Anybody interested ??

WELL, ****IN' FIND OUT, THEN..... !!!!!!.......

ARSES OFF SEATS AND DO SOMETHING !!!!!!!!
PRETEND YOU'RE ****IN' BRITISH, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE ....!!!!!!!!!

This guy could be terminal, Shaz is sitting,.........waiting....

RAT is, as usual, doing, ..... **** ALL !!!!!! What a fantastic group
of guys, you all, are......

JESUS CHRIST ..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


GET OFf YOUR ****IN' ARSES !!!!!!!!!!!

IF IT NEEDS PRIVATE MEDCARE,.... I HAVE A BIG DEBIT CARD ...............

Anybody want to stand behind me and pick up the bill ???

The NG want to see this guy get well ? yes/no ?? .............
or..... you just goin' to sit there and think it's somebody else's
problem.....

jim

In article , "Jim McDonald"
wrote:

GET OFf YOUR ****IN' ARSES !!!!!!!!!!!

IF IT NEEDS PRIVATE MEDCARE,.... I HAVE A BIG DEBIT CARD ...............

I thought Canada had socialized medicine to take care of people, why is
there a problem? Isn't socialized medicine all it is cracked up to be?

Anybody want to stand behind me and pick up the bill ???

What is the problem with the bill? I have enough medical bills to pay already.


Regards,

John Byrns


Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/

Sander deWaal wrote:


It's good to be involved, but I don't quite get what you want to
accomplish with this post.


I think he is trying to make you more british 8)

Regards,
Kimjand

"Jim McDonald" said:

Anybody interested ??

WELL, ****IN' FIND OUT, THEN..... !!!!!!.......

ARSES OFF SEATS AND DO SOMETHING !!!!!!!!
PRETEND YOU'RE ****IN' BRITISH, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE ....!!!!!!!!!

This guy could be terminal, Shaz is sitting,.........waiting....

RAT is, as usual, doing, ..... **** ALL !!!!!! What a fantastic group
of guys, you all, are......

JESUS CHRIST ..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


GET OFf YOUR ****IN' ARSES !!!!!!!!!!!

IF IT NEEDS PRIVATE MEDCARE,.... I HAVE A BIG DEBIT CARD ...............

Anybody want to stand behind me and pick up the bill ???

The NG want to see this guy get well ? yes/no ?? .............
or..... you just goin' to sit there and think it's somebody else's
problem.....

jim

What's this about, Jim?
Doesn't his insurance cover the necessary treatment?
And if so, did he tell you?

It's good to be involved, but I don't quite get what you want to
accomplish with this post.

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

"Jim McDonald" wrote in message
...
Anybody interested ??

WELL, ****IN' FIND OUT, THEN..... !!!!!!.......

ARSES OFF SEATS AND DO SOMETHING !!!!!!!!
PRETEND YOU'RE ****IN' BRITISH, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE ....!!!!!!!!!

This guy could be terminal, Shaz is sitting,.........waiting....

RAT is, as usual, doing, ..... **** ALL !!!!!! What a fantastic group
of guys, you all, are......

JESUS CHRIST ..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


GET OFf YOUR ****IN' ARSES !!!!!!!!!!!

IF IT NEEDS PRIVATE MEDCARE,.... I HAVE A BIG DEBIT CARD ...............

Anybody want to stand behind me and pick up the bill ???

The NG want to see this guy get well ? yes/no ?? .............
or..... you just goin' to sit there and think it's somebody else's
problem.....

jim

MISSED TAKING YOUR OWN ****IN' MEDICINE TO-****IN'-DAY, JIM????????

A little civility might help .......

Behold, John Byrns signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:

In article , "Jim McDonald"
wrote:

GET OFf YOUR ****IN' ARSES !!!!!!!!!!!

IF IT NEEDS PRIVATE MEDCARE,.... I HAVE A BIG DEBIT CARD
...............

I thought Canada had socialized medicine to take care of people, why is
there a problem? Isn't socialized medicine all it is cracked up to be?

We do have socialized medicine and a government program called
"Pharmicare" that pays for your prescription pills to boot. Ours is one of
the top-three best systems in the world, as crummy as it can be at times.

Anybody want to stand behind me and pick up the bill ???

What is the problem with the bill? I have enough medical bills to pay
already.

No bill. FREE. Canadians do not pay for treatment unless it's peripheral
treatment (cosmetic surgery, or stuff that requires you to be flown 3/4
around the world to get that has nothing to do with saving your life)

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca

Jim, Jim, calm down!

I see you misunderstand things a wee.

Fred is getting the best care we can give him

He does not pay for ANY medical services, our govt. does.

He does not pay for ANY pills, our govt. does.

He is on disability and is getting money for his lost wages.

His wife has been granted medical leave, getting her wages and can be at
Fred's side 24/7.

Fred "feels" our love, but has chosen to not communicate until he is
ready. The "wounded tom-cat" thing....he will be back.

Many of us here are personal friends with him and we aren't lying when we
say - "we can't get ahold of him, but last call he was OK"

I love the guy like a big brother, so I understand how upset you are.

Patientce......

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca

Gregg wrote:

Jim, Jim, calm down!

My sentiments entirely.

I am not at all sure of Fred's predicament but he wouldn't want any of us to
be hysterical
about a medical condition which could be threatening.

Last year I was threatened with a heart problem and while I happily lay in
the
emergency ward of the hospital, I thought I may not get out of the place,
but I didn't really mind what my Maker had in mind for me.
A friend bought in a chess set so we could play awhile, which astonished the
car accident victims
as they were wheeled past.
The nurses were very attractive.
I'm sure there will be other threats along the way, and at least one that
will defeat
my attempts to stay alive, and when that comes along, i'll just accept it,
and die.
I'll probably die alone, but knowing all my customers valued me, and I hope I
don't trouble too many folks
by leaving them behind to struggle on alone.

