[Clyde Slick]

On 7 Sep, 22:46, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 7, 5:10*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

Having pride in on'e country should not be a vacillating
thing. Not something sporadic that would change form year to year,
or be dependent on any particular administration. Pride covers all our
history,
our accomplishments, our instituions, our Constitution,
our whole society.

What brainless tripe.

Germans, therefore, should not be embarassed, or even consider, the
Nazi regime in their "pride" about Germany.

Your brand of thoughtless patriotism is dangerous. No wonder you're a
republican.

Well that certainly is a big stain, but what about the
philosophers, scientists, and overall culture
of accomplishment and advancement
that came for Germany. Shouldm Germans
feel proud to be Germans, or should they be ashamed, overall?
Are you ashamed to be an American?
I wonder why someone so full of shame
for his own country would aspire to
be a military offcer in that country's army.

[MiNe 109]

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On 7 Sep, 22:46, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 7, 5:10*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

Having pride in on'e country should not be a vacillating
thing. Not something sporadic that would change form year to year,
or be dependent on any particular administration. Pride covers all our
history,
our accomplishments, our instituions, our Constitution,
our whole society.

What brainless tripe.

Germans, therefore, should not be embarassed, or even consider, the
Nazi regime in their "pride" about Germany.

Your brand of thoughtless patriotism is dangerous. No wonder you're a
republican.

Well that certainly is a big stain, but what about the
philosophers, scientists, and overall culture
of accomplishment and advancement
that came for Germany. Shouldm Germans
feel proud to be Germans, or should they be ashamed, overall?

That's binary thinking.

Are you ashamed to be an American?
I wonder why someone so full of shame
for his own country would aspire to
be a military offcer in that country's army.

Did you see CBS Sunday Morning?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4423163.shtml

His [Bing West's] latest book, "The Strongest Tribe: War, Politics, and
the Endgame in Iraq" (Random House), is the product of 20 months on the
front lines in Iraq. It's a bottom-up view of the war, which West
believes is the only view that matters.

"This is not a book about great men," he said. "This is not a book about
how terrific or how bad President Bush was, or General Petraeus. They
didn't win or lose the war. The war was fought at that people level, at
the ground level."

And it tells a very different story from the memoirs and inside-the-Oval
Office exposes that have been written so far.

"When I hear people say, 'We just needed more troops,' I'd say, 'What
were you gonna do with those troops when you didn't have a plan, you
didn't have a strategy, you didn't have a doctrine, and you had poor
leaders at the top who didn't "get it," didn't understand the
situation?'"

West says the only ones who did "get it" were mid-ranking officers.

"They believed they understood the situation. They were the ones out
there, but they weren't listened to."

--

Stephen

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 8, 9:43*am, Clyde Slick wrote:
On 7 Sep, 22:46, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 7, 5:10*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

Having pride in on'e country should not be a vacillating
thing. Not something sporadic that would change form year to year,
or be dependent on any particular administration. Pride covers all our
history,
our accomplishments, our instituions, our Constitution,
our whole society.

What brainless tripe.

Germans, therefore, should not be embarassed, or even consider, the
Nazi regime in their "pride" about Germany.

Your brand of thoughtless patriotism is dangerous. No wonder you're a
republican.

Well that certainly is a big stain, but what about the
philosophers, scientists, and overall culture
of accomplishment and advancement
that came for Germany. Shouldm Germans
feel proud to be Germans, or should they be ashamed, overall?

That was not what you said. What you said was that Germans should be
proud to be Germans, no matter what. "Not something sporadic that
would change form year to year or be dependent on any particular
administration."

Hitler's regime was an "administration". If I was German, I would not
likely be "proud" of the years 1932-1945. I would not be "proud of the
Holocaust. I would be ashamed of it, and of my country.

Are you ashamed to be an American?

No. But I am not always proud of my country either. bushie has made me
embarrassed for us many, many times.

