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Do you guys ever fix your old broken or intermittent cords? Is it worth
the bother? I recently pulled a box full of dead mic and 1/4" connector cords out of storage as I need more usable cables. What tool do you use to find the breaks, an ohmmeter? Tim Sprout |
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On 14/04/2014 17:31, Tim Sprout wrote:
Do you guys ever fix your old broken or intermittent cords? Is it worth the bother? I recently pulled a box full of dead mic and 1/4" connector cords out of storage as I need more usable cables. What tool do you use to find the breaks, an ohmmeter? Most of them fail either where the cable passes through the strain relief, or increasingly in these days of lead free solder, at the soldered joints in the connectors. Chop a few inches off if the joints are good, then remake the joints. The next step involves a multimeter and chopping the cable in half to give one short good one and one short bad one, or looking and feeling for any obvious breaks in the cores. It takes a few minutes per cable, which will either be worth the bother or not, depending on whether you are on location with a bad cable and no spares. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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Tim Sprout wrote:
Do you guys ever fix your old broken or intermittent cords? Is it worth the bother? I recently pulled a box full of dead mic and 1/4" connector cords out of storage as I need more usable cables. What tool do you use to find the breaks, an ohmmeter? If they are good, quality cables, I fix them. If they are junk cables, I throw them away and replace them with good quality ones. For most part, if you unscrew the connector and look inside you can see what failed. If the connectors are molded and cannot be unscrewed, throw it out and buy a proper cable with quality connectors. Cables mostly fail at the connector, very seldom anywhere in the middle. --scott Tim Sprout -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Tim Sprout writes:
Do you guys ever fix your old broken or intermittent cords? Is it worth the bother? I recently pulled a box full of dead mic and 1/4" connector cords out of storage as I need more usable cables. What tool do you use to find the breaks, an ohmmeter? Depends on quality of components. If the 1/4" has molded ends with light-weight cable, don't give it a second look. Use it to wrap stacks of old newspapers headed for the dump. If the XLRs are done with no-name wire that in any way feels "funny," and XLR connectors of a style you've not seen before, X those as well. If good connectors (Switchcraft of Neutrik) with quality cable that doesn't have cuts or blisters (run the entire length through your fingers and watch and feel), then open the connectors. You'll probably immediately spot a broken connection. Cut the cable back a few inches, start over fresh on all the connections. Clean out the old solder. Use a heat shrink boot that starts were you cut the jacket for the wire fan out and will then also stick out of the connector an inch or two. This well help buffer the often inadequate strain relief of most connectors. If you want to get clever and have to repair both ends anyway (or don't mind sliding shrink down the length of cable to the other end), use different colored shrink (same colors on the same cable, though). This visual cue helps differentiate this cable from some other. Also consider a serial number system, wrapped with clear shrink (done on both ends). I use the cable length suffixed with a unique serial number. Makes it sooo much easier to pick out a cable from a rats nest of cables, or tell someone what end to look for on stage or in the studio. If you want to get fancy, there are multiple testers out there, some of which will check for intermittents. This can be really helpful if something is suspected down in the wire someplace but the cable seems fine mechanically. Shake it, whip it while on the tester, see if an intermittent is flagged. And yes, you can use a plain old ohmmeter, though this might not be as helpful as the intermittent detector. Many more ideas too; I'm sure several folks here have their own excellent ideas and practices. Frank Mobile Audio -- |
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On 15/04/2014 4:31 a.m., Tim Sprout wrote:
Do you guys ever fix your old broken or intermittent cords? Is it worth the bother? I recently pulled a box full of dead mic and 1/4" connector cords out of storage as I need more usable cables. What tool do you use to find the breaks, an ohmmeter? Tim Sprout It the cable looks and feels sound then fix it. If there is a break in anywhere other than the wire connections to the plugs, then bin it..... except if it's a long cable with an identifiable damaged point, that is making into two cables. By the way, they are not "cords" - that is string. They are "cables" ;-) geoff |
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On 15/04/2014 9:01 a.m., geoff wrote:
On 15/04/2014 4:31 a.m., Tim Sprout wrote: Do you guys ever fix your old broken or intermittent cords? Is it worth the bother? I recently pulled a box full of dead mic and 1/4" connector cords out of storage as I need more usable cables. What tool do you use to find the breaks, an ohmmeter? Tim Sprout It the cable looks and feels sound then fix it. If there is a break in anywhere other than the wire connections to the plugs, then bin it..... except if it's a long cable with an identifiable damaged point, that is making into two cables. By the way, they are not "cords" - that is string. They are "cables" ;-) geoff Oh yeah, as John said - include the area where the cable enters the plug strain-relief in analysis for breaks, although that *can* indicate fragile cable quality, or mistreatment. geoff |
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On 14/04/2014 22:01, geoff wrote:
On 15/04/2014 4:31 a.m., Tim Sprout wrote: Do you guys ever fix your old broken or intermittent cords? Is it worth the bother? I recently pulled a box full of dead mic and 1/4" connector cords out of storage as I need more usable cables. What tool do you use to find the breaks, an ohmmeter? Tim Sprout It the cable looks and feels sound then fix it. If there is a break in anywhere other than the wire connections to the plugs, then bin it..... except if it's a long cable with an identifiable damaged point, that is making into two cables. By the way, they are not "cords" - that is string. They are "cables" Cords is Leftpondian for cables. They only *think* they speak English... ;-) And big strings are called sheets when I'm on a boat. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 22:10:15 +0100, John Williamson wrote:
On 14/04/2014 22:01, geoff wrote: On 15/04/2014 4:31 a.m., Tim Sprout wrote: Do you guys ever fix your old broken or intermittent cords? Is it worth the bother? I recently pulled a box full of dead mic and 1/4" connector cords out of storage as I need more usable cables. What tool do you use to find the breaks, an ohmmeter? Tim Sprout It the cable looks and feels sound then fix it. If there is a break in anywhere other than the wire connections to the plugs, then bin it..... except if it's a long cable with an identifiable damaged point, that is making into two cables. By the way, they are not "cords" - that is string. They are "cables" Cords is Leftpondian for cables. They only *think* they speak English... ;-) And big strings are called sheets when I'm on a boat. Unless the big string raises or lowers sails in which case it is a halyard. Unless more specifically named big strings on a boat are lines. Unless, and only unless, the big string is attached to a bell in which case it is called a rope. Now, hand me that mic cable/cord/thingy. SteveK |
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On 15/04/2014 11:15 a.m., Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , John Williamson wrote: By the way, they are not "cords" - that is string. They are "cables" Cords is Leftpondian for cables. They only *think* they speak English... ;-) Not completely. Jackfield leads have always been known as cords in the UK. But are they monotonic, or can they pass chords ? geoff |
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On 15/04/2014 9:10 a.m., John Williamson wrote:
By the way, they are not "cords" - that is string. They are "cables" Cords is Leftpondian for cables. They only *think* they speak English... ;-) And big strings are called sheets when I'm on a boat. What do they call sheets (bed type) on a boat ? ;-) geoff |
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On 4/14/2014 6:15 PM, S. King wrote:
On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 22:10:15 +0100, John Williamson wrote: On 14/04/2014 22:01, geoff wrote: On 15/04/2014 4:31 a.m., Tim Sprout wrote: Do you guys ever fix your old broken or intermittent cords? Is it worth the bother? I recently pulled a box full of dead mic and 1/4" connector cords out of storage as I need more usable cables. What tool do you use to find the breaks, an ohmmeter? Tim Sprout It the cable looks and feels sound then fix it. If there is a break in anywhere other than the wire connections to the plugs, then bin it..... except if it's a long cable with an identifiable damaged point, that is making into two cables. By the way, they are not "cords" - that is string. They are "cables" Cords is Leftpondian for cables. They only *think* they speak English... ;-) And big strings are called sheets when I'm on a boat. Unless the big string raises or lowers sails in which case it is a halyard. Unless more specifically named big strings on a boat are lines. Unless, and only unless, the big string is attached to a bell in which case it is called a rope. Now, hand me that mic cable/cord/thingy. SteveK Damn, I don't have a clew what you guys are talking about. Ah then too, it might help if I wasn't three sheets to the wind. == Later... Ron Capik -- |
