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I record everything dry because I take it elsewhere for others to mix.
However, a drummer I work with would like to hear some reverb on his
drums while doing takes. Since it's only for monitoring, the quality
of the effect is not a factor, as long as it doesn't distort and
sounds like reverb. Could I just buy a cheap guitar pedal and put that
on the drums for his headphone mix?

[Les Cargill]

wrote:
I record everything dry because I take it elsewhere for others to mix.
However, a drummer I work with would like to hear some reverb on his
drums while doing takes. Since it's only for monitoring, the quality
of the effect is not a factor, as long as it doesn't distort and
sounds like reverb. Could I just buy a cheap guitar pedal and put that
on the drums for his headphone mix?

The Alesis Nanoverb comes to mind. Music GoRound has a price of $50 on
one.

--
Les Cargill

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On Nov 26, 12:43*am, " wrote:
Could I just buy a cheap guitar pedal and put that
on the drums for his headphone mix?

A cheap verb unit, just not a guitar pedal. Unless there's a switch
on it for line level (and on a cheap one there wouldn't be) it's
wanting instrument level, as a guitar puts out. Putting it in the fx
send of a mixer would overload it. Might still be the coolest sound
ever, but, yeah, a Nanoverb or something similar would be the ticket
and actually be cheaper than a guitar pedal verb.

[Eeyore]

" wrote:

I record everything dry because I take it elsewhere for others to mix.
However, a drummer I work with would like to hear some reverb on his
drums while doing takes. Since it's only for monitoring, the quality
of the effect is not a factor, as long as it doesn't distort and
sounds like reverb. Could I just buy a cheap guitar pedal and put that
on the drums for his headphone mix?

Toilets (bathrooms) work well. Bigger the better, especially tiled ! Just
fit a speaker and a mic. And yes this IS how it was once done.

Graham

[jakdedert]

Eeyore wrote:

" wrote:

I record everything dry because I take it elsewhere for others to mix.
However, a drummer I work with would like to hear some reverb on his
drums while doing takes. Since it's only for monitoring, the quality
of the effect is not a factor, as long as it doesn't distort and
sounds like reverb. Could I just buy a cheap guitar pedal and put that
on the drums for his headphone mix?

Toilets (bathrooms) work well. Bigger the better, especially tiled ! Just
fit a speaker and a mic. And yes this IS how it was once done.

Graham


I was going to suggest this method also. But I would have said, don't
limit yourself to bathrooms. Almost any live space will work. For a
delay+reverb, put speaker at the top of stairway; mic at the bottom.

[Federico]

The Alesis Nanoverb comes to mind. Music GoRound has a price of $50 on
one.

Nanoverb!
F.

[Eeyore]

jakdedert wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
" wrote:

I record everything dry because I take it elsewhere for others to mix.
However, a drummer I work with would like to hear some reverb on his
drums while doing takes. Since it's only for monitoring, the quality
of the effect is not a factor, as long as it doesn't distort and
sounds like reverb. Could I just buy a cheap guitar pedal and put that
on the drums for his headphone mix?

Toilets (bathrooms) work well. Bigger the better, especially tiled ! Just
fit a speaker and a mic. And yes this IS how it was once done.

I was going to suggest this method also. But I would have said, don't
limit yourself to bathrooms. Almost any live space will work. For a
delay+reverb, put speaker at the top of stairway; mic at the bottom.

There is a STUNNING stairway at Mark Knoppler's British Grove studios in
Chiswich, London. It has loads of glass and untreated walls. It echoes like
****.
http://www.britishgrovestudios.com/
http://streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=...=newsearch.srf

And yes, they've used it on recordings. It was where the 'remix' of Sgt
Pepper's' was recorded and mixed.

Beware that Mark Knoppler has the most ignorant, stupidest, anti-science guitar
roadie called Glen.

He reported me to the Studio Manager once for for picking up an old valve head
by its strap handle. He was worried it maight break !

Avoid Knoppfler and his ignorant **** guitar roadie at ALL COSTS.

Graham

[Scott Dorsey]

In article ,
wrote:
I record everything dry because I take it elsewhere for others to mix.
However, a drummer I work with would like to hear some reverb on his
drums while doing takes. Since it's only for monitoring, the quality
of the effect is not a factor, as long as it doesn't distort and
sounds like reverb. Could I just buy a cheap guitar pedal and put that
on the drums for his headphone mix?

An Alesis Nanoverb will cost less than the cheap guitar pedal. It will
probably sound worse, but it might to do the job for you.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Romeo Rondeau[_4_]]

Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
I record everything dry because I take it elsewhere for others to mix.
However, a drummer I work with would like to hear some reverb on his
drums while doing takes. Since it's only for monitoring, the quality
of the effect is not a factor, as long as it doesn't distort and
sounds like reverb. Could I just buy a cheap guitar pedal and put that
on the drums for his headphone mix?