I hope the God Of Triodes welcomes me to his workshop in the sky,
where I can experiment with diode detectors for as long as I like without
having to earn a living, and I can then put up with John Byrns wafting over
on his cloud to tell me my detector buffer idea is unintelligent. I will hand
him a glass of Heaven's Nectar, and be able to let him
listen to my creations, and I am sure his work on radios will be enjoyable to
behold.

If I meet Fred when I get there, I will be able to compare notes free of the
earthly anxiety
and fears we are prone to having while we are here.

I heard they have a fabulous band up there where every instrument is played,
and each one comes with easy to learn instructions, and supporting cloud.
And best of all the Conductor is such a pleasant and tolerant man.

Perhaps there is nothing after death, and that idea don't worry me either.
Its nice to stay for a long stay, but we just were not meant to stay forever.

We have a "free" medicare system here.
I paid not a cent for my medical care directly,
but I have paid indirectly through my taxes for 45 years so far.

Don't get the idea medical services are free, they are not, a country's
people
pay for the social services they consume.

But unlike some countries, I don't have to sell my house to get a pair of
knee replacement joints,
or a heart operation to let my mother live a few more years.
The system here has evolved to remove the financial trauma resulting from
illness.

I wish the best for Fred, I hope he rejoins our throng of tube enthusiasts
again soon,
but if not, I'll catch up with him up yonder.

Patrick Turner.






I see you misunderstand things a wee.

Fred is getting the best care we can give him

He does not pay for ANY medical services, our govt. does.

He does not pay for ANY pills, our govt. does.

He is on disability and is getting money for his lost wages.

His wife has been granted medical leave, getting her wages and can be at
Fred's side 24/7.

Fred "feels" our love, but has chosen to not communicate until he is
ready. The "wounded tom-cat" thing....he will be back.

Many of us here are personal friends with him and we aren't lying when we
say - "we can't get ahold of him, but last call he was OK"

I love the guy like a big brother, so I understand how upset you are.

Patientce......

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca

Gregg wrote:

No bill. FREE. Canadians do not pay for treatment

The sad ****in' thing is, y'all *believe* that.

*Somebody* pays for it. It ain't free. You think
the goddamn Med Fairy miracles it away for
ya?

Socialists are *hilarious*.


Lord Valve
American

"Gregg" wrote in message
news:O%FGc.611$eO.485@edtnps89...
Jim, Jim, calm down!

I see you misunderstand things a wee.

Fred is getting the best care we can give him

He does not pay for ANY medical services, our govt. does.

He does not pay for ANY pills, our govt. does.

He is on disability and is getting money for his lost wages.

His wife has been granted medical leave, getting her wages and can be at
Fred's side 24/7.

Fred "feels" our love, but has chosen to not communicate until he is
ready. The "wounded tom-cat" thing....he will be back.

Many of us here are personal friends with him and we aren't lying when we
say - "we can't get ahold of him, but last call he was OK"

I love the guy like a big brother, so I understand how upset you are.

Patientce......

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca



Gregg, everybody....

My apologies if I have upset anybody.... sure I get upset. I have had many
private and group conversations with the guy
and the idea of sitting here waiting does me no good at all. What was the
point of the post ? Motivation. Sure health care is free, but I doubt
Tony Blair or George Dubya use it.... Our health care is free but we
frequently hear of patients being denied the very best treatment because it
costs too much. Better health care costs money....... as a group could we
be doing anything ? No communication/no news guess there's nothing
anybody can do .. **** !!!

My apologies once again

kind regards
jim

Lord Valve said:

No bill. FREE. Canadians do not pay for treatment

The sad ****in' thing is, y'all *believe* that.

Nobody is so naive to beleive that.

*Somebody* pays for it. It ain't free. You think
the goddamn Med Fairy miracles it away for
ya?

We pay for basical med care through taxes, when one wants more one can
get it by additional insurance.

Socialists are *hilarious*.

They have some good ideas sometimes.

Lord Valve
American

Shouldn't that be "Lord Tube" then?

--
Sander deWaal
Vacuum Audio Consultancy

Behold, Lord Valve signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:

Gregg wrote:

No bill. FREE. Canadians do not pay for treatment

The sad ****in' thing is, y'all *believe* that.

*Somebody* pays for it. It ain't free. You think the goddamn Med Fairy
miracles it away for ya?

OK, you are right. The taxpayers do indeed pay for it. It was such a BIG
election issue here, we have made a unanimous voice as a people saying we
do not mind our tax money going for this stuff. We will even accept a tax
increase if we have guarantees that the money *will* go to healthcare....

Socialists are *hilarious*.

I'm found out, I have been discovered - I am a Marxist-Leninist Party of
Canada member ;-p

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca

Gregg wrote:

Behold, Lord Valve signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:

Gregg wrote:

No bill. FREE. Canadians do not pay for treatment

The sad ****in' thing is, y'all *believe* that.

*Somebody* pays for it. It ain't free. You think the goddamn Med Fairy
miracles it away for ya?

OK, you are right. The taxpayers do indeed pay for it. It was such a BIG
election issue here, we have made a unanimous voice as a people saying we
do not mind our tax money going for this stuff. We will even accept a tax
increase if we have guarantees that the money *will* go to healthcare....

Socialists are *hilarious*.

I'm found out, I have been discovered - I am a Marxist-Leninist Party of
Canada member ;-p

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca

We have a national conservative, ie right wing red-neck run guvmint
which would love to see the publicly owned and funded hospital and health care

system *all* privatised, so that the poor would be denied any treatments,
while the
the rich can afford the insurance premiums for the privately owned hospitals.
But hey, even when I was insured for awhile privately, I had to pay a huge
fee for an operation I had as well as pay the premium.
I would have been far better off under a public system.
An enormous % of everything I purchase goes to the guvmint in taxes, and I am
a low income earner. The guvmint says it has a $7.5billion surplus, and it
could well
fund better public hospital care for everyone *without* the the inclusion of
the obscene
profits made by the private medicos in their latest model Mercedes.
Since we have had a more lively Opposition Leader who tends to be socialist,
the Guvmint has stuck a few bells and whistles onto the Medicare show,
but its going to stay the same run down circus unless the Opposition win power

in the very near national election we a due to have.