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On 4/14/2014 7:15 PM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Jackfield leads have always been known as cords in the UK. "Patch cords" is common usage here in the US as well. But a "guitar chord" is something else, though some people spell the thing that connects the electric guitar to an amplifier that way. -- For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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понедељак, 14. април 2014. 18.31.49 UTC+2, Tim Sprout је напиÑао/ла:
Do you guys ever fix your old broken or intermittent cords? Is it worth the bother? I recently pulled a box full of dead mic and 1/4" connector cords out of storage as I need more usable cables. What tool do you use to find the breaks, an ohmmeter? Tim Sprout Soon it must be more than 10 years, since the last cable I bought. I got a few for a present, in the meantime, though. |
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уторак, 15. април 2014. 08.36.31 UTC+2, Luxey је напиÑао/ла:
понедељак, 14. април 2014. 18.31.49 UTC+2, Tim Sprout је напиÑао/ла: Do you guys ever fix your old broken or intermittent cords? Is it worth the bother? I recently pulled a box full of dead mic and 1/4" connector cords out of storage as I need more usable cables. What tool do you use to find the breaks, an ohmmeter? Tim Sprout Soon it must be more than 10 years, since the last cable I bought. I got a few for a present, in the meantime, though. Not to mention a non microphone bunch's replaced by couple USB ones. |
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Mike Rivers wrote: On 4/14/2014 7:15 PM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Jackfield leads have always been known as cords in the UK. "Patch cords" is common usage here in the US as well. But a "guitar chord" is something else, though some people spell the thing that connects the electric guitar to an amplifier that way. Perhaps that's where the 'Lost Chord' came from? -- *They call it PMS because Mad Cow Disease was already taken. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article , Mike Rivers wrote:
On 4/14/2014 7:15 PM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Jackfield leads have always been known as cords in the UK. "Patch cords" is common usage here in the US as well. But a "guitar chord" is something else, though some people spell the thing that connects the electric guitar to an amplifier that way. Cordage is a special case of cabling. Cords are flexible and used to connect movable appliances (like lamps and guitars) to one another or to fixed points (like guitar amps or mains outlets). --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"geoff" wrote in message
... On 15/04/2014 9:10 a.m., John Williamson wrote: By the way, they are not "cords" - that is string. They are "cables" Cords is Leftpondian for cables. They only *think* they speak English... ;-) And big strings are called sheets when I'm on a boat. What do they call sheets (bed type) on a boat ? If you're sleeping on the V berth then they're called sails, which also double (triple?) as pillows when bagged. Sean |
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On 4/14/2014 8:31 AM, Tim Sprout wrote:
Do you guys ever fix your old broken or intermittent cords? Is it worth the bother? I recently pulled a box full of dead mic and 1/4" connector cords out of storage as I need more usable cables. What tool do you use to find the breaks, an ohmmeter? Tim Sprout Thanks all for the helpful replies. Tim Sprout |
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On 4/15/2014 10:39 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Cordage is a special case of cabling. Cords are flexible and used to connect movable appliances (like lamps and guitars) to one another Like connecting microphones? -- For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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In article , Mike Rivers wrote:
On 4/15/2014 10:39 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: Cordage is a special case of cabling. Cords are flexible and used to connect movable appliances (like lamps and guitars) to one another Like connecting microphones? Like connecting microphones to a preamp or console or to a box on the wall. But the microphone cable inside the wall isn't a cord, it's a fixed install cable. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote: On 4/15/2014 10:39 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: Cordage is a special case of cabling. Cords are flexible and used to connect movable appliances (like lamps and guitars) to one another Like connecting microphones? Like connecting microphones to a preamp or console or to a box on the wall. But the microphone cable inside the wall isn't a cord, it's a fixed install cable. --scott What about Western Union? -- shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com HankandShaidriMusic.Com YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic |
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Scott Dorsey wrote: Like connecting microphones to a preamp or console or to a box on the wall. But the microphone cable inside the wall isn't a cord, it's a fixed install cable. Unless star quad? ;-) -- *Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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hank alrich wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote: Mike Rivers wrote: On 4/15/2014 10:39 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: Cordage is a special case of cabling. Cords are flexible and used to connect movable appliances (like lamps and guitars) to one another Like connecting microphones? Like connecting microphones to a preamp or console or to a box on the wall. But the microphone cable inside the wall isn't a cord, it's a fixed install cable. What about Western Union? Bubblegum pop, and the Five Americans never did anything else of substance. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Don Pearce wrote:
Over here, we have cables for fixed installation - the generic term for which is wiring. Then wires for the individual conductors within the cables. Flexible connections to things like guitars and microphones are leads. Only patchbay connections are cords. Makes sense. Over here, leads are also called "cords." I have not really heard anything called a "lead." However, I once had a rider from a British band that required "reducing cord." When I asked the band about it, nobody had any idea what it was either. Is it an attenuator? A coiled guitar cable? I have no idea to this day. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
Don Pearce wrote: Over here, we have cables for fixed installation - the generic term for which is wiring. Then wires for the individual conductors within the cables. Flexible connections to things like guitars and microphones are leads. Only patchbay connections are cords. Makes sense. Over here, leads are also called "cords." I have not really heard anything called a "lead." However, I once had a rider from a British band that required "reducing cord." When I asked the band about it, nobody had any idea what it was either. Is it an attenuator? A coiled guitar cable? I have no idea to this day. --scott Maybe the guy's tone was too fat. -- shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com HankandShaidriMusic.Com YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic |
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Reducing cord is some kind of extension cable, with adapter from one connector to another, like from XLR to TRS.
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On 17/04/2014 1:36 a.m., Scott Dorsey wrote:
hank alrich wrote: Scott Dorsey wrote: Mike Rivers wrote: On 4/15/2014 10:39 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: Cordage is a special case of cabling. Cords are flexible and used to connect movable appliances (like lamps and guitars) to one another Like connecting microphones? Like connecting microphones to a preamp or console or to a box on the wall. But the microphone cable inside the wall isn't a cord, it's a fixed install cable. What about Western Union? Bubblegum pop, and the Five Americans never did anything else of substance. --scott doo doo doo doo-da doo doo doo da doo .... geoff |
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On 17/04/2014 4:30 a.m., Don Pearce wrote:
On 16 Apr 2014 09:38:38 -0400, (Scott Dorsey) wrote: Don Pearce wrote: Over here, we have cables for fixed installation - the generic term for which is wiring. Then wires for the individual conductors within the cables. Flexible connections to things like guitars and microphones are leads. Only patchbay connections are cords. Makes sense. Over here, leads are also called "cords." I have not really heard anything called a "lead." However, I once had a rider from a British band that required "reducing cord." When I asked the band about it, nobody had any idea what it was either. Is it an attenuator? A coiled guitar cable? I have no idea to this day. --scott Nope, never come across a reducing cord. d And open-circuit patch cable ? geoff |
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On 4/16/2014 6:28 PM, Jeff Henig wrote:
Frank Stearns wrote: (hank alrich) writes: Scott Dorsey wrote: snips However, I once had a rider from a British band that required "reducing cord." When I asked the band about it, nobody had any idea what it was either. Is it an attenuator? A coiled guitar cable? I have no idea to this day. --scott Maybe the guy's tone was too fat. Hank, I'm surprised. You know that the proper spelling is "phat". The audio marketing literature for various "phat" makers tells me so. Frank Mobile Audio Does this spelling make mah boodie look phat? Truly suggests the need for reducing cords maybe relaxed fit... ;-) == L... RC -- |
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Luxey wrote:
Reducing cord is some kind of extension cable, with adapter from one connector to another, like from XLR to TRS. Thank you, Luxey! -- shut up and play your guitar * HankAlrich.Com HankandShaidriMusic.Com YouTube.Com/WalkinayMusic |