An Alesis Nanoverb will cost less than the cheap guitar pedal. It will
probably sound worse, but it might to do the job for you.
--scott

You're saying that a cheap guitar pedal will sound better than a Nanoverb?

[Scott Dorsey]

Romeo Rondeau wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
I record everything dry because I take it elsewhere for others to mix.
However, a drummer I work with would like to hear some reverb on his
drums while doing takes. Since it's only for monitoring, the quality
of the effect is not a factor, as long as it doesn't distort and
sounds like reverb. Could I just buy a cheap guitar pedal and put that
on the drums for his headphone mix?

An Alesis Nanoverb will cost less than the cheap guitar pedal. It will
probably sound worse, but it might to do the job for you.

You're saying that a cheap guitar pedal will sound better than a Nanoverb?

You have to work really, really hard to sound worse than a Nanoverb.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Les Cargill]

Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
I record everything dry because I take it elsewhere for others to mix.
However, a drummer I work with would like to hear some reverb on his
drums while doing takes. Since it's only for monitoring, the quality
of the effect is not a factor, as long as it doesn't distort and
sounds like reverb. Could I just buy a cheap guitar pedal and put that
on the drums for his headphone mix?

An Alesis Nanoverb will cost less than the cheap guitar pedal. It will
probably sound worse, but it might to do the job for you.
--scott

I'm not sure you understand how bad the cheap guitar pedals are.

--
Les Cargill

[Les Cargill]

Scott Dorsey wrote:
Romeo Rondeau wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
I record everything dry because I take it elsewhere for others to mix.
However, a drummer I work with would like to hear some reverb on his
drums while doing takes. Since it's only for monitoring, the quality
of the effect is not a factor, as long as it doesn't distort and
sounds like reverb. Could I just buy a cheap guitar pedal and put that
on the drums for his headphone mix?
An Alesis Nanoverb will cost less than the cheap guitar pedal. It will
probably sound worse, but it might to do the job for you.
You're saying that a cheap guitar pedal will sound better than a Nanoverb?

You have to work really, really hard to sound worse than a Nanoverb.
--scott

I'm pretty sure it's a drummer that wants this. A drummer
that wants reverb.

--
Les Cargill

[Scott Dorsey]

Les Cargill wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
I record everything dry because I take it elsewhere for others to mix.
However, a drummer I work with would like to hear some reverb on his
drums while doing takes. Since it's only for monitoring, the quality
of the effect is not a factor, as long as it doesn't distort and
sounds like reverb. Could I just buy a cheap guitar pedal and put that
on the drums for his headphone mix?

An Alesis Nanoverb will cost less than the cheap guitar pedal. It will
probably sound worse, but it might to do the job for you.

I'm not sure you understand how bad the cheap guitar pedals are.

Maybe I haven't heard cheap enough ones... the ones I have heard were bucket
brigade devices that were pretty awful.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Les Cargill]

Scott Dorsey wrote:
Les Cargill wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
I record everything dry because I take it elsewhere for others to mix.
However, a drummer I work with would like to hear some reverb on his
drums while doing takes. Since it's only for monitoring, the quality
of the effect is not a factor, as long as it doesn't distort and
sounds like reverb. Could I just buy a cheap guitar pedal and put that
on the drums for his headphone mix?
An Alesis Nanoverb will cost less than the cheap guitar pedal. It will
probably sound worse, but it might to do the job for you.
I'm not sure you understand how bad the cheap guitar pedals are.

Maybe I haven't heard cheap enough ones... the ones I have heard were bucket
brigade devices that were pretty awful.
--scott


Okay, but with reverb, very often, much worse is better. Much much
worse might win awards.

I blame Link Wray.

--
Les Cargill

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On 2008-11-26 (ScottDorsey) said:
I record everything dry because I take it elsewhere for others
to mix. However, a drummer I work with would like to hear some
reverb on his drums while doing takes. Since it's only for
monitoring, the quality of the effect is not a factor, as long
as it doesn't distort and sounds like reverb. Could I just buy
a cheap guitar pedal and put that on the drums for his
headphone mix?
An Alesis Nanoverb will cost less than the cheap guitar pedal.
It will probably sound worse, but it might to do the job for you.
Maybe I haven't heard cheap enough ones... the ones I have heard
were bucket brigade devices that were pretty awful.
I"m with him, sound like something the dog left in the yard
for the application.

THis makes me wonder how you're recording his drums. cLose
mics in a boxy bedroom or something? NO doubt this is a
home recording deal, and not a professional studio.

THe Alesis units, the midiverb especially, with a bit of
room might serve you quite well enough imho. AVoid the
guitar stomp pedals and get an actual effects unit if you
*must* do this.



