covered by a warranty that says it will be replaced if
it fails.
Once it's failed and has been replaced, the warranty on that
tube has been honored and the replacement comes with a
*new* warranty. Unfortunately, they don't carry "lifetime"
tubes anymore, so the new warranty is different.

"Lifetime" simply says that the warranty is not limited by
any
set period of time, such as 90 days, 2 years, etc. Saying
things like "lifetime of the original owner" and/or
"lifetime
of the thing the part is put in" would also be
*limitations,*
because they set conditions that can terminate coverage.
The RS statement quoted elsewhere establishes that RS
could theoretically demand that you demonstrate that the
tube you're bringing in has spent its entire operating life
in the same piece of gear, but how you'd ever do this is
anyone's guess, and they're not even asking.

What made the "lifetime" warranty on tubes "unusually
good" at the time was that as far as I can recall nobody
else was offering it on tubes. As of 5 years ago (the
last time I got tubes replaced by RS), it was even better
than I ever expected it to be.

Gene

[Phil Allison]

"Dersu Uzala"



** You are one asinine, posturing, septic ****head.


Fuuuuuck offfffff.





....... Phil

[Sal Brisindi[_2_]]

Peter Wieck wrote:
On Oct 28, 8:30 pm, Jon Yaeger wrote:

You never know what you'll get. I got some nice NOS tubes with one batch,
and a Russian 7591A in another.


Just for a giggle, I called the R/S that was both an in-line (that is,
not a Mall Store) and most proximate to us. The manager asked to call
me back. 10 minutes later, he called back and stated that if I brought
him the tube and if it was not physically damaged, R/S would replace
it - typically within 21 days.

So, there it is. He must have called the home office. But at no time
was he either skeptical or hostile.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA


Thanks Peter,
I might try to return the "leaky" 7199's I have, as long as I don't
receive Sovtek replacements... I should try them in the ST-70 just for
giggles..

Regards,
Sal Brisindi

[GeneK]

"flipper" wrote...
To begin with, you wouldn't be so lost as to who said and meant what
if you had read the context you snipped out.

The OP was claiming that when the thing wears out it will not be
replaced because that was it's 'lifetime'.

I think you're the one who's a bit lost. The OP made no such
claim, but merely asked if the "lifetime warranty" would be
honored.

The 'end result' of what you say is what I was trying to explain to
him but how you get there is not correct.

I suggest you check with a lawyer. I write product documents
(including warranty statements) for a living, and have some
10 years of lawyers picking what I write apart to go on.

A 'lifetime' warranty is almost never the 'life' of the thing being
warranted but is, instead, tied to the original owner and/or (usually
both) the thing it's used in. As in 'non transferable'.

If the warranty says that, yes. In this case, the text quoted
makes no mention of the life of the purchaser, nor does it
say that the warranty is not transferable (if a warranty
does not state such limitations, they don't exist). It *does*
tie "lifetime" to the life of the set the tube is used in, but
as I and others have recounted, RS hasn't been asking for
any evidence that the tube has been continually in the
same piece of equipment, most likely because they know
it would be impossible to produce and would make it
appear as if the company is trying to be weasely as to its
warranties. Bad PR, if not legally indefensible.

Trying to define 'lifetime' as the lifetime of the device being
warranted leads to the useless interpretation that when it 'dies' it's
'lifetime' ended and so did the 'lifetime' warranty, because it's
dead.

That's almost correct. The "lifetime" warranty on the purchased
and dead item ends when you turn that item in to be replaced with
a new one. The replacement item comes with its own warranty.

Neither is a prorated warranty, like 'X miles' on tires.

Not by time, but by miles, merely another limitation. One
could substitute some other measure of use, such as hours
of operation, but since electronic gear doesn't come with
use timers analagous to car odometers, it'd be another
impossible demand.

And always exist because, otherwise, 'lifetime' would mean the
'lifetime' of the part and would 'end' when the part dies. Which was
the OP's argument and a clearly useless one because it essentially
says "I warrant the thing until it's broke', and then you buy another
one..

No, it says, "I warrant the thing until it's broke and then I
replace it." Note that nowhere in the text quoted does it
say "never buy another tube," or "we'll replace one tube
after another." The warranty says that if "lifetime" tubes
fail, they'll replace them, period. And they do. They
simply don't replace them with new "lifetime" tubes
anymore because they're no longer available.

What made it unusually good is that you could get replacement tubes
for as long as you and the device it was originally put in 'live',
I.E. a 'lifetime', despite how many 'tube lifetimes' expired.

There is nothing in the text that says tube after tube. The
tube you buy is replaced under warranty. If you got
another "lifetime" tube you got another "lifetime" warranty.
Do you really think that if the warranty meant "replace
tube after tube, forever" some litigious "lifetime" tube
owner wouldn't have sued them by now to enforce it?

Gene

[Peter Wieck]

On Oct 30, 8:06 pm, Sal Brisindi wrote:
Peter Wieck wrote:
On Oct 28, 8:30 pm, Jon Yaeger wrote:

You never know what you'll get. I got some nice NOS tubes with one batch,
and a Russian 7591A in another.

