I have two Russian Svetlana made EL34's with their boxes at home.
Is there an easy way to test that they function properly (without
putting them in an amp, I don't own a tube amp), and what is their
market value assuming they are in good working order?
Obviously I know little about tubes, I play unamplified acoustic
instruments, but I'd like to be able to tell a buyer whether or not
they work.

thanks,
Brian

"Brian"

I have two Russian Svetlana made EL34's with their boxes at home.
Is there an easy way to test that they function properly (without
putting them in an amp,


** No.


I don't own a tube amp), and what is their
market value assuming they are in good working order?


** Bugger all of they are used.

Zilch if they are duds.



.......... Phil

Brian wrote:

I have two Russian Svetlana made EL34's with their boxes at home.
Is there an easy way to test that they function properly (without
putting them in an amp, I don't own a tube amp), and what is their
market value assuming they are in good working order?
Obviously I know little about tubes, I play unamplified acoustic
instruments, but I'd like to be able to tell a buyer whether or not
they work.

thanks,
Brian

If you have an ohmmeter/multimeter you can test for filament continuity
between pins two and seven - count from the key on the spigot. Other
than that you are going to need a lot of kit that you won't have unless
you are into electronics (high voltage psu, heater supply, bias supply
etc.)

New in box go for $10-15. Ebay or commercial sites.

Andy

thanks! Maybe I can find an amp repair shop that could test them for
me, if they'll do it free of charge. I don't want to pay more than
they're worth to see if they work.

On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:12:39 GMT, Andy Cowley
wrote:

Brian wrote:

I have two Russian Svetlana made EL34's with their boxes at home.
Is there an easy way to test that they function properly (without
putting them in an amp, I don't own a tube amp), and what is their
market value assuming they are in good working order?
Obviously I know little about tubes, I play unamplified acoustic
instruments, but I'd like to be able to tell a buyer whether or not
they work.

thanks,
Brian

If you have an ohmmeter/multimeter you can test for filament continuity
between pins two and seven - count from the key on the spigot. Other
than that you are going to need a lot of kit that you won't have unless
you are into electronics (high voltage psu, heater supply, bias supply
etc.)

New in box go for $10-15. Ebay or commercial sites.

Andy

"Brian"
thanks! Maybe I can find an amp repair shop that could test them for
me, if they'll do it free of charge. I don't want to pay more than
they're worth to see if they work.



** It they are clearly new tubes - you sell them as such.

If they are clearly used tubes - then stop wasting people's time !!!




............ Phil

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...

"Brian"
thanks! Maybe I can find an amp repair shop that could test them for
me, if they'll do it free of charge. I don't want to pay more than
they're worth to see if they work.



** It they are clearly new tubes - you sell them as such.

If they are clearly used tubes - then stop wasting people's time !!!


It was a perfectly fair question, and wasted nobody's time.

Brian. Keep the tubes - you may fancy building an amp some day:-)


Iain

"Iain Churches"

"Phil Allison"

"Brian"
thanks! Maybe I can find an amp repair shop that could test them for
me, if they'll do it free of charge. I don't want to pay more than
they're worth to see if they work.



** It they are clearly new tubes - you sell them as such.

If they are clearly used tubes - then stop wasting people's time !!!


It was a perfectly fair question,


** Yawn.


and wasted nobody's time.


** Puke .................


Brian. Keep the tubes - you may fancy building an amp some day:-)



** A stupid reply from a brainless pommy **** that wastes everybody's time.




........... Phil

I have no idea if they are used or new, and don't know how to tell.

Oh, and if you don't want to waste your time, you can always just hit
the good 'ol [delete] button instead of reading the post.


On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 11:17:00 +1100, "Phil Allison"
wrote:


"Brian"
thanks! Maybe I can find an amp repair shop that could test them for
me, if they'll do it free of charge. I don't want to pay more than
they're worth to see if they work.



