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Opposite of Mu-law?
On 18 May 2004 17:07:19 -0700, (Curious)
wrote: What I would like is to increase the clipping point - that is, the increase the loudnest sound that can be recorded without causing distortion. I would like a type of codec that does this. Has a strength of being able to handle louder sounder w/out clipping, yet with the price of decreased SNR. If you attentuate the signal going into the A/D (by, say, 10dB), the signal level that causes clipping will be louder (by that same 10dB). This is the standard way of doing things. For a given system, setting the level is always a compromise between headroom and noise. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" Mu-law seems to do the opposite. BTW I tried dithering with AA, it did *not* increase the clipping point at all. The dithering *does* makes the sound less "choppy" at lower levels. This is not what I was looking for though. I am looking for something that increases the ability to handle louder sounds. ----- http://mindspring.com/~benbradley |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
On 18 May 2004 17:07:19 -0700, (Curious)
wrote: What I would like is to increase the clipping point - that is, the increase the loudnest sound that can be recorded without causing distortion. I would like a type of codec that does this. Has a strength of being able to handle louder sounder w/out clipping, yet with the price of decreased SNR. If you attentuate the signal going into the A/D (by, say, 10dB), the signal level that causes clipping will be louder (by that same 10dB). This is the standard way of doing things. For a given system, setting the level is always a compromise between headroom and noise. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" Mu-law seems to do the opposite. BTW I tried dithering with AA, it did *not* increase the clipping point at all. The dithering *does* makes the sound less "choppy" at lower levels. This is not what I was looking for though. I am looking for something that increases the ability to handle louder sounds. ----- http://mindspring.com/~benbradley |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
On 18 May 2004 17:07:19 -0700, (Curious)
wrote: What I would like is to increase the clipping point - that is, the increase the loudnest sound that can be recorded without causing distortion. I would like a type of codec that does this. Has a strength of being able to handle louder sounder w/out clipping, yet with the price of decreased SNR. If you attentuate the signal going into the A/D (by, say, 10dB), the signal level that causes clipping will be louder (by that same 10dB). This is the standard way of doing things. For a given system, setting the level is always a compromise between headroom and noise. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" Mu-law seems to do the opposite. BTW I tried dithering with AA, it did *not* increase the clipping point at all. The dithering *does* makes the sound less "choppy" at lower levels. This is not what I was looking for though. I am looking for something that increases the ability to handle louder sounds. ----- http://mindspring.com/~benbradley |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
On 18 May 2004 17:07:19 -0700, (Curious)
wrote: What I would like is to increase the clipping point - that is, the increase the loudnest sound that can be recorded without causing distortion. I would like a type of codec that does this. Has a strength of being able to handle louder sounder w/out clipping, yet with the price of decreased SNR. If you attentuate the signal going into the A/D (by, say, 10dB), the signal level that causes clipping will be louder (by that same 10dB). This is the standard way of doing things. For a given system, setting the level is always a compromise between headroom and noise. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" Mu-law seems to do the opposite. BTW I tried dithering with AA, it did *not* increase the clipping point at all. The dithering *does* makes the sound less "choppy" at lower levels. This is not what I was looking for though. I am looking for something that increases the ability to handle louder sounds. ----- http://mindspring.com/~benbradley |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
Ben Bradley wrote in message . ..
If you attentuate the signal going into the A/D (by, say, 10dB), the signal level that causes clipping will be louder (by that same 10dB). This is the standard way of doing things. For a given system, setting the level is always a compromise between headroom and noise. But I am not doing A/D. I have a CD-ROM that can extract digital audio from the CD itself rather than recording from the CD. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" I want loud music w/out the clipping. I don't like the "red" when I play through my computer software. Clipping has the effect of making me "feel sorry" for the system. It makes the music depressing. I also get the creepy feeling that something in the computer is getting physically damaged because of the clipping. No signs of any damage but the "placebo effect" stresses me out. |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
Ben Bradley wrote in message . ..
If you attentuate the signal going into the A/D (by, say, 10dB), the signal level that causes clipping will be louder (by that same 10dB). This is the standard way of doing things. For a given system, setting the level is always a compromise between headroom and noise. But I am not doing A/D. I have a CD-ROM that can extract digital audio from the CD itself rather than recording from the CD. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" I want loud music w/out the clipping. I don't like the "red" when I play through my computer software. Clipping has the effect of making me "feel sorry" for the system. It makes the music depressing. I also get the creepy feeling that something in the computer is getting physically damaged because of the clipping. No signs of any damage but the "placebo effect" stresses me out. |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
Ben Bradley wrote in message . ..
If you attentuate the signal going into the A/D (by, say, 10dB), the signal level that causes clipping will be louder (by that same 10dB). This is the standard way of doing things. For a given system, setting the level is always a compromise between headroom and noise. But I am not doing A/D. I have a CD-ROM that can extract digital audio from the CD itself rather than recording from the CD. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" I want loud music w/out the clipping. I don't like the "red" when I play through my computer software. Clipping has the effect of making me "feel sorry" for the system. It makes the music depressing. I also get the creepy feeling that something in the computer is getting physically damaged because of the clipping. No signs of any damage but the "placebo effect" stresses me out. |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
Ben Bradley wrote in message . ..
