(Ben Bradley) wrote in
:

This reminds me of the tree-falling-in-the-forest question: Is
there a species out in space that's long-lived enough and with hearing
that goes low enough to hear this 'tone'?

In order to hear (as opposed to feel) a very low note, you'd need an ear
drum near the same order of magnitude. For a wave period of a billion
years, you'd need an ear somewhere around 100 million light years across.

In article ,
Carey Carlan wrote:

In order to hear (as opposed to feel) a very low note, you'd need an ear
drum near the same order of magnitude. For a wave period of a billion
years, you'd need an ear somewhere around 100 million light years across.

"I'm all ears."

CT

LeBaron & Alrich wrote:

What if the universe is a life form?

It's getting a bit old now - probably losing the high and low registers.

Everyone is forgetting. There is no sound in space. Even one with a wave
of 30,000 light years. Or is Star Wars right and 2001 wrong?

--


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"Ben Bradley" wrote in message
...
In rec.audio.pro, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

...

So, we are talking 0.0000000000000192 Hz here. Or something with a
period
of 986 million years. (I love my HP34C calculator.) That is a very low
note.

Well if black holes where matter ends is a Bb, may where matter
enters the
Universe produces an F note. Five - One resolution and such.

According to NPR, this is a genuine pressure wave, like actual audio.
Given
how sparse the molecules are in interstellar space (which is almost a
perfect
vacuum), I can understand how the rate of propagation would be really
really
low.

I heard the NPR story, I thought the single note being played was
very instructive.
This reminds me of the tree-falling-in-the-forest question: Is
there a species out in space that's long-lived enough and with hearing
that goes low enough to hear this 'tone'?

--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

The Galaxy Audio Supratympanic LDC with Nebulized diaphragm. But they are
expensive. It takes about 4 Billion years to manufacture one.

--


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"Willie K.Yee, M.D." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:31:30 -0500, Harvey Gerst
wrote:

It's precisely because light waves can't escape, black holes are forced
to hum;
without light, they can't see the lyrics.

What's the best mic for recording a black hole in space?

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Sucking and humming? Just what the hell IS that black hole doing?

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"John L Rice" wrote in message
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"tim perry" wrote in message
et...

"LeBaron & Alrich" wrote in message
.. .
Willie K.Yee, M.D. wrote:

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:31:30 -0500, Harvey Gerst
wrote:

It's precisely because light waves can't escape, black holes are
forced
to hum; without light, they can't see the lyrics.

What's the best mic for recording a black hole in space?

Easy, one that works to pick up action in gas down to
point-fuggedaboutit hertz. No biggie. I think Gerst & Dorsey might
could
do it.

--
ha

id try a contact mic... but you would have to glue it to the exterior of
the
black hole


Don't forget to invert the phase to counteract all that sucking going on .
..
.

John L Rice

I'll bet it has something to do with the Taos Hum.

--


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"Bob Cain" wrote in message
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area242 wrote:

"Bob Cain" wrote in message

I'll bet it is just density striations that are propegating
inertially away from whatever gave them that inertia rather
than true acoustic waves. They could possibly be a frozen
sound field from a time when the medium was dense enough to
support sound but intuition tells me that such a wave would
have damped out first rather than being frozen.

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking. LOL...

Hey, this is some serious ****, dude. ;-)


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

Not only do elephants hear down there, the generate communications down
there, which is probably why they can hear it.

--


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"Buster Mudd" wrote in message
om...
Charles Thomas wrote in
message ...
I'm confused.

How "low" can you really get? I mean... 1 hz is just a pulse every
second. It's not really a "tone".

You perceive it as a pulse because human hearing apparatus can't
resolve a 1Hz tone. Theoretically another lifeform could. (In fact,
don't elephants hear down into the sub-single digit frequencies?)


Isn't everything below about 20 hz just a bunch of pulses in decreasing
frequency? It's not going to be heard as a "note" of any kind is it?


