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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Jenn" wrote in message In article .net, " wrote: snip Vinyl LP's are an iferior medium and have several orders of magnitude more distortion than CD's snip Yeah, but to many ears, they can sound so much better than most CDs. Go figure. OK, so sentimentality is affecting your perceptions. Sentimentality has nothing to do with appreciating LP sound. I'm sentimental for 78's, and they sound like ****. |
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Jenn" wrote in message In article .net, " wrote: snip Vinyl LP's are an iferior medium and have several orders of magnitude more distortion than CD's snip Yeah, but to many ears, they can sound so much better than most CDs. Go figure. OK, so sentimentality is affecting your perceptions. Sentimentality has nothing to do with appreciating LP sound. I'm sentimental for 78's, and they sound like ****. Art, I'll bet money you can't figure out how these two statements contradict each other. |
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" wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message link.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message link.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message link.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message link.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... "Bret Ludwig" wrote in message oups.com... Robert Morein wrote: From http://www.electronicstalk.com/news/mat/mat150.html "A further noise variable that can specifically affect small AC voltages can be observed with reed contacts and with relays constructed according to the reed principle - designs with their contact springs in the magnetic field of the relay coil." When the contact is closed there is a damped oscillation with a frequency of between 2 and 3kHz, corresponding to the inherent resonant frequency of the tongues. "However a typical level for standard contacts can be extremely significant on very low-level signal switching circuits." Once again, Arny and his amphibian sidekick are caught in the quagmire of unscientific thought and sloppy design. Yeah, but who gives a ****? You aren't going to use his box anyway. Responsibility for this device weighs heavily on those who push it. Arny should have spent his time synthesizing flu viruses. What is your educational level, Mikey? Do amphibians attend college, and the like? Who are you really, sock puppet Morein? Why do you feel the need to persecute people who tell the trtuh about your incompetence? I am your conscience, Mikey. I am inside your head. Prove that an ABX box masks any differences. Prove that ABX is not a valid protocol. I am your conscience, Mikey. ABX is very bad. Very bad, Mikey. That must be why it is the sthandard for subtle difference detection. Sorry, Mikey, it is completely ignored by 20,000,000 consumers for subtle detection of audio quality. Then why don't you ignore it as wll? Why does a reliable methodology for detecting difference bother you so much? Why do you consistently lie that it is not a standard for audio research? ITU BS 1116-1 ITU BS = I Tella You Bull **** |
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message link.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message link.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message link.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message link.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... "Bret Ludwig" wrote in message oups.com... Robert Morein wrote: From http://www.electronicstalk.com/news/mat/mat150.html "A further noise variable that can specifically affect small AC voltages can be observed with reed contacts and with relays constructed according to the reed principle - designs with their contact springs in the magnetic field of the relay coil." When the contact is closed there is a damped oscillation with a frequency of between 2 and 3kHz, corresponding to the inherent resonant frequency of the tongues. "However a typical level for standard contacts can be extremely significant on very low-level signal switching circuits." Once again, Arny and his amphibian sidekick are caught in the quagmire of unscientific thought and sloppy design. Yeah, but who gives a ****? You aren't going to use his box anyway. Responsibility for this device weighs heavily on those who push it. Arny should have spent his time synthesizing flu viruses. What is your educational level, Mikey? Do amphibians attend college, and the like? Who are you really, sock puppet Morein? Why do you feel the need to persecute people who tell the trtuh about your incompetence? I am your conscience, Mikey. I am inside your head. Prove that an ABX box masks any differences. Prove that ABX is not a valid protocol. I am your conscience, Mikey. ABX is very bad. Very bad, Mikey. That must be why it is the sthandard for subtle difference detection. Sorry, Mikey, it is completely ignored by 20,000,000 consumers for subtle detection of audio quality. Then why don't you ignore it as wll? Why does a reliable methodology for detecting difference bother you so much? Why do you consistently lie that it is not a standard for audio research? ITU BS 1116-1 ITU BS = I Tella You Bull **** We've known that about you for some time. |
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Arny's ABX device proven defective!