If you attentuate the signal going into the A/D (by, say, 10dB), the signal level that causes clipping will be louder (by that same 10dB). This is the standard way of doing things. For a given system, setting the level is always a compromise between headroom and noise. But I am not doing A/D. I have a CD-ROM that can extract digital audio from the CD itself rather than recording from the CD. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" I want loud music w/out the clipping. I don't like the "red" when I play through my computer software. Clipping has the effect of making me "feel sorry" for the system. It makes the music depressing. I also get the creepy feeling that something in the computer is getting physically damaged because of the clipping. No signs of any damage but the "placebo effect" stresses me out. |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
"Curious" wrote in message m... Ben Bradley wrote in message . .. If you attentuate the signal going into the A/D (by, say, 10dB), the signal level that causes clipping will be louder (by that same 10dB). This is the standard way of doing things. For a given system, setting the level is always a compromise between headroom and noise. But I am not doing A/D. I have a CD-ROM that can extract digital audio from the CD itself rather than recording from the CD. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" I want loud music w/out the clipping. I don't like the "red" when I play through my computer software. Clipping has the effect of making me "feel sorry" for the system. It makes the music depressing. I also get the creepy feeling that something in the computer is getting physically damaged because of the clipping. No signs of any damage but the "placebo effect" stresses me out. If you're going "in the red" it means that you have run out of bits to represent the audio. All that stress, depressing sound and creepy feelings are the direct result of distortion, and there's no silver bullet that will break, modify or bend the laws of physics for you. You've hit top end, that's all there is, there isn't any more. Doesn't your computer play loud enough? It's possible that something isn't set up correctly, or isn't working correctly. Assuming everything is working properly, and you want ear-shattering sound levels, the only way you can make the music louder without overloading the system's design parameters is to play it back with a bigger amplifier or more sensitive speakers/headphones. Assuming your ears can take it, you can get practically unlimited loudness by purchasing a powerful enough amplifier. That's what they do at rock concerts. You can get thousands of watts of clean audio, but you still have to stay within the system parameters. You can't go into the red without distortion, no matter what. |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
"Curious" wrote in message m... Ben Bradley wrote in message . .. If you attentuate the signal going into the A/D (by, say, 10dB), the signal level that causes clipping will be louder (by that same 10dB). This is the standard way of doing things. For a given system, setting the level is always a compromise between headroom and noise. But I am not doing A/D. I have a CD-ROM that can extract digital audio from the CD itself rather than recording from the CD. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" I want loud music w/out the clipping. I don't like the "red" when I play through my computer software. Clipping has the effect of making me "feel sorry" for the system. It makes the music depressing. I also get the creepy feeling that something in the computer is getting physically damaged because of the clipping. No signs of any damage but the "placebo effect" stresses me out. If you're going "in the red" it means that you have run out of bits to represent the audio. All that stress, depressing sound and creepy feelings are the direct result of distortion, and there's no silver bullet that will break, modify or bend the laws of physics for you. You've hit top end, that's all there is, there isn't any more. Doesn't your computer play loud enough? It's possible that something isn't set up correctly, or isn't working correctly. Assuming everything is working properly, and you want ear-shattering sound levels, the only way you can make the music louder without overloading the system's design parameters is to play it back with a bigger amplifier or more sensitive speakers/headphones. Assuming your ears can take it, you can get practically unlimited loudness by purchasing a powerful enough amplifier. That's what they do at rock concerts. You can get thousands of watts of clean audio, but you still have to stay within the system parameters. You can't go into the red without distortion, no matter what. |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
"Curious" wrote in message m... Ben Bradley wrote in message . .. If you attentuate the signal going into the A/D (by, say, 10dB), the signal level that causes clipping will be louder (by that same 10dB). This is the standard way of doing things. For a given system, setting the level is always a compromise between headroom and noise. But I am not doing A/D. I have a CD-ROM that can extract digital audio from the CD itself rather than recording from the CD. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" I want loud music w/out the clipping. I don't like the "red" when I play through my computer software. Clipping has the effect of making me "feel sorry" for the system. It makes the music depressing. I also get the creepy feeling that something in the computer is getting physically damaged because of the clipping. No signs of any damage but the "placebo effect" stresses me out. If you're going "in the red" it means that you have run out of bits to represent the audio. All that stress, depressing sound and creepy feelings are the direct result of distortion, and there's no silver bullet that will break, modify or bend the laws of physics for you. You've hit top end, that's all there is, there isn't any more. Doesn't your computer play loud enough? It's possible that something isn't set up correctly, or isn't working correctly. Assuming everything is working properly, and you want ear-shattering sound levels, the only way you can make the music louder without overloading the system's design parameters is to play it back with a bigger amplifier or more sensitive speakers/headphones. Assuming your ears can take it, you can get practically unlimited loudness by purchasing a powerful enough amplifier. That's what they do at rock concerts. You can get thousands of watts of clean audio, but you still have to stay within the system parameters. You can't go into the red without distortion, no matter what. |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