The rich can well afford to subsidise the poor, by paying more % of their
earnings in taxes.
Business is run to take all that impost on business into account, and the
prices
we pay for goods and services from privately run companies include the greater
share
of taxes those rich companies have to pay.
So when I buy from companies, I pay their tax for them!

But hey, I just watched a TV show which outlined how over the last decade,
US companies have been avoiding coughing the usual 30% tax on profits by means
of tax minimization schemes,
and now they might be paying 15%, leaving the little people to fund their own
schools, universities and hospitals.
AFAIK, the prices charged by these companies has stayed put,
but returns to shareholders have boomed.
Companies keep two sets of books, one bullish one to present to the
stockmarket,
and the other a bear book, which is shown to the tax people, whose lives are
exceedingly
dreary because they are so understaffed, and deliberately so, since the Dubya
idea is
to try to avoid taxes like the plague, and Dubya seems to have facilitated
this idea.
Letting company tax take go down is a fun way to subsidise business,
especially if your family
is in big business.

So when I hear folks mouthing off at socialists, I know they are all bull****
and hot air.
Do those people prefer a system where *everything* is cash in advance, and
user pays,
no matter what it is?
So if a pauper breaks his leg, he's left in the gutter to die, eh?
Let the ******* crawl to a hospital and beg, hey, why not shoot him, and toss
him into the Hudson?

Usually the lame brained rednecks and blusterers against socialists
would all gladly hand their poor broken legged brother, or mother with a heart
condition
to a public taxpayer funded hospital for expensive treatment rather than raise
huge loans to pay
for the treatments.

I am fortunate indeed to live in a western country democracy.
There is a relatively fair go for all when it comes to health,
because if I break my leg, the public system is there to help for "free",
ie, no huge funds are required.
The rich are welcome to pay their insurance premiums to get
better percieved private hospital care if they want it, and should they
complain about
the millions of paupers wasting the taxes they don't pay,
and should they form guvmints to rule under such greedy morals,
then pity help the path of society under such ideas, because it rots at the
core.
Premiums for health insurance are rebated....

Our guvmints here in Oz are all Labour in all the states, ie, like the US
Democrats.
The only Guvmint which is Liberal, ie, like the Republicans,
is the Federal one run by John Howhard.
He does not appear to want to abolish public hospital funding in Oz with a key
stroke,
but little by little instead, in a mean and tricky form of attrition, while
appearing to do the exact opposite,
which is all of the art of being a clever politician whole has the spin
doctors to fool the public most of the time,
like they did over weapons of mass destruction.

Had I been able to get the knee op 18 mths before last january when I had it,
I would not have had to quit the workshop work for so long and be on the dole,

and the op would have been more effective.
This would have saved the taxpayer the equivalent cost of several operations.
The Guvmint has quotas for operations at public owned hospitals, and my knee
surgeon there
tells me he could easily form a bigger team for orthopeadic work, cut waiting
lists,
but the Guvmint won't let him.
A bigger slice of treatments could be done by the public hospital sector, but
that would
undermine the profitablility of the Guvmint mates in the MBA, Medical Bustard
Association.
When you next hear a rich guy wingeing about his taxes, and wingeing about
those poor folks,
and their sickness, kick him in th'ass willya!

Phew, that was a lotta OT.



I hope Fred is doin OK regardless of what sort of system he's attending.


Patrick Turner.

Hi RATs!

I got more new speex, the Wharfedale Califonia Evolution model 20 came up cheap
on uBid...

Wow! My system is even better than I imagined

May there be mercy in all of us for the poor *******s who try and tend our
plagues.

We are all going to die no matter what, but, we will keep yelling insults at
one another until the last.

Freedom to be a rude iconoclast is great, but, it is not required that we all
become rude iconoclasts.

I am fortunate to have a disease for which there is no treatment. Relieves me
of any thought I am getting short changed in this best of all possible worlds.

May you each find something you enjoy in your little fling on Earth

Even bitchin', if that floats your boat

Happy Ears!
Al


Alan J. Marcy
Phoenix, AZ

PWC/mystic/Earhead

Patrick Turner wrote:

Gregg wrote:

Behold, Lord Valve signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:

Gregg wrote:

No bill. FREE. Canadians do not pay for treatment

The sad ****in' thing is, y'all *believe* that.

*Somebody* pays for it. It ain't free. You think the goddamn Med Fairy
miracles it away for ya?

OK, you are right. The taxpayers do indeed pay for it. It was such a BIG
election issue here, we have made a unanimous voice as a people saying we
do not mind our tax money going for this stuff. We will even accept a tax
increase if we have guarantees that the money *will* go to healthcare....

Socialists are *hilarious*.

I'm found out, I have been discovered - I am a Marxist-Leninist Party of
Canada member ;-p

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca

We have a national conservative, ie right wing red-neck run guvmint
which would love to see the publicly owned and funded hospital and health care

system *all* privatised, so that the poor would be denied any treatments,
while the
the rich can afford the insurance premiums for the privately owned hospitals.
But hey, even when I was insured for awhile privately, I had to pay a huge
fee for an operation I had as well as pay the premium.
I would have been far better off under a public system.
An enormous % of everything I purchase goes to the guvmint in taxes, and I am
a low income earner. The guvmint says it has a $7.5billion surplus, and it
could well
fund better public hospital care for everyone *without* the the inclusion of
the obscene
profits made by the private medicos in their latest model Mercedes.
Since we have had a more lively Opposition Leader who tends to be socialist,
the Guvmint has stuck a few bells and whistles onto the Medicare show,
but its going to stay the same run down circus unless the Opposition win power

in the very near national election we a due to have.

The rich can well afford to subsidise the poor, by paying more % of their
earnings in taxes.
Business is run to take all that impost on business into account, and the
prices
we pay for goods and services from privately run companies include the greater
share
of taxes those rich companies have to pay.
So when I buy from companies, I pay their tax for them!