I think thoughtless, brainless patriotism such as that you are
advocating is dangerous.

I wonder why someone so full of shame
for his own country would aspire to
be a military offcer in that country's army.

I wonder why you are so prone to strawmen. Are you drinking while
posting?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 8, 10:08*am, MiNe 109 wrote:

"This is not a book about great men," he said. "This is not a book about
how terrific or how bad President Bush was, or General Petraeus. They
didn't win or lose the war. The war was fought at that people level, at
the ground level."

And it tells a very different story from the memoirs and inside-the-Oval
Office exposes that have been written so far.

"When I hear people say, 'We just needed more troops,' I'd say, 'What
were you gonna do with those troops when you didn't have a plan, you
didn't have a strategy, you didn't have a doctrine, and you had poor
leaders at the top who didn't "get it," didn't understand the
situation?'"

West says the only ones who did "get it" were mid-ranking officers.

"They believed they understood the situation. They were the ones out
there, but they weren't listened to."

I found this interesting. It sounds like not even the generals were
listened to. I may have to read Woodward's book:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26599374

The simple among us will say that "the surge worked and was
responsible for calming Iraq down". I think we should also give a
medal to al-Sadr. ;-)

[George M. Middius[_4_]]

Shhhh! said:

I found this interesting. It sounds like not even the generals were
listened to.

That is exactly what Woodward claimed on 60 Minutes yesterday. None of the
military leaders were in favor of the surge, so Bush replaced them all,
including Rumsfeld. Petraeus had been advocating sending more troops for a
while, so Bush put him in charge.

Woodward went on to say that in his view, Bush's objective was to create a
situation in Iraq that the next President would almost have to maintain
until "victory" is accomplished.

[Clyde Slick]

On 8 Sep, 15:54, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 8, 9:43*am, Clyde Slick wrote:





On 7 Sep, 22:46, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 7, 5:10*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

Having pride in on'e country should not be a vacillating
thing. Not something sporadic that would change form year to year,
or be dependent on any particular administration. Pride covers all our
history,
our accomplishments, our instituions, our Constitution,
our whole society.

What brainless tripe.

Germans, therefore, should not be embarassed, or even consider, the
Nazi regime in their "pride" about Germany.

Your brand of thoughtless patriotism is dangerous. No wonder you're a
republican.

Well that certainly is a big stain, but what about the
philosophers, scientists, and overall culture
of accomplishment and advancement
that came for Germany. Shouldm Germans
feel proud to be Germans, or should they be ashamed, overall?

That was not what you said. What you said was that Germans should be
proud to be Germans, no matter what. "Not something sporadic that
would change form year to year or be dependent on any particular
administration."



LOL!!!
I dodn't say a damn thing about Germans or Germany.
You bought it up first, and I asked you a question about Germans.



Hitler's regime was an "administration". If I was German, I would not
likely be "proud" of the years 1932-1945. I would not be "proud of the
Holocaust. I would be ashamed of it, and of my country.



Would you be just ashamed of that one era, or ashamed
of Germany in its totality?
You didn't answer my question.
If you were a german, do you think that
you would be proud to be a german, or ashamed to be a German?




Are you ashamed to be an American?

No. But I am not always proud of my country either. bushie has made me
embarrassed for us many, many times.

I think thoughtless, brainless patriotism such as that you are
advocating is dangerous.


Its neither thoughtless or brainless, imy opinion is based on
our entire entity, our
history, our culture and our institutions.
the good, and the bad, in total.

I wonder why someone so full of shame
for his own country would aspire to
be a military offcer in that country's army.

I wonder why you are so prone to strawmen. Are you drinking while
posting?-


Its just another good point to consider.
there is little correlation between
your beliefs and your claimed activities.

[MiNe 109]

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On 8 Sep, 15:54, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 8, 9:43*am, Clyde Slick wrote:





On 7 Sep, 22:46, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 7, 5:10*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

Having pride in on'e country should not be a vacillating
thing. Not something sporadic that would change form year to year,
or be dependent on any particular administration. Pride covers all our
history,
our accomplishments, our instituions, our Constitution,
our whole society.