** It they are clearly new tubes - you sell them as such.

If they are clearly used tubes - then stop wasting people's time !!!




........... Phil

On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:50:14 +1100, "Phil Allison"
wrote:


"Iain Churches"

"Phil Allison"

"Brian"
thanks! Maybe I can find an amp repair shop that could test them for
me, if they'll do it free of charge. I don't want to pay more than
they're worth to see if they work.



** It they are clearly new tubes - you sell them as such.

If they are clearly used tubes - then stop wasting people's time !!!


It was a perfectly fair question,


** Yawn.


and wasted nobody's time.


** Puke .................


Brian. Keep the tubes - you may fancy building an amp some day:-)



** A stupid reply from a brainless pommy **** that wastes everybody's time.




.......... Phil




what the hell's wrong with you?

"Brian" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 22:50:14 +1100, "Phil Allison"
wrote:


"Iain Churches"

"Phil Allison"

"Brian"
thanks! Maybe I can find an amp repair shop that could test them for
me, if they'll do it free of charge. I don't want to pay more than
they're worth to see if they work.



** It they are clearly new tubes - you sell them as such.

If they are clearly used tubes - then stop wasting people's time !!!


It was a perfectly fair question,


** Yawn.


and wasted nobody's time.


** Puke .................


Brian. Keep the tubes - you may fancy building an amp some day:-)



** A stupid reply from a brainless pommy **** that wastes everybody's
time.




.......... Phil

what the hell's wrong with you?

Don't worry, Brian. That's our Phil. Master of wit and repartee:-)

To test your valves would take about 30seconds each.
I am sure there is someone here who could do it for free for
you. I would be happy to help you but I live in Scandinavia!
Where abouts are you?

Iain

Iain

Phil:

You have a point.

However, if you comb your hair *JUST* right, perhaps no one will
notice.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

Phil Allison wrote:

"Iain Churches"

"Phil Allison"

"Brian"
thanks! Maybe I can find an amp repair shop that could test them for
me, if they'll do it free of charge. I don't want to pay more than
they're worth to see if they work.



** It they are clearly new tubes - you sell them as such.

If they are clearly used tubes - then stop wasting people's time !!!


It was a perfectly fair question,

** Yawn.

and wasted nobody's time.

** Puke .................

Brian. Keep the tubes - you may fancy building an amp some day:-)

** A stupid reply from a brainless pommy **** that wastes everybody's time.

.......... Phil

There has not been a constructive post from you about anything in a month,
just lies about phone calls, attempts to dig up dirt and bandy it around the
world,
and continued insults to undeserving ppl such as Iain as above.

Patrick Turner.

"Brian"

what the hell's wrong with you?



** Hey - you dumb**** TROLL.

Explain why you refuse to say if those Ruskie EL34s are used or not.




......... Phil

"Iain Churches"


To test your valves would take about 30seconds each.



** Says a criminal pommy MORON who has NO idea what such testing involves.





............ Phil

"Brian"
I have no idea if they are used or new, and don't know how to tell.


** Do they look new ??

All shiny and clean with no marks, scratches or dust ?

Are the boxes in perfect condition ?

How did you come by them ?

It is not rocket science to say if something looks "new".



.......... Phil

"Patrick Turner"


** The demented Turneroid autistic is a criminal psychopath and a malicious
LIAR !!


There has not been a constructive post from you about anything in a month,


** The demented Turneroid autistic is a criminal psychopath and a monstrous
LIAR .


just lies about phone calls, attempts to dig up dirt and bandy it around
the
world,


** Are you going to register your business name OR continue to break the
law - Turner ?

You seem to be rather PRONE to breaking laws.


and continued insults to undeserving ppl such as Iain as above.



** Churches is a brainless pommy troll & a complelt phoney - he needs
dealing with.




............ Phil

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...

"Iain Churches"


To test your valves would take about 30seconds each.