But hey, I just watched a TV show which outlined how over the last decade,
US companies have been avoiding coughing the usual 30% tax on profits by means
of tax minimization schemes,
and now they might be paying 15%, leaving the little people to fund their own
schools, universities and hospitals.
AFAIK, the prices charged by these companies has stayed put,
but returns to shareholders have boomed.
Companies keep two sets of books, one bullish one to present to the
stockmarket,
and the other a bear book, which is shown to the tax people, whose lives are
exceedingly
dreary because they are so understaffed, and deliberately so, since the Dubya
idea is
to try to avoid taxes like the plague, and Dubya seems to have facilitated
this idea.
Letting company tax take go down is a fun way to subsidise business,
especially if your family
is in big business.

So when I hear folks mouthing off at socialists, I know they are all bull****
and hot air.
Do those people prefer a system where *everything* is cash in advance, and
user pays,
no matter what it is?
So if a pauper breaks his leg, he's left in the gutter to die, eh?
Let the ******* crawl to a hospital and beg, hey, why not shoot him, and toss
him into the Hudson?

Usually the lame brained rednecks and blusterers against socialists
would all gladly hand their poor broken legged brother, or mother with a heart
condition
to a public taxpayer funded hospital for expensive treatment rather than raise
huge loans to pay
for the treatments.

I am fortunate indeed to live in a western country democracy.
There is a relatively fair go for all when it comes to health,
because if I break my leg, the public system is there to help for "free",
ie, no huge funds are required.
The rich are welcome to pay their insurance premiums to get
better percieved private hospital care if they want it, and should they
complain about
the millions of paupers wasting the taxes they don't pay,
and should they form guvmints to rule under such greedy morals,
then pity help the path of society under such ideas, because it rots at the
core.
Premiums for health insurance are rebated....

Our guvmints here in Oz are all Labour in all the states, ie, like the US
Democrats.
The only Guvmint which is Liberal, ie, like the Republicans,
is the Federal one run by John Howhard.
He does not appear to want to abolish public hospital funding in Oz with a key
stroke,
but little by little instead, in a mean and tricky form of attrition, while
appearing to do the exact opposite,
which is all of the art of being a clever politician whole has the spin
doctors to fool the public most of the time,
like they did over weapons of mass destruction.

Had I been able to get the knee op 18 mths before last january when I had it,
I would not have had to quit the workshop work for so long and be on the dole,

and the op would have been more effective.
This would have saved the taxpayer the equivalent cost of several operations.
The Guvmint has quotas for operations at public owned hospitals, and my knee
surgeon there
tells me he could easily form a bigger team for orthopeadic work, cut waiting
lists,
but the Guvmint won't let him.
A bigger slice of treatments could be done by the public hospital sector, but
that would
undermine the profitablility of the Guvmint mates in the MBA, Medical Bustard
Association.
When you next hear a rich guy wingeing about his taxes, and wingeing about
those poor folks,
and their sickness, kick him in th'ass willya!

Phew, that was a lotta OT.

I hope Fred is doin OK regardless of what sort of system he's attending.

Patrick Turner.


Like I said - socialists are *hilarious*.

Lord Valve
American

I lived in Canada for many years and love it up there.

I'm hearing that there are more private owned health care
businesses openning in Canada.

I know there are waiting lists for some operations, and
you may be totally denied by the goverment certain
procedures depending on the circumstances.

If more private medical care is becoming available now
up there I can understand why.

However, the medical system in Canada, does
provide good inexpensive care to the public in general.
I think the canadian goverment health care system serves the
public well.

Now back to the TUBES,

Scott

Jim McDonald wrote:

"Gregg" wrote in message
news:O%FGc.611$eO.485@edtnps89...


Jim, Jim, calm down!

I see you misunderstand things a wee.

Fred is getting the best care we can give him

He does not pay for ANY medical services, our govt. does.

He does not pay for ANY pills, our govt. does.

He is on disability and is getting money for his lost wages.

His wife has been granted medical leave, getting her wages and can be at
Fred's side 24/7.

Fred "feels" our love, but has chosen to not communicate until he is
ready. The "wounded tom-cat" thing....he will be back.

Many of us here are personal friends with him and we aren't lying when we
say - "we can't get ahold of him, but last call he was OK"

I love the guy like a big brother, so I understand how upset you are.

Patientce......

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca





Gregg, everybody....

My apologies if I have upset anybody.... sure I get upset. I have had many
private and group conversations with the guy
and the idea of sitting here waiting does me no good at all. What was the
point of the post ? Motivation. Sure health care is free, but I doubt
Tony Blair or George Dubya use it.... Our health care is free but we
frequently hear of patients being denied the very best treatment because it
costs too much. Better health care costs money....... as a group could we
be doing anything ? No communication/no news guess there's nothing
anybody can do .. **** !!!

My apologies once again

kind regards
jim

In message , Lord Valve
writes
Like I said - socialists are *hilarious*.

Lord Valve
American





And from the evidence of that long and fortunately snipped rant;
illiterate too.
--
Chris Morriss

"Jim McDonald" wrote in message
...
Anybody interested ??

WELL, ****IN' FIND OUT, THEN..... !!!!!!.......

ARSES OFF SEATS AND DO SOMETHING !!!!!!!!
PRETEND YOU'RE ****IN' BRITISH, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE ....!!!!!!!!!

This guy could be terminal, Shaz is sitting,.........waiting....

RAT is, as usual, doing, ..... **** ALL !!!!!! What a fantastic group
of guys, you all, are......

JESUS CHRIST ..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GET OFf YOUR ****IN' ARSES !!!!!!!!!!!

IF IT NEEDS PRIVATE MEDCARE,.... I HAVE A BIG DEBIT CARD ...............

Anybody want to stand behind me and pick up the bill ???

The NG want to see this guy get well ? yes/no ?? .............
or..... you just goin' to sit there and think it's somebody else's
problem.....

jim

I believe that Fred is loved and respected by all in this NG, save one
demented poor soul Down Under. I also believe that tomorrow, after you
perhaps are in a more rational or sober mood, you will be ashamed at what
you said.
west

"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...


Gregg wrote:

Jim, Jim, calm down!

