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(OT)..... What Would You Do With $87 Billion Dollars??
Analogeezer wrote:
Well part of the problem is selection...kind of like if the only choices we had in compressors were an Alesis 3630 and an ART Levelar" Gee last time we had the Shrub, "I invented the internet" Gore, and "Everything is dangerous and Evil" Nader. I think I'd rather vote for Charlie Manson than those three clowns... Anybody catch Gen. Wesley Clark on Bill Maher last week? |
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James Boyk wrote:
the current administration? In what area *have* they shown foresight? In understanding the intricate details of manipulating the Florida election system? In understanding how to transfer large sums of money from California ratepayers to the coffers of their largest contributors? Well, you get the idea... |
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Roger W. Norman wrote:
Anybody catch Gen. Wesley Clark on Bill Maher last week? Missed it, but it should be on tomorrow night again. Clark was just on Hardball and dealing out some good analysis. I asked Col. Hackworth what he thought of Clark and he basically said he was a good soldier and manager, but wouldn't go so far as to say he'd make a good president. Seemed to me like one of the more reasonable and rational voices I've heard in this pre-pre election runup. Someone who actually thinks about the issues and isn't just playing an emotion card. east as if it had something to do with Al Qaeda. And when conservative Republicans start calling for Bush's impeachment (a commentary in WND.com today) it makes me feel like Bush may not get re-elected, if the Dems can just field a qualified candidate. Kerry is about the only one that seems to have a history of sticking to his guns, although he did vote to give Bush the right to use the military without a declaration of war from Congress. It does seem to me that people with military experience that do public service have a better understanding of just what the Constitution is all about. And his background makes him digestible to a large swath of non-thinking middle Amerika--the group which doesn't want to take time to understand the issues and to whom critical thinking is a foreign concept. If we don't get them, or at least a good chunk of them onboard, we don't have a prayer. |
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Missed it, but it should be on tomorrow night again. Clark was just on
Hardball and dealing out some good analysis. I asked Col. Hackworth what he thought of Clark and he basically said he was a good soldier and manager, but wouldn't go so far as to say he'd make a good president. Still, he knows war and how to wage them and doesn't hold truck with this hidden agenda (ain't so hidden now is it?) of trying the sweep through the middle east as if it had something to do with Al Qaeda. And when conservative Republicans start calling for Bush's impeachment (a commentary in WND.com today) it makes me feel like Bush may not get re-elected, if the Dems can just field a qualified candidate. Kerry is about the only one that seems to have a history of sticking to his guns, although he did vote to give Bush the right to use the military without a declaration of war from Congress. It does seem to me that people with military experience that do public service have a better understanding of just what the Constitution is all about. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net. See how far $20 really goes. "Kurt Albershardt" wrote in message ... Analogeezer wrote: Well part of the problem is selection...kind of like if the only choices we had in compressors were an Alesis 3630 and an ART Levelar" Gee last time we had the Shrub, "I invented the internet" Gore, and "Everything is dangerous and Evil" Nader. I think I'd rather vote for Charlie Manson than those three clowns... Anybody catch Gen. Wesley Clark on Bill Maher last week? |
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With $87 billion we could turn our next door neighbors Mexico into a first
world nation, & no American soldiers would be killed in the undertaking. Scott Fraser |
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On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 08:53:13 -0700, James Boyk
wrote: The education disaster is self-perpetuating; once 1/3 of adults are functionally illiterate---the figure that's cited now---it becomes much more difficult to have a politically responsive and responsible populace. But who wants a politically responsive and responsible populace? When we can have a manipulatable consumer base and an all-volunteer military force, boat-rockers are not welcome. Chris Hornbeck |
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nmm wrote:
How does that quote go; "Give a Man a Fish, and Feed him for a Day, Teach him to Fish and feed him for a Lifetime" "Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you get rid of him for the weekend." ulysses |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote: As far as religious war, check out http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34469. Seems that Bin Laden is sneaking up on being the Islamic Messiah, which certainly goes right along with your perception. Had the U.S. deliberately set out to establish him as al Madhi with full understanding of the prophecy, its timing and its fulfillment, it could not have done a better job. The only way Bin Laden could possibly avoid the mantel, assuming that he still lives and that he lives long enough, is to very actively deny it and that ain't likely. The importance of the figure and the passion the belief in its embodiment will elicit in all branches of Islam and in any place it is practiced just can't be overstated. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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Want to know why it's unresolved? Because you can't throw money at a problem
that isn't rooted in money. You can't want something for someone more than they want it for themselves. You can't make people want to take responsibility. You can't make people want to take the first step to fix their problems AMEN!!! John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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I'd rather spend that money on R&D for oil alternatives