Just for a giggle, I called the R/S that was both an in-line (that is,
not a Mall Store) and most proximate to us. The manager asked to call
me back. 10 minutes later, he called back and stated that if I brought
him the tube and if it was not physically damaged, R/S would replace
it - typically within 21 days.

So, there it is. He must have called the home office. But at no time
was he either skeptical or hostile.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

Thanks Peter,
I might try to return the "leaky" 7199's I have, as long as I don't
receive Sovtek replacements... I should try them in the ST-70 just for
giggles..

Regards,
Sal Brisindi- Hide quoted text -

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I have nearly a dozen 7199s lying around. If I get to Parsippany, I
will bring a clutch.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[GeneK]

"Peter Wieck" wrote...

Just for a giggle, I called the R/S that was both an in-line (that is,
not a Mall Store) and most proximate to us. The manager asked to call
me back. 10 minutes later, he called back and stated that if I brought
him the tube and if it was not physically damaged, R/S would replace
it - typically within 21 days.

So, there it is. He must have called the home office. But at no time
was he either skeptical or hostile.

What I'm curious about is exactly what RS does when they get
the tubes. Do they ship them to some warehouse in Ft. Worth
where the last working tube tester in America is preserved in
a vault, or do they just take the customer's word for it that the
tube is dead and tell the store to trash the old ones?

Gene

[GeneK]

"flipper" wrote..

And 99% of all that was little more than a diversion because the topic
was the 'generic' meaning of the typical 'lifetime warranty'. Or, as
the flowery accompanying sales text sometimes reads "the last insert
product you'll ever need (to buy)."

Since you apparently will not be convinced until you
try to sue RS for not replacing your tubes over and
over again with non-RS tubes and lose, I'm not going
to waste any more time with you. The subject of the
thread was "Will Radio Shack still honor Lifetime
tubes?" The answer is yes.

Gene

[Peter Wieck]

On Oct 30, 11:38 pm, "GeneK" wrote:

What I'm curious about is exactly what RS does when they get
the tubes. Do they ship them to some warehouse in Ft. Worth
where the last working tube tester in America is preserved in
a vault, or do they just take the customer's word for it that the
tube is dead and tell the store to trash the old ones?

Gene:

A large percentage of the denizens of this NG have "working" tube
testers. Some of them even have very good ones. That aside, I suspect
that R/S has a working relationship with any of several present
suppliers starting with AES from which they obtain what they need.
Keep in mind that about every tube as was ever made is still available
- it is only money. Of that universe, R/S put the "Lifetime" trademark
on a much smaller representative group, typically commonly used then
and now. But as to whether they bother to verify - get real! That they
get the old tube is enough punishment to any customer silly enough to
test the warranty.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[GeneK]

"Peter Wieck" wrote in message oups.com...

A large percentage of the denizens of this NG have "working" tube
testers. Some of them even have very good ones.

Yes, I was engaging in a bit of fantasy about some tube tester with
the RS logo on it enshrined in a vault somewhere surrounded by
crates of tubes as in "Raiders of the Lost Ark."

Gene

[Dersu Uzala]

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:40:01 -0500, (Dersu Uzala) wrote:


We are talking about Radio Shack's actual policy, which as I previously
posted verbatim is "guaranteed to last as long as your set- or we will
replace
'em FREE", page 87, 1975 catalog. Therefore we are dealing with a
"guarantee",
whether you or the OP call it a warranty or not. Do you call an impedance
a
resistance? Samething, right? Measured in ohms, an' stuff, right?

On what are you basing your interpretation of "warranty" and
"guarantee?"

More than 10 years experince selling retail.

That might explain where you got the interpretation but it doesn't
explain what you're basing it on.

In law, "guarantee" is a third party 'guaranteeing' the action of
another, such as parents, the guarantor, cosigning a loan with their
(of age) child and stipulating that if the child does not pay then
they will. (I mention parent-child only because a that is often who a
young person just starting out in life can get to provide such
'guarantee'.)

A 'promise of remedy' between two parties, e.g. buyer and seller, is a
Warranty by the seller.

The 'retail experience' notion may come from 'guaranteeing' the
performance, life, or whatever, of a product by offering a 'Warranty'.
The product is, in essence, the 'third party' you are 'guaranteeing'
will 'do something' and the Warranty is the promised remedy if it does
not.

Nope. As a young inexperienced salesman, I told a customer that an item was
guaranteed for X years. The Boss told me not to use that word,as the item was
actally had a warranty. For example, I bought a VHS movie that was guaranteed
to be of "highest quality". It was recorded at the 6-hour tape speed, and
therefore, not the highest quality. I was refused a refund or store credit. I
went to the Mall Office to get the tel. number of the main office of the chain
store. They, the Mall folks called the store, and the store called their home
office, and I got a refund. A warranty would have gotten me a replacement
tape.

[Sal Brisindi]

Peter Wieck wrote:


I have nearly a dozen 7199s lying around. If I get to Parsippany, I
will bring a clutch.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA


Peter,
No need to bring the 7199's as I have a few spares,

Hope to see you in Parsippany this Saturday.

Thanks,
Sal