** Says a criminal pommy MORON who has NO idea what such testing involves.

Hello Phil. Nice to see another of your informative and constructive posts.
I have an AvoCT160:

http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches/Pics/AVO.CT160.jpg

I use it almost daily.

Best regards,
Iain

Yo, Twit:

Your ignorance is only exceeded by your arrogance, which is a close run
thing as the former is more and more obvious.

I have a Hickok 539B. Tests plate, grid and filament currents as well
as GMHOs-to-bias (if applicable). With additional instruments, much
more. Also "Life" tests, but even most emissions testers do that just
fine. Last I heard, the better AVO testers were at least capable of the
above.

Perhaps a bit more than 30 seconds, But under two minutes anyway.

Get a life... preferably away from here.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

"Iain Churches"
Phil Allison"



To test your valves would take about 30seconds each.


** Says a criminal pommy MORON who has NO idea what such testing
involves.

Hello Phil.



** **** off - you vile, narcissistic ******.


Nice to see another of your informative and constructive posts.


** Shame you will never post any such posts.



I have an AvoCT160:

I use it almost daily.



** Shame you are quite unaware of its severe limitations.

YOU have no idea HOW to tests a valve like the EL34 for troubles.

A "characteristic curve" meter is 100% USELESS for that.




......... Phil

Peter Weike = very dangerous ****WIT & antique radio puke


Yo, Twit:


** You are a criminal lump of garbage.

Weike on himself:

" My ignorance is only exceeded by my arrogance, which is a close run
thing as the former is more and more obvious. "


You have NO idea how to test a Svetlana EL34 for possible troubles and
DEFECTS.

You have less than ZERO knowledge on electrical safety and posted info here
that if followed could prove LETHAL to reader.

Go to HELL and rot - you moronic septic tank asshole.




.......... Phil

Phil Allison wrote:
So philthy having a good time ?
We expect to see you soon .

Phil Allison wrote:



Peter Weike = very dangerous ****WIT & antique radio puke

Yo, Twit:

** You are a criminal lump of garbage.

Weike on himself:

" My ignorance is only exceeded by my arrogance, which is a close run
thing as the former is more and more obvious. "

You have NO idea how to test a Svetlana EL34 for possible troubles and
DEFECTS.

You have less than ZERO knowledge on electrical safety and posted info here
that if followed could prove LETHAL to reader.

Go to HELL and rot - you moronic septic tank asshole.

......... Phil

Phil, if this is your idea of gentle persuasion to swing the recipients
of your post around to what you consider to be better way of
testing tubes, then we'd all be loathe to hear you when you get nasty.

Directing ppl to septic tanks won't improve the standards of tubecraft.

Are you here to inform, or just here to portray everyone as sewerage?

You speak with words that are like the contents of the aforementioned tank,
so don't be surprised that eveyone thinks you are
the moron, the arch jerk, etc.

I don't use tube testers, but I do eaxamine their complete operation
in a circuit with meters and a CRO.



Patrick Turner.

Oh, come on Patrick! You already know that answer.

Phil is the god of all things Audio, the core and font of all received
knowledge and the avatar to which we all aspire. Since we as mere
mortals will never achieve such heights of wisdom, we may as well not
bother. So, from here and ever after, I will worship Phil from afar by
entirely ignoring him and leaving him to bask in his own godhead. I am
sure that he will grow to ever greater wisdom and glory if we all do
the same. There would be no annoyances to divert him from his
self-contemplation... And he would never have to lower himself to
interacting with the simple folk.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...

"Iain Churches"

To test your valves would take about 30seconds each.


** Says a criminal pommy MORON who has NO idea what such testing
involves.

Nice to see another of your informative and constructive posts.

I have an AvoCT160:

I use it almost daily.

** Shame you are quite unaware of its severe limitations.

YOU have no idea HOW to tests a valve like the EL34 for troubles.

A "characteristic curve" meter is 100% USELESS for that.

