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Mike Rivers wrote: "spoil my listening experience, but it's things like gross clipping (not
just "make it louder" clipping" or flutter, not a slight loss of detail on the ride cymbal. There are certain forms of music that I wouldn't enjoy even if it was played from a high resolution WAV file. It's unfortunate that so many people claim that lower fidelity listening spoils the joy of listening to music" Absolutely! And remember, differences between formats impact the fidelity far less than client requests and mastering decisions regarding EQ, brickwall limiting, and compression. I have plenty 128k and 160k mp3s of unremastered sources that are backed up to CD-R & hard drive simply because a lossless unremastered source for those rareties and one-hit wonders is simply no longer available. |
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On 1/07/2014 11:19 p.m., Mike Rivers wrote:
On 7/1/2014 2:55 AM, geoff wrote: I've never heard a 128kbps MP3 that I could enjoy though - even in the car. And my ears are far to old to be considered 'golden' . I don't "enjoy" the file, I'm entertained by the music. When I'm driving, my mind is really on something else. If it sounded any good you may find that you can actually enjoy the music ! As long as I'm hearing music that's of the type I enjoy, when on the road, the lowest quality MP3 is better than what I can get on the car radio in most places, or for very long. There are certain forms of distortion that do indeed spoil my listening experience, but it's things like gross clipping (not just "make it louder" clipping" or flutter, not a slight loss of detail on the ride cymbal. There are certain forms of music that I wouldn't enjoy even if it was played from a high resolution WAV file. It's unfortunate that so many people claim that lower fidelity listening spoils the joy of listening to music. I thought you got no joy (above) from music , only entertainment .... In my car I can easily tell when FM stations are playing {inferiorly) encoded music. Not all FM stations use mass-streamed feeds, and some play actual CDs or vinyl exclusively. They also tend to be the ones who treat their audio processing better. geoff |
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On 7/1/2014 5:24 PM, geoff wrote:
If it sounded any good you may find that you can actually enjoy the music ! It sounds fine, and since I only load up my player with music that I enjoy, I can enjoy it just fine even if THE FILE that it's playing from is an MP3. I thought you got no joy (above) from music , only entertainment .... I'm not sure I see the difference. I enjoy being entertained by the music I'm hearing. If I was listening to thrash metal instead of bluegrass, for examples, I wouldn't enjoy it and I wouldn't be entertained. Some of this stuff comes off 78s, ferchrissake. Why should I worry about quality. In my car I can easily tell when FM stations are playing {inferiorly) encoded music. Not all FM stations use mass-streamed feeds, and some play actual CDs or vinyl exclusively. They also tend to be the ones who treat their audio processing better. I wish that was true, but even the classical station here buggers up their music to some extent. Bluegrasscountry.org boosts the low end, both on their on-line stream and on-air broadcast (which I expect comes from the same source as the stream). But this doesn't trouble me. Perhaps some forms of music which I don't listen to become more offensive when processed for broadcast or on-line streaming (or downloading), but then if I'm offended by the music when it's in good shape, I'm not going to listen to it when it's buggered. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fJmmDkvQyc "A Song of Reproduction" - Flanders & Swann -- For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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wrote in message ... Vinyl, in a car or portable? Hey it was done once upon a time. I'll take an MP3 over that. Me too. Trevor. |
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"geoff" wrote in message ... On 1/07/2014 1:03 a.m., wrote: Vinyl, in a car or portable? I'll take an MP3 over that. Now you are resorting to silliness. Not at all, both were available once upon a time. Vinyl tended to skip a lot over bumps in a car though! :-) Trevor. |
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"geoff" wrote in message ... On 1/07/2014 1:03 a.m., wrote: Vinyl, in a car or portable? I'll take an MP3 over that. Now you are resorting to silliness. Not at all, both were available once upon a time. Vinyl tended to skip a lot over bumps in a car though! :-) Trevor. |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message ... On 7/1/2014 2:55 AM, geoff wrote: I've never heard a 128kbps MP3 that I could enjoy though - even in the car. And my ears are far to old to be considered 'golden' . I don't "enjoy" the file, I'm entertained by the music. When I'm driving, my mind is really on something else. As long as I'm hearing music that's of the type I enjoy, when on the road, the lowest quality MP3 is better than what I can get on the car radio in most places, or for very long. There are certain