Richard webb,
replace anything before at with elspider

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
--- Benjamin Franklin, NOvember 1755 from the
Historical review of Pennsylvania



Great audio is never heard by the average person, but bad
audio is heard by everyone.

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THis makes me wonder how you're recording his drums. *cLose
mics in a boxy bedroom or something? *NO doubt this is a
home recording deal, and not a professional studio.

Well, I just record stuff flat. I know how to do that well and not
much else. I take it to a "pro" studio and have it mixed and it comes
out sounding like a million bucks. The stuff gets released
internationally on a pretty big independent scale and I usually credit
myself as an engineer... so I guess that'd technically make me a pro
engineer with a home studio. Whatever difference that makes.

THe Alesis units, the midiverb especially, with a bit of
room might serve you quite well enough imho. *AVoid the
guitar stomp pedals and get an actual effects unit if you
*must* do this.

I don't understand the snooty disdain. I originally mentioned it's
strictly for the drummer's monitors and nothing more. Although you
have no idea what the project I'm working on entails. There is quite a
bit of drum reverb that comes into play during mix down. The project
specifically calls for that. But for the performance, everything is
recorded dry. So the quality of the verb is pretty inconsequential.

If you want to hear our last song, www.myspace.com/exitsect

[elecbanana]

On Nov 28, 6:35*am, " wrote:
THis makes me wonder how you're recording his drums. *cLose
mics in a boxy bedroom or something? *NO doubt this is a
home recording deal, and not a professional studio.

Well, I just record stuff flat. I know how to do that well and not
much else. I take it to a "pro" studio and have it mixed and it comes
out sounding like a million bucks. The stuff gets released
internationally on a pretty big independent scale and I usually credit
myself as an engineer... so I guess that'd technically make me a pro
engineer with a home studio. Whatever difference that makes.

THe Alesis units, the midiverb especially, with a bit of
room might serve you quite well enough imho. *AVoid the
guitar stomp pedals and get an actual effects unit if you
*must* do this.

I don't understand the snooty disdain. I originally mentioned it's
strictly for the drummer's monitors and nothing more. Although you
have no idea what the project I'm working on entails. There is quite a
bit of drum reverb that comes into play during mix down. The project
specifically calls for that. But for the performance, everything is
recorded dry. So the quality of the verb is pretty inconsequential.

If you want to hear our last song,www.myspace.com/exitsect

I totally understand. Hearing the reverb for the drummer is going to
change the way he or she plays. I use a Yamaha mixer for monitoring
with built-in effects. That has always worked fine just to give some
of that sound during tracking. You could go that route with a cheaper
Alesis, Behringer, or Yamaha mixer with built-in effects or go with an
external unit like an Alesis (something)verb, Behringer Virtualizer,
or I had a Digitech Studio 400 at one point that I really liked.

Heck, if you are looking for cheaper than a used Virtualizer or
Nanoverb, why not try using a guitar amp's spring reverb or
something. In the context of the mix for tracking it might be
passable though it wouldn't hurt to have a usable reverb unit lying
around. I sold my Studio 400 when all my mixers had built-in effects
and since, I have found tons of reasons for having a stand-alone
reverb unit. Maybe you could get a little mixer with FX and put it at
the drums and let him adjust his own levels and verb. He could use
the headphone out as his own headphone amplifier. If you could send
him a couple different signals he could to some extent control his own
mix. One less monitor request to deal with. Just a thought. Good
luck!

[genericaudioperson]

Alesis Quadraverb. They are going for $40 on Ebay. That's your
solution, no more thinking involved. This one was easy!

[Scott Dorsey]

I don't understand the snooty disdain. I originally mentioned it's
strictly for the drummer's monitors and nothing more. Although you
have no idea what the project I'm working on entails. There is quite a
bit of drum reverb that comes into play during mix down. The project
specifically calls for that. But for the performance, everything is
recorded dry. So the quality of the verb is pretty inconsequential.

I think his point is that if you're tracking in a nice big drum room, you
can just pull some room mikes back and get plenty of room sound.

If you're stuck in a tiny closet for the drums, you're not able to do this,
and reverb in the cans might be a good workaround. Still, a better room
gets you a lot.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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On 2008-12-01 (ScottDorsey) said:
I think his point is that if you're tracking in a nice big drum
room, you can just pull some room mikes back and get plenty of room
sound.
Exactly the point I"m trying to make. MOst home recordists
don't have this option. Op read something there which isn't
there.
As for myself, I prefer natural drum sounds captured in a
way which captures something other than the close mic sound
of boxy rooms and mics right up against the drum heads.

If you're stuck in a tiny closet for the drums, you're not able to
do this, and reverb in the cans might be a good workaround.
Still, a better room gets you a lot.
Indeed it does, and was my point in my post.





Richard webb,
replace anything before at with elspider

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
--- Benjamin Franklin, NOvember 1755 from the
Historical review of Pennsylvania