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: Cordage is a special case of cabling. Cords are flexible and used to connect movable appliances (like lamps and guitars) to one another or to fixed points (like guitar amps or mains outlets). --scott Does this mean I can plug my lamps into my electric guitar? Or should I plug my electric guitar into the mains? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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"Dave O'Heare" wrote:
(Scott Dorsey) wrote in : Cordage is a special case of cabling. Cords are flexible and used to connect movable appliances (like lamps and guitars) to one another or to fixed points (like guitar amps or mains outlets). --scott Does this mean I can plug my lamps into my electric guitar? Or should I plug my electric guitar into the mains? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Well, if you plug your lamp into your electric guitar and strum REALLY HARD, you should be able to light the lamp. However, if you plug your electric guitar into the wall, you'll only be able to play Bb (at least on this side of the pond). |
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On 20/04/2014 8:50 a.m., Dave O'Heare wrote:
(Scott Dorsey) wrote in : Cordage is a special case of cabling. Cords are flexible and used to connect movable appliances (like lamps and guitars) to one another or to fixed points (like guitar amps or mains outlets). --scott Does this mean I can plug my lamps into my electric guitar? Or should I plug my electric guitar into the mains? Yes ! And then you can be powering the mains that drives the power to your guitar amp. Perpetual motion. Or a pile of smouldering motion.... geoff |
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"Ralph Barone" wrote in message news:1855116223419638018.835718address_is-invalid.invalid@shawnews... "Dave O'Heare" wrote: (Scott Dorsey) wrote in : Cordage is a special case of cabling. Cords are flexible and used to connect movable appliances (like lamps and guitars) to one another or to fixed points (like guitar amps or mains outlets). --scott Does this mean I can plug my lamps into my electric guitar? Or should I plug my electric guitar into the mains? I wouldn't recommend it!! :-) Well, if you plug your lamp into your electric guitar and strum REALLY HARD, you should be able to light the lamp. Given the *extremely* low current output from an electric guitar pick up, (low voltage/high impedance) you won't see the lamp glow no matter how hard you strum, or how dark the room is. Trevor. |
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Dave O'Heare wrote:
(Scott Dorsey) wrote in : Cordage is a special case of cabling. Cords are flexible and used to connect movable appliances (like lamps and guitars) to one another or to fixed points (like guitar amps or mains outlets). --scott Does this mean I can plug my lamps into my electric guitar? Yes. Or should I plug my electric guitar into the mains? No. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com You just updated and they still haven't fixed the "adds spam to usenet-posts bug" I wrote to them about at last update? - the update may then have toggled the "no spam" setting for news. Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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On 4/19/2014 4:50 PM, Dave O'Heare wrote:
(Scott Dorsey) wrote Cordage is a special case of cabling. Cords are flexible and used to connect movable appliances (like lamps and guitars) to one another or to fixed points (like guitar amps or mains outlets). --scott Does this mean I can plug my lamps into my electric guitar? Or should I plug my electric guitar into the mains? You still need to connect outputs to inputs. You could plug your lamps into the external speaker jack of your guitar amplifier. It probably wouldn't last very long, but you could plug your electric guitar into the mains. But what a sound, while it lasted! Don't touch the strings when standing with bare feet, though. It's customary to connect the strings to the sleeve of the jack, which, unless you have a properly polarized mains plug for your guitar cord, may result in connecting the hot side of the power line to the strings. By the way, I saw a product a while back called Chord Savers. It was a cable protector that allowed you to reduce the trip factor of cables running across a floor. Kind of neat, actually. I use a few of them to get cables from one end of the house to another "temporarily." But when I pointed out that CORD was another word for "cable" and CHORD was a group of musical notes played together, and that the name might cause some people who could use them to pass them over figuring it was a chord chart, he said "Oh, I know the difference between the words, I just wanted to call them CHORD savers." It must be OK because you can buy them through Amazon.com now. http://www.chordsaversusa.com/ -- For a good time, visit http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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