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George M, Middius is an alias- what a surprise ;-)
tor b is in a lather:
He's probably listed under is full name and not his middle initial. Go to: http://www.locateamerica.com and try it both ways, with and without the "M". No result- meaning no drivers license, no automobile registration, not registered to vote, no credit history, etc. There is no "George Middius". Try this, Einstein: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...=Google+Search GeoSynch |
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George M, Middius is an alias- what a surprise ;-)
"GeoSynch" wrote in message
nk.net tor b is in a lather: He's probably listed under is full name and not his middle initial. Go to: http://www.locateamerica.com and try it both ways, with and without the "M". No result- meaning no drivers license, no automobile registration, not registered to vote, no credit history, etc. There is no "George Middius". Try this, Einstein: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...ge+Middius%22+ MD&btnG=Google+Search Very old and obsolete news. try this, Einstein: http://www.google.com/groups?&selm=3...news.addis.net |
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George M, Middius is an alias- what a surprise ;-)
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message news "Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message nk.net Torresists wrote: From: (Dogma4e) Date: 11/15/2003 1:30 PM Central Standard Time Message-id: snip I wrote: So, either "George M. Middius" doesn't exist, or he does exist but has no family, has no drivers license, has never owned a home, has never registered to vote, etc. Which scenario is more likely? ;-) He's probably listed under is full name and not his middle initial. Try again. My searching shows nobody with the last name of Middius in the entire U.S. It's a common problem with those search engines. It's more than very common to have a last name that you share with at least one other living human, unless it's made up. For example, Infospace finds 66 Oberlanders and 250 Kruegers in California. Those other Kruegers want to get as far away from you as possible. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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Feeding the anonymice is dumb
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Hear the quacking > 20 KHz (Again)
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "ScottW" wrote in message news:E%utb.3036$Ue4.642@fed1read01 I guess that means that you don't know the difference between bandwidth and dynamic range either, Scotty. I guess this means you're a pathetic waste of human filth whose real interest is some perverted means to prop up his own declining self-image and rapidly crumbling self esteem. How do you explain intruding on a discussion that is so far over your head? How do you explain consistent irrational conclusions? ScottW |
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McCarty & Krueger, Inc. ?
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Robert Morein" wrote in message After Arny has someone to beat the crap out of for a few years, maybe he'll become a sweeter person . Talk about secret longings and externalization. The amazing thing about Robert Morein is how many times he's had the crap figuratively beaten out of him, without his learning a darn thing. Right up to the Supreme Court of the US! Amazing! Only figuratively, Arny. As opposed to you. Anyways, I was suggesting that you beat the crap out of McCarty. I don't place the two of you in the same category. While you are a ***BAD SCIENTIST***, McCarty is a bad human being. |
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McCarty & Krueger, Inc. ?
Robert Morein said to ****-for-Brains: While you are a ***BAD SCIENTIST***, McCarty is a bad human being. Krooger has pedophiliac fantasies. For all we know, he's acted on them. Remember the allusions to "young trainees"? How about the romps through Sunday school at that misbegotten church of his? Be careful about leaping to conclusions. Mc****head may have interfered with people's Internet access, but that doesn't compare to the damage done by an active pedophile. |
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George M, Middius is an alias- what a surprise ;-)
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McCarty & Krueger, Inc. ?
"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... While you are a ***BAD SCIENTIST***, McCarty is a bad human being. How many times does Arny have to throw sand in your face before you will realize that he is a bad human being? ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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George M, Middius is an alias- what a surprise ;-)
Richard Malesweski said:
Marc "Porky Boy" Phillips dragged his fat ass to a keyboard and typed: I'm a homeowner, have a valid driver's license, children, and a wife. I'm also a registered voter. And yet I'm on none of those sites. Why? Because I have an unlisted phone number. Some detective you are. LOL! You can be found on "Locate America", Porky. Check for yourself. I did. There are a few people with my name in Los Angeles. None are me. Boon |
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McCarty & Krueger, Inc. ?
