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Telamon wrote: SFTV_troy wrote: Phil Kane wrote: Perhaps after he has 40-50 years of experience -- Doubtful. Engineering is boring; you sit in a damn cube all day long, staring at a computer. I've been saving every penny, such that I will be able to retire at 40-45. Or semi-retire (only take jobs I like). Engineering is dull. Well you took a wrong turn didn't you but it's never to late to get into marketing where you can lie your ass off. It's very exciting, just ask Eduardo. I've worked in sales, but I tried to avoid lying. For example when I was in college I worked for Sears. They instructed me to "sell extended warranties" I complied, but I also told the customers that I thought it was un-necessary. Sears didn't like me very much - what with telling the truth. I'd expect an electrical engineer to be more knowledgeable than your posts indicate. If you think one person can possibly know EVERYTHING there is to know about the subject of electronics/electrical devices. For example: - Do you know what VHDL is? - How about a state machine? - Synchronous DDR? - PCI Express? - Flip-flop? - What does GCLK mean in the context of FPGAs? - What are constraints? This is just a small sample of what I know, because this is what I work upon every day..... but I suspect a lot of it you have no clue what it's about. And that's fine. Because I don't expect one person to know everything there is to know about EE. |
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On Oct 1, 3:23 am, Bruce Farley wrote:
I am 59 and am a "service technician" (a fancy name for grease monkey) that works on Honda motorcycles. If you read the thread, you'll see some other very arrogant & very condescending people who think folks like you are inferior. They don't consider what you do to be "real" work. (see below). I am not one of those. I wish I had half the talent you had, when it comes to hands-on work. (I don't even know how to solder a basic connection; I can do it, but it's very sloppy.) On Sep 30, 1:55 pm, (Don Pearce) I'd like to say I'm an engineer, but the word is debased..... The chap who comes to look at my busted washing machine and announce it is beyond repair - he is an engineer too, as is the bloke who sits at a mixing desk with not the slightest clue as to what he is doing, and moves a fader while trying to look cool. I don't feel that inclined to call myself an engineer these days. |
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wrote ...
Bruce Farley wrote: I am 59 and am a "service technician" (a fancy name for grease monkey) that works on Honda motorcycles. If you read the thread, you'll see some other very arrogant & very condescending people who think folks like you are inferior. They don't consider what you do to be "real" work. (see below). I am not one of those. I wish I had half the talent you had, when it comes to hands-on work. (I don't even know how to solder a basic connection; I can do it, but it's very sloppy.) Note that plumbers, motorcycle mechanics, cabinetmakers, etc. are the kinds of jobs that cannot be "outsourced" to foreign shores. Just one of the advantages of doing "real" (physical) work vs. virtual (mental) work. :-) There's likely an instructional video on Youtube on how to solder. OTOH, with the prevalence of SMD, horse-shoeing may be a more practical skill. :-) |
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swm 40....very comfortable.
lol... cant believe half of whats written. alot of yall are too dumb to be who you say. but alot makes since. i learnert along time ago. dont get boged down in tiny details. like some of you. some things just work.. that you wouldnt expect. sometimes ya electrical system puts out more than you thought. sometimes ya speakers handle more than ya thought. n vice-a-versa.lol |
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hey! troy.. back in the 90s. i lost some warrenty paperwork. n you never
sent me another copy....n i forgot about it..when much later i needed it. WHERES MY ''XOXOXOX XXOXOX'' MONEY!'' I'll be looking out for you pal... |
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On Oct 1, 1:46 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
"Steven" wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 1, 12:54 am, Steven wrote: I was born in the summer of my twenty-seventh year, and I left yesterday behind me. Might say you were born again? Dear god, let's not run into any Muppets, K? |
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On Oct 1, 4:24 am, wrote:
Telamon wrote: SFTV_troy wrote: Phil Kane wrote: Perhaps after he has 40-50 years of experience -- Doubtful. Engineering is boring; you sit in a damn cube all day long, staring at a computer. I've been saving every penny, such that I will be able to retire at 40-45. Or semi-retire (only take jobs I like). Engineering is dull. Well you took a wrong turn didn't you but it's never to late to get into marketing where you can lie your ass off. It's very exciting, just ask Eduardo. I've worked in sales, but I tried to avoid lying. For example when I was in college I worked for Sears. They instructed me to "sell extended warranties" I complied, but I also told the customers that I thought it was un-necessary. Sears didn't like me very much - what with telling the truth. I'd expect an electrical engineer to be more knowledgeable than your posts indicate. If you think one person can possibly know EVERYTHING there is to know about the subject of electronics/electrical devices. For example: - Do you know what VHDL is? - How about a state machine? - Synchronous DDR? - PCI Express? - Flip-flop? - What does GCLK mean in the context of FPGAs? - What are constraints? This is just a small sample of what I know, because this is what I work upon every day..... but I suspect a lot of it you have no clue what it's about. And that's fine. Because I don't expect one person to know everything there is to know about EE. I know I just bought me a Pioneer laserdisc player that blows PS fuses, Pioneer DVD/CD 5-disc carousel and Wednesday a Sony CRT projector then a replacement board and maybe the case, $50 and then some and a Sony ST-80F tuner (the stand up kind with a round dial). Do I know if Windows XP is or actually isn't posessed by Linda Blair and Damien Thorne? Beats me, I cannot beat my computer. |
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On Oct 1, 8:44 am, Stratum wrote:
wrote: I'm 35. Engineer. And you? I'm curious about the demographic that occupies these groups. Lurking on-air personalities who want to know what the intelligentsia are saying about them. We are the intelligentsia. We're from outer space and France. We are from France but we left and the details must remain MURKY. |
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On Oct 1, 3:24 am, wrote:
Telamon wrote: SFTV_troy wrote: Phil Kane wrote: Perhaps after he has 40-50 years of experience -- Doubtful. Engineering is boring; you sit in a damn cube all day long, staring at a computer. I've been saving every penny, such that I will be able to retire at 40-45. Or semi-retire (only take jobs I like). Engineering is dull. Well you took a wrong turn didn't you but it's never to late to get into marketing where you can lie your ass off. It's very exciting, just ask Eduardo. I've worked in sales, but I tried to avoid lying. For example when I was in college I worked for Sears. They instructed me to "sell extended warranties" I complied, but I also told the customers that I thought it was un-necessary. Sears didn't like me very much - what with telling the truth. I'd expect an electrical engineer to be more knowledgeable than your posts indicate. If you think one person can possibly know EVERYTHING there is to know about the subject of electronics/electrical devices. For example: - Do you know what VHDL is? - How about a state machine? - Synchronous DDR? - PCI Express? - Flip-flop? - What does GCLK mean in the context of FPGAs? - What are constraints? This is just a small sample of what I know, because this is what I work upon every day..... but I suspect a lot of it you have no clue what it's about. And that's fine. Because I don't expect one person to know everything there is to know about EE. SFTV, None of which is required for the RRS Newsgroup. Just turn on an AM/MW Radio or a Shortwave Radio and Listen to it. Buy a AM & FM Shortwave Radio - Listen To It ! Buy / Build a Shortwave Antenna and/or AM/MW Loop Antenna and Use It ! Become and "Avid" AM/MW and Shortwave Radio Listener (SWL) ! -Or- Become an Amateur {Ham} Radio Operator. The name of the Newsgroup is : Rec.Radio.Shortwave It's about the Hobby of Shortwave Radio Listening (SWL) and Broadcast Radio Listening (BCL) both of which are Free and Over-the-Air. -IF- You are 'interested' in Internet Radio WiFi Radio etc There is the : Alt.Internet.Radio Newsgroup. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.internet.radio/ Also there are Newsgroups Focused on IBOC "HD" AM/FM Radio http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...b362877f49b42a hope this helps ~ RHF |
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"SFTV_troy" wrote in message oups.com... John Slade wrote: And I agree, that's why I have a nonsense answer. Age has nothing to do with it. I've met young folk who act really mature and older people who act like little kids. I'm seeing a lot of those "older people acting like kids" right here on this group (insulting one another). You know what? I made that same observation years ago... John |
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On Oct 1, 8:47 am, (G) wrote:
On these newsgroups, I get the impression the young people do not use, or do not like to use USENET. Perhaps they are somewhere else. It was not like this10 to 15 years ago. And, there is a lot of frustrated old people around here. 10 to 15 years ago there weren't Web-based forums. In fact, 15 years ago there wasn't a Web as we know it. Google Groups may have been the salvation of Usenet. Actually, someone operating a for-profit news server could build some market share by touting the uncensored nature of Usenet. They could sell access and news clients for those people who don't have them. |
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There are free NNTP servers as well as fee based NNTP servers