such as hydrogen or electrically powered cars, more and safer nuclear power plants, cleaner coal use, etc. and you don't think this stuff is going on as we type? Just as you can't force someone to help themselves you can't force a population to accept technology is isn't ready to. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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Just for reference on the "failure" of the War on Poverty: If you look at the
stats for the percentage (and absolute number) of poor people in America, it starts out the 1960s at a surprisingly high level. Beginning in 1965, when the War on Poverty began, the numbers and percentage go way down, to less than half what they were beforehand -- and this in a time when "poverty" was being more generously defined in order to include as many people as possible in the program So this means that the government giving people money makes them not poor anymore? Please explain this some. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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I am amazed at the number of people who think a pocket full of cash would
solve every problem they have. It never occurs to most of these people that the lack of money in their pocket is not the problem, but just a symptom of a bigger problem found in the grey matter between their ears. This could only come from the mouth of someone withoout money problems. blahblah He's trying to shed light on WHY someone has money problems...people are responsible for themselves..supposedly..unless unable to be...not unwilling to be. How are someones money problems someone elses problem?..specifically. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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The fact that he exploited and tossed aside his workers like fodder, and
fathered an archetype for a system that encourages no skills training and sees workers as expendable cogs in a blind and dumb machine... that doesn't bother you? It bothers me and I don't see very much of it anymore..he was one of the first..did we expect him to get everything right? How about all those American jobs moving to other countries? You can thank Henry Ford for the paradigm that's resulted in that. Those countries are doing the same thing we did..growing and hopefully learning. Henry Ford's mentality is the same one that results in sweat shops where kids are working 80 hours a week for pennies a day. Well..mass production of any kind in it's infancy will probably yield this for a period of time. I guess pennies a day is better than none if that's the only choice. This is the same kind of perspective that would have us deny China and other growing countries the ability to develope industry; and therefore jobs, because burning coal causes too much pollution. We had the chance to grow and excel but others can't? I would just like to know how better to go about it without dictating. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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It's NOT idiotic, if you believe that America is the New Jerusalem, that we
are specially blessed by God and have a divine mission to defeat evil (ie, anything not consistent with Protestant-American values). Isn't this the way the "terrorists" view us? And you fight this How? Dubbya and the fundamentalists are leading the US towards a global religious war that could result in the destruction of our country (and others) and the deaths of tens (if not hundreds) of millions of people. Meaning attack by terrorists again? Wasn't this already happening for years? Evil is not a person, place, or thing. It is a belief -- and you cannot get rid of the belief by getting rid of its believers. Yet this is just what the terrorists are trying to do..we should clue them in. Final gratuitous slap: Any President whose foreign policy is based on "We're good -- they're bad" clearly knows nothing about the history of the world Can you explain this a little..I admit I'm no history buff but can you give an example of a similar situation and the proper response? Thanks, John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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Speak for yourself, pal. I plan on being around for awhile and I think
the profit opportunity is big enough that someone will find a way. http://www.milleniumcell.com/ is close already. At least you know what stock to buy!! John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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He may have *said* that; he may have even thought it; that doesn't mean it
would actually work out that way. And if it did, so what? You're surely not subscribing to the idea that merely wanting to be well off can make one so. If that were true, I assure you, I'd be rich beyond your wildest dreams. It's about a way of "being" not how much you want something. Many have it down so that it works..most of us don't..and that's our responsibility. We're the only developed nation in the world without universal health care. (Yes, the health care in some of those other countries isn't great; but at least they've got it. They've got something to work on. We have 42,000,000 citizens with None, including 9,000,000 children.) First..you're talking about health care "insurance coverage"..not health care. I am one of those 42 million and choose to be at my own peril. We have ..in most areas..the BEST "Health care" in the world. Insurance coverage for everyday events is the reason for the problem in the first place. How much would car insurance cost if it had to pay for oil changes and new tires..sheesh!! We have lots of homeless, 1/3 of whom have *full-time* jobs and still can't afford housing. And we fix this how?? We have huge unemployment. 6% = HUGE..got it. Public health at risk from recurrence of TB (highly contagious) in a population in which 1 of 8 people lacks health care. "Insurance coverage" Schools a disaster as too many teachers know nothing, yet there's no public will to improve education. The education disaster is self-perpetuating; once 1/3 of adults are functionally illiterate---the figure that's cited now---it becomes much more difficult to have a politically responsive and responsible populace. I agree..see it everyday..just wondering what the government can do to fix it. Whatever is responsible, we are certainly allowing unheard-of illegalities and misbehavior on the highest levels of government. I agree. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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Sorry John. Not impressed. Making money isn't really that special.