While you are a ***BAD SCIENTIST***, McCarty is a bad human being. BRBR Arny isn't a bad scientist because he isn't a scientist at all. He does try to coat tail science his religious beliefs in audio on science. He seems to be a fairly awful human being. |
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KEEP YOUR CRAP OUT OF HERE !!!!!!!!!
You bunch of troll already have you own forum for slagging each other GO
BACK THERE . WE DONT NEED THIS SORT OF CONTAMINATION on a SENSIBLY INTELIGENT news group. |
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KEEP YOUR CRAP OUT OF HERE !!!!!!!!!
chris said: You bunch of troll already have you own forum for slagging each other GO BACK THERE . WE DONT NEED THIS SORT OF CONTAMINATION on a SENSIBLY INTELIGENT news group. You know what's funny? The other day, one of the nerds acted like he respects Arnii Krooger. ;-) On the rest of Usenet, that behavior would lead to stoning by a mob of villagers. On your group, it's nothing out of the ordinary. How much do you pay for the fermented worms, anyway? ;-) |
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McCarty & Krueger, Inc. ?
"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message ... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... While you are a ***BAD SCIENTIST***, McCarty is a bad human being. How many times does Arny have to throw sand in your face before you will realize that he is a bad human being? I'll admit, I wouldn't want to have him around the house. But it's a matter of degree: Arny is very rude. (-1) He lies to win arguments. (-2) When he isn't lying, he's just plain devious. (-1) Arny has a concept of good and bad, but on a two year old level (-2) Arny is destructive, but has so far limited his bouts of destruction to audio (-2) Arny believes himself to be master of his domain. However, as I have seen him defer to Dick Pierce, his egomania appears limited to a specific delusion. On the other hand, McCarty is incredibly rude (-3) McCarty lies to defame (-10) McCarty tries to cheat people out of their money (-5) McCarty posts his attacks under assumed names (-5). McCarty has no concept of good or bad whatsoever -- he is a full blown psychopath (-10) McCarty has tried to do me personal harm (-10) (can't avoid the personalization here!). McCarty is generally destructive, to investors, to usenet, and to himself (-10). Score for Krueger: -8 Score for McCarty: -53 |
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McCarty & Krueger, Inc. ?
"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... "Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message ... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... While you are a ***BAD SCIENTIST***, McCarty is a bad human being. How many times does Arny have to throw sand in your face before you will realize that he is a bad human being? I'll admit, I wouldn't want to have him around the house. But it's a matter of degree: Arny is very rude. (-1) He lies to win arguments. (-2) When he isn't lying, he's just plain devious. (-1) Arny has a concept of good and bad, but on a two year old level (-2) Arny is destructive, but has so far limited his bouts of destruction to audio (-2) Arny believes himself to be master of his domain. However, as I have seen him defer to Dick Pierce, his egomania appears limited to a specific delusion. On the other hand, McCarty is incredibly rude (-3) McCarty lies to defame (-10) Arny does that too, he just hasn't done it to you, YET. McCarty tries to cheat people out of their money (-5) McCarty posts his attacks under assumed names (-5). McCarty has no concept of good or bad whatsoever -- he is a full blown psychopath (-10) McCarty has tried to do me personal harm (-10) (can't avoid the personalization here!). McCarty is generally destructive, to investors, to usenet, and to himself (-10). Score for Krueger: -8 Score for McCarty: -53 ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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McCarty & Krueger, Inc. ?
"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message ... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... "Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message ... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... While you are a ***BAD SCIENTIST***, McCarty is a bad human being. How many times does Arny have to throw sand in your face before you will realize that he is a bad human being? I'll admit, I wouldn't want to have him around the house. But it's a matter of degree: Arny is very rude. (-1) He lies to win arguments. (-2) When he isn't lying, he's just plain devious. (-1) Arny has a concept of good and bad, but on a two year old level (-2) Arny is destructive, but has so far limited his bouts of destruction to audio (-2) Arny believes himself to be master of his domain. However, as I have seen him defer to Dick Pierce, his egomania appears limited to a specific delusion. On the other hand, McCarty is incredibly rude (-3) McCarty lies to defame (-10) Arny does that too, he just hasn't done it to you, YET. You're right. I stand corrected. |
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George M, Middius is an alias- what a surprise ;-)
Arny wrote:
Try this, Einstein: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...=Google+Search Very old and obsolete news. try this, Einstein: http://www.google.com/groups?&selm=3...news.addis.net Yeah, back in '97, when 'lil Georgie was still a neophyte dweeb and willingly posted his phone number on the net for one and all. But my posting of the Google link a few months ago is what probably put the fat, little gimp on the run, so to speak. :-) GeoSynch |
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StynchBlob to the rescue! Krooger sighs with relief!