What brainless tripe.

Germans, therefore, should not be embarassed, or even consider, the
Nazi regime in their "pride" about Germany.

Your brand of thoughtless patriotism is dangerous. No wonder you're a
republican.

Well that certainly is a big stain, but what about the
philosophers, scientists, and overall culture
of accomplishment and advancement
that came for Germany. Shouldm Germans
feel proud to be Germans, or should they be ashamed, overall?

That was not what you said. What you said was that Germans should be
proud to be Germans, no matter what. "Not something sporadic that
would change form year to year or be dependent on any particular
administration."



LOL!!!
I dodn't say a damn thing about Germans or Germany.
You bought it up first, and I asked you a question about Germans.

As Americans are to the USA, Germans are to Germany, pride-wise.

It works for other nations, too.

Stephen

[Clyde Slick]

On 8 Sep, 18:21, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:





On 8 Sep, 15:54, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 8, 9:43*am, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 7 Sep, 22:46, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 7, 5:10*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

Having pride in on'e country should not be a vacillating
thing. Not something sporadic that would change form year to year,
or be dependent on any particular administration. Pride covers all our
history,
our accomplishments, our instituions, our Constitution,
our whole society.

What brainless tripe.

Germans, therefore, should not be embarassed, or even consider, the
Nazi regime in their "pride" about Germany.

Your brand of thoughtless patriotism is dangerous. No wonder you're a
republican.

Well that certainly is a big stain, but what about the
philosophers, scientists, and overall culture
of accomplishment and advancement
that came for Germany. Shouldm Germans
feel proud to be Germans, or should they be ashamed, overall?

That was not what you said. What you said was that Germans should be
proud to be Germans, no matter what. "Not something sporadic that
would change form year to year or be dependent on any particular
administration."

LOL!!!
I dodn't say a damn thing about Germans or Germany.
You bought it up first, and I asked you a question about Germans.

As Americans are to the USA, Germans are to Germany, pride-wise.

It works for other nations, too.

Stephen-

So, exactly what are you trying to say?
I didn't get anymore out of that than it being
an inocuous self evidient but meaningles blurb.

[MiNe 109]

In article
,
Clyde Slick wrote:

On 8 Sep, 18:21, MiNe 109 wrote:
In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:





On 8 Sep, 15:54, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 8, 9:43*am, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 7 Sep, 22:46, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 7, 5:10*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

Having pride in on'e country should not be a vacillating
thing. Not something sporadic that would change form year to
year,
or be dependent on any particular administration. Pride covers
all our
history,
our accomplishments, our instituions, our Constitution,
our whole society.

What brainless tripe.

Germans, therefore, should not be embarassed, or even consider, the
Nazi regime in their "pride" about Germany.

Your brand of thoughtless patriotism is dangerous. No wonder you're
a
republican.

Well that certainly is a big stain, but what about the
philosophers, scientists, and overall culture
of accomplishment and advancement
that came for Germany. Shouldm Germans
feel proud to be Germans, or should they be ashamed, overall?

That was not what you said. What you said was that Germans should be
proud to be Germans, no matter what. "Not something sporadic that
would change form year to year or be dependent on any particular
administration."

LOL!!!
I dodn't say a damn thing about Germans or Germany.
You bought it up first, and I asked you a question about Germans.

As Americans are to the USA, Germans are to Germany, pride-wise.

It works for other nations, too.

Stephen-

So, exactly what are you trying to say?
I didn't get anymore out of that than it being
an inocuous self evidient but meaningles blurb.

That your attitude pride lacks nuance.