My sentiments entirely.

I am not at all sure of Fred's predicament but he wouldn't want any of us
to
be hysterical
about a medical condition which could be threatening.

Last year I was threatened with a heart problem and while I happily lay in
the
emergency ward of the hospital, I thought I may not get out of the place,
but I didn't really mind what my Maker had in mind for me.
A friend bought in a chess set so we could play awhile, which astonished
the
car accident victims
as they were wheeled past.
The nurses were very attractive.
I'm sure there will be other threats along the way, and at least one that
will defeat
my attempts to stay alive, and when that comes along, i'll just accept it,
and die.
I'll probably die alone, but knowing all my customers valued me, and I
hope I
don't trouble too many folks
by leaving them behind to struggle on alone.

I hope the God Of Triodes welcomes me to his workshop in the sky,
where I can experiment with diode detectors for as long as I like without
having to earn a living, and I can then put up with John Byrns wafting
over
on his cloud to tell me my detector buffer idea is unintelligent. I will
hand
him a glass of Heaven's Nectar, and be able to let him
listen to my creations, and I am sure his work on radios will be enjoyable
to
behold.

You think transistors sounded bad ... wait till you get up there and hear
the angels singing. You then will throw out all the tube stuff you managed
to schlep up there.
west

If I meet Fred when I get there, I will be able to compare notes free of
the
earthly anxiety
and fears we are prone to having while we are here.

I heard they have a fabulous band up there where every instrument is
played,
and each one comes with easy to learn instructions, and supporting cloud.

And best of all the Conductor is such a pleasant and tolerant man.

Perhaps there is nothing after death, and that idea don't worry me either.
Its nice to stay for a long stay, but we just were not meant to stay
forever.

We have a "free" medicare system here.
I paid not a cent for my medical care directly,
but I have paid indirectly through my taxes for 45 years so far.

Don't get the idea medical services are free, they are not, a country's
people
pay for the social services they consume.

But unlike some countries, I don't have to sell my house to get a pair of
knee replacement joints,
or a heart operation to let my mother live a few more years.
The system here has evolved to remove the financial trauma resulting from
illness.

I wish the best for Fred, I hope he rejoins our throng of tube enthusiasts
again soon,
but if not, I'll catch up with him up yonder.

Patrick Turner.






I see you misunderstand things a wee.

Fred is getting the best care we can give him

He does not pay for ANY medical services, our govt. does.

He does not pay for ANY pills, our govt. does.

He is on disability and is getting money for his lost wages.

His wife has been granted medical leave, getting her wages and can be at
Fred's side 24/7.

Fred "feels" our love, but has chosen to not communicate until he is
ready. The "wounded tom-cat" thing....he will be back.

Many of us here are personal friends with him and we aren't lying when
we
say - "we can't get ahold of him, but last call he was OK"

I love the guy like a big brother, so I understand how upset you are.

Patientce......

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca

Lord Valve wrote:

Patrick Turner wrote:

Gregg wrote:

Behold, Lord Valve signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:

Gregg wrote:

No bill. FREE. Canadians do not pay for treatment

The sad ****in' thing is, y'all *believe* that.

*Somebody* pays for it. It ain't free. You think the goddamn Med Fairy
miracles it away for ya?

OK, you are right. The taxpayers do indeed pay for it. It was such a BIG
election issue here, we have made a unanimous voice as a people saying we
do not mind our tax money going for this stuff. We will even accept a tax
increase if we have guarantees that the money *will* go to healthcare....

Socialists are *hilarious*.

I'm found out, I have been discovered - I am a Marxist-Leninist Party of
Canada member ;-p

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca

We have a national conservative, ie right wing red-neck run guvmint
which would love to see the publicly owned and funded hospital and health care

system *all* privatised, so that the poor would be denied any treatments,
while the
the rich can afford the insurance premiums for the privately owned hospitals.
But hey, even when I was insured for awhile privately, I had to pay a huge
fee for an operation I had as well as pay the premium.
I would have been far better off under a public system.
An enormous % of everything I purchase goes to the guvmint in taxes, and I am
a low income earner. The guvmint says it has a $7.5billion surplus, and it
could well
fund better public hospital care for everyone *without* the the inclusion of
the obscene
profits made by the private medicos in their latest model Mercedes.
Since we have had a more lively Opposition Leader who tends to be socialist,
the Guvmint has stuck a few bells and whistles onto the Medicare show,
but its going to stay the same run down circus unless the Opposition win power

in the very near national election we a due to have.

The rich can well afford to subsidise the poor, by paying more % of their
earnings in taxes.
Business is run to take all that impost on business into account, and the
prices
we pay for goods and services from privately run companies include the greater
share
of taxes those rich companies have to pay.
So when I buy from companies, I pay their tax for them!

But hey, I just watched a TV show which outlined how over the last decade,
US companies have been avoiding coughing the usual 30% tax on profits by means
of tax minimization schemes,
and now they might be paying 15%, leaving the little people to fund their own
schools, universities and hospitals.
AFAIK, the prices charged by these companies has stayed put,
but returns to shareholders have boomed.
Companies keep two sets of books, one bullish one to present to the
stockmarket,
and the other a bear book, which is shown to the tax people, whose lives are
exceedingly
dreary because they are so understaffed, and deliberately so, since the Dubya
idea is
to try to avoid taxes like the plague, and Dubya seems to have facilitated
this idea.
Letting company tax take go down is a fun way to subsidise business,
especially if your family
is in big business.

So when I hear folks mouthing off at socialists, I know they are all bull****
and hot air.
Do those people prefer a system where *everything* is cash in advance, and
user pays,
no matter what it is?
So if a pauper breaks his leg, he's left in the gutter to die, eh?
Let the ******* crawl to a hospital and beg, hey, why not shoot him, and toss
him into the Hudson?

Usually the lame brained rednecks and blusterers against socialists
would all gladly hand their poor broken legged brother, or mother with a heart
condition
to a public taxpayer funded hospital for expensive treatment rather than raise
huge loans to pay
for the treatments.