Stynchblob lied: Yeah, back in '97, when 'lil Georgie was still a neophyte dweeb and willingly posted his phone number on the net for one and all. So you admit that making harassing phone calls is a standard tool in your kit of Usenet warfare. That is quite an admission. Did you even put down your beer bottle long enough to think about whether you might ever be prosecuted for your crimes? But my posting of the Google link a few months ago is what probably put the fat, little gimp on the run, so to speak. :-) Probably not, Blimpie. I'll bet even your beloved Krooger is capable of figuring out who has that phone number now. Finished off your Halloween candy yet, or are you still postponing that diet you've been yakking about? |
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More Musings From The Mid-Yut
El Pudge-oh gayo gimpo escribbleo (ho-ho-ho):
Yeah, back in '97, when 'lil Georgie was still a neophyte dweeb and willingly posted his phone number on the net for one and all. So you admit that making harassing phone calls is a standard tool in your kit of Usenet warfare. That is quite an admission. That's quite a leap ... even for a gimp like you. Did you evenput down your beer bottle long enough to think about whether you might ever be prosecuted for your crimes? For what, making fun of you on r.a.o.? But my posting of the Google link a few months ago is what probably put the fat, little gimp on the run, so to speak. :-) Probably not, Blimpie. I'll bet even your beloved Krooger is capable of figuring out who has that phone number now. Finished off your Halloween candy yet, or are you still postponing that diet you've been yakking about? "Yada, yada, yada puke" goes the pudge. GeoSynch |
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McCarty & Krueger, Inc. ?
"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... Arny is very rude. (-8) He lies to win arguments. (-10) When he isn't lying, he's just plain devious. (-8) Arny has a concept of good and bad, but on a two year old level (-5) Arny is destructive, but has so far limited his bouts of destruction to audio (-5) Arny has no concept of good or bad whatsoever -- he is a full blown sociopath(-10) Arny believes himself to be master of his domain. However, as I have seen him defer to Dick Pierce, his egomania appears limited to a specific delusion. On the other hand, McCarty is incredibly rude (-3) McCarty lies to defame (-8) McCarty tries to cheat people out of their money (-5) McCarty posts his attacks under assumed names (-4). McCarty has no concept of good or bad whatsoever -- he is a full blown psychopath (-8) McCarty has tried to do personal harm (-10) (can't avoid the personalization here!). Score for Krueger: -46 Score for McCarty: -38 ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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George M, Middius is an alias- what a surprise ;-)
Richard Malesweski said:
(Marc Phillips) wrote in message ... snip I wrote: You can be found on "Locate America", Porky. Check for yourself. The Porkster lied: I did. There are a few people with my name in Los Angeles. None are me. I found a post where you said you lived in Tujunga (at the time you made the post, perhaps not now). In Locate America, there is a listing for a Marc A Phillips, current age 41, in Tujunga. Are you saying that isn't you, liar? Keep in mind that Locate America lists info for past as well as current places of residence. And remember you are in the google record as saying that your muddle name is Andrew. (Marc Phillips) wrote in message ... snip I wrote: You can be found on "Locate America", Porky. Check for yourself. The Porkster lied: I did. There are a few people with my name in Los Angeles. None are me. I found a post where you said you lived in Tujunga (at the time you made the post, perhaps not now). In Locate America, there is a listing for a Marc A Phillips, current age 41, in Tujunga. Are you saying that isn't you, liar? Keep in mind that Locate America lists info for past as well as current places of residence. And remember you are in the google record as saying that your muddle name is Andrew. That's it! I live in Tujunga! You got me! C'mon and get me! Pull the trigger! Pull the trigger! Boon |
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Failure to Hear the removal of sounds > 20 KHz (Again)
Arny Krueger wrote:
Over the years various people on RAO have berated me because I have kept saying that the fact that the CD format removes all sound above 22 KHz isn't a problem. Here is one more example in a long series of scientific papers that agree with this idea: Audio Engineering Society Convention Paper 5876: Perceptual Discrimination between Musical Sounds with and without Very High Frequency Components Given at the 115th AES Convention in New York about a month ago. This paper can be ordered from the AES web site: www.aes.org . This paper describes the test methodology and the results of a series of listening tests performed by researchers at NHK Science & Technical Research Laboratories, Tokyo, Japan. These tests compared the playback of recordings with and without audio signals above 21 KHz. 19 different musical selections and one synthetic sound were used: 1 "Satsuma-Biwa" "Satsuma-Biwa" 2 Litha Drums, Bass, Pf (Jazz Piano Trio) 3 Meditation Vn, Pf 4 Romanian Folk Dances Vn, Pf 5 Intermezzo de "Carmen" Fl, Pf 6 Beethoven: Sym. No.9 4th Mov. Picc 7 Bach: Suite for Vc No.2 - Prelude Sax 8 Bach: Suite for Vc No.6 - Prelude Sax 9 Piece en forme de Habanera Sax, Pf 10 Partie Sax, Pf, Perc 11 Sednalo Bulgarian Chorus (SACD ARHS-1002) 12 TihViatar Bulgarian Chorus (SACD ARHS-1002) 13 Meditation+White Noise Vn, Pf, High frequency band consists of only white noise. 14 Airs Valagues Fl, Pf 15 Tchaikovski: Sym. No.6 3rd Mov. Full Orchestra 16 Doralice Vo, Gt (Bossa Nova) 17 Chega de Sauadade Vo, Gt, Pf, Perc (Bossa Nova) 18 tiny rose Vo, Pf, Gt, Fl, Perc ("the birds") 19 butterfly Vo, Pf, Gt, Perc ("the birds") 20 Autumn Leaves Drums, Bass, Pf (Jazz Piano Trio) "First, 36 subjects evaluated 20 kinds of stimulus, and each stimulus was evaluated 40 times in total. The results showed no significant difference among the sound stimuli, but that the correct response rate for three sound stimuli was close to the significance probability (5% level). It is concluded that one subject attained a 75% correct response rate which constituted a significant difference. In order to make a strict statistical test, we conducted a supplementary test with this subject who had attained the best correct answer rate in the first test. This subject evaluated six kinds of sound stimulus, and then evaluated each sound stimulus 20 times. As a result, no significant difference was found among the sound stimuli, and so this subject could not discriminate between these sound stimuli with and without very high frequency components." In other words, of 36 listeners, only one listener scored substantially better than random guessing, and when retested, he could not duplicate his earlier results. This indicates that they were due to luck. In fact a study of statisitics and actual experience suggests that with a group of 36 listeners, it is pretty certain that one or more listeners will get good scores due to luck, that they won't be able to duplicate when re-tested. So, you can flip pennies or compare 24/44 to 24/96 and get pretty much the same results, provided you hold all other relevant variables equal. One study awhile back in Japan used EEG measurements to measure pleasure stimuli. It showed that although participates could not hear those high frequencies the "pleasure area" of the brain sure did. Probably why it is so much more pleasing to listen to a wide frequency response system as compared to a harsh sounding CD. I place a lot more value on that kind of study. One that uses actual electronic measurements of brain activity rather than subjective responses from listeners. |
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Failure to Hear the removal of sounds > 20 KHz (Again)
Yes, the level at that point is accurate, very accurate.... but take any
sine wave, and select 3 points on it. Can you tell the full amplitude of that sine wave at the points in between? I can't. Erik "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Erik Squires" wrote in message ervers.com I'm not sure that the higher frequencies matter, but having a mere 3 samples per cycle at 15kHz doesn't exactly seem like high resolution to me. Given that each sample can be accurate up to within one part in 8 billion, it can be very accurate. |
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Failure to Hear the removal of sounds > 20 KHz (Again)
"Erik Squires" wrote in message
rvers.com Yes, the level at that point is accurate, very accurate.... but take any sine wave, and select 3 points on it. Can you tell the full amplitude of that sine wave at the points in between? Sure. Three equations in three unknowns with three given known quantities. I can determine frequency, amplitude and phase from three points, presuming that a pure sine wave passes through them. I can't. You could if you're training in electronics and math prepared you for the task. |
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Failure to Hear the removal of sounds > 20 KHz (Again)