this is yet one more more no nothing post for a no nothing jerk what the F'K does this have to do with *.audio.* ??? get lost lamer arthur On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 15:17:01 -0700, David Kaye wrote: Actually, someone operating a for-profit news server could build some market share by touting the uncensored nature of Usenet. They could sell access and news clients for those people who don't have them. |
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On Oct 1, 4:03 pm, Phil Kane wrote:
I never did answer the title question - I'm 71 and the VP - General Counsel and Engineering Manager of a major communications consulting engineering firm in California. And you also managed to scarf up just about every top-notch disillusioned engineer in the Bay Area to help! |
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On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:07:09 -0700, David Kaye
wrote: On Oct 1, 4:03 pm, Phil Kane wrote: I never did answer the title question - I'm 71 and the VP - General Counsel and Engineering Manager of a major communications consulting engineering firm in California. And you also managed to scarf up just about every top-notch disillusioned engineer in the Bay Area to help! Are you looking for a job, David? ggg PS - we don't do Broadcast work. We send that to one of our joint venture partners in the Pacific Northwest. They send their land mobile and microwave work to us. -- Phil Kane Beaverton, OR |
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"David Kaye" wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 1, 8:47 am, (G) wrote: On these newsgroups, I get the impression the young people do not use, or do not like to use USENET. Perhaps they are somewhere else. It was not like this10 to 15 years ago. And, there is a lot of frustrated old people around here. 10 to 15 years ago there weren't Web-based forums. In fact, 15 years ago there wasn't a Web as we know it. Google Groups may have been the salvation of Usenet. Sure there were. I was using web based forums at least as far back as 1983, with my Commodore 64 and a 300 baud acoustic modem (even the crude graphics of the era took forever to load. The bad old days of CompuSlave et al when net time was charged by the minute (about two dollars IIRC). Even then, the forums were very popular, taking over the job that was mostly done by BBS's. |
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On Oct 1, 4:50 pm, Phil Kane wrote:
Are you looking for a job, David? Well, it would feel like going home. I've always admired Tim Pozar's work. David Doon busted the pirate station I was involved with, and you've been a presence for quite a number of years here. PS - we don't do Broadcast work. We send that to one of our joint venture partners in the Pacific Northwest. They send their land mobile and microwave work to us. Yeah, I notice that you do a lot of local government work. Well heck, there's a lot to be said for local govt. For one, compared with broadcasters their checks are less likely to bounce.... |
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Brenda Ann wrote: "David Kaye" wrote in message 10 to 15 years ago there weren't Web-based forums..... Sure there were. I was using web based forums at least as far back as 1983, with my Commodore 64 and a 300 baud acoustic modem Sorry hun, but that's NOT the world wide web (which is based-upon multiple servers & using Hypertext Markup Language & active point-n- click links). What we used on the old commodore 64 was a SINGLE server called a BBS, and it didn't use hypertext, or a mouse.. It was just plain-jane text. (Yes even on the C64, it was text.... but it was drawn to look like pictures.) That's what Usenet is - all text It's like visiting an old BBS. The world wide web was not invented until circa 1993, and did not "boom" until around 1995 (with Windows and Mac-based Mosaic & Netscape). And thus was born web-based forums which slowly but surely drew people away from the "boring" Usenet. (even the crude graphics of the era took forever to load) Yeah. There's a huge difference between 56k and 0.3k. It used to take me an hour to download a 170 kilobyte floppy. Now I do it in about 5 seconds. |
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On Oct 1, 11:18 am, (G) wrote:
On these newsgroups, I get the impression the young people do not use, or do not like to use USENET. Perhaps they are somewhere else. It was not like this10 to 15 years ago. And, there is a lot of frustrated old people around here. I suspect if you took this poll in a "hip" group like rec.arts.tv or alt.tv.smallville, you'd find a lot of young people. It would still skew older, but there'd also be lots of teens and 20-somethings in the mix. |
