[[email protected]]

Hi there

I moderate a discussion group on reddit for audio engineers. I used to
frequent this group and found it to be a great resource. I would like
to bring r/audioengineering up to that level. We have some
knowledgeable people but could use some more big boys (Mike Rivers,
Scott Dorsey,George Massenburg and the rest... I'm talking to you!).

Here is the link:
http://www.reddit.com/r/audioengineering/

Thank you
Phoephus

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On 20 Aug 2011 19:29:56 GMT,
(Richard Webb) wrote:

On Sat 2011-Aug-20 09:37, writes:
I moderate a discussion group on reddit for audio engineers. I used
to frequent this group and found it to be a great resource. I would
like to bring r/audioengineering up to that level. We have some
knowledgeable people but could use some more big boys (Mike Rivers,
Scott Dorsey,George Massenburg and the rest... I'm talking to you!).

Ah but yousee that's the problem. Many folks don't like web based forums as much as they do usenet, which offers more
flexibility in ways to access than do web forums. Add an
offline interaction capability, that's the first step. NOt everybody's going to wade through the stuff that web forums
present along with the discussions, such as the adverts and
whatnot. Especially those who didn't just join the internet world when aol was sending free disks.


+1. I'd never bother with any forum that forced me to use a web
interface. Far too painful.

d

[Richard Webb[_3_]]

On Sat 2011-Aug-20 09:37, writes:
I moderate a discussion group on reddit for audio engineers. I used
to frequent this group and found it to be a great resource. I would
like to bring r/audioengineering up to that level. We have some
knowledgeable people but could use some more big boys (Mike Rivers,
Scott Dorsey,George Massenburg and the rest... I'm talking to you!).

Ah but yousee that's the problem. Many folks don't like web based forums as much as they do usenet, which offers more
flexibility in ways to access than do web forums. Add an
offline interaction capability, that's the first step. NOt everybody's going to wade through the stuff that web forums
present along with the discussions, such as the adverts and
whatnot. Especially those who didn't just join the internet world when aol was sending free disks.

Regards,
Richard
.... Remote audio in the southland: See www.gatasound.com
--
| Remove .my.foot for email
| via Waldo's Place USA Fidonet-Internet Gateway Site
| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.

[[email protected]]

On Aug 20, 1:47*pm, (Don Pearce) wrote:
On 20 Aug 2011 19:29:56 GMT,

(Richard Webb) wrote:
On Sat 2011-Aug-20 09:37, writes:
I moderate a discussion group on reddit for audio engineers. I used
to frequent this group and found it to be a great resource. I would
like to bring r/audioengineering up to that level. We have some
knowledgeable people but could use some more big boys (Mike Rivers,
Scott Dorsey,George Massenburg and the rest... I'm talking to you!).

Ah but yousee that's the problem. *Many folks don't like web based forums as much as they do usenet, which offers more
flexibility in ways to access than do web forums. *Add an
offline interaction capability, *that's the first step. *NOt everybody's going to wade through the stuff that web forums
present along with the discussions, such as the adverts and
whatnot. *Especially those who didn't just join the internet world when aol was sending free disks.

+1. I'd never bother with any forum that forced me to use a web
interface. Far too painful.

d

Wow! I think it's been 16 years since someone has tried to demean me
by calling me an "aol free disk newbie". Thanks for the memories!

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:41:28 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Aug 20, 1:47*pm, (Don Pearce) wrote:
On 20 Aug 2011 19:29:56 GMT,

(Richard Webb) wrote:
On Sat 2011-Aug-20 09:37, writes:
I moderate a discussion group on reddit for audio engineers. I used
to frequent this group and found it to be a great resource. I would
like to bring r/audioengineering up to that level. We have some
knowledgeable people but could use some more big boys (Mike Rivers,
Scott Dorsey,George Massenburg and the rest... I'm talking to you!).

Ah but yousee that's the problem. *Many folks don't like web based forums as much as they do usenet, which offers more
flexibility in ways to access than do web forums. *Add an
offline interaction capability, *that's the first step. *NOt everybody's going to wade through the stuff that web forums
present along with the discussions, such as the adverts and
whatnot. *Especially those who didn't just join the internet world when aol was sending free disks.