"Curious" wrote in message m... Ben Bradley wrote in message . .. If you attentuate the signal going into the A/D (by, say, 10dB), the signal level that causes clipping will be louder (by that same 10dB). This is the standard way of doing things. For a given system, setting the level is always a compromise between headroom and noise. But I am not doing A/D. I have a CD-ROM that can extract digital audio from the CD itself rather than recording from the CD. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" I want loud music w/out the clipping. I don't like the "red" when I play through my computer software. Clipping has the effect of making me "feel sorry" for the system. It makes the music depressing. I also get the creepy feeling that something in the computer is getting physically damaged because of the clipping. No signs of any damage but the "placebo effect" stresses me out. If you're going "in the red" it means that you have run out of bits to represent the audio. All that stress, depressing sound and creepy feelings are the direct result of distortion, and there's no silver bullet that will break, modify or bend the laws of physics for you. You've hit top end, that's all there is, there isn't any more. Doesn't your computer play loud enough? It's possible that something isn't set up correctly, or isn't working correctly. Assuming everything is working properly, and you want ear-shattering sound levels, the only way you can make the music louder without overloading the system's design parameters is to play it back with a bigger amplifier or more sensitive speakers/headphones. Assuming your ears can take it, you can get practically unlimited loudness by purchasing a powerful enough amplifier. That's what they do at rock concerts. You can get thousands of watts of clean audio, but you still have to stay within the system parameters. You can't go into the red without distortion, no matter what. |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
Curious wrote:
Ben Bradley wrote in message . .. If you attentuate the signal going into the A/D (by, say, 10dB), the signal level that causes clipping will be louder (by that same 10dB). This is the standard way of doing things. For a given system, setting the level is always a compromise between headroom and noise. But I am not doing A/D. I have a CD-ROM that can extract digital audio from the CD itself rather than recording from the CD. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" I want loud music w/out the clipping. I don't like the "red" when I play through my computer software. Clipping has the effect of making me "feel sorry" for the system. It makes the music depressing. I also get the creepy feeling that something in the computer is getting physically damaged because of the clipping. No signs of any damage but the "placebo effect" stresses me out. Mu-law is used for digital telephony. It's about dynamic range, not power level, and has nothing to do with what you want to accomplish. To get more loudness out of a sound system, you have to put more power into it: get a bigger amplifier and stop wasting everybody's time. When I was 15, a thirteen-year-old asked me how to make gunpowder, and I told him. I should have learned right then to stop answering questions without knowing the whole context. Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
Curious wrote:
Ben Bradley wrote in message . .. If you attentuate the signal going into the A/D (by, say, 10dB), the signal level that causes clipping will be louder (by that same 10dB). This is the standard way of doing things. For a given system, setting the level is always a compromise between headroom and noise. But I am not doing A/D. I have a CD-ROM that can extract digital audio from the CD itself rather than recording from the CD. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" I want loud music w/out the clipping. I don't like the "red" when I play through my computer software. Clipping has the effect of making me "feel sorry" for the system. It makes the music depressing. I also get the creepy feeling that something in the computer is getting physically damaged because of the clipping. No signs of any damage but the "placebo effect" stresses me out. Mu-law is used for digital telephony. It's about dynamic range, not power level, and has nothing to do with what you want to accomplish. To get more loudness out of a sound system, you have to put more power into it: get a bigger amplifier and stop wasting everybody's time. When I was 15, a thirteen-year-old asked me how to make gunpowder, and I told him. I should have learned right then to stop answering questions without knowing the whole context. Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
Curious wrote:
Ben Bradley wrote in message . .. If you attentuate the signal going into the A/D (by, say, 10dB), the signal level that causes clipping will be louder (by that same 10dB). This is the standard way of doing things. For a given system, setting the level is always a compromise between headroom and noise. But I am not doing A/D. I have a CD-ROM that can extract digital audio from the CD itself rather than recording from the CD. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" I want loud music w/out the clipping. I don't like the "red" when I play through my computer software. Clipping has the effect of making me "feel sorry" for the system. It makes the music depressing. I also get the creepy feeling that something in the computer is getting physically damaged because of the clipping. No signs of any damage but the "placebo effect" stresses me out. Mu-law is used for digital telephony. It's about dynamic range, not power level, and has nothing to do with what you want to accomplish. To get more loudness out of a sound system, you have to put more power into it: get a bigger amplifier and stop wasting everybody's time. When I was 15, a thirteen-year-old asked me how to make gunpowder, and I told him. I should have learned right then to stop answering questions without knowing the whole context. Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
Curious wrote:
Ben Bradley wrote in message . .. If you attentuate the signal going into the A/D (by, say, 10dB), the signal level that causes clipping will be louder (by that same 10dB). This is the standard way of doing things. For a given system, setting the level is always a compromise between headroom and noise. But I am not doing A/D. I have a CD-ROM that can extract digital audio from the CD itself rather than recording from the CD. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" I want loud music w/out the clipping. I don't like the "red" when I play through my computer software. Clipping has the effect of making me "feel sorry" for the system. It makes the music depressing. I also get the creepy feeling that something in the computer is getting physically damaged because of the clipping. No signs of any damage but the "placebo effect" stresses me out. Mu-law is used for digital telephony. It's about dynamic range, not power level, and has nothing to do with what you want to accomplish. To get more loudness out of a sound system, you have to put more power into it: get a bigger amplifier and stop wasting everybody's time. When I was 15, a thirteen-year-old asked me how to make gunpowder, and I told him. I should have learned right then to stop answering questions without knowing the whole context. Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
On 19 May 2004 20:15:45 -0700, (Curious)
