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On 6/14/2016 8:01 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 6/14/2016 8:48 PM, Les Cargill wrote: That's why they're [spring reverb] on Fender guitar amps. I like it, so far as it goes. I can't imagine running snare thru it though. Well, you're just missing out on an opportunity. You've be surprised at how much stuff that sounds awful on its own makes a little change in a recording that makes you perk up your ears. You don't want to be the guy who always uses a spring reverb on a snare, but some time you might run into a project that you think just needs a little something else, and a little spring reverb on a snare might be it - sometimes. Reverb does add some spice. It was a must have in the 60 and 70s when I was playing guitar and steel. I'm surprised how my taste has changed in my old age. I no prefer almost/no reverb at all. It kills the definition. I like the sound right in my ear rather that from the other end of a cathedral. In fact I wish I could remove it from some of the stuff I have. I can't recall anything I have that sounds better with more reverb. There are some very poor recordings that it does seem to help sometimes. What I really like is hearing a small acoustic group where I can hear each instrument clearly, in their own space, as opposed to being at the bottom of a well. |
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On 15/06/2016 3:05 AM, Les Cargill wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote: On 6/14/2016 12:00 PM, wrote: Would they really have been using that "in the mix" or just on the monitors? Creative people would use anything in a mix if it gave them something they wanted to hear. Yeah, but mixes get better when you start taking stuff out. So your ultimate mix is total silence? John Cage fan perhaps? Trevor. |
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Trevor wrote:
On 15/06/2016 3:05 AM, Les Cargill wrote: Mike Rivers wrote: On 6/14/2016 12:00 PM, wrote: Would they really have been using that "in the mix" or just on the monitors? Creative people would use anything in a mix if it gave them something they wanted to hear. Yeah, but mixes get better when you start taking stuff out. So your ultimate mix is total silence? John Cage fan perhaps? Trevor. Nah. You Madman Muntz it. Take stuff out til it stops working, then put that last piece back in. -- Les Cargill |
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On 16/06/2016 4:50 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
Trevor wrote: On 15/06/2016 3:05 AM, Les Cargill wrote: Mike Rivers wrote: On 6/14/2016 12:00 PM, wrote: Would they really have been using that "in the mix" or just on the monitors? Creative people would use anything in a mix if it gave them something they wanted to hear. Yeah, but mixes get better when you start taking stuff out. So your ultimate mix is total silence? John Cage fan perhaps? Nah. You Madman Muntz it. Take stuff out til it stops working, then put that last piece back in. Wouldn't it be FAR easier to simply stop after recording the first track? Save a lot of time putting stuff in and taking it out again! Trevor. |
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In article , Trevor wrote:
So your ultimate mix is total silence? John Cage fan perhaps? "Music is the space between the notes." -- Franz Liszt -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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In article , Trevor wrote:
Wouldn't it be FAR easier to simply stop after recording the first track? Save a lot of time putting stuff in and taking it out again! Sometimes that is indeed the best thing to do. The early Joan Baez recordings were made this way. Sadly, the later ones were not. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Trevor wrote:
On 16/06/2016 4:50 PM, Les Cargill wrote: Trevor wrote: On 15/06/2016 3:05 AM, Les Cargill wrote: Mike Rivers wrote: On 6/14/2016 12:00 PM, wrote: Would they really have been using that "in the mix" or just on the monitors? Creative people would use anything in a mix if it gave them something they wanted to hear. Yeah, but mixes get better when you start taking stuff out. So your ultimate mix is total silence? John Cage fan perhaps? Nah. You Madman Muntz it. Take stuff out til it stops working, then put that last piece back in. Wouldn't it be FAR easier to simply stop after recording the first track? Save a lot of time putting stuff in and taking it out again! Trevor. Have you ever been part of a musical ensemble? This approximates the part of that... experience where final arrangement decisions are made in rehearsal. -- Les Cargill |
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 09:46:25 -0500, Les Cargill