+1. I'd never bother with any forum that forced me to use a web
interface. Far too painful.

d

Wow! I think it's been 16 years since someone has tried to demean me
by calling me an "aol free disk newbie". Thanks for the memories!

I see you are porting here via Google Groups. That hasta hurt some...?

d

[Mike Rivers]

On 8/20/2011 9:37 AM, wrote:

We have some
knowledgeable people but could use some more big boys (Mike Rivers,
Scott Dorsey,George Massenburg and the rest... I'm talking to you!).

What's your pay scale? We big boys have been giving away our
knowledge for too long. It's about time we figured out how
to make some money from the Internet. Heaven knows, there's
no money to be made recording music any more.

Oh, and I don't mind using a web interface for forums. I
don't have to be on my own computer in order to read or
post. Everybody has a web browser, but not everybody has a
news host set up.


--
"Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be
operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although
it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge
of audio." - John Watkinson

http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and
interesting audio stuff

[John Williamson]

wrote:
Hi there

I moderate a discussion group on reddit for audio engineers. I used to
frequent this group and found it to be a great resource. I would like
to bring r/audioengineering up to that level. We have some
knowledgeable people but could use some more big boys (Mike Rivers,
Scott Dorsey,George Massenburg and the rest... I'm talking to you!).

Here is the link:
http://www.reddit.com/r/audioengineering/

I subscribe to one web based forum. In the time it takes to log on,
download its home page and find a subject I'm interested in, I have
downloaded for offline reading about a dozen busy usenet groups. Usenet
also works very well on this netbook with an 800x480 display, whereas
the web based forum only just fits on a 1280x800 display and is still
not fast on a dual core, 1.6GHz machine.


--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[William Sommerwerck]

I'd be willing to get involved in such a group... If the majority of members
could prove that they actually understand the difference between analog and
digital. But they don't and won't, so I'm not interested.

[philicorda[_9_]]

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 06:37:32 -0700, wrote:

Hi there

I moderate a discussion group on reddit for audio engineers. I used to
frequent this group and found it to be a great resource. I would like to
bring r/audioengineering up to that level. We have some knowledgeable
people but could use some more big boys (Mike Rivers, Scott
Dorsey,George Massenburg and the rest... I'm talking to you!).

I'm certainly not one of the 'big boys', but do I make my living with a
small commercial studio. I'm also a Redditor, so consider me subscribed!

Have you considered doing a bit of promotion on Reddit itself? There are
so many sub forums that I have not really hunted through them yet, and
had not heard of this one before.


Here is the link:
http://www.reddit.com/r/audioengineering/

Thank you
Phoephus

[[email protected]]

On Aug 20, 4:35*pm, (Don Pearce) wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:41:28 -0700 (PDT), "



wrote:
On Aug 20, 1:47*pm, (Don Pearce) wrote:
On 20 Aug 2011 19:29:56 GMT,

(Richard Webb) wrote:
On Sat 2011-Aug-20 09:37, writes:
I moderate a discussion group on reddit for audio engineers. I used
to frequent this group and found it to be a great resource. I would
like to bring r/audioengineering up to that level. We have some
knowledgeable people but could use some more big boys (Mike Rivers,
Scott Dorsey,George Massenburg and the rest... I'm talking to you!)..

Ah but yousee that's the problem. *Many folks don't like web based forums as much as they do usenet, which offers more
flexibility in ways to access than do web forums. *Add an
offline interaction capability, *that's the first step. *NOt everybody's going to wade through the stuff that web forums
present along with the discussions, such as the adverts and
whatnot. *Especially those who didn't just join the internet world when aol was sending free disks.

+1. I'd never bother with any forum that forced me to use a web
interface. Far too painful.

d

Wow! I think it's been 16 years since someone has tried to demean me
by calling me an "aol free disk newbie". Thanks for the memories!

I see you are porting here via Google Groups. That hasta hurt some...?

d

Yes, I have a blister on my finger from all the clicking... very
painful!

[[email protected]]

On Aug 20, 4:55*pm, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 8/20/2011 9:37 AM, wrote:

We have some
knowledgeable people but could use some more big boys (Mike Rivers,
Scott Dorsey,George Massenburg and the rest... I'm talking to you!).

What's your pay scale? We big boys have been giving away our
knowledge for too long. It's about time we figured out how
to make some money from the Internet. Heaven knows, there's
no money to be made recording music any more.

