Dear California Motorist (and anyone who lets a friend drive in CA):

Don't fall for fake red light camera tickets, a.k.a "Snitch Tickets"
or "Nominations."

The Snitch Tickets come in the mail, from the POLICE!

Some of the police departments doing it are Bakersfield, El Cajon, El
Monte, Emeryville, Encinitas, Garden Grove, Gardena, Hawthorne,
Inglewood, Maywood, Poway, San Jose, Santa Ana, South Gate, Stockton,
Union City, Upland, and Vista. As far as I know, it is only happening
in California.

Your Snitch Ticket will look a lot like a real photo enforcement ticket.
But they are not a real ticket. The police have not filed them with
the court, so you won't find the Superior Court name and address on it.
You won't find the usual order saying, "You must respond to the court
on or before (date)," and in fact, the Snitch Ticket will even say (in
small print, on the back), "Do not contact the court."

It's a phishing expedition, to get you to snitch on the driver - which
could even be yourself or your spouse! I recommend that you ignore such
a notice - do not respond to it in any way. For more information, see
the Your Ticket page on the free-of-any-charge website
http://www.hwyrobbery.com.

Don't be a snitch, unless the wife says "turn it down."

Jim

So what exactly are you alleging that the police are "phishing" for?

Tony


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Tony F wrote:
So what exactly are you alleging that the police are "phishing" for?

Tony




$ money $ the almighty $, The Cities all around us are going broke, so
an easy way for a municipality to raise more $ money $ is to have the
police write more tickets.

city goverment say's we're low on money - how do we get more money?
simple, we have our cop write more tickets, which in turn the violater
will have to pay a fine, that way we'll get $ money $

it's simple and obvious

"$ money $ the almighty $, The Cities all around us are going broke, so an
easy way for a municipality to raise more $ money $ is to have the police
write more tickets."

Well, it's not a ticket then, is it? The original poster wrote: "Your
Snitch Ticket will look a lot like a real photo enforcement ticket. But
they are not a real ticket."

"it's simple and obvious"

Well, it obviously wasn't simple and obvious or I wouldn't have asked about
it, would I?

Tony

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For Tony:

The snitch tickets don't ask you for money. They simply say that you
must supply information. They are phishing for the name, address and
license # of a driver to whom to send a real ticket.

Jim



Jim

Jim wrote:

Dear California Motorist (and anyone who lets a friend drive in CA):

Don't fall for fake red light camera tickets, a.k.a "Snitch Tickets"
or "Nominations."

The Snitch Tickets come in the mail, from the POLICE!

Some of the police departments doing it are Bakersfield, El Cajon, El
Monte, Emeryville, Encinitas, Garden Grove, Gardena, Hawthorne,
Inglewood, Maywood, Poway, San Jose, Santa Ana, South Gate, Stockton,
Union City, Upland, and Vista. As far as I know, it is only happening
in California.

Your Snitch Ticket will look a lot like a real photo enforcement ticket.
But they are not a real ticket. The police have not filed them with the
court, so you won't find the Superior Court name and address on it. You
won't find the usual order saying, "You must respond to the court on or
before (date)," and in fact, the Snitch Ticket will even say (in small
print, on the back), "Do not contact the court."

It's a phishing expedition, to get you to snitch on the driver - which
could even be yourself or your spouse! I recommend that you ignore such
a notice - do not respond to it in any way. For more information, see
the Your Ticket page on the free-of-any-charge website
http://www.hwyrobbery.com.

Don't be a snitch, unless the wife says "turn it down."

Jim

"The snitch tickets don't ask you for money. They simply say that you must
supply information. They are phishing for the name, address and license #
of a driver to whom to send a real ticket."

Thanks, Jim. So it doesn't sound like these are a "bunch of dirty cops"
like no-one wrote. And it sounds like they are real tickets indeed, but the
cops don't have enough evidence to prove WHO was driving and are are hoping
people are either honest or foolish enough to identify the driver.
Unfortunately if this doesn't work there will be legislation passed sooner
or later that will hold the owner of the car ultimately responsible for
whatever violation(s) occur with that car.