Not by humans, no. But we can extrapolate the note if we agree that
any periodic vibrations in an elastic medium can be called "sound". My
problem with the article is with the notion that regularly recurring
EM pulses are the same thing as periodic vibrations...

and even if we can agree that "star plasma" (or whatever the goo
that's getting compressed & rarefacted by these EM pulses is called)
constitutes an elastic medium, there's no continuous elastic medium
between this black hole and our solar system, so it's kind of a If A
Tree Falls In The Forest thought experiment at best. The "note", even
if our hearing apparatus could resolve a frequency that low, is a
localized phenomenon. It's not being broadcast towards Earth, it's
confined to that (very) distant neighborhood.

Nice sentiment, though.

Scott Dorsey wrote:

Roger W. Norman wrote:

Everyone is forgetting. There is no sound in space. Even one with a wave
of 30,000 light years. Or is Star Wars right and 2001 wrong?

If it were a perfect vacuum, there would be no sound.

But, if there's a tiny little bit of gas in there, it can carry a pressure
wave. But since it's hardly any material, it would have to be a very, very
low frequency pressure wave.

So, the prefection of the instrument issuing that note into the perfect
medium for its essential B-flat bigness proves the existence of god,
right?

--
ha

Roger W. Norman wrote:

Sucking and humming? Just what the hell IS that black hole doing?

Practicing some Sonny Terry.

Next: Mose Allison

Eventually: Glenn Gould

It don't mess with small stuff.

--
ha

I'm not sure but I need to get a hold of it right away, I have a 'job' it
would be perfect at.

John L Rice


"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message
...
Sucking and humming? Just what the hell IS that black hole doing?

--


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SirMusic Studio
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"John L Rice" wrote in message
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"tim perry" wrote in message
et...

"LeBaron & Alrich" wrote in message
.. .
Willie K.Yee, M.D. wrote:

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:31:30 -0500, Harvey Gerst
wrote:

It's precisely because light waves can't escape, black holes are
forced
to hum; without light, they can't see the lyrics.

What's the best mic for recording a black hole in space?

Easy, one that works to pick up action in gas down to
point-fuggedaboutit hertz. No biggie. I think Gerst & Dorsey might
could
do it.

--
ha

id try a contact mic... but you would have to glue it to the exterior
of
the
black hole


Don't forget to invert the phase to counteract all that sucking going on
..
.
.

John L Rice

Buster Mudd wrote:

and even if we can agree that "star plasma" (or whatever the goo
that's getting compressed & rarefacted by these EM pulses is called)
constitutes an elastic medium, there's no continuous elastic medium
between this black hole and our solar system, so it's kind of a If A
Tree Falls In The Forest thought experiment at best. The "note", even
if our hearing apparatus could resolve a frequency that low, is a
localized phenomenon. It's not being broadcast towards Earth, it's
confined to that (very) distant neighborhood.


If this were the case, then we wouldn't even know about it. The fact
that somebody here on (or near) Earth measured this phenomenon
necessarily implies that it is in fact being carried across the
near-void of space to our celestial doorstep.

ulysses

tim perry wrote:

they must be stoned if they hum because they forget the words to louie
louie.

How can anybody "forget" the words to Louie Louie, when nobody actually
knows what the words are?

ulysses

they must be stoned if they hum because they forget the words to louie
louie.

How can anybody "forget" the words to Louie Louie, when nobody actually
knows what the words are?

Louie Louie, me gotta go. Louie Louie, me gotta go.
A fine little girl, she wait for me. Me catch the ship across the sea. I sailed
the ship all alone. I never think I'll make it home.
Louie Louie, me gotta go.
Three nights and days we sailed the sea. Me think of girl constantly. On the
ship, I dream she there. I smell the rose in her hair.
Louie Louie, me gotta go.
Me see Jamaican moon above. It won't be long me see me love. Me take her in my
arms and then I tell her I never leave again.
Louie Louie, me gotta go.
(By Richard Berry. Copyright 1957-1963 by Limax Music Inc.)