Just squirrels gathering more nuts..... Showing some humanity is much more impressive. Henry Ford was an asshole, and all his money couldn't buy him a good reputation. But these attributes are not mutually exclusive!! There are plenty of good companies..find out who they are are patronize them whenever possible. If we start condemning evryone from the past with a less that stellar world views and habits we may all have to live on deserted islands or be guilty of partaking in forbidden fruit. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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So because research is already going on to find
a cure for cancer, that's a reason not to spend more on it?? What logic.... Electric cars are already being accepted as well as nuclear power. Hydrogen fuel, if it's successful (cheap and accessible enough), will not be forced on people, they will most likely readily accept it, at least on some scale. Joel "Blind Joni" wrote in message ... I'd rather spend that money on R&D for oil alternatives such as hydrogen or electrically powered cars, more and safer nuclear power plants, cleaner coal use, etc. and you don't think this stuff is going on as we type? Just as you can't force someone to help themselves you can't force a population to accept technology is isn't ready to. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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How about all those American jobs moving to other countries? You can
thank Henry Ford for the paradigm that's resulted in that. This is because we can not compete because of labor unions artificially inflating wages in the US for UNSKILLED workers. Since when did the guy tightening lug nuts in an automotive plant become middle class? Don't need a degree, just know someone working at the big 3 already and you're in, with little chance of getting fired no matter what you do or how unproductive you are. Sounds like communism to me... Joel |
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This is because we can not compete because of labor unions artificially
inflating wages in the US for UNSKILLED workers. Since when did the guy tightening lug nuts in an automotive plant become middle class? Don't need a degree, just know someone working at the big 3 already and you're in, with little chance of getting fired no matter what you do or how unproductive you are. Sounds like communism to me... Actually this sounds about right. As with many things in this country we have artificially inflated segments of the economy to a point where the rest cannot keep up. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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Electric cars are already being accepted as well as nuclear power. Hydrogen fuel, if it's successful (cheap and accessible enough), will not be forced on people, they will most likely readily accept it, We're not building ANY nuclear plants in the USA. Yeah, I did hear that one hasn't been built in quite a few years. Makes you wonder about the safety of all those "old" reactors. .and you gotta plug in the cars and this would be a good place for a solar station type enterprise. The Honda Civic Hybrid does not have to be plugged in. True it still uses some gas but much less than the same car with only a gasoline engine. Joel John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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Blind Joni wrote:
So this means that the government giving people money makes them not poor anymore? Please explain this some. I hope this example isn't too esoteric for you: The government pays for the construction and staffing of a building where young people are sent to be taught communication, analytic, and social skills that will prepare them for a more productive and self-sufficient place in the workforce and in society as a whole. Ideally, this Orwellian institution teaches these kids how to make their own way, so they don't end up a burden on the system through government assistance or incarceration. Just how well it works is dependent in large part on the resources (financial and otherwise) devoted to this far-fetched plan. Do you think it could work, or is this just throwing money at a problem that's not rooted in money? ulysses |
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So this means that the government giving people money makes them not poor
anymore? Please explain this some. The Johnson-era "War on Poverty" was much different than a simple expansion of welfare. It involved job-training programs, which included teaching people skills involved in holding a job, as well as tackling the so-called "culture of poverty". There were plenty of imperfections in the whole scheme, and it was seriously underfunded thanks to the other war going on at the time, Viet Nam. But if you look at the stats, for all its failings, the LBJ War on Poverty really made a dent in the problem, raising millions of people from destitution into at least a stable working-class life. Millions? Yes. Here are some numbers (culled from the Statistical Abstract, 1980, which I happen to have handy): In 1960 there were 39.9 million people living below the poverty level, or 22.2% of the population. In 1965, the first year the Great Society programs were implemented, the number was 33.2 million, or 17.3%. By 1969. the first year of the Nixon administration, it was down to 24.1 million, or 12.1%. It hovered around that figure through the Nixon, Ford and Carter administrations, reaching its low point in 1973, where 23 million were considered poor (11.1%). It was a shock to me to realize that at the end of the Eisenhower administration, 22.2% of the nation was living in poverty. The War on Poverty, in no small measure, reduced that by half, taking ten million people off the poverty rolls while the population increased. And that's no small accomplishment. Peace, Paul |