wrote: Ben Bradley wrote in message . .. If you attentuate the signal going into the A/D (by, say, 10dB), the signal level that causes clipping will be louder (by that same 10dB). This is the standard way of doing things. For a given system, setting the level is always a compromise between headroom and noise. But I am not doing A/D. I have a CD-ROM that can extract digital audio from the CD itself rather than recording from the CD. Oh, THAT explains it. You're playing a commercial audio CD recorded or remastered within the last ten years or so. And the distortion is coming from the CD. BTW, CD's are recorded with linear PCM, and this has nothing to do with mu-law encoding. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH YOUR EQUIPMENT. oops, sorry, didn't mean to yell... Furthermore, there is nothing you can do about the situation with the CD's you have. The appropriate thing to do is complain to the record label about the sound, but don't hold your breath waiting for them to release a 'fixed' copy. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" I want loud music w/out the clipping. I don't like the "red" when I play through my computer software. Clipping has the effect of making me "feel sorry" for the system. It makes the music depressing. I also get the creepy feeling that something in the computer is getting physically damaged because of the clipping. Okay, you don't have to worry about that last thing, even if you already 'know' that you can't damage anything thay way. All that can really be damaged is the music, and most unfortunately, it is ALREADY damaged on the CD. No signs of any damage but the "placebo effect" stresses me out. You're far from the only person to complain about clipping and distorted sound recent CD's. Here's an infamous article about a recent RUSH release. This is about a heavy metal record, but this "hypercompression" to make each CD sound louder than the competition's CD's covers almost all genres of popular music. This article tells the story: http://www.prorec.com/prorec/article...256C2E005DAF1C ----- http://mindspring.com/~benbradley |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
On 19 May 2004 20:15:45 -0700, (Curious)
wrote: Ben Bradley wrote in message . .. If you attentuate the signal going into the A/D (by, say, 10dB), the signal level that causes clipping will be louder (by that same 10dB). This is the standard way of doing things. For a given system, setting the level is always a compromise between headroom and noise. But I am not doing A/D. I have a CD-ROM that can extract digital audio from the CD itself rather than recording from the CD. Oh, THAT explains it. You're playing a commercial audio CD recorded or remastered within the last ten years or so. And the distortion is coming from the CD. BTW, CD's are recorded with linear PCM, and this has nothing to do with mu-law encoding. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH YOUR EQUIPMENT. oops, sorry, didn't mean to yell... Furthermore, there is nothing you can do about the situation with the CD's you have. The appropriate thing to do is complain to the record label about the sound, but don't hold your breath waiting for them to release a 'fixed' copy. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" I want loud music w/out the clipping. I don't like the "red" when I play through my computer software. Clipping has the effect of making me "feel sorry" for the system. It makes the music depressing. I also get the creepy feeling that something in the computer is getting physically damaged because of the clipping. Okay, you don't have to worry about that last thing, even if you already 'know' that you can't damage anything thay way. All that can really be damaged is the music, and most unfortunately, it is ALREADY damaged on the CD. No signs of any damage but the "placebo effect" stresses me out. You're far from the only person to complain about clipping and distorted sound recent CD's. Here's an infamous article about a recent RUSH release. This is about a heavy metal record, but this "hypercompression" to make each CD sound louder than the competition's CD's covers almost all genres of popular music. This article tells the story: http://www.prorec.com/prorec/article...256C2E005DAF1C ----- http://mindspring.com/~benbradley |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
On 19 May 2004 20:15:45 -0700, (Curious)
wrote: Ben Bradley wrote in message . .. If you attentuate the signal going into the A/D (by, say, 10dB), the signal level that causes clipping will be louder (by that same 10dB). This is the standard way of doing things. For a given system, setting the level is always a compromise between headroom and noise. But I am not doing A/D. I have a CD-ROM that can extract digital audio from the CD itself rather than recording from the CD. Oh, THAT explains it. You're playing a commercial audio CD recorded or remastered within the last ten years or so. And the distortion is coming from the CD. BTW, CD's are recorded with linear PCM, and this has nothing to do with mu-law encoding. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH YOUR EQUIPMENT. oops, sorry, didn't mean to yell... Furthermore, there is nothing you can do about the situation with the CD's you have. The appropriate thing to do is complain to the record label about the sound, but don't hold your breath waiting for them to release a 'fixed' copy. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" I want loud music w/out the clipping. I don't like the "red" when I play through my computer software. Clipping has the effect of making me "feel sorry" for the system. It makes the music depressing. I also get the creepy feeling that something in the computer is getting physically damaged because of the clipping. Okay, you don't have to worry about that last thing, even if you already 'know' that you can't damage anything thay way. All that can really be damaged is the music, and most unfortunately, it is ALREADY damaged on the CD. No signs of any damage but the "placebo effect" stresses me out. You're far from the only person to complain about clipping and distorted sound recent CD's. Here's an infamous article about a recent RUSH release. This is about a heavy metal record, but this "hypercompression" to make each CD sound louder than the competition's CD's covers almost all genres of popular music. This article tells the story: http://www.prorec.com/prorec/article...256C2E005DAF1C ----- http://mindspring.com/~benbradley |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
On 19 May 2004 20:15:45 -0700, (Curious)
wrote: Ben Bradley wrote in message . .. If you attentuate the signal going into the A/D (by, say, 10dB), the signal level that causes clipping will be louder (by that same 10dB). This is the standard way of doing things. For a given system, setting the level is always a compromise between headroom and noise. But I am not doing A/D. I have a CD-ROM that can extract digital audio from the CD itself rather than recording from the CD. Oh, THAT explains it. You're playing a commercial audio CD recorded or remastered within the last ten years or so. And the distortion is coming from the CD. BTW, CD's are recorded with linear PCM, and this has nothing to do with mu-law encoding. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH YOUR EQUIPMENT. oops, sorry, didn't mean to yell... Furthermore, there is nothing you can do about the situation with the CD's you have. The appropriate thing to do is complain to the record label about the sound, but don't hold your breath waiting for them to release a 'fixed' copy. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" I want loud music w/out the clipping. I don't like the "red" when I play through my computer software. Clipping has the effect of making me "feel sorry" for the system. It makes the music depressing. I also get the creepy feeling that something in the computer is getting physically damaged because of the clipping. Okay, you don't have to worry about that last thing, even if you already 'know' that you can't damage anything thay way. All that can really be damaged is the music, and most unfortunately, it is ALREADY damaged on the CD. No signs of any damage but the "placebo effect" stresses me out. You're far from the only person to complain about clipping and distorted sound recent CD's. Here's an infamous article about a recent RUSH release. This is about a heavy metal record, but this "hypercompression" to make each CD sound louder than the competition's CD's covers almost all genres of popular music. This article tells the story: http://www.prorec.com/prorec/article...256C2E005DAF1C ----- http://mindspring.com/~benbradley |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
Ben Bradley wrote in message . ..