I am fortunate indeed to live in a western country democracy.
There is a relatively fair go for all when it comes to health,
because if I break my leg, the public system is there to help for "free",
ie, no huge funds are required.
The rich are welcome to pay their insurance premiums to get
better percieved private hospital care if they want it, and should they
complain about
the millions of paupers wasting the taxes they don't pay,
and should they form guvmints to rule under such greedy morals,
then pity help the path of society under such ideas, because it rots at the
core.
Premiums for health insurance are rebated....

Our guvmints here in Oz are all Labour in all the states, ie, like the US
Democrats.
The only Guvmint which is Liberal, ie, like the Republicans,
is the Federal one run by John Howhard.
He does not appear to want to abolish public hospital funding in Oz with a key
stroke,
but little by little instead, in a mean and tricky form of attrition, while
appearing to do the exact opposite,
which is all of the art of being a clever politician whole has the spin
doctors to fool the public most of the time,
like they did over weapons of mass destruction.

Had I been able to get the knee op 18 mths before last january when I had it,
I would not have had to quit the workshop work for so long and be on the dole,

and the op would have been more effective.
This would have saved the taxpayer the equivalent cost of several operations.
The Guvmint has quotas for operations at public owned hospitals, and my knee
surgeon there
tells me he could easily form a bigger team for orthopeadic work, cut waiting
lists,
but the Guvmint won't let him.
A bigger slice of treatments could be done by the public hospital sector, but
that would
undermine the profitablility of the Guvmint mates in the MBA, Medical Bustard
Association.
When you next hear a rich guy wingeing about his taxes, and wingeing about
those poor folks,
and their sickness, kick him in th'ass willya!

Phew, that was a lotta OT.

I hope Fred is doin OK regardless of what sort of system he's attending.

Patrick Turner.

Like I said - socialists are *hilarious*.

And you are unable to debate all the points I raised.


Patrick Turner



Lord Valve
American

I hope the God Of Triodes welcomes me to his workshop in the sky,
where I can experiment with diode detectors for as long as I like without
having to earn a living, and I can then put up with John Byrns wafting
over
on his cloud to tell me my detector buffer idea is unintelligent. I will
hand
him a glass of Heaven's Nectar, and be able to let him
listen to my creations, and I am sure his work on radios will be enjoyable
to
behold.

You think transistors sounded bad ... wait till you get up there and hear
the angels singing. You then will throw out all the tube stuff you managed
to schlep up there.

Ah, but the special edition Made In Heaven branded NOS Triodes do sound rather
good.
Din't know 'bout that now dija?

Any stuff they throw out of heaven has a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong

way to fall, and the people in Hell should wear hard hats at all times.

Patrick Turner.

Behold, Lord Valve signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:

snip

American

Need we say more? ;-p

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca

Gregg wrote:

Behold, John Byrns signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:

In article , "Jim McDonald"
wrote:

GET OFf YOUR ****IN' ARSES !!!!!!!!!!!

IF IT NEEDS PRIVATE MEDCARE,.... I HAVE A BIG DEBIT CARD
...............

I thought Canada had socialized medicine to take care of people, why is
there a problem? Isn't socialized medicine all it is cracked up to be?

We do have socialized medicine and a government program called
"Pharmicare" that pays for your prescription pills to boot. Ours is one of
the top-three best systems in the world, as crummy as it can be at times.

Anybody want to stand behind me and pick up the bill ???

What is the problem with the bill? I have enough medical bills to pay
already.

No bill. FREE. Canadians do not pay for treatment unless it's peripheral
treatment (cosmetic surgery, or stuff that requires you to be flown 3/4
around the world to get that has nothing to do with saving your life)

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca

The Canadian Health System is paid for thru our taxes, both personal
& corporate. AFAIK, it is the largest single component of the federal
& provincial budgets.

You gotta wonder why the right is against social medicine. It doesn't
take a rocket scientist (or any other mathematician) to realize that a
healthy population is more productive so that everyone including the
fat cats benefit. The American Health System as it is at present
appears to put a large part of its population at risk.

Cheers, John Stewart

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 16:41:31 +0000, Lord Valve wrote:

Like I said - socialists are *hilarious*.

Lord Valve
American

What did you say on AGA your health care premiums were...$48 per DAY?
You think taxes to pay for national health care would be
more than that?

--
Ned Carlson Triode Electronics Chicago,IL USA
www.triodeelectronics.com

Patrick Turner wrote:

Like I said - socialists are *hilarious*.

And you are unable to debate all the points I raised.

Son, who wants to debate your sorry ass? I wrote ten
words, you followed 'em with a ****in' book. You're a
billowing leftist gasbag, Sparky. Carry on barking.

Lord Valve
American


Hey, Jute - you around lately? ;-)

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:52:02 +0000, John Stewart wrote:

The Canadian Health System is paid for thru our taxes, both personal &
corporate. AFAIK, it is the largest single component of the federal &
provincial budgets.

A federal budget which, BTW, has been BALANCED for the past
six years! Under an administration that is neo-commie
by US standards, and pays for health care!
The Canadians are even paying down their national debt!

Federal budget deficit in Mexico: US$6 billion. Much less
than the state of California! And Mexico has national health
care, too! That's right, a third world country like Mexico
has national health care, (you can look it up if you read
Spanish, http://www.imss.gob.mx/imss )and the world's
richest country supposedly can't afford it.

The amount of money the US pays out in subsidies to Bush's
agrisexual cronies would pay THE ENTIRE FEDERAL BUDGET
of either Canada or Mexico. We could make Mexico a tax-free
zone, and at least bring back to North America some of the
jobs that have outsourced to India & China. Of course Mexicans
who have jobs, don't illegally immigrate to the US & Canada.


You gotta wonder why the right is against social medicine.

They also whine about fatcat lawyers and huge malpractice
premiums...neither of which exist (at least in the form they
do in the USA) in countries with national health systems.



--
Ned Carlson Triode Electronics Chicago,IL USA
www.triodeelectronics.com

"Ned Carlson" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:52:02 +0000, John Stewart wrote:

The Canadian Health System is paid for thru our taxes, both personal &
corporate. AFAIK, it is the largest single component of the federal &
provincial budgets.