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It does seem to me that people with military experience that do public
service have a better understanding of just what the Constitution is all about. Oh, that might be a bit of an over-generalization, if you pardon the expression. After all, into that category you can put Curtis Lemay on the one hand and Dwight Eisenhower on the other. Peace, Paul |
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How does that quote go; "Give a Man a Fish, and Feed him for a Day, Teach
him to Fish and feed him for a Lifetime" No; it's "Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day. Teach him to use the internet, and he won't bother you for weeks." Peace, Paul |
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I know I said I wasn't going to participate any further, but I changed my mind.
Congratulations, Justin, your post below proves a point I made earlier: "Justin Ulysses Morse" wrote in message ... Blind Joni wrote: So this means that the government giving people money makes them not poor anymore? Please explain this some. I hope this example isn't too esoteric for you: The government pays for the construction and staffing of a building where young people are sent to be taught communication, analytic, and social skills that will prepare them for a more productive and self-sufficient place in the workforce and in society as a whole. Ideally, this Orwellian institution teaches these kids how to make their own way, so they don't end up a burden on the system through government assistance or incarceration. Just how well it works is dependent in large part on the resources (financial and otherwise) devoted to this far-fetched plan. What a great ****ing idea! Ever hear of Job Corps? http://www.jobcorps.org/ Problem is, your brilliant idea is not dependent on the resources thrown at it; it is totally dependent on people actually showing up to your Orwellian institution to learn a trade and let the federal government help them get a job. And they will. At ****ing gunpoint. You don't get it. We have public schools some kids won't attend. We have trade schools some kids won't attend. We already have federally funded job training they won't attend. Sure, some show up, most don't. Why? Because you can't make people want to better themselves if they don't want to. It doesn't work. No, it doesn't make any sense to me either why a person will be handed a chance at straightening out their situation and refuse to accept it. But it happens in every city of this nation every day. Why do you suppose that is? (Hint: they don't want to.) I am so amused by the numbers of people who really believe you can throw money at poverty and fix the problem. Forty years later, what do we have? More homeless, illiterate poor people. But we're throwing a ****pot of money at the problem, yet we still have the problem. Know what is the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome. Poverty isn't caused by lack of money in the same way a sneeze isn't a cold. The lack of money is a symptom of the way a person thinks, his mindset. Untie that knot and you can fix the problem. Here's an idea that can't be as stupid as throwing money at the problem (which is already demonstrated to be a collossal failure): force everyone to listen to Earl Nightingale's "Lead the Field" five times in a row. In New Orleans I've witnessed the same thing I have here in Houston: Vietnamese families come to this country with nothing -- and I mean nothing -- not even able to speak the English language. Yet, a couple of years later you see some of these people owning their own grocery store, prospering, contributing. Now how the **** does something like that happen? Hint: they want it more than life itself to succeed, and they find a way to get it done. Because it can be done when you have a burning desire to succeed. Without the desire, it cannot happen. It's funny, really. If George W. Bush trotted into r.a.p. and began pontificating about how best to engineer a session, he'd be run out on a rail. Yet so many of you armchair presidents and assorted statesmen think you can put on your asshat and know better how to run this country, think you have Bush all figgered out. Apparently using your Superman x-ray vision glasses you see right through that conservative ****-the-poor pay-off-our-supporters facade. Where were you clear thinkers when Clinton was ****ing this nation in much the same way he was ****ing