forms of distortion that do indeed spoil my listening experience, but it's things like gross clipping (not just "make it louder" clipping" or flutter, not a slight loss of detail on the ride cymbal. There are certain forms of music that I wouldn't enjoy even if it was played from a high resolution WAV file. It's unfortunate that so many people claim that lower fidelity listening spoils the joy of listening to music. Pretty much sums up my opinion. I enjoy, and have certainly paid for over the years, the highest possible fidelity I can afford for critical listening. But just as I would rather listen to cassettes in the car than radio or nothing once upon a time, I'm now quite happy with MP3, even 128kbs at a pinch, although there is no real reason to use that any more. Trevor. |
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On 7/2/2014 4:14 AM, Trevor wrote:
I enjoy, and have certainly paid for over the years, the highest possible fidelity I can afford for critical listening. But just as I would rather listen to cassettes in the car than radio or nothing once upon a time, I'm now quite happy with MP3, even 128kbs at a pinch, although there is no real reason to use that any more. You'd probably be revolted by my car playback system. My car is a 2003 model which has both a cassette and CD player, but the CD player won't play a data disk, so it won't play audio files on disk. I have a stand-alone MP3 player (4 GB, $12 at Micro Center) with a cassette adapter plugged into the headphone output, so the audio path is MP3 - cassette adapter - cassette player - speakers. Most of what I listen to are 128 kbps files recorded from whatever Internet stream the station broadcasts (some 129 kbps some lower). But I like the music, the fact that it's for the most part selected by a knowledgeable DJ, and without commercials, political, or religious rantings. A friend got a new car (2013 Nissan something) with a USB connector on it. I brought over a thumb drive with some music files to show him what he could do with it. It would play MP3s, but not WAV. I didn't try other "lossless" formats like AAC or FLAC. -- For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message ... On 7/2/2014 4:14 AM, Trevor wrote: I enjoy, and have certainly paid for over the years, the highest possible fidelity I can afford for critical listening. But just as I would rather listen to cassettes in the car than radio or nothing once upon a time, I'm now quite happy with MP3, even 128kbs at a pinch, although there is no real reason to use that any more. You'd probably be revolted by my car playback system. My car is a 2003 model which has both a cassette and CD player, but the CD player won't play a data disk, so it won't play audio files on disk. I have a stand-alone MP3 player (4 GB, $12 at Micro Center) with a cassette adapter plugged into the headphone output, so the audio path is MP3 - cassette adapter - cassette player - speakers. Most of what I listen to are 128 kbps files recorded from whatever Internet stream the station broadcasts (some 129 kbps some lower). But I like the music, the fact that it's for the most part selected by a knowledgeable DJ, and without commercials, political, or religious rantings. Not me. I've already got more music than I can listen to in my lifetime, so I have no need for someone else's idea of what I should listen to, commercials or otherwise. And while I don't have a problem with MP3 in the car, a cassette adapter is not something I'd stoop to. You could buy a new radio/CD/MP3 car player for $100 or so, I can't imagine you can't afford that. And unlike many new cars, most older ones can fit standard radio's quite easily. A friend got a new car (2013 Nissan something) with a USB connector on it. I brought over a thumb drive with some music files to show him what he could do with it. It would play MP3s, but not WAV. I didn't try other "lossless" formats like AAC or FLAC. Yes, I've found that quite a few don't play .wav, but frankly how many car systems could justify the difference between 320kbs (or high bit rate VBR) MP3 and wav anyway? You can get far more MP3's on your USB stick, so why bother with waves in the car? That cassette adapter OTOH! :-) Trevor. |
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On 7/2/2014 7:48 AM, Trevor wrote:
Not me. I've already got more music than I can listen to in my lifetime, so I have no need for someone else's idea of what I should listen to, That's the trouble with kids these days. I occasionally get something out of my collection to play (in the living room, on real speakers, sitting on the couch) but I enjoy hearing what's new. Mind you, I don't run out and buy something because I heard it on the radio and I liked it (artists trying to make a living may berate me here), it's just entertainment - here and gone. I make my donations to the radio stations. I hope that one of these days they work out a way for the stations to pay the artists. a cassette adapter is not something I'd stoop to. You could buy a new radio/CD/MP3 car player for $100 or so, I can't imagine you can't afford that. And unlike many new cars, most older ones can fit standard radio's quite easily. I could afford it, but the