Oh, and I don't mind using a web interface for forums. I
don't have to be on my own computer in order to read or
post. Everybody has a web browser, but not everybody has a
news host set up.

--
"Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be
operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although
it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge
of audio." - John Watkinson

http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com- useful and
interesting audio stuff

Mike! How you been man? you remember me? I had that question about
analog tape storage. It was about ten years ago... c'mon you
remember..Right?

At reddit we pay in "karma". I believe you can use it any of your
finer second life widget factories.

[[email protected]]

On Aug 20, 6:12*pm, philicorda wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 06:37:32 -0700, wrote:
Hi there

I moderate a discussion group on reddit for audio engineers. I used to
frequent this group and found it to be a great resource. I would like to
bring r/audioengineering up to that level. We have some knowledgeable
people but could use some more big boys (Mike Rivers, Scott
Dorsey,George Massenburg and the rest... I'm talking to you!).

I'm certainly not one of the 'big boys', but do I make my living with a
small commercial studio. I'm also a Redditor, so consider me subscribed!

Have you considered doing a bit of promotion on Reddit itself? There are
so many sub forums that I have not really hunted through them yet, and
had not heard of this one before. *



Here is the link:
http://www.reddit.com/r/audioengineering/

Thank you
Phoephus

Hey Phil!Glad to have you aboard! I wasn't looking to do a big
promotion I was more interested in getting some of the knowledgeable
people that I know are here to share some of it. But I am learning
from some of the other responses I'm getting that people who don't
know stuff shouldn't get to learn about stuff cause they don't know
stuff. Oh well.

[[email protected]]

On Aug 20, 5:08*pm, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote:
I'd be willing to get involved in such a group... If the majority of members
could prove that they actually understand the difference between analog and
digital. But they don't and won't, so I'm not interested.

Really? I would have gone with balanced vs. unbalanced as test to see
who is worthy of your awesome knowledge. I think your setting the bar
kinda low for yourself there Bill.

[William Sommerwerck]

wrote in message
...
On Aug 20, 5:08 pm, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote:

I'd be willing to get involved in such a group... If the majority of
members
could prove that they actually understand the difference between analog
and digital. But they don't and won't, so I'm not interested.

Really? I would have gone with balanced vs. unbalanced as test to see
who is worthy of your awesome knowledge. I think your setting the bar
kinda low for yourself there, Bill.

My knowledge is hardly "awesome". It's just that I (generally) don't claim
to understand something I don't understand. (I occasionally make of fool of
myself, though.)

I agree that correctly explaining balanced and unbalanced signals is not
easy. I'm not altogether sure where I would start.

[[email protected]]

On Aug 20, 8:04*pm, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Aug 20, 5:08 pm, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote:



I'd be willing to get involved in such a group... If the majority of
members
could prove that they actually understand the difference between analog
and digital. But they don't and won't, so I'm not interested.
Really? I would have gone with balanced vs. unbalanced as test to see
who is worthy of your awesome knowledge. I think your setting the bar
kinda low for yourself there, Bill.

My knowledge is hardly "awesome". It's just that I (generally) don't claim
to understand something I don't understand. (I occasionally make of fool of
myself, though.)

I agree that correctly explaining balanced and unbalanced signals is not
easy. I'm not altogether sure where I would start.

There are a large number of young wanna be audio guys subscribed to my
group that I know will never be using usenet, which is a shame. And
I'm learning there are a large number of experienced audio guys that
could help them out that will never join this forum cause it is web
based, and that is a shame. The internet is a great way to share
information but you need to get everybody talking to one another
first.

[William Sommerwerck]

wrote in message
...

There are a large number of young wanna be audio guys subscribed to my
group that I know will never be using usenet, which is a shame. And
I'm learning there are a large number of experienced audio guys that
could help them out that will never join this forum cause it is web
based, and that is a shame. The internet is a great way to share
information but you need to get everybody talking to one another
first.

Unfortunately, discussion too often devolves into bickering and worse.

I've been know to start arguments, simply to make other people look foolish
in their ignorance. It never works, though, because 99.9999% of humans
never, ever question what they know to be true.

[[email protected]]

On Aug 20, 8:42*pm, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote:
wrote in message

...