Stephen

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 8, 5:07*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:
On 8 Sep, 15:54, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"





wrote:
On Sep 8, 9:43*am, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 7 Sep, 22:46, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 7, 5:10*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

Having pride in on'e country should not be a vacillating
thing. Not something sporadic that would change form year to year,
or be dependent on any particular administration. Pride covers all our
history,
our accomplishments, our instituions, our Constitution,
our whole society.

What brainless tripe.

Germans, therefore, should not be embarassed, or even consider, the
Nazi regime in their "pride" about Germany.

Your brand of thoughtless patriotism is dangerous. No wonder you're a
republican.

Well that certainly is a big stain, but what about the
philosophers, scientists, and overall culture
of accomplishment and advancement
that came for Germany. Shouldm Germans
feel proud to be Germans, or should they be ashamed, overall?

That was not what you said. What you said was that Germans should be
proud to be Germans, no matter what. "Not something sporadic that
would change form year to year or be dependent on any particular
administration."

LOL!!!
I dodn't say a damn thing about Germans or Germany.

As I frequently say to 2pid: "Duh".

You bought it up first, and I asked you a question about Germans.

And again, "Duh".

Hitler's regime was an "administration". If I was German, I would not
likely be "proud" of the years 1932-1945. I would not be "proud of the
Holocaust. I would be ashamed of it, and of my country.

Would you be just ashamed of that one era, or ashamed
of Germany in its totality?
You didn't answer my question.

Yes, I did.

If you were a german, do you think that
you would be proud to be a german, or ashamed to be a German?

Why is that a "yes-no" question? As I said, I would not be ashamed to
be a German. There would be some things about Germany I was proud of.
There would be other things that would not make me proud. Just like
the US.

Are you ashamed to be an American?

No. But I am not always proud of my country either. bushie has made me
embarrassed for us many, many times.

I think thoughtless, brainless patriotism such as that you are
advocating is dangerous.

Its neither thoughtless or brainless, imy opinion is based on
our entire entity, our
history, our culture and our institutions.
the good, and the bad, in total.

So you admit there is bad. Are you "proud" of the bad as well?

I wonder why someone so full of shame
for his own country would aspire to
be a military offcer in that country's army.

I wonder why you are so prone to strawmen. Are you drinking while
posting?-

Its just another good point to consider.

You mean 'point' I presume. It's not that good either, Clyde.

there is little correlation between
your beliefs and your claimed activities.

I did not serve as a strawman. LOL!

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 8, 7:15*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:
On 8 Sep, 18:21, MiNe 109 * wrote:





In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

On 8 Sep, 15:54, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 8, 9:43*am, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 7 Sep, 22:46, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 7, 5:10*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

Having pride in on'e country should not be a vacillating
thing. Not something sporadic that would change form year to year,
or be dependent on any particular administration. Pride covers all our
history,
our accomplishments, our instituions, our Constitution,
our whole society.

What brainless tripe.

Germans, therefore, should not be embarassed, or even consider, the
Nazi regime in their "pride" about Germany.

Your brand of thoughtless patriotism is dangerous. No wonder you're a
republican.

Well that certainly is a big stain, but what about the
philosophers, scientists, and overall culture
of accomplishment and advancement
that came for Germany. Shouldm Germans
feel proud to be Germans, or should they be ashamed, overall?

That was not what you said. What you said was that Germans should be
proud to be Germans, no matter what. "Not something sporadic that
would change form year to year or be dependent on any particular
administration."

LOL!!!
I dodn't say a damn thing about Germans or Germany.
You bought it up first, and I asked you a question about Germans.

As Americans are to the USA, Germans are to Germany, pride-wise.

It works for other nations, too.

Stephen-

So, exactly what are you trying to say?
I didn't get anymore out of that than it being
an inocuous self evidient but meaningles blurb.

Slowly, for the learning-impaired:

If I am to be proudly patriotic no matter what, regardless of the
administration or whatever actions the US took or takes or will take,
as *you* said, then the same applies to Germans and Hitler's Germany.
They should be proud of it all.