I can appreciate that for what you do, repairing toasters and electric
kettles, an AVO CT160 is not a very useful piece of equipment.

For building tube amps, which is what I do, it is extremely useful,
and very quick. I would not be without it.

Iain

"Iain Churches"
"Phil Allison"

To test your valves would take about 30seconds each.


** Says a criminal pommy MORON who has NO idea what such testing
involves.

Nice to see another of your informative and constructive posts.

I have an AvoCT160:

I use it almost daily.

** Shame you are quite unaware of its severe limitations.

YOU have no idea HOW to tests a valve like the EL34 for troubles.

A "characteristic curve" meter is 100% USELESS for that.


I can appreciate that for what you do, repairing toasters and electric
kettles, an AVO CT160 is not a very useful piece of equipment.


** You have no appreciation of anything - you lying, brainless vagina.



For building tube amps, which is what I do, it is extremely useful,
and very quick. I would not be without it.


** That is a comment on your own ignorance.

Not one tiny thing to do with the question.




............ Phil

"Patrick Turner"


** **** off - you vile autistic, psychopath.




......... Phil

Peter Weike = very dangerous ****WIT & antique radio puke

** You are a criminal lump of garbage.

Weike on himself:

" My ignorance is only exceeded by my arrogance, which is a close run
thing as the former is more and more obvious. "


You have NO idea how to test a Svetlana EL34 for possible troubles and
DEFECTS.

You have less than ZERO knowledge on electrical safety and posted info here
that if followed could prove LETHAL to reader.

Go to HELL and rot - you moronic septic tank asshole.




.......... Phil

Phil Allison wrote:

"Patrick Turner"

** **** off - you vile autistic, psychopath.

........ Phil

I shall do no such thing and will make appropriate statements
about your attrocious netiquette and other behaviour whenever I see fit.

Did you read all the replies to your posts today?
One even hoped some space junk would land on you.

Patrick Turner.

Phil Allison wrote:



Peter Weike = very dangerous ****WIT & antique radio puke

** You are a criminal lump of garbage.

Weike on himself:

" My ignorance is only exceeded by my arrogance, which is a close run
thing as the former is more and more obvious. "

You have NO idea how to test a Svetlana EL34 for possible troubles and
DEFECTS.

You have less than ZERO knowledge on electrical safety and posted info here
that if followed could prove LETHAL to reader.

Go to HELL and rot - you moronic septic tank asshole.

Well Phil, you don't have any idea either or else ya woulda said so
instead of all that anti personal twaddle.

Patrick Turner.



......... Phil

"Patrick Turner"


** **** off - you sick autistic, psychopath.




......... Phil

"Patrick Turner"


** **** off - you vile autistic, psychopath.

YOUR behaviour is far worse than atrocious.

It is outright, bloody CRIMINAL.





......... Phil

wrote in message
oups.com...
Yo, Twit:

Your ignorance is only exceeded by your arrogance, which is a close run
thing as the former is more and more obvious.

I have a Hickok 539B. Tests plate, grid and filament currents as well
as GMHOs-to-bias (if applicable). With additional instruments, much
more. Also "Life" tests, but even most emissions testers do that just
fine. Last I heard, the better AVO testers were at least capable of the
above.

Perhaps a bit more than 30 seconds, But under two minutes anyway.

Get a life... preferably away from here.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA


Hli Peter!

It remains unclear whom you were addressing. I hope it was not
me:-)

Once the roller switches on the AVO CT160 have been set up,
for a batch of EL34s, it is possible to test a valve in 30secs.

This particular unit is simple and quick to use, as it was designed
for use by the military, and also the ladies in floral aprons and
hairnets that were such an important part of British electronic
assembly lines in the 40s, 50s, and 60,s.


Regards
Iain
www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches

T'wasn't you, Iain.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
...

To test your valves would take about 30 seconds each.

LOL!

You really are blind to the problems of tubes, aren't you Iain?