"John" wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: Over the years various people on RAO have berated me because I have kept saying that the fact that the CD format removes all sound above 22 KHz isn't a problem. Here is one more example in a long series of scientific papers that agree with this idea: Audio Engineering Society Convention Paper 5876: Perceptual Discrimination between Musical Sounds with and without Very High Frequency Components Given at the 115th AES Convention in New York about a month ago. This paper can be ordered from the AES web site: www.aes.org . This paper describes the test methodology and the results of a series of listening tests performed by researchers at NHK Science & Technical Research Laboratories, Tokyo, Japan. These tests compared the playback of recordings with and without audio signals above 21 KHz. 19 different musical selections and one synthetic sound were used: 1 "Satsuma-Biwa" "Satsuma-Biwa" 2 Litha Drums, Bass, Pf (Jazz Piano Trio) 3 Meditation Vn, Pf 4 Romanian Folk Dances Vn, Pf 5 Intermezzo de "Carmen" Fl, Pf 6 Beethoven: Sym. No.9 4th Mov. Picc 7 Bach: Suite for Vc No.2 - Prelude Sax 8 Bach: Suite for Vc No.6 - Prelude Sax 9 Piece en forme de Habanera Sax, Pf 10 Partie Sax, Pf, Perc 11 Sednalo Bulgarian Chorus (SACD ARHS-1002) 12 TihViatar Bulgarian Chorus (SACD ARHS-1002) 13 Meditation+White Noise Vn, Pf, High frequency band consists of only white noise. 14 Airs Valagues Fl, Pf 15 Tchaikovski: Sym. No.6 3rd Mov. Full Orchestra 16 Doralice Vo, Gt (Bossa Nova) 17 Chega de Sauadade Vo, Gt, Pf, Perc (Bossa Nova) 18 tiny rose Vo, Pf, Gt, Fl, Perc ("the birds") 19 butterfly Vo, Pf, Gt, Perc ("the birds") 20 Autumn Leaves Drums, Bass, Pf (Jazz Piano Trio) "First, 36 subjects evaluated 20 kinds of stimulus, and each stimulus was evaluated 40 times in total. The results showed no significant difference among the sound stimuli, but that the correct response rate for three sound stimuli was close to the significance probability (5% level). It is concluded that one subject attained a 75% correct response rate which constituted a significant difference. In order to make a strict statistical test, we conducted a supplementary test with this subject who had attained the best correct answer rate in the first test. This subject evaluated six kinds of sound stimulus, and then evaluated each sound stimulus 20 times. As a result, no significant difference was found among the sound stimuli, and so this subject could not discriminate between these sound stimuli with and without very high frequency components." In other words, of 36 listeners, only one listener scored substantially better than random guessing, and when retested, he could not duplicate his earlier results. This indicates that they were due to luck. In fact a study of statisitics and actual experience suggests that with a group of 36 listeners, it is pretty certain that one or more listeners will get good scores due to luck, that they won't be able to duplicate when re-tested. So, you can flip pennies or compare 24/44 to 24/96 and get pretty much the same results, provided you hold all other relevant variables equal. One study awhile back in Japan used EEG measurements to measure pleasure stimuli. That would no doubt be this study: http://www.yamashirogumi.gr.jp/kumigashira/jnp-hse.pdf This study has quite a checkered past. It has been declined publication in audio-related referreed publications because of critical flaws, further discussed below. It showed that although participates could not hear those high frequencies the "pleasure area" of the brain sure did. The study has critical flaws, noted below. Probably why it is so much more pleasing to listen to a wide frequency response system as compared to a harsh sounding CD. When CDs sound harsh, it's far easier to explain. They sound harsh because they were made to sound harsh by means of traditional audio production tools such as equalization, compression, and the like. I place a lot more value on that kind of study. One that uses actual electronic measurements of brain activity rather than subjective responses from listeners It turns out that that study is well-known to have a critical flaw. There were audible frequency response variations below 20 KHz, presumably because of some interactions in the test setup. This shows up in figure 1. |
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Failure to Hear the removal of sounds > 20 KHz (Again)
Arny Krueger wrote:
"John" wrote in message Arny Krueger wrote: Over the years various people on RAO have berated me because I have kept saying that the fact that the CD format removes all sound above 22 KHz isn't a problem. Here is one more example in a long series of scientific papers that agree with this idea: Audio Engineering Society Convention Paper 5876: Perceptual Discrimination between Musical Sounds with and without Very High Frequency Components Given at the 115th AES Convention in New York about a month ago. This paper can be ordered from the AES web site: www.aes.org . This paper describes the test methodology and the results of a series of listening tests performed by researchers at NHK Science & Technical Research Laboratories, Tokyo, Japan. These tests compared the playback of recordings with and without audio signals above 21 KHz. 19 different musical selections and one synthetic sound were used: 1 "Satsuma-Biwa" "Satsuma-Biwa" 2 Litha Drums, Bass, Pf (Jazz Piano Trio) 3 Meditation Vn, Pf 4 Romanian Folk Dances Vn, Pf 5 Intermezzo de "Carmen" Fl, Pf 6 Beethoven: Sym. No.9 4th Mov. Picc 7 Bach: Suite for Vc No.2 - Prelude Sax 8 Bach: Suite for Vc No.6 - Prelude Sax 9 Piece en forme de Habanera Sax, Pf 10 Partie Sax, Pf, Perc 11 Sednalo Bulgarian Chorus (SACD ARHS-1002) 12 TihViatar Bulgarian Chorus (SACD ARHS-1002) 13 Meditation+White Noise Vn, Pf, High frequency band consists of only white noise. 14 Airs Valagues Fl, Pf 15 Tchaikovski: Sym. No.6 3rd Mov. Full Orchestra 16 Doralice Vo, Gt (Bossa Nova) 17 Chega de Sauadade Vo, Gt, Pf, Perc (Bossa Nova) 18 tiny rose Vo, Pf, Gt, Fl, Perc ("the birds") 19 butterfly Vo, Pf, Gt, Perc ("the birds") 20 Autumn Leaves Drums, Bass, Pf (Jazz Piano Trio) "First, 36 subjects evaluated 20 kinds of stimulus, and each stimulus was evaluated 40 times in total. The results showed no significant difference among the sound stimuli, but that the correct response rate for three sound stimuli was close to the significance probability (5% level). It is concluded that one subject attained a 75% correct response rate which constituted a significant difference. In order to make a strict statistical test, we conducted a supplementary test with this subject who had attained the best correct answer rate in the first test. This subject evaluated six kinds of sound stimulus, and then evaluated each sound stimulus 20 times. As a result, no significant difference was found among the sound stimuli, and so this subject could not discriminate between these sound stimuli with and without very high frequency components." In other words, of 36 listeners, only one listener scored substantially better than random guessing, and when retested, he could not duplicate his earlier results. This indicates that they were due to luck. In fact a study of statisitics and actual experience suggests that with a group of 36 listeners, it is pretty certain that one or more listeners will get good scores due to luck, that they won't be able to duplicate when re-tested. So, you can flip pennies or compare 24/44 to 24/96 and get pretty much the same results, provided you hold all other relevant variables equal. One study awhile back in Japan used EEG measurements to measure pleasure stimuli. That would no doubt be this study: http://www.yamashirogumi.gr.jp/kumigashira/jnp-hse.pdf This study has quite a checkered past. It has been declined publication in audio-related referreed publications because of critical flaws, further discussed below. It showed that although participates could not hear those high frequencies the "pleasure area" of the brain sure did. The study has critical flaws, noted below. Probably why it is so much more pleasing to listen to a wide frequency response system as compared to a harsh sounding CD. When CDs sound harsh, it's far easier to explain. They sound harsh because they were made to sound harsh by means of traditional audio production tools such as equalization, compression, and the like. I place a lot more value on that kind of study. One that uses actual electronic measurements of brain activity rather than subjective responses from listeners It turns out that that study is well-known to have a critical flaw. There were audible frequency response variations below 20 KHz, presumably because of some interactions in the test setup. This shows up in figure 1. Wrong. The frequency response anomaly is due to the B and K microsphone used for the measurement. Not what the particpates would have heard. The correlation between wide frequency response and pleasure listening to music is a definitive one. Something my brain has always noticed. |
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George M, Middius is an alias- what a surprise ;-)
Arny Krueger wrote:
It's more than very common to have a last name that you share with at least one other living human, unless it's made up. For example, Infospace finds 66 Oberlanders and 250 Kruegers in California. Actually, the Census puts it at about 200 families with my last name in the U.S. Not that common. Yeah - of those in California - 15 are my father's brothers and families. I'm terribly easy to locate. |