Get it, Clyde? Or are you saying that only those of us in the US
should be constantly "proud"?

Blind, stupid patriotism is worthless and dangerous. You go with the
GOP's "Country First". I'm sure it makes your heart swell with pride.
LOL!

[Clyde Slick]

On 8 Sep, 21:16, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 8, 5:07*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:


Germans, therefore, should not be embarassed, or even consider, the
Nazi regime in their "pride" about Germany.

Your brand of thoughtless patriotism is dangerous. No wonder you're a
republican.

Well that certainly is a big stain, but what about the
philosophers, scientists, and overall culture
of accomplishment and advancement
that came for Germany. Shouldm Germans
feel proud to be Germans, or should they be ashamed, overall?

That was not what you said. What you said was that Germans should be
proud to be Germans, no matter what. "Not something sporadic that
would change form year to year or be dependent on any particular
administration."

LOL!!!
I dodn't say a damn thing about Germans or Germany.

As I frequently say to 2pid: "Duh".



"Duh" for you,
You brought up Germany, and then falsely calimed I said something
about Germans and Germany that I did not say


You bought it up first, and I asked you a question about Germans.

And again, "Duh".


And again, a "Duh" for you.
I did not say waht you claimed I said.



Hitler's regime was an "administration". If I was German, I would not
likely be "proud" of the years 1932-1945. I would not be "proud of the
Holocaust. I would be ashamed of it, and of my country.

Would you be just ashamed of that one era, or ashamed
of Germany in its totality?
You didn't answer my question.

Yes, I did.


"Duh!"
no you did not
I asked you if Germans should be
proud to be germans, or if the should be
ashamed to be Germans.

Your nonanswer was a false accusations that
I said that Germans should be proud
to be Germans no matter what.



If you were a german, do you think that
you would be proud to be a german, or ashamed to be a German?

Why is that a "yes-no" question? As I said, I would not be ashamed to
be a German. There would be some things about Germany I was proud of.
There would be other things that would not make me proud. Just like
the US.


It is an obvious yes or no question. either you are proud, or you are
not.
I

Here is an analogy
it's like asling you about Bethoven's 6th, do you like
it or not. Your answer is like saying, well, I like the first half
of the first movement, but don't like the last half of the firt. the
first
half of the second is weak, but I like the seconf half of the second
movement.
All of the third movelment is strong,
But I don't like the fiorst half of the
fourth movement, but the second half of the fourth us fine with me.
ENOUGHT OF THAT BULL****!
Do you like it, yes or no?

So, yes or no, are you proud to be an American???
YES, OR NO!



Are you ashamed to be an American?

No. But I am not always proud of my country either. bushie has made me
embarrassed for us many, many times.

I think thoughtless, brainless patriotism such as that you are
advocating is dangerous.

Its neither thoughtless or brainless, imy opinion is based on
our entire entity, our
history, our culture and our institutions.
the good, and the bad, in total.

So you admit there is bad. Are you "proud" of the bad as well?


No I don't, but I am proud to be an American
Are you?



I wonder why someone so full of shame
for his own country would aspire to
be a military offcer in that country's army.

I wonder why you are so prone to strawmen. Are you drinking while
posting?-

Its just another good point to consider.

You mean 'point' I presume. It's not that good either, Clyde.

there is little correlation between
your beliefs and your claimed activities.

I did not serve as a strawman.


I can't even believe you served at all.

[Clyde Slick]

On 8 Sep, 21:20, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 8, 7:15*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:





On 8 Sep, 18:21, MiNe 109 * wrote:

In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

On 8 Sep, 15:54, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 8, 9:43*am, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 7 Sep, 22:46, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 7, 5:10*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

Having pride in on'e country should not be a vacillating
thing. Not something sporadic that would change form year to year,
or be dependent on any particular administration. Pride covers all our
history,
our accomplishments, our instituions, our Constitution,
our whole society.

What brainless tripe.

