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audio band splitter to do analog multiband compression
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Is there a hardware device that you can buy that splits the audio band into two or three frequency ranges (kind of like a speaker crossover but in a box)? It seems less expensive to buy some simple compressors and feed split audio bands into them, rather than trying to find a hardware multi- band compressor. |
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genericaudioperson wrote:
Is there a hardware device that you can buy that splits the audio band into two or three frequency ranges (kind of like a speaker crossover but in a box)? Yes, it's called a speaker crossover in a box. Actually, it's usualy called an active or electronic crossover. It seems less expensive to buy some simple compressors and feed split audio bands into them, rather than trying to find a hardware multi- band compressor. In fact, that's exactly what people did (usually using either a crossover or console EQ) when they got the idea that controlling dynamics of different frequency ranges independently. After seeing what engineers were doing with stuff lying around the studio, a couple of clever manufacturers started packaging the crossover and a few compressors in a single box. The t.c. Finalizer was one of the early succeessful products like this. I'll bet they're dirt cheap through eBay these days but I haven't checked. Maybe they're "vintage" already. -- If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) |
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genericaudioperson wrote:
Is there a hardware device that you can buy that splits the audio band into two or three frequency ranges (kind of like a speaker crossover but in a box)? Yes, it's a speaker crossover in a box. It seems less expensive to buy some simple compressors and feed split audio bands into them, rather than trying to find a hardware multi- band compressor. Try a Rane AC-23. Really, you need to get the Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Handbook. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"genericaudioperson" wrote
in message Is there a hardware device that you can buy that splits the audio band into two or three frequency ranges (kind of like a speaker crossover but in a box)? As others have pointed out - an active crossover will do exactly what you want. It seems less expensive to buy some simple compressors and feed split audio bands into them, rather than trying to find a hardware multi- band compressor. That's your market study! ;-) Echo that you try something like a Rane AC 22 or AC 23, or any other 24/dB octave device including the DBX. Hmm, mix in some RNCs? The AC22 is a 2 band stereo box, and the AC23 is 3. The DBX 223 is 2-band stereo. |
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It seems less expensive to buy some simple compressors
and feed splitaudio bands into them, rather than trying to find a hardware multi-band compressor. Try a Rane AC-23. Or a dbx 5BX -- if you can find one. |
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"Arny Krueger" writes:
"genericaudioperson" wrote in message Is there a hardware device that you can buy that splits the audio band into two or three frequency ranges (kind of like a speaker crossover but in a box)? As others have pointed out - an active crossover will do exactly what you want. It seems less expensive to buy some simple compressors and feed split audio bands into them, rather than trying to find a hardware multi- band compressor. I'm missing something here. In this era of digital recording, why are folks mucking about with compressors? I thought the purpose of multi-band compression was to get my dynamic range out of the medium. -- % Randy Yates % "So now it's getting late, %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % and those who hesitate %%% 919-577-9882 % got no one..." %%%% % 'Waterfall', *Face The Music*, ELO http://www.digitalsignallabs.com |
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It seems less expensive to buy some simple compressors and feed split audio bands into them, rather than trying to find a hardware multi- band compressor. I'm missing something here. In this era of digital recording, why are folks mucking about with compressors? I thought the purpose of multi-band compression was to get my dynamic range out of the medium. -- % *Randy Yates * * * * * * * * *% "So now it's getting late, %% Fuquay-Varina, NC * * * * * *% * *and those who hesitate %%% 919-577-9882 * * * * * * * *% * *got no one..." %%%% * * * * * % 'Waterfall', *Face The Music*, ELOhttp://www.digitalsignallabs.com Randy, dynamic range compression is not used just to accomidate the limitations of the hardware..it's also used (and abused) as a desried effect.. you probably would not enjoy listening to full range uncompressed recordings of drums or even vocals.... used properly, it is a good thing.. unfortunatley these days compression is VERY widely abused and overdone to make the recordings "sound louder" Mark |
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Mark writes:
It seems less expensive to buy some simple compressors and feed split audio bands into them, rather than trying to find a hardware multi- band compressor. I'm missing something here. In this era of digital recording, why are folks mucking about with compressors? I thought the purpose of multi-band compression was to get my dynamic range out of the medium. -- % *Randy Yates * * * * * * * * *% "So now it's getting late, %% Fuquay-Varina, NC * * * * * *% * *and those who hesitate %%% 919-577-9882 * * * * * * * *% * *got no one..." %%%% * * * * * % 'Waterfall', *Face The Music*, ELOhttp://www.digitalsignallabs.com Randy, dynamic range compression is not used just to accomidate the limitations of the hardware..it's also used (and abused) as a desried effect.. you probably would not enjoy listening to full range uncompressed recordings of drums or even vocals.... Hi Mark, Actually, I probably would. But then I have Klipschorns at my house, too. used properly, it is a good thing.. Thanks for straightening me out, Mark. unfortunatley these days compression is VERY widely abused and overdone to make the recordings "sound louder" Yes, I know... I guess I just didn't put two and two together to see that a multi-band compressor is going to compress "harder" than a single-band compressor in this application. By the way, I don't purchase new music any more (call me stuck in the past), and this is partly the reason. The newest stuff I own is some old Dream Theater (but even that's "new" to me). -- % Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side %%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall." %%%% % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO http://www.digitalsignallabs.com |
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Randy Yates wrote:
Yes, I know... I guess I just didn't put two and two together to see that a multi-band compressor is going to compress "harder" than a single-band compressor in this application. It might, but it might not. For example, if you apply compression to general program audio, you will often find that with rock music, the kick drum causes the compressor to squash more, so the whole track is modulated by the kick. This is bad, and setting a 2-band compressor up so that the crossover point is slightly above the kick drum will prevent this. The Orban Optimod which was intended for hands-off signal processing for broadcast airchains was one of the first common uses for two-band compression, for this reason. Multiband compression is also used as a tool for shaping sound... you can squish one particular note more than others, which can help deal with some kinds of resonance problems. By the way, I don't purchase new music any more (call me stuck in the past), and this is partly the reason. The newest stuff I own is some old Dream Theater (but even that's "new" to me). That's okay, I'm listening to Telemann right now myself. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
"genericaudioperson" wrote in message Is there a hardware device that you can buy that splits the audio band into two or three frequency ranges (kind of like a speaker crossover but in a box)? As others have pointed out - an active crossover will do exactly what you want. It seems less expensive to buy some simple compressors and feed split audio bands into them, rather than trying to find a hardware multi- band compressor. That's your market study! ;-) Echo that you try something like a Rane AC 22 or AC 23, or any other 24/dB octave device including the DBX. Hmm, mix in some RNCs? The AC22 is a 2 band stereo box, and the AC23 is 3. The DBX 223 is 2-band stereo. There's also the Rane DC-24, a crossover with compression. However, I'm surprised nobody has suggested the Behringer DEQ-2496, a veritable audio Swiss army knife. One channel of the DEQ... replaced all the functionality of my DC-24, and then some. Later... Ron Capik -- |
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It's not for recording,
Mua ha ha ha ha |
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genericaudioperson wrote:
It's not for recording, Mua ha ha ha ha So, as you seem to be asking a lot questions, that are rather "live sound reinforcement" related, why donīt ask them at the live sound newsgroup? Itīs a dedicated group for live-sound stuff. news:alt.audio.pro.live-sound This group here, rec.audio.pro is rather "recording" oriented - with a focus on studio work... No offense, definitely! It might just be, that your questions might accomodate the live-sound NG better. Cheers, Phil |
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"Phil W" wrote in message
genericaudioperson wrote: It's not for recording, Mua ha ha ha ha So, as you seem to be asking a lot questions, that are rather "live sound reinforcement" related, why donīt ask them at the live sound newsgroup? Itīs a dedicated group for live-sound stuff. news:alt.audio.pro.live-sound This group here, rec.audio.pro is rather "recording" oriented - with a focus on studio work... No offense, definitely! It might just be, that your questions might accomodate the live-sound NG better. AAPLS is an ongoing fire-storm. Very few signs of intelligent discussion. If you want better discussion, try PSW http://www.prosoundweb.com/index.php/home/forum_jump/ |
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