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Phil Kane wrote: On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 03:24:02 -0700, wrote: - Do you know what VHDL is? - How about a state machine? - Synchronous DDR? - PCI Express? - Flip-flop? - What does GCLK mean in the context of FPGAs? - What are constraints? That's not electrical engineering, that's computer science. And thus you make yourself sound like an idiot. Hardware design is *not* computer science (aka programming). ------ Besides my title is "Electrical Engineer". Always has been, no matter where I worked. This is just a small sample of what I know, because this is what I work upon every day..... but I suspect a lot of it you have no clue what it's about. And that's fine. Because I don't expect one person to know everything there is to know about EE. Not to denigrate Penn State, but graduates of the major EE (as differentiated from CS) schools are expected to be fluent in most if not all areas of ELECTRICAL engineering. ... That sounds like a denigration of Penn State. They did teach me all the basics, but not the advanced stuff (like synchronous AM reception - whatever that is). To expect me to know that is unrealistic. And not fair to the profs at Penn State. Every engineer has his or her own specialty. I'm registered as a PE (Electrical) in four states... I am also licensed to practice law in all California and Federal courts Wow. I'm impressed. I passed the E.I.T. exam back in 1998, but never bothered to register P.E. because I don't see any value in it. I'm still getting paid $55 an hour, and having a P.E. after my name is not going to drive that Rate any higher. Same with a Masters Degree. If I thought there was value in having those, then I would go ahead and acquire them, but so far they've been not necessary. So how do you like law? I was thinking about going back to earn a law degree (since I'm bored with engineering). |
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On Oct 2, 12:10 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
Sure there were. I was using web based forums at least as far back as 1983, with my Commodore 64 and a 300 baud acoustic modem [....] No, you're wrong. There was no Web in 1983. Usenet existed in 1983, but the Web was not invented until 1990, and it was not practical until Mosaic in 1992. I called attention specifically to the Web because the growth of Web-based forums is the reason Usenet has fallen into disuse. |
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Phil Kane wrote: On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 03:24:02 -0700, wrote: I've worked in sales, but I tried to avoid lying. For example when I was in college I worked for Sears. They instructed me to "sell extended warranties" I complied, but I also told the customers that I thought it was un-necessary. Recently I had an expensive Nikon camera damaged by being knocked off a table to a concrete floor. Had I not had an extended warranty policy (read: insurance) the repairs would have cost me almost half of what the camera cost, because they had to send to Japan for major repair parts to rebuild it. .......... Well there are exceptions to every rule, and your hyper-expensive camera is that exception. But in the case of a GE Refrigerator or a Sony stereo, an extended warranty would be a waste. These items are so cheap & readily available that, should they fail, you can easily take the ~$100 from the "extended warranty" (which I the salesman told you not to buy), and use it as downpayment to buy a new fridge or stereo. The thing is: Most appliances DON'T fail. They follow a mortality curve: - HIGH - birth mortality (as a result of manufacturing flaws) - covered for FREE by the manufacturer - LOW - middle-of-life - virtually no failures. - HIGH - geriatric mortality - around 15-20 years - the parts are old & die - which is NOT covered by extended warranties, because these are only 5-7 years in length. The reason why Sears pushes salespeople to sell "extended warranties" is because that's where the money's at. 99% of customers have no problem whatsoever (or if they do, it's covered by the manufacturer's FREE warranty, not sears), and thus Sears gets to pocket the money as almost-100% profit. ----- Want to get rich? Sell insurance on brand-new products, and make sure it expires at around 5 years, that way you won't have to pay out, other than a few dollars here & there. I bought an extended warranty for my Dodge Avenger. You know how many times I used it? - zero - and when the Avenger eventually started failing (10 years), the warranty was expired. - and thus I wasted $700 for nothing. I'll never do that again. Similarly, I had a hard disk die a few days after the extended warranty period expired, and CompUSA was good enough to "stretch" the expiration date and give me a new one at no cost. Yeah. But. You probably could have bought a brand-new hard drive, same size, for the same amount of $$$ or just slightly more expensive, as the extended warranty cost. I just bought a 300 gig drive for only $70. They are dirt cheap Cheaper than buying the crummy service plan. I believe in extended warranties. I don't. Everything I buy seems to last forever. If I bought "extended warranties" I would just be wasting my money (see the Avenger example), since I would never use them. |