There are a large number of young wanna be audio guys subscribed to my
group that I know will never be using usenet, which is a shame. And
I'm learning there are a large number of experienced audio guys that
could help them out that will never join this forum cause it is web
based, and that is a shame. The internet is a great way to share
information but you need to get everybody talking to one another
first.

Unfortunately, discussion too often devolves into bickering and worse.

I've been know to start arguments, simply to make other people look foolish
in their ignorance. It never works, though, because 99.9999% of humans
never, ever question what they know to be true.

This isn't politics or religion this is engineering. For example
someone recently posted:
"Anyone ever connected a digidesign profile to a dolby lake system?"
Now the knowledge pool in r/audioengineering is a little shallow for a
question like that. I'm just trying to make it a little deeper.

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

William Sommerwerck wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Aug 20, 5:08 pm, "William
wrote:

I'd be willing to get involved in such a group... If the majority of
members
could prove that they actually understand the difference between analog
and digital. But they don't and won't, so I'm not interested.

Really? I would have gone with balanced vs. unbalanced as test to see
who is worthy of your awesome knowledge. I think your setting the bar
kinda low for yourself there, Bill.

My knowledge is hardly "awesome". It's just that I (generally) don't claim
to understand something I don't understand. (I occasionally make of fool of
myself, though.)

I agree that correctly explaining balanced and unbalanced signals is not
easy. I'm not altogether sure where I would start.



I'd start that with "ground is neither + nor -."

--
Les Cargill

[Richard Webb[_3_]]

On Sat 2011-Aug-20 20:27, writes:

First, didn't mean you to take the comment about the aol
free disk days as a slap at you personally.

big snip
There are a large number of young wanna be audio guys subscribed to
my group that I know will never be using usenet, which is a shame.
And I'm learning there are a large number of experienced audio guys
that could help them out that will never join this forum cause it is
web based, and that is a shame. The internet is a great way to share
information but you need to get everybody talking to one another
first.
There are ways. Make it also available as a plain text
mailing list, or something like an nntp server.
A couple of developers in FIdonet I know of are working with ways to make your web forums accessible via FIdonet, where
some systems will make them available via nntp such as
traditional usenet readers, etc. The advantage, the web
forum moderator still moderates all posts before they're
seen by the public.
Want more info, drop a line here, do the usual to antispam
the address.

Many of us were first on the net in the days of offline, and find that get it downloaded to our local on the go hard
drive
is preferrable to the slow wait, then wading through content looking for threads of interest to us. EMail and usenet
serve our needs, and the way we prefer to grab our net
content. IN my case, I let the automation do it while I do
other things, there for when I've got a few minutes to read.

That has often been the beauty of the internet, especially
in the earlier days. IT wasn't a one size fits all thing,
because one size doesn't fit all. Many of the early search
engines could be accessed via email as well. sOme of us old dogs would rather switch it off than switch.

Do however, in your web based forum point those newcomers to the rec.audio.pro faq file. IT's got a wealth of
information for them, and might just help somebody answer
basic questions before they bring them to the forum.


Regards,
Richard
.... Remote audio in the southland: See www.gatasound.com
--
| Remove .my.foot for email
| via Waldo's Place USA Fidonet-Internet Gateway Site
| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.

[geoff]

wrote:
There are a large number of young wanna be audio guys subscribed to my
group that I know will never be using usenet, which is a shame. And
I'm learning there are a large number of experienced audio guys that
could help them out that will never join this forum cause it is web
based, and that is a shame. The internet is a great way to share
information but you need to get everybody talking to one another
first.

It is possible to have a web-forum that mirrors to, and includes USENET
group funcionality. I believe ...


geoff

[Mike Rivers]

On 8/20/2011 5:08 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
I'd be willing to get involved in such a group... If the majority of members
could prove that they actually understand the difference between analog and
digital. But they don't and won't, so I'm not interested.

You mean there's a difference? Other than in the way you
work? Or do you mean they don't understand the difference
between bad analog and bad digital but think bad analog
sounds warmer and fuller?

--
"Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be
operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although
it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge
of audio." - John Watkinson

http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and
interesting audio stuff

[Mike Rivers]

On 8/20/2011 8:04 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

I agree that correctly explaining balanced and unbalanced signals is not
easy. I'm not altogether sure where I would start.

I send people to my web page for an article. No point in
explaining this over and over, trying to shorten it so I
don't have to type so much. The Jensen Transformers web site
also has some good material about the subject.