wrote: Trevor wrote: On 16/06/2016 4:50 PM, Les Cargill wrote: Trevor wrote: On 15/06/2016 3:05 AM, Les Cargill wrote: Mike Rivers wrote: On 6/14/2016 12:00 PM, wrote: Would they really have been using that "in the mix" or just on the monitors? Creative people would use anything in a mix if it gave them something they wanted to hear. Yeah, but mixes get better when you start taking stuff out. So your ultimate mix is total silence? John Cage fan perhaps? Nah. You Madman Muntz it. Take stuff out til it stops working, then put that last piece back in. Wouldn't it be FAR easier to simply stop after recording the first track? Save a lot of time putting stuff in and taking it out again! Trevor. Have you ever been part of a musical ensemble? This approximates the part of that... experience where final arrangement decisions are made in rehearsal. unless it is a blues band that has been together a long time. Then those decisions are made in performance. d --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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Don Pearce wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 09:46:25 -0500, Les Cargill wrote: Trevor wrote: On 16/06/2016 4:50 PM, Les Cargill wrote: Trevor wrote: On 15/06/2016 3:05 AM, Les Cargill wrote: Mike Rivers wrote: On 6/14/2016 12:00 PM, wrote: Would they really have been using that "in the mix" or just on the monitors? Creative people would use anything in a mix if it gave them something they wanted to hear. Yeah, but mixes get better when you start taking stuff out. So your ultimate mix is total silence? John Cage fan perhaps? Nah. You Madman Muntz it. Take stuff out til it stops working, then put that last piece back in. Wouldn't it be FAR easier to simply stop after recording the first track? Save a lot of time putting stuff in and taking it out again! Trevor. Have you ever been part of a musical ensemble? This approximates the part of that... experience where final arrangement decisions are made in rehearsal. unless it is a blues band that has been together a long time. Then those decisions are made in performance. d --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus Not just blues bands. And that too. -- Les Cargill |
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On 17/06/2016 12:46 AM, Les Cargill wrote:
Yeah, but mixes get better when you start taking stuff out. So your ultimate mix is total silence? John Cage fan perhaps? Nah. You Madman Muntz it. Take stuff out til it stops working, then put that last piece back in. Wouldn't it be FAR easier to simply stop after recording the first track? Save a lot of time putting stuff in and taking it out again! Have you ever been part of a musical ensemble? This approximates the part of that... experience where final arrangement decisions are made in rehearsal. But who gets to decide which members of the ensemble are taken out? Trevor. |
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On 17/06/2016 5:56 PM, Trevor wrote:
Have you ever been part of a musical ensemble? This approximates the part of that... experience where final arrangement decisions are made in rehearsal. But who gets to decide which members of the ensemble are taken out? The 'members' aren't necessarily taken out. Elements of the arrangement are taken out. ..... by any of; the band-leader, the producer, the artistic director, the majority, or the person with the best persuasion skills. geoff |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
"Music is the space between the notes." -- Franz Liszt "Music is the greatest silent force in the world." - Lionel Richie |
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geoff writes:
On 17/06/2016 5:56 PM, Trevor wrote: Have you ever been part of a musical ensemble? This approximates the part of that... experience where final arrangement decisions are made in rehearsal. But who gets to decide which members of the ensemble are taken out? The 'members' aren't necessarily taken out. Elements of the arrangement are taken out. .... by any of; the band-leader, the producer, the artistic director, the majority, or the person with the best persuasion skills. Or -- for better or worse -- the exec producer (or whoever has the gold and is making the rules). Frank Mobile Audio -- |
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In article , Trevor wrote:
On 17/06/2016 12:46 AM, Les Cargill wrote: Yeah, but mixes get better when you start taking stuff out. So your ultimate mix is total silence? John Cage fan perhaps? Nah. You Madman Muntz it. Take stuff out til it stops working, then put that last piece back in. Wouldn't it be FAR easier to simply stop after recording the first track? Save a lot of time putting stuff in and taking it out again! Have you ever been part of a musical ensemble? This approximates the part of that... experience where final arrangement decisions are made in rehearsal. But who gets to decide which members of the ensemble are taken out? Either the producer or the arranger, depending on who wins the wrestling match. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 17/06/2016 6:44 PM, geoff wrote:
On 17/06/2016 5:56 PM, Trevor wrote: Have you ever been part of a musical ensemble? This approximates the part of that... experience where final arrangement decisions are made in rehearsal. But who gets to decide which members of the ensemble are taken out? The 'members' aren't necessarily taken out. Elements of the arrangement are taken out. .... by any of; the band-leader, the producer, the artistic director, the majority, or the person with the best persuasion skills. Oops, forgot the sarcasm emoji. Trevor. |
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