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Telamon wrote: wrote: I've worked in sales, but I tried to avoid lying. That's an impossibility. James Cash Penney would disagree with you. (He was an extremely religious and honest man - he even refused to accept credit cards, on the grounds that he thought it wrong to drive people into debt. He would rather lose a sale than do that.) For example when I was in college I worked for Sears. They instructed me to "sell extended warranties" I complied, but I also told the customers that I thought it was un-necessary. Sears didn't like me very much - what with telling the truth. That would be an expected result. Uh huh. Good thing I became an engineer - I wouldn't be able to work for long lying to Sears' customers. I'd expect an electrical engineer to be more knowledgeable than your posts indicate. If you think one person can possibly know EVERYTHING there is to know about the subject of electronics/electrical devices. Not really. Just what you promote. Just because we don't share the same opinion, does not mean one of us is idiotic. That premise is false Telemon. It could be that we are both 100% correct (with respect to targeting different interest groups). You are correct that AM is better for long-distance listening for old people. And I am correct that young people want many, many more stations on the dial (they like variety). We are both correct. .. |
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"David Kaye" wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 2, 12:10 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote: Sure there were. I was using web based forums at least as far back as 1983, with my Commodore 64 and a 300 baud acoustic modem [....] No, you're wrong. There was no Web in 1983. Usenet existed in 1983, but the Web was not invented until 1990, and it was not practical until Mosaic in 1992. I called attention specifically to the Web because the growth of Web-based forums is the reason Usenet has fallen into disuse. Not this time cowboy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet " The first TCP/IP-wide area network was made operational by January 1, 1983 when all hosts on the ARPANET were switched over from the older NCP protocols to TCP/IP. In 1985, the United States' National Science Foundation (NSF) commissioned the construction of a university 56 kilobit/second network backbone using computers called "fuzzballs" by their inventor, David Mills. The following year, NSF sponsored the development of a higher speed 1.5 megabit/second backbone that become the NSFNet. A key decision to use the DARPA TCP/IP protocols was made by Dennis Jennings, then in charge of the Supercomputer program at NSF." |
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Brenda Ann wrote: "David Kaye" wrote in message oups.com... On Oct 2, 12:10 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote: Sure there were. I was using web based forums at least as far back as 1983, with my Commodore 64 and a 300 baud acoustic modem [....] No, you're wrong. There was no Web in 1983. Usenet existed in 1983, but the Web was not invented until 1990, and it was not practical until Mosaic in 1992. I called attention specifically to the Web because the growth of Web-based forums is the reason Usenet has fallen into disuse. Not this time cowboy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet "first TCP/IP-wide area network was made operational by January 1983" Bzzz. We're not discussing the internet (which has been around a long, long time). We're discussing the World Wide Web, which sits inside browsers called Mosaic, Netscape, Explorer, Firefox, Safari, et al..... and uses hyperlinks to jump from one server to another server. THAT was not invented until circa 1992, and did not "boom" until around 1995 when Mosaic/Netscape hit Windows and Macintosh machines, and lots of users started experimenting with it for the first time. The WWW did not exist in the 1980s. We've told you this several times. Please try to listen. If you still are not convinced, try to imagine stepping into a time machine, and carrying your modern-day PC back to 1990, and signing-up with an Internet Provider. Would your web browser work? No. It absolutely would not work, because web-servers did not exist back then. The WWW had not been invented yet. |
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SFTV_troy wrote:
Phil Kane wrote: That's not electrical engineering, that's computer science. And thus you make yourself sound like an idiot. (rolls eyes) Oh, THIS should be good... |
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"Brenda Ann" wrote:
Not this time cowboy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet " The first TCP/IP-wide area network was made operational by January 1, 1983 when all hosts on the ARPANET were switched over from the older NCP protocols to TCP/IP. In 1985, the United States' National Science Foundation (NSF) commissioned the construction of a university 56 kilobit/second network backbone using computers called "fuzzballs" by their inventor, David Mills. The following year, NSF sponsored the development of a higher speed 1.5 megabit/second backbone that become the NSFNet. A key decision to use the DARPA TCP/IP protocols was made by Dennis Jennings, then in charge of the Supercomputer program at NSF." That's TCP/IP. Hate to side with these guys, but they're right this time. The World Wide Web and HTTP were invented in 1990 by Tim Berners-Lee. -- Eric F. Richards, "It's the Din of iBiquity." -- Frank Dresser |
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"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