Germans, therefore, should not be embarassed, or even consider, the
Nazi regime in their "pride" about Germany.

Your brand of thoughtless patriotism is dangerous. No wonder you're a
republican.

Well that certainly is a big stain, but what about the
philosophers, scientists, and overall culture
of accomplishment and advancement
that came for Germany. Shouldm Germans
feel proud to be Germans, or should they be ashamed, overall?

That was not what you said. What you said was that Germans should be
proud to be Germans, no matter what. "Not something sporadic that
would change form year to year or be dependent on any particular
administration."

LOL!!!
I dodn't say a damn thing about Germans or Germany.
You bought it up first, and I asked you a question about Germans.

As Americans are to the USA, Germans are to Germany, pride-wise.

It works for other nations, too.

Stephen-

So, exactly what are you trying to say?
I didn't get anymore out of that than it being
an inocuous self evidient but meaningles blurb.

Slowly, for the learning-impaired:

If I am to be proudly patriotic no matter what, regardless of the
administration or whatever actions the US took or takes or will take,
as *you* said, then the same applies to Germans and Hitler's Germany.
They should be proud of it all.


No, not "no matter what"
Considering "everything", are you proud of America, yes or no?


Get it, Clyde? Or are you saying that only those of us in the US
should be constantly "proud"?


No, overall proud. Are you overall, proud of America?


Blind, stupid patriotism is worthless and dangerous. You go with the
GOP's "Country First". I'm sure it makes your heart swell with pride.
LOL!-


Nope,
I know history, I know our good and our bad.
I have pride in America.
BTW, I saw Obama being interviewed by O'reilly.
My take is that "Mr." Obama, as opposed
to "Mrs.", does have genuine pride
in America.
Too bad you don't

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 8, 9:08*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:
On 8 Sep, 21:20, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Sep 8, 7:15*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 8 Sep, 18:21, MiNe 109 * wrote:

In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

On 8 Sep, 15:54, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 8, 9:43*am, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 7 Sep, 22:46, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 7, 5:10*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

Having pride in on'e country should not be a vacillating
thing. Not something sporadic that would change form year to year,
or be dependent on any particular administration. Pride covers all our
history,
our accomplishments, our instituions, our Constitution,
our whole society.

What brainless tripe.

Germans, therefore, should not be embarassed, or even consider, the
Nazi regime in their "pride" about Germany.

Your brand of thoughtless patriotism is dangerous. No wonder you're a
republican.

Well that certainly is a big stain, but what about the
philosophers, scientists, and overall culture
of accomplishment and advancement
that came for Germany. Shouldm Germans
feel proud to be Germans, or should they be ashamed, overall?

That was not what you said. What you said was that Germans should be
proud to be Germans, no matter what. "Not something sporadic that
would change form year to year or be dependent on any particular
administration."

LOL!!!
I dodn't say a damn thing about Germans or Germany.
You bought it up first, and I asked you a question about Germans.

As Americans are to the USA, Germans are to Germany, pride-wise.

It works for other nations, too.

So, exactly what are you trying to say?
I didn't get anymore out of that than it being
an inocuous self evidient but meaningles blurb.

Slowly, for the learning-impaired:

If I am to be proudly patriotic no matter what, regardless of the
administration or whatever actions the US took or takes or will take,
as *you* said, then the same applies to Germans and Hitler's Germany.
They should be proud of it all.

No, not *"no matter what"

What is the delineation? When is it "OK" not to be proud of one's
country?

Considering "everything", are you proud of America, yes or no?

I've already answered this.

Stephen called your poor question "binary thinking". So Clyde asks,
"What is binary thinking? That's a "yes" or "no" question." LOL!

Get it, Clyde? Or are you saying that only those of us in the US
should be constantly "proud"?

No, overall proud. Are you overall, proud of America?

Where is the office? I need to take my Loyalty Oath. "I am not, nor
have I ever been, a Communist..." LOL!