On 19 May 2004 20:15:45 -0700, (Curious) wrote: Ben Bradley wrote in message . .. If you attentuate the signal going into the A/D (by, say, 10dB), the signal level that causes clipping will be louder (by that same 10dB). This is the standard way of doing things. For a given system, setting the level is always a compromise between headroom and noise. But I am not doing A/D. I have a CD-ROM that can extract digital audio from the CD itself rather than recording from the CD. Oh, THAT explains it. You're playing a commercial audio CD recorded or remastered within the last ten years or so. And the distortion is coming from the CD. Nothing wrong with the CD. The original sound is recorded loudly. The song is "We Live". The singer is Bosson. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH YOUR EQUIPMENT. oops, sorry, didn't mean to yell... Furthermore, there is nothing you can do about the situation with the CD's you have. The appropriate thing to do is complain to the record label about the sound, but don't hold your breath waiting for them to release a 'fixed' copy. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" I want loud music w/out the clipping. I don't like the "red" when I play through my computer software. Clipping has the effect of making me "feel sorry" for the system. It makes the music depressing. I also get the creepy feeling that something in the computer is getting physically damaged because of the clipping. Okay, you don't have to worry about that last thing, even if you already 'know' that you can't damage anything thay way. All that can really be damaged is the music, and most unfortunately, it is ALREADY damaged on the CD. You mean the "song" is damaged. Cuz it was originally recorded at that high volume. Some songs are just recorded loudly. Time travel would be necessary to correct that. I don't really hear the clipping, however, I still get worried when the "red" is hit. |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
Ben Bradley wrote in message . ..
On 19 May 2004 20:15:45 -0700, (Curious) wrote: Ben Bradley wrote in message . .. If you attentuate the signal going into the A/D (by, say, 10dB), the signal level that causes clipping will be louder (by that same 10dB). This is the standard way of doing things. For a given system, setting the level is always a compromise between headroom and noise. But I am not doing A/D. I have a CD-ROM that can extract digital audio from the CD itself rather than recording from the CD. Oh, THAT explains it. You're playing a commercial audio CD recorded or remastered within the last ten years or so. And the distortion is coming from the CD. Nothing wrong with the CD. The original sound is recorded loudly. The song is "We Live". The singer is Bosson. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH YOUR EQUIPMENT. oops, sorry, didn't mean to yell... Furthermore, there is nothing you can do about the situation with the CD's you have. The appropriate thing to do is complain to the record label about the sound, but don't hold your breath waiting for them to release a 'fixed' copy. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" I want loud music w/out the clipping. I don't like the "red" when I play through my computer software. Clipping has the effect of making me "feel sorry" for the system. It makes the music depressing. I also get the creepy feeling that something in the computer is getting physically damaged because of the clipping. Okay, you don't have to worry about that last thing, even if you already 'know' that you can't damage anything thay way. All that can really be damaged is the music, and most unfortunately, it is ALREADY damaged on the CD. You mean the "song" is damaged. Cuz it was originally recorded at that high volume. Some songs are just recorded loudly. Time travel would be necessary to correct that. I don't really hear the clipping, however, I still get worried when the "red" is hit. |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
Ben Bradley wrote in message . ..
On 19 May 2004 20:15:45 -0700, (Curious) wrote: Ben Bradley wrote in message . .. If you attentuate the signal going into the A/D (by, say, 10dB), the signal level that causes clipping will be louder (by that same 10dB). This is the standard way of doing things. For a given system, setting the level is always a compromise between headroom and noise. But I am not doing A/D. I have a CD-ROM that can extract digital audio from the CD itself rather than recording from the CD. Oh, THAT explains it. You're playing a commercial audio CD recorded or remastered within the last ten years or so. And the distortion is coming from the CD. Nothing wrong with the CD. The original sound is recorded loudly. The song is "We Live". The singer is Bosson. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH YOUR EQUIPMENT. oops, sorry, didn't mean to yell... Furthermore, there is nothing you can do about the situation with the CD's you have. The appropriate thing to do is complain to the record label about the sound, but don't hold your breath waiting for them to release a 'fixed' copy. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" I want loud music w/out the clipping. I don't like the "red" when I play through my computer software. Clipping has the effect of making me "feel sorry" for the system. It makes the music depressing. I also get the creepy feeling that something in the computer is getting physically damaged because of the clipping. Okay, you don't have to worry about that last thing, even if you already 'know' that you can't damage anything thay way. All that can really be damaged is the music, and most unfortunately, it is ALREADY damaged on the CD. You mean the "song" is damaged. Cuz it was originally recorded at that high volume. Some songs are just recorded loudly. Time travel would be necessary to correct that. I don't really hear the clipping, however, I still get worried when the "red" is hit. |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
Ben Bradley wrote in message . ..
On 19 May 2004 20:15:45 -0700, (Curious) wrote: Ben Bradley wrote in message . .. If you attentuate the signal going into the A/D (by, say, 10dB), the signal level that causes clipping will be louder (by that same 10dB). This is the standard way of doing things. For a given system, setting the level is always a compromise between headroom and noise. But I am not doing A/D. I have a CD-ROM that can extract digital audio from the CD itself rather than recording from the CD. Oh, THAT explains it. You're playing a commercial audio CD recorded or remastered within the last ten years or so. And the distortion is coming from the CD. Nothing wrong with the CD. The original sound is recorded loudly. The song is "We Live". The singer is Bosson. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH YOUR EQUIPMENT. oops, sorry, didn't mean to yell... Furthermore, there is nothing you can do about the situation with the CD's you have. The appropriate thing to do is complain to the record label about the sound, but don't hold your breath waiting for them to release a 'fixed' copy. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" I want loud music w/out the clipping. I don't like the "red" when I play through my computer software. Clipping has the effect of making me "feel sorry" for the system. It makes the music depressing. I also get the creepy feeling that something in the computer is getting physically damaged because of the clipping. Okay, you don't have to worry about that last thing, even if you already 'know' that you can't damage anything thay way. All that can really be damaged is the music, and most unfortunately, it is ALREADY damaged on the CD. You mean the "song" is damaged. Cuz it was originally recorded at that high volume. Some songs are just recorded loudly. Time travel would be necessary to correct that. I don't really hear the clipping, however, I still get worried when the "red" is hit. |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
Jerry Avins wrote in message ...