"David Kaye" wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 1, 8:47 am, (G) wrote: On these newsgroups, I get the impression the young people do not use, or do not like to use USENET. Perhaps they are somewhere else. It was not like this10 to 15 years ago. And, there is a lot of frustrated old people around here. 10 to 15 years ago there weren't Web-based forums. In fact, 15 years ago there wasn't a Web as we know it. Google Groups may have been the salvation of Usenet. Sure there were. I was using web based forums at least as far back as 1983, with my Commodore 64 and a 300 baud acoustic modem (even the crude graphics of the era took forever to load. Usenet? There were other networks of BBSs in those days. There was no pracical, widely usable web in the 1980s. This is typical of histories of the web: http://www.w3.org/History.html From it, the web seems to date back to the early 1990s, maybe 1992 or 1993. The bad old days of CompuSlave et al when net time was charged by the minute (about two dollars IIRC). Been there, done that. Even then, the forums were very popular, taking over the job that was mostly done by BBS's. The trouble with local BBSs was the lack of traffic. There were national and regional BBSs like ExecPC that addressed that problem. |
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"David Kaye" wrote in message
oups.com On Oct 2, 12:10 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote: Sure there were. I was using web based forums at least as far back as 1983, with my Commodore 64 and a 300 baud acoustic modem [....] No, you're wrong. There was no Web in 1983. Usenet existed in 1983, but the Web was not invented until 1990, and it was not practical until Mosaic in 1992. I called attention specifically to the Web because the growth of Web-based forums is the reason Usenet has fallen into disuse. Agreed. |
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"Eric F. Richards" wrote in message
"Brenda Ann" wrote: Not this time cowboy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet " The first TCP/IP-wide area network was made operational by January 1, 1983 when all hosts on the ARPANET were switched over from the older NCP protocols to TCP/IP. In 1985, the United States' National Science Foundation (NSF) commissioned the construction of a university 56 kilobit/second network backbone using computers called "fuzzballs" by their inventor, David Mills. The following year, NSF sponsored the development of a higher speed 1.5 megabit/second backbone that become the NSFNet. A key decision to use the DARPA TCP/IP protocols was made by Dennis Jennings, then in charge of the Supercomputer program at NSF." That's TCP/IP. Hate to side with these guys, but they're right this time. The World Wide Web and HTTP were invented in 1990 by Tim Berners-Lee. Agreed. |
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On Oct 2, 10:07 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"David Kaye" wrote in message oups.com On Oct 2, 12:10 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote: Sure there were. I was using web based forums at least as far back as 1983, with my Commodore 64 and a 300 baud acoustic modem [....] No, you're wrong. There was no Web in 1983. Usenet existed in 1983, but the Web was not invented until 1990, and it was not practical until Mosaic in 1992. I called attention specifically to the Web because the growth of Web-based forums is the reason Usenet has fallen into disuse. Agreed. Wait a minute...Arpanet was around and operational long before 1990. |
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Roadie wrote: On Oct 2, 10:07 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote: "David Kaye" wrote in message oups.com On Oct 2, 12:10 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote: Sure there were. I was using web based forums at least as far back as 1983, with my Commodore 64 and a 300 baud acoustic modem [....] No, you're wrong. There was no Web in 1983. Usenet existed in 1983, but the Web was not invented until 1990, and it was not practical until Mosaic in 1992. I called attention specifically to the Web because the growth of Web-based forums is the reason Usenet has fallen into disuse. Agreed. Wait a minute...Arpanet was around and operational long before 1990. We're not discussing ARPAnet. We're discussing the WWW. What you are doing is equivalent to saying "Ipods existed in the 80s!" just because some MP2s existed back then. |
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On Oct 2, 4:16 am, "Brenda Ann" wrote:
Not this time cowboy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet The Internet is not the Web. I haven't said word one about the Internet. Go back and look. I am talking *solely* about the Web. The Web didn't exist until 1992. This is an important difference because Usenet predates the Web, which was my whole point all along. Actually, Usenet slightly predates the Internet as we know it. |
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On Sep 30, 2:42 pm, wrote:
I'm 35. Engineer. And you? I'm curious about the demographic that occupies these groups. 0 and 100 I'm a Personal Consumer Consumption Facilitator |
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On Sep 30, 2:42 pm, wrote:
I'm 35. Engineer. And you? I'm curious about the demographic that occupies these groups. Old enough. I'm a Personal Consumer Consumption Facilitator |