A federal budget which, BTW, has been BALANCED for the past
six years! Under an administration that is neo-commie
by US standards, and pays for health care!
The Canadians are even paying down their national debt!

Federal budget deficit in Mexico: US$6 billion. Much less
than the state of California! And Mexico has national health
care, too! That's right, a third world country like Mexico
has national health care, (you can look it up if you read
Spanish, http://www.imss.gob.mx/imss )and the world's
richest country supposedly can't afford it.

The amount of money the US pays out in subsidies to Bush's
agrisexual cronies would pay THE ENTIRE FEDERAL BUDGET
of either Canada or Mexico. We could make Mexico a tax-free
zone, and at least bring back to North America some of the
jobs that have outsourced to India & China. Of course Mexicans
who have jobs, don't illegally immigrate to the US & Canada.


You gotta wonder why the right is against social medicine.

They also whine about fatcat lawyers and huge malpractice
premiums...neither of which exist (at least in the form they
do in the USA) in countries with national health systems.



--
Ned Carlson Triode Electronics Chicago,IL USA
www.triodeelectronics.com




Errm,........... sorry to bust in, here..........

Anybody know how Fred is ?

jim

Lord Valve wrote:

Patrick Turner wrote:

Like I said - socialists are *hilarious*.

And you are unable to debate all the points I raised.

Son, who wants to debate your sorry ass? I wrote ten
words, you followed 'em with a ****in' book. You're a
billowing leftist gasbag, Sparky. Carry on barking.

Lord Valve
American

Hey, Jute - you around lately? ;-)

If you tried to hide behind aunty Jute's skirt you would not lift
your debating skills any higher.

Patrick Turner.

"west" wrote in message
. ..
"Jim McDonald" wrote in message
...
Anybody interested ??

WELL, ****IN' FIND OUT, THEN..... !!!!!!.......

ARSES OFF SEATS AND DO SOMETHING !!!!!!!!
PRETEND YOU'RE ****IN' BRITISH, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE ....!!!!!!!!!

This guy could be terminal, Shaz is sitting,.........waiting....

RAT is, as usual, doing, ..... **** ALL !!!!!! What a fantastic
group
of guys, you all, are......

JESUS CHRIST ..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GET OFf YOUR ****IN' ARSES !!!!!!!!!!!

IF IT NEEDS PRIVATE MEDCARE,.... I HAVE A BIG DEBIT CARD
................

Anybody want to stand behind me and pick up the bill ???

The NG want to see this guy get well ? yes/no ?? .............
or..... you just goin' to sit there and think it's somebody else's
problem.....

jim

I believe that Fred is loved and respected by all in this NG, save one
demented poor soul Down Under. I also believe that tomorrow, after you
perhaps are in a more rational or sober mood, you will be ashamed at what
you said.
west



NO , no, no,no, !!!!!!!!

48 hours have now moved on, for Fred and RAT.............................

Anybody want to know how , Fred, is..... ???.

Fred who ? Oh, yeah, oh , that, Fred, !!!!! ..... mm , ..yeah,
....... Oh, hey, yeah..... I'm really worried about him !!!

Sorry to bust into your socio-economic thread, here.. I know how Fred was
......15 minutes before I posted this !!

jim

Dear RATs,

just a few words:

1 - I'm glad to know that Mr. Nachbaur lives in a country where there's a
social medcare system, because it means that he will receive all necessary
cares without selling his home for it. I've had a spinal surgery on the
expenses of the Italian ministry of health, and I'm still walking on my own
feet. Sure, I know it's not costless: my tax bill is over 50 Kbucks, but I
know that in case of need I'll be taken to an hospital and nobody will
search my wallet for a credit card before letting me in, nor will anybody
care if I'm black, yellow, blue or pea-green; it is a matter of human rights
here in Europe, not of $.

2 - now that we're all sure that our good fellow does not need our help,
wouldn't it be a sign of respect for his privacy to go discussing our
political ideas on another thread? I feel guilty chatting about a gentleman
who finds himself in the "uncomfortable column of the statistics", and I'm
sure that he already knows that all of us are wishing him to be back on-line
soon.

Sincerely

Fabio



"Jim McDonald" ha scritto nel messaggio
...

"Ned Carlson" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 06:52:02 +0000, John Stewart wrote:

The Canadian Health System is paid for thru our taxes, both personal &
corporate. AFAIK, it is the largest single component of the federal &
provincial budgets.

A federal budget which, BTW, has been BALANCED for the past
six years! Under an administration that is neo-commie
by US standards, and pays for health care!
The Canadians are even paying down their national debt!

Federal budget deficit in Mexico: US$6 billion. Much less
than the state of California! And Mexico has national health
care, too! That's right, a third world country like Mexico
has national health care, (you can look it up if you read
Spanish, http://www.imss.gob.mx/imss )and the world's
richest country supposedly can't afford it.

The amount of money the US pays out in subsidies to Bush's
agrisexual cronies would pay THE ENTIRE FEDERAL BUDGET
of either Canada or Mexico. We could make Mexico a tax-free
zone, and at least bring back to North America some of the
jobs that have outsourced to India & China. Of course Mexicans
who have jobs, don't illegally immigrate to the US & Canada.


You gotta wonder why the right is against social medicine.

They also whine about fatcat lawyers and huge malpractice
premiums...neither of which exist (at least in the form they
do in the USA) in countries with national health systems.



--
Ned Carlson Triode Electronics Chicago,IL USA
www.triodeelectronics.com




Errm,........... sorry to bust in, here..........

Anybody know how Fred is ?

jim

Patrick Turner wrote in
:


I hope the God Of Triodes welcomes me to his workshop in the sky,
where I can experiment with diode detectors for as long as I like
without having to earn a living, and I can then put up with John
Byrns wafting
over
on his cloud to tell me my detector buffer idea is unintelligent. I
will
hand
him a glass of Heaven's Nectar, and be able to let him
listen to my creations, and I am sure his work on radios will be
enjoyable
to
behold.