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George M, Middius is an alias- what a surprise ;-)
Marc Phillips wrote:
That's it! I live in Tujunga! You got me! C'mon and get me! Pull the trigger! Pull the trigger! Boon It's amazing, actually - how many of us live in the L.A. area. |
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George M, Middius is an alias- what a surprise ;-)
It's amazing, actually - how many of us live in the L.A. area. Being so small and underpopulated and such. |
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George M, Middius is an alias- what a surprise ;-)
Joseph Oberlander said:
Marc Phillips wrote: That's it! I live in Tujunga! You got me! C'mon and get me! Pull the trigger! Pull the trigger! Boon It's amazing, actually - how many of us live in the L.A. area. You and I used to live about five miles from each other. And I think GeoSynch is somewhere close to where I live now. And there's someone else, too, but I can't remember. Boon |
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George M, Middius is an alias- what a surprise ;-)
S888Wheel said:
It's amazing, actually - how many of us live in the L.A. area. Being so small and underpopulated and such. It's you! You're the one I was thinking about just a second ago, in my last post. Boon |
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George M, Middius is an alias- what a surprise ;-)
"Marc Phillips" wrote in message ... S888Wheel said: It's amazing, actually - how many of us live in the L.A. area. Being so small and underpopulated and such. It's you! You're the one I was thinking about just a second ago, in my last post. Boon I invited Scott Wheeler to join us on Sturday, Dec 6, by email. ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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I invited Scott Wheeler to join us on Sturday, Dec 6, by email. I hope I can make it. Thanks again for the invite. |
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KEEP YOUR CRAP OUT OF HERE !!!!!!!!!
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:35:41 -0000, "chris"
wrote: You bunch of troll already have you own forum for slagging each other GO BACK THERE . WE DONT NEED THIS SORT OF CONTAMINATION on a SENSIBLY INTELIGENT news group. There are two 'L's in INTELLIGENT, and there's no need to shout... :-) -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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Failure to Hear the removal of sounds > 20 KHz (Again)
"John" wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote: That would no doubt be this study: http://www.yamashirogumi.gr.jp/kumigashira/jnp-hse.pdf This study has quite a checkered past. It has been declined publication in audio-related refereed publications because of critical flaws, further discussed below. It showed that although participates could not hear those high frequencies the "pleasure area" of the brain sure did. The study has critical flaws, noted below. Probably why it is so much more pleasing to listen to a wide frequency response system as compared to a harsh sounding CD. When CDs sound harsh, it's far easier to explain. They sound harsh because they were made to sound harsh by means of traditional audio production tools such as equalization, compression, and the like. I place a lot more value on that kind of study. One that uses actual electronic measurements of brain activity rather than subjective responses from listeners It turns out that that study is well-known to have a critical flaw. There were audible frequency response variations below 20 KHz, presumably because of some interactions in the test setup. This shows up in figure 1. Wrong. The frequency response anomaly is due to the B and K microphone used for the measurement. Wrong, we're talking about a difference. The same mic was used to make both relevant measurements. Not what the participants would have heard. Since the difference is clearly there and due to the test setup- how can one just dismiss it? Mind reading? The correlation between wide frequency response and pleasure listening to music is a definitive one. At some point the audibility of frequency response variations becomes highly controversial, and that point is some place around 20 KHz. Something my brain has always noticed. You can do your own blind listening tests related to the audibility of sample rates with files you can easily download from http://www.pcabx.com/technical/sample_rates/index.htm . |
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McCarty & Krueger, Inc. ?