Ms. Lewinsky? Or does that not count because he was a liberal Democrat? Or it doesn't count because the jobless ratings were low while he was ****ing on the chance to get bin Laden on a silver platter, all the while gutting the military and departments that provide security for this nation so that minor irritations like 9/11 won't happen? A shame this world is going to hell in a handbasket and we have, right here in r.a.p. (or substitute some other newsgroup, it happens everywhere) the sum total of the crystal clear thinking and incredibly well informed genius necessary to fix it. Equally a shame that you have better intel and insight on world affairs than the Oval Office, and the confidence in your conviction that the rest of the world can go to hell, we'll spend our 87 billion right here in the USA. Hey, some of you brilliant liberal thinkers wanted a "global community". Welcome to the new world, gentleman, where your tax dollars get spread far and wide. Why bitch about it now? While you're spending your life energy hating your strawman Bush -- and every other Republican fantasy your liberal brethren and most every college has managed to get you to believe -- bitching and moaning and making all sorts of unqualified, unsubstantiated accusations that fit your view of things, if you believe the world is really ****ed up and you've got all the answers, don't tell us about the labor pains, show us the baby. John |
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On Mon, Sep 8, 2003 10:30 pm, Blind Joni wrote:
I do think we can hold the administration accountable for so transparently taking ALL of our money, and then some, and handing it out to a small group of friends. I think we could all go along with better acountability. I work with a lot of young rap artists from 2nd generation welfare families and I often wonder who's brilliant idea it was to encourage the lifestyle I come in contact with daily..short sited, greedy, impatient, disloyal, irresponsible, undependable, violent liars with children from multiple partners..talk about frustrating and hopeless. I guess it all goes back into the economy in some way. Wasn't that the CIA operation Overlord, under Director John Deutch, that was caught selling drugs in South Central LA? Combined with the Media Images of Success being Shallow Materialism, and Foolish male Bravado. There was some Rap band a few years ago that were rapping on top of "Everyday People" by Sly and teh Family Stone, and the lyrics were about taking someone out cause they disrespected the singer. Looking at teh original song to the 90s version, really shows the shift in ideals. |
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On Mon, Sep 8, 2003 10:48 pm, Blind Joni wrote:
Henry Ford's mentality is the same one that results in sweat shops where kids are working 80 hours a week for pennies a day. Well..mass production of any kind in it's infancy will probably yield this for a period of time. I guess pennies a day is better than none if that's the only choice. This is the same kind of perspective that would have us deny China and other growing countries the ability to develope industry; and therefore jobs, because burning coal causes too much pollution. We had the chance to grow and excel but others can't? I would just like to know how better to go about it without dictating. You have to move the profits from the non working sectors to the working sectors. The National Council of Churches website lists companies that exploit 3rd world labour. Saying we should support China's "ability to develope industry" ignores that guy who was standing in front of a tank in Tienaman Square a few years ago. ( was he eventually crushed?) Now that China has such trade deals with Walmart, the largest employer in America, we ignore their human rights abuses, their records on labour abuses etc? Letting the third world destroy their enviorment isn't really helping anyone. I know thereare a lot of Brasilian Forrestry Workers who hate the enviormentalist movement. They told Sting to get lost on one of his trips there/. But they are being short sighted wanting food on the table tomorrow and not endless weeekends of fishing. --------------------------------------------------------- "Our Nations Must Come Together To Unite" - George W Bush - Tampa FL . June 4th -2001 --------------------------------------------------------- |
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On Tue, Sep 9, 2003 12:40 am, Joel Embry
wrote: The Honda Civic Hybrid does not have to be plugged in. True it still uses some gas but much less than the same car with only a gasoline engine. Joel I looked at getting a Honda Insight.. The insurance was $3,000 a year up from the $800 a year i pay for my RX-7 wich is a lot faster and more dangerous. They are being subverted one way or another --------------------------------------------------------- "You Teach A Child To Read, And He Or Her Will Be Able To Pass A Literacy Test" - George W Bush - Townsend Tn . Feb 21rst -2001 --------------------------------------------------------- |
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On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 04:57:44 -0500, "John LeBlanc"