The important thing that a beginner should know, however, is
that it probably doesn't really matter to him unless
something just plain doesn't work. They don't know enough to
know that.

--
"Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be
operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although
it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge
of audio." - John Watkinson

http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and
interesting audio stuff

[Mike Rivers]

On 8/20/2011 9:11 PM, wrote:

This isn't politics or religion this is engineering. For example
someone recently posted:
"Anyone ever connected a digidesign profile to a dolby lake system?"

The problem with a question like that is that it's unclear
what he really wants to know. Surely he wants to know more
than "yes, I have" or "no, I haven't." What "dolby lake
system?" and for what purpose? What does he want to do? Does
he have said digidesign profile and dolby lake system and
can't figure out how to make the plugs match? Or can't get
one flavor of digital interface talking to the other? Or he
wants to know if this will solve his (unstated) problem and
that he should buy one or the other or both.

While you try to find out what the poster really wants to
know the thread gets diluted with things like "buy a Mac" or
"you don't need the Dolby Lake if you have this plug-in."
Then the original poster goes away with his question
unanswered, or thinks his question has been answered.



--
"Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be
operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although
it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge
of audio." - John Watkinson

http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and
interesting audio stuff

[William Sommerwerck]

Unfortunately, discussion too often devolves into bickering and worse.

I've been know to start arguments, simply to make other people
look foolish in their ignorance. It never works, though, because
99.9999% of humans never, ever question what they know to be true.

This isn't politics or religion, this is engineering.

Would that it were.

Human beings are not interested in the truth, or the search for it. Once
people decide they "understand" something, they hardly ever change their
minds. If you'd like to have a conversation about this off-line, I'd be
happy to give you some examples.

[William Sommerwerck]

I agree that correctly explaining balanced and unbalanced
signals is not easy. I'm not altogether sure where I would start.

I'd start that with "ground is neither + nor -."

Or how about "The ground reference does not carry the signal"?

[William Sommerwerck]

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
...
On 8/20/2011 5:08 PM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

I'd be willing to get involved in such a group... If the majority of
members
could prove that they actually understand the difference between analog
and
digital. But they don't and won't, so I'm not interested.

You mean there's a difference? Other than in the way you
work? Or do you mean they don't understand the difference
between bad analog and bad digital but think bad analog
sounds warmer and fuller?

I meant it from a technical point of view.

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 04:53:42 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote:

I agree that correctly explaining balanced and unbalanced
signals is not easy. I'm not altogether sure where I would start.

I'd start that with "ground is neither + nor -."

Or how about "The ground reference does not carry the signal"?


That, of course, is not a truth, it is a "by definition" statement. In
practice the ground carries the signal just as much as the nominated
signal line.

d

[[email protected]]

On Aug 21, 7:04*am, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 8/20/2011 9:11 PM, wrote:

This isn't politics or religion this is engineering. For example
someone recently posted:
* "Anyone ever connected a digidesign profile to a dolby lake system?"

The problem with a question like that is that it's unclear
what he really wants to know. Surely he wants to know more
than "yes, I have" or "no, I haven't." What "dolby lake
system?" and for what purpose? What does he want to do? Does
he have said digidesign profile and dolby lake system and
can't figure out how to make the plugs match? Or can't get
one flavor of digital interface talking to the other? *Or he
wants to know if this will solve his (unstated) problem and
that he should buy one or the other or both.

While you try to find out what the poster really wants to
know the thread gets diluted with things like "buy a Mac" or
"you don't need the Dolby Lake if you have this plug-in."
Then the original poster goes away with his question
unanswered, or thinks his question has been answered.

--
"Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be
operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although
it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge
of audio." - John Watkinson

http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com- useful and
interesting audio stuff

That is my point. You could help clarify the question. Here is the
direct link to that particular thread if you're interested:
http://www.reddit.com/r/audioenginee..._profile_to_a/

Reddit works a little differently, you up or down vote everything, so
stupid fanboy comments get pushed aside. But I really haven't seen any
of that in r/audioengineering.

I'm going to add your page to the useful links list so everyone can
check it out.

[William Sommerwerck]

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 04:53:42 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote:

I agree that correctly explaining balanced and unbalanced
signals is not easy. I'm not altogether sure where I would start.

I'd start that with "ground is neither + nor -."