"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
oups.com wrote: snip Global feedback is not something that makes amps inferior, but if to much is used it will affect the way an amp clips. Excessive amounts of global feedback are a detriment to sound and a cheap fix for less than determined design. Almost all good sounding amps use moderate to minimal amounts of global feedback. Stereophile has some of the most incredibly idiotic and hearing impaired reviewers on the planet working for them and they frequently endorse snake oil. That well may be so, nonetheless, they are correct some of the time. So is a stopped clock - its correct twice a day, right? ;-) |
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Arny's ABX device proven defective!
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 05:33:05 GMT, "
wrote: (snip wrong headedness) Vinyl LP's are an iferior medium and have several orders of magnitude more distortion than CD's, which is not to say that there are not some really awfull sounding CD's. Well, at least you got that right. (Assuming of course that by "iferior" you meant "inferior"). (snip wrong headedness) |
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Arny's ABX device proven defective!
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message link.net Desperation time for the audiophools, now they're forging posts in order to deceive. Hardly new news. I find it ironic that self-proclaimed guardians of truth so often resort to deception. The simple facts are these: Wire is wire. Well, really thin speaker wire can hurt sound quality in long lengths. Amplifiers contribute nothing to imaging, that's a funtion of teh recording and the speakers. Well, other than really bad amps. I suspect that some SETs are so bad that they do affect imaging, in a bad way. ABX is the accepted standard for audio research into subtle differences. Well, ABX and ABC/hr. ABC/hr is not optimal for research into subtle differences, but it can work well enough. ABC/hr is better for quantifying audible degradation of sound quality where it exists. It is a simple matter thse days to build auio equipment that is sonically neutral, that is neither adds nor subtracts from the input signal. Certainly true for amps, preamps, digital players and recorders, etc. An ABX box does not mask any differences. When used properly by trained listeners. Vinyl LP's are an iferior medium and have several orders of magnitude more distortion than CD's, which is not to say that there are not some really awfull sounding CD's. I still remember the first time I heard the comparison of LP playback to playback of a high speed master tape. The LP sounded pretty good by itself, but listening to the tape was so much better. Global feedback is not something that makes amps inferior, but if to much is used it will affect the way an amp clips. Designing feedback systems has traditionally been a junior or senior level undergraduate topic in electrical engineering. It takes skill to get it right. It takes experience to get it right in real world product development. Most of the people who damn global feedback lack appropriate technical training and experience. Stereophile has some of the most incredibly idiotic and hearing impaired reviewers on the planet working for them and they frequently endorse snake oil. I don't know if they are better or worse than some of their competition. The whole market segment has spun out of control. There is evidence that its dying at an increasing rate. For example: http://www.gedlee.com/downloads/Obse...20Thoughts.pdf |
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Arny's ABX device proven defective!
Arny Krueger wrote: " wrote in message link.net Stereophile has some of the most incredibly idiotic and hearing impaired reviewers on the planet working for them and they frequently endorse snake oil. I don't know if they are better or worse than some of their competition. The whole market segment has spun out of control. There is evidence that its dying at an increasing rate. For example: http://www.gedlee.com/downloads/Obse...20Thoughts.pdf Other than the fact that Mr. Geddss is offering opinions, not "evidence," he presents an interesting point of view (though not one I agree with). However, Mike McKelvy was discussing Stereophile and its reviewers, Mr. Geddes is discussing high-end audio as a whole, not magazines. John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
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Arny's ABX device proven defective!
"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: snip Global feedback is not something that makes amps inferior, but if to much is used it will affect the way an amp clips. Excessive amounts of global feedback are a detriment to sound and a cheap fix for less than determined design. Almost all good sounding amps use moderate to minimal amounts of global feedback. Can be so, but it is not, as some people seem to believe a bad idea, in fact it is a requirement. Stereophile has some of the most incredibly idiotic and hearing impaired reviewers on the planet working for them and they frequently endorse snake oil. That well may be so, nonetheless, they are correct some of the time. I want something better than some of the time. I never want reviewers that aren't smart enough to call snake oil for what it is. |
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Arny's ABX device proven defective!
