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"Sander deWaal" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" said: They (religions) are just another kind of flawed human institutions. Well, today must be a special day. I agree with you (again!). And yet Sander you claim that it is I who is merely limping along. Strange. |
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"Arny Krueger" said:
They (religions) are just another kind of flawed human institutions. Well, today must be a special day. I agree with you (again!). And yet Sander you claim that it is I who is merely limping along. Here's some flawed science for you: Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Strange. LOL! ;-) -- Sander de Waal " SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. " |
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Lionel wrote in message Sander deWaal wrote: Arny Krueger said: What good did religion in general bring to the world? Since the word religion is so general, it need not have brought anything in particular. It's much easier to sum up the bad that religion brought upon us, don't you think? ;-) This sounds like an HiFi thread started by a guy which has never listened anything else but his walkman. :-) Lionel, it'sss time to lend us some thoughts about your experiences with the truth...... ;o)? |
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JBorg wrote:
Lionel wrote in message Sander deWaal wrote: Arny Krueger said: What good did religion in general bring to the world? Since the word religion is so general, it need not have brought anything in particular. It's much easier to sum up the bad that religion brought upon us, don't you think? ;-) This sounds like an HiFi thread started by a guy which has never listened anything else but his walkman. :-) Lionel, it'sss time to lend us some thoughts about your experiences with the truth...... ;o)? I'm too lazy to live such experience. :-( What about you ? |
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"Lionel" wrote JBorg wrote: Lionel, it'sss time to lend us some thoughts about your experiences with the truth...... ;o)? I'm too lazy to live such experience. :-( Is it because it seldom exist where you're at ? What about you ? It comes and go over here. |
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"Sander deWaal" wrote in message ... (Blind Joni) said: Believing in God, Allah or whatever deity scares me. Religion changes people into racists and intolerant dogmatics. Really..so all religious people throughout the ages were racists and intolerant dogmatics? Interesting that you would know this. OK, let's turn it around then. What good did religion in general bring to the world? -- Christianity has been sort of up and down, but it was St. Thomas Aquinas who was instrumental in launching the Renaissance. There were Jewish scholars who were responsible for the translation of Aristotle's works. Much of what we call fine art is religious in nature or financed by the Vatican. Probably most important was the spreading of an ethical system, albeit a flawed one. Missionary work has spread literacy to places far and wide. |
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Sander deWaal wrote:
"Arny Krueger" said: They (religions) are just another kind of flawed human institutions. Well, today must be a special day. I agree with you (again!). And yet Sander you claim that it is I who is merely limping along. Here's some flawed science for you: Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Strange. LOL! ;-) -- Sander de Waal " SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. " A cuckoo clock. Bruce J. Richman |
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:39:27 +0100, Sander deWaal
wrote: (Blind Joni) said: Believing in God, Allah or whatever deity scares me. Religion changes people into racists and intolerant dogmatics. Really..so all religious people throughout the ages were racists and intolerant dogmatics? Interesting that you would know this. OK, let's turn it around then. What good did religion in general bring to the world? Abolitionism. Came by way of the Second Great Awakening in the 1830s, and before that from the Quakers. |
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:56:02 GMT, "Michael McKelvy"
wrote: "Sander deWaal" wrote in message .. . (Blind Joni) said: Believing in God, Allah or whatever deity scares me. Religion changes people into racists and intolerant dogmatics. Really..so all religious people throughout the ages were racists and intolerant dogmatics? Interesting that you would know this. OK, let's turn it around then. What good did religion in general bring to the world? -- Christianity has been sort of up and down, but it was St. Thomas Aquinas who was instrumental in launching the Renaissance. There were Jewish scholars who were responsible for the translation of Aristotle's works. Much of what we call fine art is religious in nature or financed by the Vatican. E.g. Ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, Last Supper, much of Bach, Notre Dame, The Odyssey of Homer. |
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"Paul Dormer" wrote in message ... "Michael McKelvy" emitted : It's a perception I don't share. that perception which gave birth to what we now know as the environmental movement. There are still some kinds of science that are perceived as good, stem cell research, eco-science are some examples. What the ****ing hell are you talking about?? Environmentalism doesn't mean "anti-science" you moron.. It means junk science. ....Phrases like we can put a man on the Moon but we can't find a cure for Cancer didn't help much either. I still think that it wouldn't take much to change that perception... Finding a cure for cancer would be a good starting point. The work goes on. |
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Arny said:
Yet after Cain kills Abel and is cast out of Eden, he complains to God that everyone who sees him will want to kill him. Uh, at that point in time, there are three people on the entire planet. OK, we've got a theological expert named Marc Phillips that believes that if someone is not specifically mentioned in the Bible, they dont' exist. So Adam and Eve had two children, and one killed the other, leaving one. So in your religion, 1+1+1 does not equal 3. 1+1+1= 3 + an unknown amount which is not specifically mentioned. Makes as much sense as anything else in the Bible, I suppose. BTW, I asked a minister to answer the same question once. His answer was only marginally less lame than yours, involving some theory unmentioned in the Bible that once the Garden of Eden was created, God created other planned communities around the world. Of course this explanation blows, because your religion is supposedly based upon what is contained in the Bible, yet goes sloppily beyond the borders, desperately in search of plausibility, whenever convenient. Who is "everyone"? All the people who were there, but not named specifically. You know, like the jillions of people who were killed by Noah's flood. The people who built the Tower of Babel. etc., etc. I'd like to see the chapter and verse where "jillions" were killed in the Tower of Babel. Or, of course, you are welcome to keep making things up to defend your religion. That seems to be the motto. Boon |
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Are you a Bon Jovi fan?