"LeBaron & Alrich" wrote in message
.. .

So, the prefection of the instrument issuing that note into the perfect
medium for its essential B-flat bigness proves the existence of god,
right?

Actually, what it shows is that there may in fact be other tones coming
from the black hole, but the medium is incapable of transmitting them.

ryanm

"ryanm" wrote in message
...
"LeBaron & Alrich" wrote in message
.. .

So, the prefection of the instrument issuing that note into the perfect
medium for its essential B-flat bigness proves the existence of god,
right?

Actually, what it shows is that there may in fact be other tones
coming
from the black hole, but the medium is incapable of transmitting them.

ryanm


Due to the extreme Doppler effect and relative time distortions, the sound
coming out of the black hole is probably just the tail end of the screams of
space faring aliens as they as sucked in.

"Holy fffFFFUUUU U U U U U U U
U U U


John L Rice

"Bob Smith" wrote in message
...
Rob Adelman wrote:


http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/09/10/blackhole.music.reut/index.html

WASHINGTON, Sept 9 (Reuters) -- Big black holes sing bass. One
particularly monstrous black hole has probably been humming B flat for
billions of years, but at a pitch no human could hear, let alone sing,
astronomers said this week.

Great. More research will probably reveal they hum Louie, Louie, just
down 57 octaves.

Bob Smith
BS Studios
we organize chaos
http://www.bsstudios.com

Would an SM57 be the correct mic to record this with then? Or would you need
a mic that had an omni(potent) pattern?

John L Rice

Or how about this theme song?

Who's the hole that won't cop out-when there's danger all about?

Shaft!

Can you dig it? g

Chris

"squeeziechum" wrote:

I have a VLF (Very Low Frequency) receiver that converts EM radiation in the
range of ~ 20 kHz and under into acoustic energy so a human can hear it.
Out in the wopwop, far enough from electrical power lines, you can listen to
the sounds of earth's atmosphere. It's mostly from distant lightning
strikes and sounds like sizzling bacon. Consider the possibility that some
creature, somewhere, might have an organ or two that could do what my VLF
receiver+amp+ears do; that is, "hear" the EM radiation.

I remember seeing a science programme where they claimed that sharks
could 'see' EM radiation, though it didn't discuss the frequencies
involved. Apparently, when a ship goes down, the sharks go after
anything with an EM field... Don't know much more about it than that
(and even that may be a misunderstanding) but I've always thought that
it was an interesting phenomenon. WHat else do various other species
detect that we don't? Shouldn't we by trying to establish
communication with whales, for example? Maybe they can tell us what
the big black hole is singing....

JC

tttttttttttttt (Willie K.Yee, M.D.) wrote in message ...
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:31:30 -0500, Harvey Gerst
wrote:

It's precisely because light waves can't escape, black holes are forced to hum;
without light, they can't see the lyrics.

What's the best mic for recording a black hole in space?

i think the real question here is:

what's the best mic for recording a black hole in space for under $200?

"John Cafarella" wrote in message ...
"Willie K.Yee, M.D." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:31:30 -0500, Harvey Gerst
wrote:

It's precisely because light waves can't escape, black holes are forced
to hum;
without light, they can't see the lyrics.

What's the best mic for recording a black hole in space?

Willie K. Yee, M.D. http://www.bestweb.net/~wkyee

I reckon a VACUUM tube mic might do the job...

well, yeah...and being that the source material is billions of years
old, you'd definitely want to impart some of that "Vintage Tube
Sound"™

"squeeziechum" wrote in message . ..
"Buster Mudd" wrote in message
om...
snip
Not by humans, no. But we can extrapolate the note if we agree that
any periodic vibrations in an elastic medium can be called "sound". My
problem with the article is with the notion that regularly recurring
EM pulses are the same thing as periodic vibrations...