"Iain Churches"

"Arny Krueger"
To test your valves would take about 30 seconds each.

LOL!

You really are blind to the problems of tubes, aren't you Iain?



** Blind, stupid and PIG ignorant.

Same as any other fader jerk / studio rat moron.


I test all my valves with the AVO CT160 according to the
routines in the manual. This has never let me down.


** Yawn.

As if a complete wally like Iain is the judge of anything.



** Iain. Why do you bother to post on RAT at all?

Your posts never contain anything FACTUAL !!!.

WORSE - you disparage and libel the tiny few experts who do post here.

**** OFF - MASTURBATOR !!!




........... Phil

Phil Allison wrote:

"Iain Churches"

"Arny Krueger"
To test your valves would take about 30 seconds each.

LOL!

You really are blind to the problems of tubes, aren't you Iain?


** Blind, stupid and PIG ignorant.

Same as any other fader jerk / studio rat moron.

I test all my valves with the AVO CT160 according to the
routines in the manual. This has never let me down.

** Yawn.

As if a complete wally like Iain is the judge of anything.

** Iain. Why do you bother to post on RAT at all?

Your posts never contain anything FACTUAL !!!.

WORSE - you disparage and libel the tiny few experts who do post here.

**** OFF - MASTURBATOR !!!

.......... Phil

Be so kind as to make sure you get a fresh script for your anti
angst medication for the christmas break.

The meds usually destroy your sex drive, and will stop you masturbating,
but you do it every day all over us with silly words.

Wave to Santa as he passes by your house.....

Patrick Turner.

"Patrick Turner"


** The Turneroid, congenital LIAR is a net stalking

CRIMINAL & PUBLIC MENACE.


He needs a visit to 1 Adams Place Canberra, ACT by the Federal Police.

At Christmas.





......... Phil

Phil Allison wrote:

"Patrick Turner"

** The Turneroid, congenital LIAR is a net stalking

CRIMINAL & PUBLIC MENACE.

He needs a visit to 1 Adams Place Canberra, ACT by the Federal Police.

At Christmas.

........ Phil

Yeah, they are most welcome, a fine body of men,
and we may discuss the best method to
limit your most foul net manners.

Patrick Turner.

Turneroid Mongoloid Scum



** The Turneroid, is a congenital LIAR and net stalking

CRIMINAL PUBLIC MENACE

He needs a visit to 1 Adams Place Canberra, ACT by the Federal Police.

At Christmas.



Yeah, they are most welcome,



** The Turneroid SCUMBAG will likely be arrested and charged with a
serious FEDERAL CRIMINAL OFFENCE.

One that carries several years in jail.

That is where he ought to be.

In the psychatriatric section.




.......... Phil

Phil Allison wrote:

Turneroid Mongoloid Scum

** The Turneroid, is a congenital LIAR and net stalking

CRIMINAL PUBLIC MENACE

He needs a visit to 1 Adams Place Canberra, ACT by the Federal Police.

At Christmas.

Yeah, they are most welcome,

** The Turneroid SCUMBAG will likely be arrested and charged with a
serious FEDERAL CRIMINAL OFFENCE.

One that carries several years in jail.

That is where he ought to be.

In the psychatriatric section.

......... Phil

You are dreaming again, and got all your mind in a muddle.
Everyone knows what your'e sayin, why youv'e said it a million times.

I note your attrocious netiquette where you snip, and add mindless
insults, and insert incorrect and inappropriate character assessments.

It will win you no friends and influence nobody.
(Sometimes I have to remind you about this more than once, your memory
and hearing is selective.)

Maybe that's what you really want, to be utterly despised?

Its a pity, because between your ears, lost in there somewhere,
is a fella who knows useful things.

But at least while nothing you say has any credibility or substance, you
are harmless.

Try to think of two things before you post next time:-

Being cheerful,

No BS.



Patrick Turner