Or how about "The ground reference does not carry the signal"?


That, of course, is not a truth, it is a "by definition" statement. In
practice the ground carries the signal just as much as the nominated
signal line.

I was talking about balanced.

Let's let this drop, lest it become Yet Another Argument.

[[email protected]]

On Aug 21, 6:02*am, "geoff" wrote:
wrote:
There are a large number of young wanna be audio guys subscribed to my
group that I know will never be using usenet, which is a shame. And
I'm learning there are a large number of experienced audio guys that
could help them out that will never join this forum cause it is web
based, and that is a shame. The internet is a great way to share
information but you need to get everybody talking to one another
first.

It is possible to have a web-forum that mirrors to, and includes USENET
group funcionality. I believe ...

geoff

If someone could tell me how that is done I will do this.

[[email protected]]

On Aug 21, 7:52*am, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote:
Unfortunately, discussion too often devolves into bickering and worse.
I've been know to start arguments, simply to make other people
look foolish in their ignorance. It never works, though, because
99.9999% of humans never, ever question what they know to be true.
This isn't politics or religion, this is engineering.

Would that it were.

Human beings are not interested in the truth, or the search for it. Once
people decide they "understand" something, they hardly ever change their
minds. If you'd like to have a conversation about this off-line, I'd be
happy to give you some examples.

I have one. How about thinking that web based audio engineering forums
are inherently bad?

[Ty Ford]

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:56:49 -0400, John Williamson wrote
(in article ):

wrote:
Hi there

I moderate a discussion group on reddit for audio engineers. I used to
frequent this group and found it to be a great resource. I would like
to bring r/audioengineering up to that level. We have some
knowledgeable people but could use some more big boys (Mike Rivers,
Scott Dorsey,George Massenburg and the rest... I'm talking to you!).

lemme' know when George signs up.

Regards,

Ty Ford

--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA

[Ty Ford]

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:42:31 -0400, William Sommerwerck wrote
(in article ):

wrote in message
...

There are a large number of young wanna be audio guys subscribed to my
group that I know will never be using usenet, which is a shame. And
I'm learning there are a large number of experienced audio guys that
could help them out that will never join this forum cause it is web
based, and that is a shame. The internet is a great way to share
information but you need to get everybody talking to one another
first.

Unfortunately, discussion too often devolves into bickering and worse.

I've been know to start arguments, simply to make other people look foolish
in their ignorance. It never works, though, because 99.9999% of humans
never, ever question what they know to be true.

Damn it, Jim! I'm an engineer and that figure is 99.9998%

Regards,

Ty Ford



--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
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On Aug 21, 11:07*am, Ty Ford wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:56:49 -0400, John Williamson wrote
(in article ):

wrote:
Hi there

I moderate a discussion group on reddit for audio engineers. I used to
frequent this group and found it to be a great resource. I would like
to bring r/audioengineering up to that level. We have some
knowledgeable people but could use some more big boys (Mike Rivers,
Scott Dorsey,George Massenburg and the rest... I'm talking to you!).

lemme' know when George signs up.

Regards,

Ty Ford

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I like to dream big.

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

William Sommerwerck wrote:
I agree that correctly explaining balanced and unbalanced
signals is not easy. I'm not altogether sure where I would start.

I'd start that with "ground is neither + nor -."

Or how about "The ground reference does not carry the signal"?



Even better. I was going for minimal symbol use.

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Les Cargill

[Steve King]

wrote in message
...
On Aug 21, 7:52 am, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote:
Unfortunately, discussion too often devolves into bickering and worse.
I've been know to start arguments, simply to make other people
look foolish in their ignorance. It never works, though, because
99.9999% of humans never, ever question what they know to be true.
This isn't politics or religion, this is engineering.

Would that it were.

Human beings are not interested in the truth, or the search for it. Once
people decide they "understand" something, they hardly ever change their
minds. If you'd like to have a conversation about this off-line, I'd be
happy to give you some examples.

I have one. How about thinking that web based audio engineering forums
are inherently bad?

I don't find them inherently bad. I just find them clunky to maneuver, slow
compared to the elegance of the newsgroup model. I only have so much time
to indulge in the pleasures of on-line conversations about my interests.
So, I choose the spots that feel most comfortable. This is maybe the very
best.