radio is so integrated into the dashboard of the car, with amplifiers scattered here and there, under the seats, in the trunk, that there's no aftermarket replacement for the built-in audio system, at least not in the Crutchfield catalog, which I figure is the bible. I've had a number of rental cars that have an MP3 player built into the radio and I've been really disappointed with the way some of them work. When you turn off the radio or the ignition, it doesn't remember where you were in the file that was playing. Some of them don't even remember what file was playing last and starts with the first file in the folder unless you scroll through the directory listing manually and pick out the one you want. It might not matter to someone with 1,000 songs on a memory stick and the player set to random selection, but, I have about a dozen "songs" each of which is two or three hours long. I have had cars (I think the Toyota Camry) that do just what I want and simply pick up playing where it left off, but nobody who writes about cars ever thinks this is important enough to check and report on. -- For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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On 7/2/2014 8:05 AM, Mike Rivers wrote:
I could afford it, but the radio is so integrated into the dashboard of the car, with amplifiers scattered here and there, under the seats, in the trunk, that there's no aftermarket replacement for the built-in audio system, at least not in the Crutchfield catalog, which I figure is the bible. I've had a number of rental cars that have an MP3 player built into the radio and I've been really disappointed with the way some of them work. When you turn off the radio or the ignition, it doesn't remember where you were in the file that was playing. Some of them don't even remember what file was playing last and starts with the first file in the folder unless you scroll through the directory listing manually and pick out the one you want. It might not matter to someone with 1,000 songs on a memory stick and the player set to random selection, but, I have about a dozen "songs" each of which is two or three hours long. I have had cars (I think the Toyota Camry) that do just what I want and simply pick up playing where it left off, but nobody who writes about cars ever thinks this is important enough to check and report on. The other problem, I have heard, is that most of the car stereos with USB ports will not play .WAV files, so you are forced to convert to MP3. If someone knows of a good car stereo with a USB port that will play both MP3 and WAV, I'd like to know about it. It would be great to check my mixes in the car, without burning a CD...... |
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On 3/07/2014 1:22 p.m., Paul wrote:
The other problem, I have heard, is that most of the car stereos with USB ports will not play .WAV files, so you are forced to convert to MP3. If someone knows of a good car stereo with a USB port that will play both MP3 and WAV, I'd like to know about it. It would be great to check my mixes in the car, without burning a CD...... Car stereos with with iPod capability play ALAC lossless, and presumably there are IOS apps that allow FLAC to be played (= same thing as WAV/LPCM, effectively). But Apple being Apple, maybe they ban FLAC capability from their AppStore .... geoff |
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geoff wrote: "But Apple being Apple, maybe they ban FLAC capability from their AppStore"
That company will never be the same since Jobs left. But if he could come back? Look. Out. ! |
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On 7/2/2014 9:22 PM, Paul wrote:
If someone knows of a good car stereo with a USB port that will play both MP3 and WAV, I'd like to know about it. It would be great to check my mixes in the car, without burning a CD...... Burning a CD costs a lot less, and is far less bother, than buying a new car. But you might want to look for a car (or a radio upgrade) that has a line input jack. Now that new cars no longer have a cassette player, when I travel, I leave my cassette adapter in my car at home and carry a mini phone plug cable to connect my player to the rental car if it has a jack for it. -- For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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On Thursday, July 3, 2014 6:31:32 AM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
On 3/07/2014 9:27 p.m., the l.com wrote: geoff wrote: "But Apple being Apple, maybe they ban FLAC capability from their AppStore" That company will never be the same since Jobs left. But if he could come back? Look. Out. ! It was a c**t of a company then, just as now. He was chief c**t at the time. Let's not make a god out of him. geoff Attention, attention! "None.." is masquerading as geoff! |