Robert Morein wrote:
[blah ^ blah] Robert, you come across as being actively unintelligent. Please be so kind as to stop advertising that unintelligence in rec.audio.tech where it is off topic and go back to ra0 or even better post it to nil so that ra0 may again become rao and thus perhaps worth visiting. Peter Larsen -- ************************************************** *********** * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ************************************************** *********** |
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George M, Middius is an alias- what a surprise ;-)
(Marc Phillips) wrote in message
... snip I wrote: You can be found on "Locate America", Porky. Check for yourself. The Porkster lied: I did. There are a few people with my name in Los Angeles. None are me. I found a post where you said you lived in Tujunga (at the time you made the post, perhaps not now). In Locate America, there is a listing for a Marc A Phillips, current age 41, in Tujunga. Are you saying that isn't you, liar? Keep in mind that Locate America lists info for past as well as current places of residence. And remember you are in the google record as saying that your muddle name is Andrew. That's it! I live in Tujunga! You got me! C'mon and get me! Pull the trigger! Pull the trigger! That same Marc A Phillips, current age 41, also has listings for past residences in Encino, CA and Virginia Beach, VA. Since you are on the google record as having lived in both Encino and Virginia Beach as well as Tujunga I think we can safely conclude that you *can* be found in Locate America, despite your earlier lies. BTW, I have no intention to "come and get [you]". You are the stalker, not me. I am merely refuting another one of your many, many lies, Porky. Now, can we return to the original question: why can't "George M. Middius" be found on Locate America? |
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"tor b" wrote in message
om (Marc Phillips) wrote in message ... I wrote: You can be found on "Locate America", Porky. Check for yourself. The Porkster lied: I did. There are a few people with my name in Los Angeles. None are me. The question here is whether Porky lied or spoke ignorantly. Presuming incompetence is usually more accurate than presuming malevolence. But then Porky is one malevolent little ham bone, isn't he? I found a post where you said you lived in Tujunga (at the time you made the post, perhaps not now). In Locate America, there is a listing for a Marc A Phillips, current age 41, in Tujunga. Are you saying that isn't you, liar? Keep in mind that Locate America lists info for past as well as current places of residence. And remember you are in the google record as saying that your muddle name is Andrew. That's it! I live in Tujunga! You got me! C'mon and get me! Pull the trigger! Pull the trigger! Is Marc Phillips seriously over the edge or what? Prove Phillips doesn't know what he is talking about, and he acts like he wants to be murdered, and now. Very sad. That same Marc A Phillips, current age 41, also has listings for past residences in Encino, CA and Virginia Beach, VA. Since you are on the google record as having lived in both Encino and Virginia Beach as well as Tujunga I think we can safely conclude that you *can* be found in Locate America, despite your earlier lies. BTW, I have no intention to "come and get [you]". You are the stalker, not me. I am merely refuting another one of your many, many lies, Porky. Good job! Now, can we return to the original question: why can't "George M. Middius" be found on Locate America? The obvious answer would be that George Middius is an alias. The connection between Middius and MIDI seems to be pretty obvious. The interesting question then becomes who George Middius is an alias for? It could be a nobody, or it could be a somebody, like say Atkins*n. We already have proof that the person behind the Middius persona posts under other aliases. |
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McCarty & Krueger, Inc. ?
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:26:30 +0100, Peter Larsen
wrote: Robert Morein wrote: [blah ^ blah] Robert, you come across as being actively unintelligent. Please be so kind as to stop advertising that unintelligence in rec.audio.tech where it is off topic and go back to ra0 or even better post it to nil so that ra0 may again become rao and thus perhaps worth visiting. One is concerned that he may become president, one day, |
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