Steve King

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

Steve King wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Aug 21, 7:52 am, "William
wrote:
Unfortunately, discussion too often devolves into bickering and worse.
I've been know to start arguments, simply to make other people
look foolish in their ignorance. It never works, though, because
99.9999% of humans never, ever question what they know to be true.
This isn't politics or religion, this is engineering.

Would that it were.

Human beings are not interested in the truth, or the search for it. Once
people decide they "understand" something, they hardly ever change their
minds. If you'd like to have a conversation about this off-line, I'd be
happy to give you some examples.

I have one. How about thinking that web based audio engineering forums
are inherently bad?

I don't find them inherently bad. I just find them clunky to maneuver, slow
compared to the elegance of the newsgroup model. I only have so much time
to indulge in the pleasures of on-line conversations about my interests.
So, I choose the spots that feel most comfortable. This is maybe the very
best.

Steve King




Web fora are inherently bad. Nobody ever owns a newsgroup. Somebody
always owns a web forum. There is a comprehensive list of all
available newsgroups published through my newsreader. Nothing
even remotely like that exists for web fora.

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On Aug 21, 12:45*pm, "Steve King"
wrote:
wrote in message

...
On Aug 21, 7:52 am, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote:

Unfortunately, discussion too often devolves into bickering and worse.
I've been know to start arguments, simply to make other people
look foolish in their ignorance. It never works, though, because
99.9999% of humans never, ever question what they know to be true.
This isn't politics or religion, this is engineering.

Would that it were.

Human beings are not interested in the truth, or the search for it. Once
people decide they "understand" something, they hardly ever change their
minds. If you'd like to have a conversation about this off-line, I'd be
happy to give you some examples.

I have one. How about thinking that web based audio engineering forums
are inherently bad?

I don't find them inherently bad. *I just find them clunky to maneuver, slow
compared to the elegance of the newsgroup model. *I only have so much time
to indulge in the pleasures of on-line conversations about my interests.
So, I choose the spots that feel most comfortable. *This is maybe the very
best.

Steve King

....and you will never question it cause you know it to be true.

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On Aug 21, 12:56*pm, Les Cargill wrote:
Steve King wrote:
*wrote in message
...
On Aug 21, 7:52 am, "William
wrote:
Unfortunately, discussion too often devolves into bickering and worse.
I've been know to start arguments, simply to make other people
look foolish in their ignorance. It never works, though, because
99.9999% of humans never, ever question what they know to be true.
This isn't politics or religion, this is engineering.

Would that it were.

Human beings are not interested in the truth, or the search for it. Once
people decide they "understand" something, they hardly ever change their
minds. If you'd like to have a conversation about this off-line, I'd be
happy to give you some examples.

I have one. How about thinking that web based audio engineering forums
are inherently bad?

I don't find them inherently bad. *I just find them clunky to maneuver, slow
compared to the elegance of the newsgroup model. *I only have so much time
to indulge in the pleasures of on-line conversations about my interests..
So, I choose the spots that feel most comfortable. *This is maybe the very
best.

Steve King

Web fora are inherently bad. Nobody ever owns a newsgroup. Somebody
always owns a web forum. There is a comprehensive list of all
available newsgroups published through my newsreader. Nothing
even remotely like that exists for web fora.

--
Les Cargill

I totally agree with you.

[Mike Rivers]

On 8/21/2011 12:45 PM, Steve King wrote:

I have one. How about thinking that web based audio engineering forums
are inherently bad?

I don't find them inherently bad. I just find them clunky to maneuver, slow
compared to the elegance of the newsgroup model.

Maybe I'm doing it wrong. I use Eternal September for my
news source (this is the only newsgroup I read) and use
Thunderbird as my news reader. I don't really see much
difference in time spent between reading rec.audio.pro in
Thunderbird than in reading, say, Gearslutz, on the web.

Time spent in the newsgroup is how long it takes me to read
a message or decide to ignore it, and that's the same no
matter how it gets to my screen. The difference is that I
have Thunderbird configured to delete newsgroup posts after
a couple of days so my disk won't get full of stuff I have
no need for, so if I want to see a post in the thread from
several days back, I go to Google Groups.

Good posters quote enough of the message to which they're
responding so I know what they're talking about and rarely
need to go to "the archive." .

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operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although
it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge
of audio." - John Watkinson

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