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On Thursday, July 3, 2014 7:46:53 AM UTC-4, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 7/2/2014 9:22 PM, Paul wrote: If someone knows of a good car stereo with a USB port that will play both MP3 and WAV, I'd like to know about it. It would be great to check my mixes in the car, without burning a CD...... Burning a CD costs a lot less, and is far less bother, than buying a new car. But you might want to look for a car (or a radio upgrade) that has a line input jack. Now that new cars no longer have a cassette player, when I travel, I leave my cassette adapter in my car at home and carry a mini phone plug cable to connect my player to the rental car if it has a jack for it. -- For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com ____________ A bit off-topic Mike, but an acquaintance of mine owns a 2012 Subaru Impreza. The stereo is typical modern stock, decent features: CD/FM-AM/Aux in. Problem is, the head unit has a button for Aux-in, but under the arm-rest console the Aux-jack was not there - labeled Aux but just a plastic cover that resisted all prying off. So evidently the Aux was an option via Subaru. Still, there shouldn't have been an Aux button on the stereo if an aux jack wasn't ordered by the original buyer! smh |
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Mike Rivers wrote: "radio faceplate. Or maybe they just forgot to install the jack. Does pressing the button do anything, like change the radio display to Aux? "
Negatory. Current radio station or CD keeps playing. "Or maybe he just didn't look in the right place for the jack. " I thought I mentioned it was under armrest in console - I'm DJ, in passenger side. Dropping ipod/mp3 in gas filler pipe? LOL never, but I damn near fed it to johnny a couple times. |
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On 7/3/2014 7:53 PM, wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote: "radio faceplate. Or maybe they just forgot to install the jack. Does pressing the button do anything, like change the radio display to Aux? " Negatory. Current radio station or CD keeps playing. "Or maybe he just didn't look in the right place for the jack. " I thought I mentioned it was under armrest in console - I'm DJ, in passenger side. So there's a button that doesn't do anything, and a jack that you don't know whether it's connected or not because your "test set" doesn't work. I'd ask the dealer about it. If he says that's an option that you (or the owner) didn't buy, then, well, it'd kind of silly to have all the parts but not the function. Or maybe it's just broken. It might even be covered under the warranty. -- For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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Mike Rivers wrote: "know whether it's connected or not because your "test set" doesn't work. "
Test set? I told you, emperically, everything there is in that Impreza, audio-wise. Under the arm rest, in the cavity where one might store CDs, makeup, golf tees, etc, there is a small black plate upon which is labeled in white text "AUX In". Next to those words is a smaller black plate, maybe 1/2" by 1/2", which looks like a plug - a piece of plastic inserted to occupy the space where an option or feature would, if ordered, be installed. This is not complicated at all. I just think that the radio installed should reflect the absence(or presense) of all available/ordered features. |
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On 7/3/2014 9:31 PM, wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote: "know whether it's connected or not because your "test set" doesn't work. " Test set? "Test set" - the thing that you're using for testing, in this case, the radio. It could be a meter if a meter would tell you whether or not pressing the button engaged the Aux input. But the radio should serve that function. Under the arm rest, in the cavity where one might store CDs, makeup, golf tees, etc, there is a small black plate upon which is labeled in white text "AUX In". Next to those words is a smaller black plate, maybe 1/2" by 1/2", which looks like a plug - a piece of plastic inserted to occupy the space where an option or feature would, if ordered, be installed. That's the clue that I didn't understand or missed. If there's a hole plug where there should be a jack, then there's no jack. I just think that the radio installed should reflect the absence(or presense) of all available/ordered features. I agree. Or at least put a message up on the display that says "You didn't pay for this feature, you cheapskate!" -- For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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wrote in message ... Mike Rivers wrote: "know whether it's connected or not because your "test set" doesn't work. " I told you, emperically, everything there is in that Impreza, audio-wise. Under the arm rest, in the cavity where one might store CDs, makeup, golf tees, etc, there is a small black plate upon which is labeled in white text "AUX In". Next to those words is a smaller black plate, maybe 1/2" by 1/2", which looks like a plug - a piece of plastic inserted to occupy the space where an option or feature would, if ordered, be installed. This is not complicated at all. I just think that the radio installed should reflect the absence(or presense) of all available/ordered features. ------------------------------- Well if it's anything like some other cars I've seen, the radio has the features, and all you need is the wiring harness/socket. Why you think they should make different radio's, simply to prevent you from installing the harness yourself is beyond me. Then again these tricks don't actually save them much money, it's simply to have features that they can charge *much* more for on higher spec models. :-( Trevor. |
