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DPA 4099G demo on its way and other ramblings
I've got a DPA 4099G demo on its way to me. good timing, I have a gig
next week in a 100 seat theater space with my trio and I was going to shoot video for the internets. so I'll multitrack it too..... the dpa 4099G is a miniature shotgun with a special guitar mount. we'll see how it does. my trio is me on classical guitar, an upright bass and drums. even with my schoeps mk41, I still can't get a decent live recorded sound because of quietudeness (i made that word up) of the guitar. of course i use an amp and pickup but I don't ever ever ever want to record that! I have a set of dpa 4061 miniature omni lavs and in the past I've put one in the guitar. it sounds better than a pickup but doesn't really sound like a guitar- sounds like the inside of the guitar! the 4061 is really great on the upright bass though- it has a little mount for the strings to place it under the bridge near the body, and since it's an omni, there's no proximity effect that close! so I think what I'll do is use the new 4099 on the guitar, the 4061 omni lav on the bass and my schoeps 641's on the drums. I have a true systems 8 channel mic pre so that should be ok. maudio fw crap into my laptop. if only I had decent converters. oh well. I wish i played better too! probably put a pair of josephson series 4 in the back of the room to catch applause and ambiance..... where's the best place to do that in relation to the stage? the room is pretty much a rectangle with 12 foot ceilings, exposed joists. stage is along the long wall. the stage is just a platform made of 2x6 and plywood. probably run a mono mix to the camera for a safety copy this is fun, I hope I do ok! Nate |
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On 2/3/2011 4:19 PM, Nate Najar wrote:
I've got a DPA 4099G demo on its way to me. good timing, I have a gig next week in a 100 seat theater space with my trio and I was going to shoot video for the internets. so I'll multitrack it too.... I was playing around with one at the AES show last year. I don't think I've ever heard a better demonstration of how much a small change in position can affect the sound of a guitar. Hopefully you'll have some time to experiment with it before the upcoming gig and find a position that gets a sound that you like. You'll probably find some positions that you don't like. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and interesting audio stuff |
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On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 16:19:11 -0500, Nate Najar wrote
(in article ): I've got a DPA 4099G demo on its way to me. good timing, I have a gig next week in a 100 seat theater space with my trio and I was going to shoot video for the internets. so I'll multitrack it too..... the dpa 4099G is a miniature shotgun with a special guitar mount. we'll see how it does. my trio is me on classical guitar, an upright bass and drums. even with my schoeps mk41, I still can't get a decent live recorded sound because of quietudeness (i made that word up) of the guitar. of course i use an amp and pickup but I don't ever ever ever want to record that! I have a set of dpa 4061 miniature omni lavs and in the past I've put one in the guitar. it sounds better than a pickup but doesn't really sound like a guitar- sounds like the inside of the guitar! the 4061 is really great on the upright bass though- it has a little mount for the strings to place it under the bridge near the body, and since it's an omni, there's no proximity effect that close! so I think what I'll do is use the new 4099 on the guitar, the 4061 omni lav on the bass and my schoeps 641's on the drums. I have a true systems 8 channel mic pre so that should be ok. maudio fw crap into my laptop. if only I had decent converters. oh well. I wish i played better too! probably put a pair of josephson series 4 in the back of the room to catch applause and ambiance..... where's the best place to do that in relation to the stage? the room is pretty much a rectangle with 12 foot ceilings, exposed joists. stage is along the long wall. the stage is just a platform made of 2x6 and plywood. probably run a mono mix to the camera for a safety copy this is fun, I hope I do ok! Nate Nate, Reviewed it last year. Not a big fan. It's an exposed mic mounted on a relatively quiet instrument. Unless you have lots of other quiet instruments or lots of distance, you'll get leakage. Trio as in guitar bass and drums? Stay away from the drums! I think a better solution is a K&K Pure Western Mini. Regards, Ty Ford --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA |
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DPA 4099G demo on its way and other ramblings
On Feb 3, 5:49*pm, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 2/3/2011 4:19 PM, Nate Najar wrote: I've got a DPA 4099G demo on its way to me. *good timing, I have a gig next week in a 100 seat theater space with my trio and I was going to shoot video for the internets. *so I'll multitrack it too.... I was playing around with one at the AES show last year. I don't think I've ever heard a better demonstration of how much a small change in position can affect the sound of a guitar. Hopefully you'll have some time to experiment with it before the upcoming gig and find a position that gets a sound that you like. You'll probably find some positions that you don't like. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com- useful and interesting audio stuff wow mike you weren't kidding. It arrived this morning. I just spent about 2 hours with headphones on moving the thing around. keep in mind I'm not a steel string strummer, i'm a classical player (with the occasional rasquedo). I found a position that sounded very good and rather even dynamically. on my guitar that's about 2 inches off the fingerboard centered on the 15h fret. a lot of positions sucked. very little change in the direction of the capsule is all that's needed to change it up pretty drastically. the next test will be how it holds up with a rhythm section behind me. of course I don't care about bleed as long it doesn't sound bad and also doesn't overpower or mask the sound of the guitar. we'll see. more to report in the coming week...... N |
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On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 13:54:10 -0500, Nate Najar wrote