Tony

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"The snitch tickets don't ask you for money. They simply say that you
must
supply information. They are phishing for the name, address and license #
of a driver to whom to send a real ticket."

Thanks, Jim. So it doesn't sound like these are a "bunch of dirty cops"
like no-one wrote. And it sounds like they are real tickets indeed, but
the
cops don't have enough evidence to prove WHO was driving and are are
hoping
people are either honest or foolish enough to identify the driver.
Unfortunately if this doesn't work there will be legislation passed sooner
or later that will hold the owner of the car ultimately responsible for
whatever violation(s) occur with that car.

That'll really shake things up though, don't you think? Currently there
seems to be a pretty strict line between vehicle ownership and motor vehicle
licensure, sometimes with auto insurance being the only thing that can
bridge the gap. I wonder if such a measure is constitutional? Sure, there
have been efforts in the past that have been at least partly successful in
assigning a crime to the owner of, say, a weapon even if the owner wasn't
the one who committed it. But there have always seemed to be two caveats to
this: 1) the crime they're charged with is almost never of the same severity
as that charged to the actual perpetrator; and 2) it always seemed to
require negligence of some sort. Those don't exist for this "snitch ticket"
situation, so that's where this sort of legislation would be problematic.

"That'll really shake things up though, don't you think?"

Yes, I definitely do. I never said I agreed with it, but it's something
that wouldn't surprise me if it happens. Of course, we're talking about
infractions of the law (speeding, running red lights, etc) and not the
commisions of crimes. Already, when you rent a car you sign something that
says you are responsible for any traffic violations committed during the
time you possess it. I can see the parallels.
Tony


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"That'll really shake things up though, don't you think?"

Yes, I definitely do. I never said I agreed with it, but it's something
that wouldn't surprise me if it happens. Of course, we're talking about
infractions of the law (speeding, running red lights, etc) and not the
commisions of crimes. Already, when you rent a car you sign something
that
says you are responsible for any traffic violations committed during the
time you possess it. I can see the parallels.
Tony

But that seems to be a counter-example to the notion of charging the owner
of the car with the violation. The violation is being put on the driver
rather than the owner...

"But that seems to be a counter-example to the notion of charging the owner
of the car with the violation."

I was comparing my anticipation regarding legislation being enacted that
would hold the owner of a car responsible for any infraction being committed
and holding the renter of a rental car responsible for any infraction being
committed. Did that clarify things?

Tony




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Tony F wrote:
"But that seems to be a counter-example to the notion of charging the owner
of the car with the violation."

I was comparing my anticipation regarding legislation being enacted that
would hold the owner of a car responsible for any infraction being committed
and holding the renter of a rental car responsible for any infraction being
committed. Did that clarify things?

Tony




Been there, done that...

In the 2003 legislative session here in CA there was a bill, SB 780,
which proposed to make the tickets "owner responsibility." It failed,
died. The problem with "owner responsibility" is that unlike "driver
responsibility (our present system) it doesn't allow a point to be put
on the owners drivers license. Without those points piling up,
insurance companies can't raise your rates. Guess who the opposition to
SB 780 was? The auto clubs, who are primarily insurance companies
(the auto club of so. cal. takes in 1.8 billion in premiums vs. 0.3
billion in membership dues).

For details about SB 780, see
http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/03-04/bil..._sen_comm.html
For details as to sponsorship/opposition, look at the end of the
"analysis" at that URL.

Jim

o..if you ever get a photo ticket,,pay it a pic of the amount of the
fine close up.LOL
hahAHahAHahAHA

oh i mean a pic of your money in the amount of the fine.LOL

In article ,
says...
o..if you ever get a photo ticket,,pay it a pic of the amount of the
fine close up.LOL
hahAHahAHahAHA


Old news already been done. The cops sent a picture back indicating an
arrest.
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The police sent back a picture of a set of handcuffs.

Tony


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In article ,
says...
The police sent back a picture of a set of handcuffs.

Tony



That's right, thanks :-).
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well after you get that pic you send 1 more pic. of you bent over and a
sign that says kiss..lol

In article ,
says...
well after you get that pic you send 1 more pic. of you bent over and a
sign that says kiss..lol


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