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On Friday, July 4, 2014 7:47:36 AM UTC-4, Trevor wrote:
l.com wrote in message news:df587781-bc1d-498d-a4broups.com... Mike Rivers wrote: "know whether it's connected or not because your "test set" doesn't work. " I told you, emperically, everything there is in that Impreza, audio-wise.. Under the arm rest, in the cavity where one might store CDs, makeup, golf tees, etc, there is a small black plate upon which is labeled in white text "AUX In". Next to those words is a smaller black plate, maybe 1/2" by 1/2", which looks like a plug - a piece of plastic inserted to occupy the space where an option or feature would, if ordered, be installed. This is not complicated at all. I just think that the radio installed should reflect the absence(or presense) of all available/ordered features. ------------------------------- Well if it's anything like some other cars I've seen, the radio has the features, and all you need is the wiring harness/socket. Why you think they should make different radio's, simply to prevent you from installing the harness yourself is beyond me. Then again these tricks don't actually save them much money, it's simply to have features that they can charge *much* more for on higher spec models. :-( Trevor. __________ The reason they shouldn't use the same faceplate(one with an Aux button) where an aux jack is not installed is that it's FRUSTRATING - not just for my friend but for anyone in such a situation. You all pile into the ride, road trip to... wherever, and your passengers all want to take turns deejaying. So the one in front presses aux, and looks on the dash, no aux jack. Looks under the arm rest, sees this plate engraved "Aux In", but no mini jack! Major bummer, unless the car has Bluetooth.. Which in that case, if it's too cheap to supply an Aux jack, why would it have bluetooth? smh at the whole mess... |
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On 7/4/2014 7:47 AM, Trevor wrote:
Well if it's anything like some other cars I've seen, the radio has the features, and all you need is the wiring harness/socket. Why you think they should make different radio's, simply to prevent you from installing the harness yourself is beyond me. Then again these tricks don't actually save them much money, it's simply to have features that they can charge *much* more for on higher spec models. :-( Back in the 1960s when not all cars had air conditioning, you could rent a car with or without. If you rented it without, they simply unplugged the wire to the compressor clutch. But you don't want to know how I know that, do you? -- For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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On 7/4/2014 9:24 AM, wrote:
your passengers all want to take turns deejaying. So the one in front presses aux, and looks on the dash, no aux jack. Looks under the arm rest, sees this plate engraved "Aux In", but no mini jack! Major bummer, unless the car has Bluetooth. Which in that case, if it's too cheap to supply an Aux jack, why would it have bluetooth? Well, you can just tell your friends that you were too cheap to buy that option. Would someone else like to take their car instead? Bluetooth can be viewed as a safety feature so you can use a Bluetooth-equipped phone (seems most are) hands free. I once tried to "pair" my tablet with the Bluetooth in a car (that was perfectly happy with my phone) but it didn't see it at all. So, at least in that car, Bluetooth couldn't be used for playing music from the tablet through the radio. Did you try that in your friend's car to see if it worked? Where there's a will, occasionally there's a way, but it's not guaranteed. -- For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
Again: You're way overcomplicating things. Did I mention anywhere that my friends stereo had Bluetooth? How could I test something that doesn't exist in this setup? There's no BT button anywhere. I gave you all the facts 5 or 6 posts ago. |
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wrote in message
... Again: You're way overcomplicating things. Did I mention anywhere that my friends stereo had Bluetooth? "Major bummer, unless the car has Bluetooth." How could I test something that doesn't exist in this setup? There's no BT button anywhere. Then why did you bring up Bluetooth? I gave you all the facts 5 or 6 posts ago. Poor baby. Time for your nap? |
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Mike Rivers wrote: "On 7/4/2014 1:58 PM, wrote:
Again: You're way overcomplicating things. Did I mention anywhere that my friends stereo had Bluetooth? No, but you DID mention Bluetooth. - show quoted text -" Read carefully. I mentioned BT in the **context**(see there's that word again - everyone takes K-Man out of context dammit!) of a car that dispensed with a physical Aux In in favor of Bluetooth. I then - listen closely - said that wouldn't make sense to put in a higher end interface(BT) in lieu of a 'low end' jack. I never implied that my friend's Impreza had BT capability. |