(in article ): On Feb 3, 5:49*pm, Mike Rivers wrote: On 2/3/2011 4:19 PM, Nate Najar wrote: I've got a DPA 4099G demo on its way to me. *good timing, I have a gig next week in a 100 seat theater space with my trio and I was going to shoot video for the internets. *so I'll multitrack it too.... I was playing around with one at the AES show last year. I don't think I've ever heard a better demonstration of how much a small change in position can affect the sound of a guitar. Hopefully you'll have some time to experiment with it before the upcoming gig and find a position that gets a sound that you like. You'll probably find some positions that you don't like. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com- useful and interesting audio stuff wow mike you weren't kidding. It arrived this morning. I just spent about 2 hours with headphones on moving the thing around. keep in mind I'm not a steel string strummer, i'm a classical player (with the occasional rasquedo). I found a position that sounded very good and rather even dynamically. on my guitar that's about 2 inches off the fingerboard centered on the 15h fret. a lot of positions sucked. very little change in the direction of the capsule is all that's needed to change it up pretty drastically. the next test will be how it holds up with a rhythm section behind me. of course I don't care about bleed as long it doesn't sound bad and also doesn't overpower or mask the sound of the guitar. we'll see. more to report in the coming week...... N Nate, Another slightly weird thing I recall was that moving the mic closer reduced the LF response. I expected closer to have more LF response. I think I got it best at an inch or so off the face. If you're singing while playing, expect your voice to get into the mic as well, especially if you're looking down at the neck for finger placement. My thought is that it may add a little something to an existing pickup, but I wouldn't want to be out there in a combo with only that on my guitar. Regards, Ty Ford --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA |
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Ty Ford wrote:
Another slightly weird thing I recall was that moving the mic closer reduced the LF response. I expected closer to have more LF response. I think I got it best at an inch or so off the face. That would make sense if the LF was coming out of a different place than the high end. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Feb 8, 11:11*am, Ty Ford wrote:
On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 13:54:10 -0500, Nate Najar wrote (in article ): On Feb 3, 5:49*pm, Mike Rivers wrote: On 2/3/2011 4:19 PM, Nate Najar wrote: I've got a DPA 4099G demo on its way to me. *good timing, I have a gig next week in a 100 seat theater space with my trio and I was going to shoot video for the internets. *so I'll multitrack it too.... I was playing around with one at the AES show last year. I don't think I've ever heard a better demonstration of how much a small change in position can affect the sound of a guitar. Hopefully you'll have some time to experiment with it before the upcoming gig and find a position that gets a sound that you like. You'll probably find some positions that you don't like. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com-useful and interesting audio stuff wow mike you weren't kidding. It arrived this morning. *I just spent about 2 hours with headphones on moving the thing around. *keep in mind I'm not a steel string strummer, i'm a classical player (with the occasional rasquedo). I found a position that sounded very good and rather even dynamically. *on my guitar that's about 2 inches off the fingerboard centered on the 15h fret. *a lot of positions sucked. *very little change in the direction of the capsule is all that's needed to change it up pretty drastically. the next test will be how it holds up with a rhythm section behind me. *of course I don't care about bleed as long it doesn't sound bad and also doesn't overpower or mask the sound of the guitar. *we'll see. *more to report in the coming week...... N Nate, Another slightly weird thing I recall was that moving the mic closer reduced the LF response. I expected closer to have more LF response. I think I got it best at an inch or so off the face. If you're singing while playing, expect your voice to get into the mic as well, especially if you're looking down at the neck for finger placement. My thought is that it may add a little something to an existing pickup, but I wouldn't want to be out there in a combo with only that on my guitar. Regards, Ty Ford --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services Acting and Voiceover Demoshttp://www.tyford.com Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA thanks for the advice. in my room here at the house with headphones on I was surprised at how much of the room I was hearing.... so you're right it's going to get all the other sounds. i'm not using it for SR though, just recording, and I will have a pickup track although i hate to have to use it. my schoeps mk41 doesn't work in this environment- too much bleed very little guitar- but i can get this dpa closer to the guitar than the schoeps. the only thing that has worked pretty well is the little dpa miniature omni stuck in the soundhole..... the problem is that it doesn't sound like a guitar- it sounds like a boxy inside of a guitar. but at least it's woody and warm and not a pickup. I was hoping this 4099 would do better. we'll see tonight! I wish i had just been a piano player. a nylon string guitar doesn't exist in nature in a jazz ensemble- you HAVE to amplify it. so anytime you record studio or live you have to create an artificial reality. I envy tenor players who can just pull out a horn and blow! N |
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On Feb 8, 11:40*am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Ty Ford wrote: Another slightly weird thing I recall was that moving the mic closer reduced the LF response. I expected closer to have more LF response. I think I got it best at an inch or so off the face. That would make sense if the LF was coming out of a different place than the high end. * --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." yeah it's pretty directional- the closer to the fingerboard, the less of the soundhole air is getting to it, so less lowend. N |
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