To get more loudness out of a sound system, you have to put more power into it. Which amplifier has all four characteristics: 1. Max. power capacities 2. Highest upper-frequency response 3. All audio processing is purely digital [excluding the obvious ADC and DAC] 4. No lossy compression or data reduction 5. Digital audio input ???? |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
Jerry Avins wrote in message ...
To get more loudness out of a sound system, you have to put more power into it. Which amplifier has all four characteristics: 1. Max. power capacities 2. Highest upper-frequency response 3. All audio processing is purely digital [excluding the obvious ADC and DAC] 4. No lossy compression or data reduction 5. Digital audio input ???? |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
Jerry Avins wrote in message ...
To get more loudness out of a sound system, you have to put more power into it. Which amplifier has all four characteristics: 1. Max. power capacities 2. Highest upper-frequency response 3. All audio processing is purely digital [excluding the obvious ADC and DAC] 4. No lossy compression or data reduction 5. Digital audio input ???? |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
Jerry Avins wrote in message ...
To get more loudness out of a sound system, you have to put more power into it. Which amplifier has all four characteristics: 1. Max. power capacities 2. Highest upper-frequency response 3. All audio processing is purely digital [excluding the obvious ADC and DAC] 4. No lossy compression or data reduction 5. Digital audio input ???? |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
"Curious" wrote in message om... Jerry Avins wrote in message ... To get more loudness out of a sound system, you have to put more power into it. Which amplifier has all four characteristics: 1. Max. power capacities 2. Highest upper-frequency response 3. All audio processing is purely digital [excluding the obvious ADC and DAC] 4. No lossy compression or data reduction 5. Digital audio input ???? Before I answer that, I would need to know what kind of listening you do: Headphones? Speakers? Using a computer with something like Windows Media Player or WinAmp? I-Pod? Hi-Fi sound system? Some of your questions don't make sense, taken together: 1. Maximum power? Compared to what? Headphones only need a few milliwatts. Speakers might need a hundred watts or more. 2. Upper frequency response? Your ears, and most source material don't go any higher than 20,000 Hz. 4. Lossy compression or data reduction is a function of the storage or transmission medium, not the amplifier. |
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"Curious" wrote in message om... Jerry Avins wrote in message ... To get more loudness out of a sound system, you have to put more power into it. Which amplifier has all four characteristics: 1. Max. power capacities 2. Highest upper-frequency response 3. All audio processing is purely digital [excluding the obvious ADC and DAC] 4. No lossy compression or data reduction 5. Digital audio input ???? Before I answer that, I would need to know what kind of listening you do: Headphones? Speakers? Using a computer with something like Windows Media Player or WinAmp? I-Pod? Hi-Fi sound system? Some of your questions don't make sense, taken together: 1. Maximum power? Compared to what? Headphones only need a few milliwatts. Speakers might need a hundred watts or more. 2. Upper frequency response? Your ears, and most source material don't go any higher than 20,000 Hz. 4. Lossy compression or data reduction is a function of the storage or transmission medium, not the amplifier. |
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"Curious" wrote in message om... Jerry Avins wrote in message ... To get more loudness out of a sound system, you have to put more power into it. Which amplifier has all four characteristics: 1. Max. power capacities 2. Highest upper-frequency response 3. All audio processing is purely digital [excluding the obvious ADC and DAC] 4. No lossy compression or data reduction 5. Digital audio input ???? Before I answer that, I would need to know what kind of listening you do: Headphones? Speakers? Using a computer with something like Windows Media Player or WinAmp? I-Pod? Hi-Fi sound system? Some of your questions don't make sense, taken together: 1. Maximum power? Compared to what? Headphones only need a few milliwatts. Speakers might need a hundred watts or more. 2. Upper frequency response? Your ears, and most source material don't go any higher than 20,000 Hz. 4. Lossy compression or data reduction is a function of the storage or transmission medium, not the amplifier. |
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"Curious" wrote in message om... Jerry Avins wrote in message ... To get more loudness out of a sound system, you have to put more power into it. Which amplifier has all four characteristics: 1. Max. power capacities 2. Highest upper-frequency response 3. All audio processing is purely digital [excluding the obvious ADC and DAC] 4. No lossy compression or data reduction 5. Digital audio input ???? Before I answer that, I would need to know what kind of listening you do: Headphones? Speakers? Using a computer with something like Windows Media Player or WinAmp? I-Pod? Hi-Fi sound system? Some of your questions don't make sense, taken together: 1. Maximum power? Compared to what? Headphones only need a few milliwatts. Speakers might need a hundred watts or more. 2. Upper frequency response? Your ears, and most source material don't go any higher than 20,000 Hz. 4. Lossy compression or data reduction is a function of the storage or transmission medium, not the amplifier. |
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Curious wrote:
Jerry Avins wrote in message ... To get more loudness out of a sound system, you have to put more power into it. Which amplifier has all four characteristics: 1. Max. power capacities 2. Highest upper-frequency response 3. All audio processing is purely digital [excluding the obvious ADC and DAC] 4. No lossy compression or data reduction 5. Digital audio input ???? We evidently mean different things by "amplifier". I meant a device that accepts a weak low-power analog input in the audio range, and puts out a higher power version of the same signal. It does no "processing", either digital or analog. As to maximum power, I know of some available that provide 25 kilowatts, but I've never heard of one of them driving a loudspeaker. The purpose of the amplifier is to provide more power to your loudspeakers than your present system can. You don't need digital input, and there are too many standards for it to make sense anyway. Drive it from the line-out jack on your sound card. No DAC I'm aware of can provide enough power to drive a loudspeaker. You need an analog amplifier between a DAC and the speaker. If you don't have one now, that's your problem. Each new question you ask reveals a wider gap in your knowledge than the previous. There is such a state as not knowing enough for me to tell you anything. I'm not yet convinced that that's the case, but we're getting closer. Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ |
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Curious wrote:
Jerry Avins wrote in message ... To get more loudness out of a sound system, you have to put more power into it. Which amplifier has all four characteristics: 1. Max. power capacities 2. Highest upper-frequency response 3. All audio processing is purely digital [excluding the obvious ADC and DAC] 4. No lossy compression or data reduction 5. Digital audio input ???? We evidently mean different things by "amplifier". I meant a device that accepts a weak low-power analog input in the audio range, and puts out a higher power version of the same signal. It does no "processing", either digital or analog. As to maximum power, I know of some available that provide 25 kilowatts, but I've never heard of one of them driving a loudspeaker. The purpose of the amplifier is to provide more power to your loudspeakers than your present system can. You don't need digital input, and there are too many standards for it to make sense anyway. Drive it from the line-out jack on your sound card. No DAC I'm aware of can provide enough power to drive a loudspeaker. You need an analog amplifier between a DAC and the speaker. If you don't have one now, that's your problem. Each new question you ask reveals a wider gap in your knowledge than the previous. There is such a state as not knowing enough for me to tell you anything. I'm not yet convinced that that's the case, but we're getting closer. Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ |
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Curious wrote:
Jerry Avins wrote in message ... To get more loudness out of a sound system, you have to put more power into it. Which amplifier has all four characteristics: 1. Max. power capacities 2. Highest upper-frequency response 3. All audio processing is purely digital [excluding the obvious ADC and DAC] 4. No lossy compression or data reduction 5. Digital audio input ???? We evidently mean different things by "amplifier". I meant a device that accepts a weak low-power analog input in the audio range, and puts out a higher power version of the same signal. It does no "processing", either digital or analog. As to maximum power, I know of some available that provide 25 kilowatts, but I've never heard of one of them driving a loudspeaker. The purpose of the amplifier is to provide more power to your loudspeakers than your present system can. You don't need digital input, and there are too many standards for it to make sense anyway. Drive it from the line-out jack on your sound card. No DAC I'm aware of can provide enough power to drive a loudspeaker. You need an analog amplifier between a DAC and the speaker. If you don't have one now, that's your problem. Each new question you ask reveals a wider gap in your knowledge than the previous. There is such a state as not knowing enough for me to tell you anything. I'm not yet convinced that that's the case, but we're getting closer. Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ |
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Curious wrote:
Jerry Avins wrote in message ... To get more loudness out of a sound system, you have to put more power into it. Which amplifier has all four characteristics: 1. Max. power capacities 2. Highest upper-frequency response 3. All audio processing is purely digital [excluding the obvious ADC and DAC] 4. No lossy compression or data reduction 5. Digital audio input ???? We evidently mean different things by "amplifier". I meant a device that accepts a weak low-power analog input in the audio range, and puts out a higher power version of the same signal. It does no "processing", either digital or analog. As to maximum power, I know of some available that provide 25 kilowatts, but I've never heard of one of them driving a loudspeaker. The purpose of the amplifier is to provide more power to your loudspeakers than your present system can. You don't need digital input, and there are too many standards for it to make sense anyway. Drive it from the line-out jack on your sound card. No DAC I'm aware of can provide enough power to drive a loudspeaker. You need an analog amplifier between a DAC and the speaker. If you don't have one now, that's your problem. Each new question you ask reveals a wider gap in your knowledge than the previous. There is such a state as not knowing enough for me to tell you anything. I'm not yet convinced that that's the case, but we're getting closer. Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
On 20 May 2004 19:39:31 -0700, (Curious)
wrote: Ben Bradley wrote in message . .. On 19 May 2004 20:15:45 -0700, (Curious) wrote: But I am not doing A/D. I have a CD-ROM that can extract digital audio from the CD itself rather than recording from the CD. Oh, THAT explains it. You're playing a commercial audio CD recorded or remastered within the last ten years or so. And the distortion is coming from the CD. Nothing wrong with the CD. I'm sure the CD is giving you the same bits that the engineers and producers put on it and intended to be there, so there's nothing wrong with it in the most reductionistic techical sense. But in the sense of the CD carrying a good, clean, clip-free recording, there's plenty wrong with it. The original sound is recorded loudly. The song is "We Live". The singer is Bosson. Have you loaded it into a .wav editor and seen what the waveform looks like? Does it look like any of those in the article on the recent Rush CD? THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH YOUR EQUIPMENT. oops, sorry, didn't mean to yell... Furthermore, there is nothing you can do about the situation with the CD's you have. The appropriate thing to do is complain to the record label about the sound, but don't hold your breath waiting for them to release a 'fixed' copy. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" I want loud music w/out the clipping. I don't like the "red" when I play through my computer software. Clipping has the effect of making me "feel sorry" for the system. It makes the music depressing. I also get the creepy feeling that something in the computer is getting physically damaged because of the clipping. Okay, you don't have to worry about that last thing, even if you already 'know' that you can't damage anything thay way. All that can really be damaged is the music, and most unfortunately, it is ALREADY damaged on the CD. You mean the "song" is damaged. Cuz it was originally recorded at that high volume. Yes, the music, the song, the recording is damaged. Some songs are just recorded loudly. Time travel would be necessary to correct that. What would be neccesary is to change the attitude of the major labels. Without that, they'd still make it clip. What happened here is NOT an accident, it was intentional. I don't really hear the clipping, however, I still get worried when the "red" is hit. You may not hear blatant clipping, but I'm sure it doesn't sound as clean as it could have. Go to a used CD store and get a CD or two made 15 years ago (not a recent re-release of music over 15 years old, but where the actual CD was made and sold back then), and compare it to the CD's that are showing clipping. With an older CD, he clip light will rarely if ever come on, and the sound will be cleaner. The music industry 'standards' for making a CD have changed in the past decade or so. A song that sounds 'louder' is, at first listen, deemed more interesting and exciting, so it will sell more CD's than a clean-but-not=as-loud song, so record labels are making songs sound louder to increase sales. Yes, they're sacrificing sound quality to make more money. ----- http://mindspring.com/~benbradley |