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kbaby sucks @ gmail.com wrote in message
... I then - listen closely - said that wouldn't make sense to put in a higher end interface(BT) in lieu of a 'low end' jack. Bluetooth is "higher end" than a jack? Nobody has to take you out of context, K-infant. Your own posts stand alone as a testament to what an ignorant little child you are. |
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On 05/07/2014 15:05, None wrote:
kbaby sucks @ gmail.com wrote in message ... I then - listen closely - said that wouldn't make sense to put in a higher end interface(BT) in lieu of a 'low end' jack. Bluetooth is "higher end" than a jack? Nobody has to take you out of context, K-infant. Your own posts stand alone as a testament to what an ignorant little child you are. In the marketing world, Bluetooth connectivity rates far higher than any feeble piece pof wire... In the real world, give me the wire every time. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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John Williamson wrote: "the real world, give me the wire every time. "
+1!! |
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On 6/07/2014 2:05 a.m., None wrote:
kbaby sucks @ gmail.com wrote in message ... I then - listen closely - said that wouldn't make sense to put in a higher end interface(BT) in lieu of a 'low end' jack. Bluetooth is "higher end" than a jack? Nobody has to take you out of context, K-infant. Your own posts stand alone as a testament to what an ignorant little child you are. Also, Bluetooth is inherently a lossy format. Wire can be full-spec linear. geoff |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message ... Back in the 1960s when not all cars had air conditioning, you could rent a car with or without. If you rented it without, they simply unplugged the wire to the compressor clutch. But you don't want to know how I know that, do you? Obviously everyone (and their friends) who had to disconnect that wire knew about it, and anyone else with some mechanical knowledge who wondered why there was air-con controls, compressor etc. fitted to the car, but no cold air :-) Trevor. |
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"geoff" wrote in message
... Also, Bluetooth is inherently a lossy format. Is it? How would it work, then, with a printer connection? Or a MindStorms brick? |
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On 06/07/2014 14:23, William Sommerwerck wrote:
"geoff" wrote in message ... Also, Bluetooth is inherently a lossy format. Is it? How would it work, then, with a printer connection? Or a MindStorms brick? Sloppy phrasing, I fear. Bluetooth uses a number of different protocols, not all of which guarantee perfect data transfer. The maximum guaranteed data rate that Bluetooth supports can't support real time streaming of uncompressed audio data, especially at or near its range limit. Also, printers don't care *when* a particular packet arrives, they just patiently wait for it, and Mindstorms don't use *that* much data. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On 06/07/2014 12:03, Trevor wrote:
"Mike Rivers" wrote in message ... Back in the 1960s when not all cars had air conditioning, you could rent a car with or without. If you rented it without, they simply unplugged the wire to the compressor clutch. But you don't want to know how I know that, do you? Obviously everyone (and their friends) who had to disconnect that wire knew about it, and anyone else with some mechanical knowledge who wondered why there was air-con controls, compressor etc. fitted to the car, but no cold air :-) Who amount to about 1% of the expected hirers for that car, I'd say. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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William Sommerwerck wrote:
"geoff" wrote in message ... Also, Bluetooth is inherently a lossy format. Is it? How would it work, then, with a printer connection? Or a MindStorms brick? Different protocol. Physical layer is the same, but up above it isn't. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"John Williamson" wrote in message ... On 06/07/2014 12:03, Trevor wrote: "Mike Rivers" wrote in message ... Back in the 1960s when not all cars had air conditioning, you could rent a car with or without. If you rented it without, they simply unplugged the wire to the compressor clutch. But you don't want to know how I know that, do you? Obviously everyone (and their friends) who had to disconnect that wire knew about it, and anyone else with some mechanical knowledge who wondered why there was air-con controls, compressor etc. fitted to the car, but no cold air :-) Who amount to about 1% of the expected hirers for that car, I'd say. Probably true, which is why they wouldn't care. It does amaze me the lengths some companies go to, to stuff their customers around in the hope of an extra buck though. Nothing has changed on that score. Trevor. |
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