I have a VLF (Very Low Frequency) receiver that converts EM radiation in the
range of ~ 20 kHz and under into acoustic energy so a human can hear it.
Out in the wopwop, far enough from electrical power lines, you can listen to
the sounds of earth's atmosphere. It's mostly from distant lightning
strikes and sounds like sizzling bacon. Consider the possibility that some
creature, somewhere, might have an organ or two that could do what my VLF
receiver+amp+ears do; that is, "hear" the EM radiation.

Bleeps,
Phil / Houston


of course, those organs better be built to last over 900billion years
if they want to hear one cycle of htis "tone"

incidentally, i've heard some posted recordings of EM Radiation
through some links from a "lowercase sound/field recording" mailing
list i'm on. very interesting. it certainly isn't what i'd call
driving music or anything, but it is quite fascinating to hear.

(LeBaron & Alrich) wrote in message . ..
Bob Smith wrote:

Great. More research will probably reveal they hum Louie, Louie, just
down 57 octaves.

So you'll only need one mic!

and an FBI inquiry into the subversive and possibly un-american nature
of intergalactic rock and/or roll music.

For more info. check out today's "Astronomy Picture of the Day".

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

Of course, the picture will change tomorrow, but it will still be in the
archives.

Bill Balmer

We might be able to hear the 144,115,188,075,855,872th overtone.

Bob Ross wrote:

Buster Mudd wrote:


Well, if it just "pulses" once every billion years that not might fit
the description, but if it oscillates with a period of 1,000,000,000
years that _would_ count


What if it's putting out a billion-year pulse wave with a 1% duty cycle?

/Bob Ross

ItsTooLoud wrote:

they must be stoned if they hum because they forget the words to louie
louie.

How can anybody "forget" the words to Louie Louie, when nobody actually
knows what the words are?

Louie Louie, me gotta go. Louie Louie, me gotta go.
A fine little girl, she wait for me. Me catch the ship across the sea. I
sailed
the ship all alone. I never think I'll make it home.
Louie Louie, me gotta go.
Three nights and days we sailed the sea. Me think of girl constantly. On the
ship, I dream she there. I smell the rose in her hair.
Louie Louie, me gotta go.
Me see Jamaican moon above. It won't be long me see me love. Me take her in my
arms and then I tell her I never leave again.
Louie Louie, me gotta go.
(By Richard Berry. Copyright 1957-1963 by Limax Music Inc.)


No, that's not it. Have you heard the song?


ulysses

(Ben Bradley) wrote in
:

This reminds me of the tree-falling-in-the-forest question: Is
there a species out in space that's long-lived enough and with hearing
that goes low enough to hear this 'tone'?

In order to hear (as opposed to feel) a very low note, you'd need an ear

drum near the same order of magnitude. For a wave period of a billion
years, you'd need an ear somewhere around 100 million light years across.


Why do you think this? Some of the microphones that I have that will reproduce
a 20 Hz (or lower) are less than 0.1 inch diameter. 20 Hz has a wavelength of
55.2 feet.


Richard H. Kuschel
"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty

Steve O'Neill wrote:
Ben Bradley wrote:
This reminds me of the tree-falling-in-the-forest question: Is
there a species out in space that's long-lived enough and with hearing
that goes low enough to hear this 'tone'?

What if it's a mating call, and there's another one out there?

Then somebody gets Banged, and it could be a Big one.
--


Willie K. Yee, M.D. http://www.bestweb.net/~wkyee
Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http://www.pkc.com
Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http://www.bigbluebigband.org

"Steve O'Neill" wrote in message
...
Ben Bradley wrote:
This reminds me of the tree-falling-in-the-forest question: Is
there a species out in space that's long-lived enough and with hearing
that goes low enough to hear this 'tone'?

What if it's a mating call, and there's another one out there?


Actually I have a brown hole that can emit frequencies on that note, but
maybe a few octaves higher. Quite a hum .


geoff

If each black hole produces different notes, is the the basis for a celestial
choir?
Richard H. Kuschel
"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty

Rob Adelman wrote in message ...