"John Atkinson" wrote in message oups.com... Arny Krueger wrote: " wrote in message link.net Stereophile has some of the most incredibly idiotic and hearing impaired reviewers on the planet working for them and they frequently endorse snake oil. I don't know if they are better or worse than some of their competition. The whole market segment has spun out of control. There is evidence that its dying at an increasing rate. For example: http://www.gedlee.com/downloads/Obse...20Thoughts.pdf Other than the fact that Mr. Geddss is offering opinions, not "evidence," he presents an interesting point of view (though not one I agree with). However, Mike McKelvy was discussing Stereophile and its reviewers, Mr. Geddes is discussing high-end audio as a whole, not magazines. Feel free to apply my comments about Sp to all the other idiots who write for other similar mags. Any mag that allows unchecked endorsements of snake oil products should IMO more than just criticized, they should be charged with whatever legal statutes apply to people who aid and abet fraud. As editor of SP you bear a large portion of responsability for the idiotic recomendations of some of the idiots who endorse things known to be fraudulent. Bottom line, find out what technical reasons if any are at work in any of the products your writers endorse. If there are no reasons why something could do what it is claimed, say so. |
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Arny's ABX device proven defective!
"John Atkinson" wrote in message oups.com... Arny Krueger wrote: " wrote in message link.net Stereophile has some of the most incredibly idiotic and hearing impaired reviewers on the planet working for them and they frequently endorse snake oil. I don't know if they are better or worse than some of their competition. The whole market segment has spun out of control. There is evidence that its dying at an increasing rate. For example: http://www.gedlee.com/downloads/Obse...20Thoughts.pdf Other than the fact that Mr. Geddss is offering opinions, not "evidence," he presents an interesting point of view (though not one I agree with). However, Mike McKelvy was discussing Stereophile and its reviewers, Mr. Geddes is discussing high-end audio as a whole, not magazines. There might be a germ of truth in his viewpoint, even if it is not literally true. You have commented in the past about the convergence of DACs, and the resultant similarity of sound. I found this changed with the advent of upsampling DACs, yet I do most of my listening on a system with a 15 year old 18 bit ladder DAC. Perhaps I should change it, but for reasons unknown, it works very well with a Acoustat panels. At one of the Stereophile HT shows, where I had an opportunity to sample the very high end, I found a spread that equally encompassed the very unimpressive, as well as innovations with a capacity to surprise and delight. I went home both disappointed and amazed, but not convinced that great expenditures of money provide proportional reward. Since Dunlavy used paper, and others used diamonds, there is the question of whether liberal use of diamonds actually facilitates gem-like sound I do feel that at the beginning of the 90's, the desire for marketplace differentiation caused somewhat of the effect Geddes writes of. Utilitarian products have been significantly displaced. For example, Parasound has replaced simply styled equipment with more impressively packages, but the specifications for signal-to-noise have actually decreased. The perception by manufacturers that appearance, rather than performance, registers with today's buyer, may be causing an occult adulteration. |
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Arny's ABX device proven defective!
"paul packer" wrote in message ... On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 05:33:05 GMT, " wrote: An ABX box does not mask any differences. Vinyl LP's are an inferior medium and have several orders of magnitude more distortion than CD's, which is not to say that there are not some really awfull sounding CD's. Well, at least you got that right. I got it all right. Nothing I said was incorrect. I've put back the things you snipped so as to give you a chance to offer up proof that I made an error. Other than spelling. Stereophile has some of the most incredibly idiotic and hearing impaired reviewers on the planet working for them and they frequently endorse snake oil. I suppose I should actually have some data on their hearing, but judging by the things that get good reviews, especially speakers, they don't seem to have a clue most of the time. |
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