wrote: Clinton ... was ****ing on the chance to get bin Laden on a silver platter, Other rantage snipped, but this is a piece of history that should not be allowed to be re-written. While Clinton was president, the CIA had predators actively looking for Osama bin Laden, with shoot to kill orders. This quietly ended after the change of administration. 9/11 Two years later, why don't we have him? Chris Hornbeck |
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Justin Ulysses Morse wrote:
Blind Joni wrote: So this means that the government giving people money makes them not poor anymore? Please explain this some. I hope this example isn't too esoteric for you: The government pays for the construction and staffing of a building where young people are sent to be taught communication, analytic, and social skills that will prepare them for a more productive and self-sufficient place in the workforce and in society as a whole. Ideally, this Orwellian institution teaches these kids how to make their own way, so they don't end up a burden on the system through government assistance or incarceration. Just how well it works is dependent in large part on the resources (financial and otherwise) devoted to this far-fetched plan. Do you think it could work, or is this just throwing money at a problem that's not rooted in money? So you're saying that adding $87B to the education budget and _actually sending it into the education system instead of just talking about it_ might help the US? -- ha |
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"Chris Hornbeck" wrote in message ... On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 04:57:44 -0500, "John LeBlanc" wrote: Clinton ... was ****ing on the chance to get bin Laden on a silver platter, Other rantage snipped, but this is a piece of history that should not be allowed to be re-written. While Clinton was president, the CIA had predators actively looking for Osama bin Laden, with shoot to kill orders. This quietly ended after the change of administration. Really? Please present your proof of this allegation. Meanwhile, I assume you are calling Bill Clinton a liar when, February 15, 2002, in a public speech to the Long Island Association, Clinton admitted he spurned a Sudanese offer to hand over bin Laden. (If you chose to disbelieve Clinton himself -- which is perfectly understandable -- Sandy Berger admits the offer was made.) The fact is, Bashir offered to arrest and extradite bin Laden -- or at least baby sit him -- and provide intel on Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah. Clinton ignored the offer. Feel free to make yourself more informed: http://www.nationalreview.com/ijaz/ijaz042903.asp By the way, audio tape of the speech Clinton made to the Long Island Association backing up Ijaz's claims is available if you wish to review it yourself. Or not. I know how some people feel about facts that interfere with their version of history. 9/11 Two years later, why don't we have him? Because bin Laden is either dead or hasn't been captured. Those would be my two guesses. What's yours? John |
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Now that China has such trade deals with Walmart, the largest employer in
America, we ignore their human rights abuses, their records on labour abuses etc? I just wonder..do we have a right or even a way to do anything about China's polocies..really ?Letting the third world destroy their enviorment isn't really helping anyone. I know thereare a lot of Brasilian Forrestry Workers who hate the enviormentalist movement. Again, I wonder..do we have a choice to "let" them do anything? Should we develope alternative energy sources..if and when possible..and make them wait until we get it to a level we consider safe? It would seem many more would suffer and die in the meantime. It seems very confusing to me. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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The Honda Civic Hybrid does not have to be plugged in. True it still uses
some gas but much less than the same car with only a gasoline engine. Yeah, I passed one on the highway yesterday..I thought he was parked!! John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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John LeBlanc wrote:
Meanwhile, I assume you are calling Bill Clinton a liar when, February 15, 2002, in a public speech to the Long Island Association, Clinton admitted he spurned a Sudanese offer to hand over bin Laden. And you also assume the Sudanese could actually deliver Bin Laden. Feel free to make yourself more informed: http://www.nationalreview.com/ijaz/ijaz042903.asp Yeah, there's nothing partisan in the NRO... |
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On Tue, Sep 9, 2003 10:38 am, Chris Hornbeck