Blind, stupid patriotism is worthless and dangerous. You go with the
GOP's "Country First". I'm sure it makes your heart swell with pride.
LOL!

Nope,
I know history, I know our good and our bad.
I have pride in America.

About which part? Which parts are you not very "proud" of?

BTW, I saw Obama being interviewed by O'reilly.
My take is that "Mr." Obama, as opposed
to "Mrs.", *does have genuine pride
in America.

Goody.

Too bad you don't

Why would you assume that?

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 8, 9:03*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:
On 8 Sep, 21:16, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
On Sep 8, 5:07*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

Germans, therefore, should not be embarassed, or even consider, the
Nazi regime in their "pride" about Germany.

Your brand of thoughtless patriotism is dangerous. No wonder you're a
republican.

Well that certainly is a big stain, but what about the
philosophers, scientists, and overall culture
of accomplishment and advancement
that came for Germany. Shouldm Germans
feel proud to be Germans, or should they be ashamed, overall?

That was not what you said. What you said was that Germans should be
proud to be Germans, no matter what. "Not something sporadic that
would change form year to year or be dependent on any particular
administration."

LOL!!!
I dodn't say a damn thing about Germans or Germany.

As I frequently say to 2pid: "Duh".

"Duh" for you,
You brought up Germany, and then falsely calimed I said something
about Germans and Germany that I did not say

You did not say "Not something sporadic that would change form year to
year or be dependent on any particular administration"?

I still see that in a post of yours. My browser must be broken. My
apologies.

You bought it up first, and I asked you a question about Germans.

And again, "Duh".

And again, a "Duh" for you.
I did not say waht you claimed I said.

You did not say "Not something sporadic that would change form year to
year or be dependent on any particular administration"?

I still see that in a post of yours. My browser must be broken. My
apologies.

Hitler's regime was an "administration". If I was German, I would not
likely be "proud" of the years 1932-1945. I would not be "proud of the
Holocaust. I would be ashamed of it, and of my country.

Would you be just ashamed of that one era, or ashamed
of Germany in its totality?
You didn't answer my question.

Yes, I did.

"Duh!"
no you did not

Yes, I did.

Should Russians be proud of the Red Purge and Putin and sending
dissidents to Siberia or the gulags? After all, they did give the
world Tolstoy and Tchaikovsky.

I asked you if Germans should be
proud to be germans, or if the should be
ashamed to be Germans.

There are parts they should be proud of, and parts they should be
ashamed of. As I said.

Your nonanswer

BZZZZZZT!

was a false accusations that
I said that Germans should be proud
to be Germans no matter what.

No, it was taking your absolute statement about brainless, unthinking
and dangerous patriotism and applying it to the citizens of another
nation. Quit drinking and try to pay attention.

If you were a german, do you think that
you would be proud to be a german, or ashamed to be a German?

Why is that a "yes-no" question? As I said, I would not be ashamed to
be a German. There would be some things about Germany I was proud of.
There would be other things that would not make me proud. Just like
the US.

It is an obvious yes or no question. either you are proud, or you are
not.

No, it is a brainless attempt at McCarthyism-like loyalty questions
and false patriotism.

I

You.

Here is an analogy
it's *like asling you about Bethoven's 6th, do you like
it or not. Your answer is like saying, well, I like the first half
of the first movement, but don't like the last half of the firt. the
first
half of the second is weak, but I like the seconf half of the second
movement.
All of the third movelment is strong,
But I don't like the fiorst half of the
fourth movement, but the second half of the fourth us fine with me.
ENOUGHT OF THAT BULL****!
Do you like it, yes or no?

I like the first movement, and parts of the second. The third movement
starts out a little slow, but then it picks up, while the conclusion
of the fourth is strong.

So 'patriotism' to you is exactly like whether or not you like a song.
Cool!

So, yes or no, are you proud to be an American???
YES, OR NO!

ALREADY ANSWERED! LOL!

Are you ashamed to be an American?