You think transistors sounded bad ... wait till you get up there and
hear the angels singing. You then will throw out all the tube stuff you
managed to schlep up there.

Ah, but the special edition Made In Heaven branded NOS Triodes do sound
rather good.
Din't know 'bout that now dija?

Any stuff they throw out of heaven has a
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong

way to fall, and the people in Hell should wear hard hats at all times.

Patrick Turner.


The are denied hard hats. I'll bet you can figure out why.

r


--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

Gentlemen,

I spoke with Sharon (Fred's wife) tonight and they are back in their
hometown for at least two weeks. Fred is in his hospital, but will be
home, hopefully within a week or so.

Fred has survived the first bout of radiation and his tumors are in
remission or holding and becoming benign. The battle is 50% won :-)

He is in good spirits, cracking jokes and misses you all a great deal.

They are doing fine financially and their family strength is at 100%.

Sharon has promised to call regularily with updates and I'll pass them on
to you.

She has asked that those of us with Deities to continue to petiton them
for favor for Fred. Those of us who do not, love and well wishes are
welcome.

After two weeks, they'll assess the success of the radiation and either
send him back for more or decide to keep him on regular chemo therapy.

I know of at least six experienced professional doctors worldwide are
involved and yes, the full tab is being picked up by the Province of
British Columbia.

Updates to follow.........

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca

Gregg wrote in news:928Ic.32612$eO.17924@edtnps89:

Gentlemen,

I spoke with Sharon (Fred's wife) tonight and they are back in their
hometown for at least two weeks. Fred is in his hospital, but will be
home, hopefully within a week or so.

Fred has survived the first bout of radiation and his tumors are in
remission or holding and becoming benign. The battle is 50% won :-)

He is in good spirits, cracking jokes and misses you all a great deal.

They are doing fine financially and their family strength is at 100%.

Sharon has promised to call regularily with updates and I'll pass them
on
to you.

She has asked that those of us with Deities to continue to petiton them
for favor for Fred. Those of us who do not, love and well wishes are
welcome.

After two weeks, they'll assess the success of the radiation and either
send him back for more or decide to keep him on regular chemo therapy.

I know of at least six experienced professional doctors worldwide are
involved and yes, the full tab is being picked up by the Province of
British Columbia.

Updates to follow.........


Where are these tumors?


r


--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

Behold, Rich.Andrews signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:

snippage

Where are these tumors?

Brain & Lungs :-(

Lungs were the worst ones AFAIK, but indeed they were the first ones
toasted :-)

The brain tumors were unaffected by the chemo, but were MUCH slower
growing, so the rad should have taken care of them.

I didn't ask for specifics. I will next time Sharon calls.

--
Gregg
*It's probably useful, even if it can't be SPICE'd*
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca

Gregg wrote in news:Y7gIc.32678$eO.2303@edtnps89:

Behold, Rich.Andrews signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:

snippage

Where are these tumors?

Brain & Lungs :-(

Lungs were the worst ones AFAIK, but indeed they were the first ones
toasted :-)

The brain tumors were unaffected by the chemo, but were MUCH slower
growing, so the rad should have taken care of them.

I didn't ask for specifics. I will next time Sharon calls.


That is good enough for me.

r


--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

Any stuff they throw out of heaven has a
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong

way to fall, and the people in Hell should wear hard hats at all times.

Patrick Turner.


The are denied hard hats. I'll bet you can figure out why.

You reckon they wouldn't know if something hit them?

Patrick Turner.

Patrick Turner wrote in
:


Any stuff they throw out of heaven has a
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong

way to fall, and the people in Hell should wear hard hats at all
times.

Patrick Turner.


The are denied hard hats. I'll bet you can figure out why.

You reckon they wouldn't know if something hit them?

Patrick Turner.



The place is called hell for a reason. Besides, the devil has to have
some entertainment and there is nothing funnier than seeing someone get
bonked on the head with a stray bit of trash from heaven. Every time
someone gets bonked, the victim says "Ouch! Dammit!" and everyone hollers
"Too Late!" Then everyone laughs and laughs at the horrible joke! Why do
they laugh? Because it is hell and everyone has to laugh at the horrible
jokes.

I wonder what Jesus would say if he got really mad? "Daddy dammit" comes
to mind.

r

PS. Yes, I know. I am *so* going to hell.

--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 15:01:28 +0100, Jim McDonald wrote:
Errm,........... sorry to bust in, here..........

Anybody know how Fred is ?

jim

Probably better thjan he would be if he had to worry
about Part B copays.. ;-0

Hopefully good, he's a swell guy.

--
Ned Carlson Triode Electronics Chicago,IL USA
www.triodeelectronics.com

"Rich.Andrews" wrote in message .1...
Gregg wrote in news:Y7gIc.32678$eO.2303@edtnps89:

Behold, Rich.Andrews signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:

snippage

Where are these tumors?

Brain & Lungs :-(

Lungs were the worst ones AFAIK, but indeed they were the first ones
toasted :-)

The brain tumors were unaffected by the chemo, but were MUCH slower
growing, so the rad should have taken care of them.

I didn't ask for specifics. I will next time Sharon calls.


That is good enough for me.

r


I'm sorry to hear of M. Nachbaur's cancer.

I stumbled on his site last night while researching AX84's guitar amp...

I'll have a good though for him today...

"Rich.Andrews" wrote in message .1...
Gregg wrote in news:Y7gIc.32678$eO.2303@edtnps89:

Behold, Rich.Andrews signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:

snippage

Where are these tumors?

Brain & Lungs :-(

Lungs were the worst ones AFAIK, but indeed they were the first ones
toasted :-)

The brain tumors were unaffected by the chemo, but were MUCH slower
growing, so the rad should have taken care of them.

I didn't ask for specifics. I will next time Sharon calls.


That is good enough for me.

r


I'm sorry to hear of M. Nachbaur's cancer.

I stumbled on his site last night while researching AX84's guitar amp...

I'll have a good though for him today...