WASHINGTON, Sept 9 (Reuters) -- Big black holes sing bass. One
particularly monstrous black hole has probably been humming B flat for
billions of years, but at a pitch no human could hear, let alone sing,
astronomers said this week.


In space...noone can hear you hum....

On 13 Sep 2003 09:11:41 -0700, (Doc) wrote:

Rob Adelman wrote in message ...


WASHINGTON, Sept 9 (Reuters) -- Big black holes sing bass. One
particularly monstrous black hole has probably been humming B flat for
billions of years, but at a pitch no human could hear, let alone sing,
astronomers said this week.


In space...noone can hear you hum....


Maybe a Humvee drove too close to the black hole, making it really B
flat.

Randall

No, that's not it. Have you heard the song?


ulysses

http://www.louielouie.net/
http://www.louielouie.net/01-welcome.htm

LOUIE LOUIE.NET, the internet edition of the LOUIE REPORT. The LOUIE REPORT
is a publication that tracks progress of the upcoming documentary entitled
"THE MEANING OF LOUIE


let me look around some more... pehapd we can find the deep meaning of
"Jeremiah was a Bullfrog"

"Ryan Mitchley" wrote in message
...
So what's the best mic under $500 to record a black hole?


3.75 times 10 to the 666 power Radio Shaak mics spaced one light year apart
..... and a very large mixer

i believe that upon entering a black hole you would discover every tiny tape
recorder part that was ever dropped and subsequently disappeared on the way
to the floor.

and furthermore when the sound is decoded it will be the equivalent of Na Na
Na NA Na !

In rec.audio.pro, (Pete Larson) wrote:

Doesn't the density of dust particles have to do with which black hole
neighborhood you're in? And isn't sound frequency as well as the
normal speed of sound standardly measured in our air and even at sea
level? This leads me to think that that scientist Fabian guy is wrong
about his "Bb". The photo looks clearly like a C# to me.

Due to the time it takes light to travel to us, this picture is
thousands (millions? I'm too lazy to go back and read how far away
this thing is) of years old. Since the pitch standard has changed
(from C=256cps or even lower to the current A=440Hz) over the
centuries, the note you see in the photograph may be different from
the actual note played, even though the pitch is the same.
Tune your period-instruments accordingly.

Pete Larson
(Remove XPAM for personal reply.)

-----
http://mindspring.com/~benbradley

In article , tim perry
wrote:

No, that's not it. Have you heard the song?


ulysses

http://www.louielouie.net/
http://www.louielouie.net/01-welcome.htm

LOUIE LOUIE.NET, the internet edition of the LOUIE REPORT. The LOUIE REPORT
is a publication that tracks progress of the upcoming documentary entitled
"THE MEANING OF LOUIE


That's awesome. I love the official FBI conclusion: "Unintelligible at
any speed."

ulysses

let me look around some more... pehapd we can find the deep meaning of
"Jeremiah was a Bullfrog"



Hoyt Axton was one of my clients and he said that the words were thrown
together just to work out the melody.

Three Dog night came to Axton asking for a new song which he had but the words
weren't finished. He said that he'd get the words to them when they were ready
to record. That didn't happen and the song was a #1 hit in about three weeks,
so the words were never changed.

Richard H. Kuschel
"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty

"Richard Kuschel" wrote in message
...

let me look around some more... pehapd we can find the deep meaning of
"Jeremiah was a Bullfrog"



Hoyt Axton was one of my clients and he said that the words were thrown
together just to work out the melody.

Three Dog night came to Axton asking for a new song which he had but the
words
weren't finished. He said that he'd get the words to them when they were
ready
to record. That didn't happen and the song was a #1 hit in about three
weeks,
so the words were never changed.

That must be how 'Blinded By The Light' was put together !

And back On Subject - does the Bb thang mean that the universe is in fact
woodwind ?

geoff