No. But I am not always proud of my country either. bushie has made me
embarrassed for us many, many times.

I think thoughtless, brainless patriotism such as that you are
advocating is dangerous.

Its neither thoughtless or brainless, imy opinion is based on
our entire entity, our
history, our culture and our institutions.
the good, and the bad, in total.

So you admit there is bad. Are you "proud" of the bad as well?

No I don't, but I am proud to be an American
Are you?

Already answered, whether or not you liked my answer.

I wonder why someone so full of shame
for his own country would aspire to
be a military offcer in that country's army.

I wonder why you are so prone to strawmen. Are you drinking while
posting?-

Its just another good point to consider.

You mean 'point' I presume. It's not that good either, Clyde.

there is little correlation between
your beliefs and your claimed activities.

I did not serve as a strawman.

I can't even believe you served at all.

Goody.

[Clyde Slick]

On 9 Sep, 03:11, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 8, 9:08*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:





On 8 Sep, 21:20, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 8, 7:15*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 8 Sep, 18:21, MiNe 109 * wrote:

In article
,
*Clyde Slick wrote:

On 8 Sep, 15:54, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 8, 9:43*am, Clyde Slick wrote:

On 7 Sep, 22:46, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Sep 7, 5:10*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:

Having pride in on'e country should not be a vacillating
thing. Not something sporadic that would change form year to year,
or be dependent on any particular administration. Pride covers all our
history,
our accomplishments, our instituions, our Constitution,
our whole society.

What brainless tripe.

Germans, therefore, should not be embarassed, or even consider, the
Nazi regime in their "pride" about Germany.

Your brand of thoughtless patriotism is dangerous. No wonder you're a
republican.

Well that certainly is a big stain, but what about the
philosophers, scientists, and overall culture
of accomplishment and advancement
that came for Germany. Shouldm Germans
feel proud to be Germans, or should they be ashamed, overall?

That was not what you said. What you said was that Germans should be
proud to be Germans, no matter what. "Not something sporadic that
would change form year to year or be dependent on any particular
administration."

LOL!!!
I dodn't say a damn thing about Germans or Germany.
You bought it up first, and I asked you a question about Germans.

As Americans are to the USA, Germans are to Germany, pride-wise.

It works for other nations, too.
So, exactly what are you trying to say?
I didn't get anymore out of that than it being
an inocuous self evidient but meaningles blurb.

Slowly, for the learning-impaired:

If I am to be proudly patriotic no matter what, regardless of the
administration or whatever actions the US took or takes or will take,
as *you* said, then the same applies to Germans and Hitler's Germany.
They should be proud of it all.

No, not *"no matter what"

What is the delineation? When is it "OK" not to be proud of one's
country?

Considering "everything", are you proud of America, yes or no?

I've already answered this.

Stephen called your poor question "binary thinking". So Clyde asks,
"What is binary thinking? That's a "yes" or "no" question." LOL!

Get it, Clyde? Or are you saying that only those of us in the US
should be constantly "proud"?

No, overall proud. Are you overall, proud of America?

Where is the office? I need to take my Loyalty Oath. "I am not, nor
have I ever been, a Communist..." LOL!

Blind, stupid patriotism is worthless and dangerous. You go with the
GOP's "Country First". I'm sure it makes your heart swell with pride.
LOL!

Nope,
I know history, I know our good and our bad.
I have pride in America.

About which part? Which parts are you not very "proud" of?

BTW, I saw Obama being interviewed by O'reilly.
My take is that "Mr." Obama, as opposed
to "Mrs.", *does have genuine pride
in America.

Goody.

Too bad you don't

Why would you assume that?-

Your Inability to answer a simple yes/no question is noted.

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Sep 9, 6:56*am, Clyde Slick wrote:

Why would you assume that?-

Your Inability to answer a simple yes/no question is noted.

A "yes/no" question? You didn't ask one.

Perhaps you should ask a better question. LOL!