wrote: On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 04:57:44 -0500, "John LeBlanc" wrote: Clinton ... was ****ing on the chance to get bin Laden on a silver platter, Other rantage snipped, but this is a piece of history that should not be allowed to be re-written. While Clinton was president, the CIA had predators actively looking for Osama bin Laden, with shoot to kill orders. This quietly ended after the change of administration. 9/11 Two years later, why don't we have him? Chris Hornbeck Because Bechtel is in Bed with the Bin Ladens, check out their website most of it is damage control for their Bin Laden connections. Without Osama The Son of the Snake would have a nil chance of stealing a 2nd term. --------------------------------------------------------- "Our Nations Must Come Together To Unite" - George W Bush - Tampa FL . June 4th -2001 --------------------------------------------------------- |
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Chris Hornbeck wrote:
wrote: Clinton ... was ****ing on the chance to get bin Laden on a silver platter, Other rantage snipped, but this is a piece of history that should not be allowed to be re-written. While Clinton was president, the CIA had predators actively looking for Osama bin Laden, with shoot to kill orders. This quietly ended after the change of administration. 9/11 Two years later, why don't we have him? Because we don't want him; he's too good for business. -- ha |
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"Steve" wrote in message om... "George Gleason" wrote in message First you have to have some "American business" to fix your bridge. Your bridge is NOT a federal issue. It is a County issue. And if you can't find someone to fix your bridge do it yourself. Start a business and contract with your County to fix it. First get a business license, invest in equipment, hire a couple of skilled union workers. Then you're going to have to get workers comp insurance, vehical insurance, and business insurance, rent a building, get a line of credit, and get a telephone. Your bridge repair business insurance is probably never going to be issued because you have no track record or they just might not be writing new policies at this time. Just in case they do offer a policy, the premiums will be so high that you won't get the bid. Then you'll be out of business because you can't afford to work that cheap. Your employees will apply for unemployment insurance (which you pay) and claim stress problems for a workmans comp claim ( they lost their job). Why should I have to pay for a City, County, State, or Federal ineffficiancies? Unproductive workers? Fiscal waste? You pay for it and I pay for it. Your bridge would be fixed if government wasn't so top heavy. This is pure waste and should be cut off. It all starts at the local level. 87 billiion dollars for a war is nothing and all you seem to want is a bridge fixed. The money is in your own back yard. Go find it. The bitch that your bridge can't be fixed is "dubbya's" fault is just plain funny..........you guys are definately in the entertainment business. PS: Buy two or three fire extinguishers and smoke alarms. Put a plan together for your family if there is a fire. (God forbid) Steve ROTFLMAO good line of crap steve george |
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John LeBlanc wrote:
Apparently using your Superman x-ray vision glasses you see right through that conservative ****-the-poor pay-off-our-supporters facade. True conservatives are not the issue here. What we now know as neocons are a different matter entirely. Where were you clear thinkers when Clinton was ****ing this nation in much the same way he was ****ing Ms. Lewinsky? Or does that not count because he was a liberal Democrat? Or it doesn't count because the jobless ratings were low while he was ****ing on the chance to get bin Laden on a silver platter, all the while gutting the military and departments that provide security for this nation so that minor irritations like 9/11 won't happen? That started well before Clinton, and continued well into Bush 43--until 9/11 when the spending on certain line items was catapulted into the stratosphere. Note that soldiers' families are still on AFDC and Medicare while the "head of the household" is on deployment. Please read Robert Baer's excellent "See No Evil" for a CIA ground operative's view of the 1980's and 1990's Middle East terror game. No political agenda (either side) just the cold hard facts as he and his co-workers saw them, and damning to both sides of the aisle. |
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"Artie Turner" wrote in message . .. John LeBlanc wrote: Meanwhile, I assume you are calling Bill Clinton a liar when, February 15, 2002, in a public speech to the Long Island Association, Clinton admitted he spurned a Sudanese offer to hand over bin Laden. And you also assume the Sudanese could actually deliver Bin Laden. And you assume they could not? Feel free to make yourself more informed: http://www.nationalreview.com/ijaz/ijaz042903.asp Yeah, there's nothing partisan in the NRO... Partisanship is part of life. If you think partisanship and honesty are mutually exclusive, I suppose than means you are apolitical and read no newspapers, and watch no news on television. As for the National Review, and this story in particular, Ijaz has made a strong case and Bill Clinton confirmed it. That's the topic. Disagree with any of this? State your case and provide your evidence. John |
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