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On 20 May 2004 19:39:31 -0700, (Curious)
wrote: Ben Bradley wrote in message . .. On 19 May 2004 20:15:45 -0700, (Curious) wrote: But I am not doing A/D. I have a CD-ROM that can extract digital audio from the CD itself rather than recording from the CD. Oh, THAT explains it. You're playing a commercial audio CD recorded or remastered within the last ten years or so. And the distortion is coming from the CD. Nothing wrong with the CD. I'm sure the CD is giving you the same bits that the engineers and producers put on it and intended to be there, so there's nothing wrong with it in the most reductionistic techical sense. But in the sense of the CD carrying a good, clean, clip-free recording, there's plenty wrong with it. The original sound is recorded loudly. The song is "We Live". The singer is Bosson. Have you loaded it into a .wav editor and seen what the waveform looks like? Does it look like any of those in the article on the recent Rush CD? THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH YOUR EQUIPMENT. oops, sorry, didn't mean to yell... Furthermore, there is nothing you can do about the situation with the CD's you have. The appropriate thing to do is complain to the record label about the sound, but don't hold your breath waiting for them to release a 'fixed' copy. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" I want loud music w/out the clipping. I don't like the "red" when I play through my computer software. Clipping has the effect of making me "feel sorry" for the system. It makes the music depressing. I also get the creepy feeling that something in the computer is getting physically damaged because of the clipping. Okay, you don't have to worry about that last thing, even if you already 'know' that you can't damage anything thay way. All that can really be damaged is the music, and most unfortunately, it is ALREADY damaged on the CD. You mean the "song" is damaged. Cuz it was originally recorded at that high volume. Yes, the music, the song, the recording is damaged. Some songs are just recorded loudly. Time travel would be necessary to correct that. What would be neccesary is to change the attitude of the major labels. Without that, they'd still make it clip. What happened here is NOT an accident, it was intentional. I don't really hear the clipping, however, I still get worried when the "red" is hit. You may not hear blatant clipping, but I'm sure it doesn't sound as clean as it could have. Go to a used CD store and get a CD or two made 15 years ago (not a recent re-release of music over 15 years old, but where the actual CD was made and sold back then), and compare it to the CD's that are showing clipping. With an older CD, he clip light will rarely if ever come on, and the sound will be cleaner. The music industry 'standards' for making a CD have changed in the past decade or so. A song that sounds 'louder' is, at first listen, deemed more interesting and exciting, so it will sell more CD's than a clean-but-not=as-loud song, so record labels are making songs sound louder to increase sales. Yes, they're sacrificing sound quality to make more money. ----- http://mindspring.com/~benbradley |
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Opposite of Mu-law?
On 20 May 2004 19:39:31 -0700, (Curious)
wrote: Ben Bradley wrote in message . .. On 19 May 2004 20:15:45 -0700, (Curious) wrote: But I am not doing A/D. I have a CD-ROM that can extract digital audio from the CD itself rather than recording from the CD. Oh, THAT explains it. You're playing a commercial audio CD recorded or remastered within the last ten years or so. And the distortion is coming from the CD. Nothing wrong with the CD. I'm sure the CD is giving you the same bits that the engineers and producers put on it and intended to be there, so there's nothing wrong with it in the most reductionistic techical sense. But in the sense of the CD carrying a good, clean, clip-free recording, there's plenty wrong with it. The original sound is recorded loudly. The song is "We Live". The singer is Bosson. Have you loaded it into a .wav editor and seen what the waveform looks like? Does it look like any of those in the article on the recent Rush CD? THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH YOUR EQUIPMENT. oops, sorry, didn't mean to yell... Furthermore, there is nothing you can do about the situation with the CD's you have. The appropriate thing to do is complain to the record label about the sound, but don't hold your breath waiting for them to release a 'fixed' copy. This all seems too simple - can you explain your application in more detail? Why do you need to "increase the clipping point?" I want loud music w/out the clipping. I don't like the "red" when I play through my computer software. Clipping has the effect of making me "feel sorry" for the system. It makes the music depressing. I also get the creepy feeling that something in the computer is getting physically damaged because of the clipping. Okay, you don't have to worry about that last thing, even if you already 'know' that you can't damage anything thay way. All that can really be damaged is the music, and most unfortunately, it is ALREADY damaged on the CD. You mean the "song" is damaged. Cuz it was originally recorded at that high volume. Yes, the music, the song, the recording is damaged. Some songs are just recorded loudly. Time travel would be necessary to correct that. What would be neccesary is to change the attitude of the major labels. Without that, they'd still make it clip. What happened here is NOT an accident, it was intentional. I don't really hear the clipping, however, I still get worried when the "red" is hit. You may not hear blatant clipping, but I'm sure it doesn't sound as clean as it could have. Go to a used CD store and get a CD or two made 15 years ago (not a recent re-release of music over 15 years old, but where the actual CD was made and sold back then), and compare it to the CD's that are showing clipping. With an older CD, he clip light will rarely if ever come on, and the sound will be cleaner. The music industry 'standards' for making a CD have changed in the past decade or so. A song that sounds 'louder' is, at first listen, deemed more interesting and exciting, so it will sell more CD's than a clean-but-not=as-loud song, so record labels are making songs sound louder to increase sales. Yes, they're sacrificing sound quality to make more money. ----- http://mindspring.com/~benbradley |
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