He tried to snag my girlfriend in 1985... John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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If we are dealing with the universe, black holes, varying
dimensions.etc..who the heck knows? Jee try to kep track of what is being talked about before jumping in. We are talking about creationism and the rationality of believing in it. Yessss. I know that. What exactly are you babbling about? Do you think science has made no discoveries about the nature of the universe? Do you believe everything that you don't understand or know about is universally incomprehensable? Just the opposite.there are plenty of things that we "knew" a few years ago that now we "know" differently. To quote Tommy Lee Jones to Will Smith in MIB... "1500 years ago everyone KNEW the Earth was the center of the universe...500 years ago everyone KNEW the Earth was flat....what do you think we will KNOW tomorrow?" Point is that it is arrogant to think we know waht cannot be proven or disproven..stupid arguement for arguements sake. It seems some want to make a case for a theory that matches their own..and then criticize others for doing the same thing..interesting. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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So Adam and Eve had two children, and one killed the other, leaving one. So
in your religion, 1+1+1 does not equal 3. 1+1+1= 3 + an unknown amount which is not specifically mentioned. I'm not defending the literal story but Adam and Eve were told to have many children...over hundreds of years. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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It's much easier to sum up the bad that religion brought upon us,
don't you think? ;-) -- Easier to find information on..just like the news of today..how much of that is good news? John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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"S888Wheel" wrote in message ... From: "Clyde Slick" Date: 11/25/2004 7:25 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: "Sander deWaal" wrote in message news Paul Dormer said: "Trevor Wilson" emitted : I know it is not scientific, nor even independently verified as accurate. Nevertheless, it provides an interesting starting point for discussion. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in657083.shtml I find those numbers scary. Scary indeed, but not surprising. Times are uncertain, and returning to biblical principles may be a reaction to perceived Islamic danger. No, I think the numbers would have been similar before 9/11 Once an evolutionist, its hard to go back to creationsism, something you are absolutely sure is impossible. And yet we clearly are going back as a nation. I doubt the numbers would have been anything like this in the early sixties when science was still seen as a good thing. In thew 60's I had a neighbor who was a NASA scientist, a Christian Scientist, and a firm beleiver in creatiobism. No I don't think wee are going backwards, I Think the numbers were about the same in the 60's. Remember, Evangelicism took a big jump in the 60's. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Marc Phillips" wrote in message John Chiara said: Here's another one: Supposedly Adam and Eve were the first humans on earth. And yet when their children grew up and moved out, they got married. Where did those other people that Cain and Abel married come from? Why wasn't their miraculous creation chronicled in The Holy Booke? I would assume if you believed the story..they married brothers and sisters.nephews and nieces..etc...since Adam was told to live more than 900 years. Yet after Cain kills Abel and is cast out of Eden, he complains to God that everyone who sees him will want to kill him. Uh, at that point in time, there are three people on the entire planet. OK, we've got a theological expert named Marc Phillips that believes that if someone is not specifically mentioned in the Bible, they dont' exist. Who is "everyone"? All the people who were there, but not named specifically. You know, like the jillions of people who were killed by Noah's flood. **Jillions? The alleged 'Noah's Flood' was likely a localised event, around the area of the Euphrates River. It probably killed a goodly number of people (a dozen to a few hundred), but certainly didn't cover the entrie planet, in the way described in the Bible. The people who built the Tower of Babel. etc., etc. **Well, the Tower of Babel was probably another legend which was blown out of all proportion. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au |
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"JBorg" wrote in message . com... Trevor Wilson wrote I know it is not scientific, nor even independently verified as accurate. Nevertheless, it provides an interesting starting point for discussion. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in657083.shtml -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au Our rational thoughts is constrained to our own experience and to those authority we consider qualified to provide facts. I wonder what happen to the guy who invented electricity. I won't be surprise if they consider him a big joke. It was beyond their experience of truth. **I doubt that Voltaire was ever considered a "joke". Whilst always controversial, he was highly regarded, then and now. -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au |
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JBorg wrote:
"Lionel" wrote JBorg wrote: Lionel, it'sss time to lend us some thoughts about your experiences with the truth...... ;o)? I'm too lazy to live such experience. :-( Is it because it seldom exist where you're at ? Who are you to suppose that some place on the earth could be more favorised than others ? I am always astonished by the uniqueness of the individual but also sure of its perfect distribution. It's just a question of focal lenght. What about you ? It comes and go over here. It's always here but sometime you just forget that it can be your. |
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Trevor Wilson wrote JBorg wrote Trevor Wilson wrote I know it is not scientific, nor even independently verified as accurate. Nevertheless, it provides an interesting starting point for discussion. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in657083.shtml -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au Our rational thoughts is constrained to our own experience and to those authority we consider qualified to provide facts. I wonder what happen to the guy who invented electricity. I won't be surprise if they consider him a big joke. It was beyond their experience of truth. **I doubt that Voltaire was ever considered a "joke". Whilst always controversial, he was highly regarded, then and now. I don't think it was Voltaire but then, it's besides the point. Oh well then, wouldn't you think though that your knowledge of known facts is constrain to life's experiences as well as from those you consider qualified to promote facts? What would your reaction be to an individual claiming that Shakti Stone is an effective electromagnetic stabilizer ? -- Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au |
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"Lionel" wrote JBorg wrote: "Lionel" wrote JBorg wrote: Lionel, it'sss time to lend us some thoughts about your experiences with the truth...... ;o)? I'm too lazy to live such experience. :-( Is it because it seldom exist where you're at ? Who are you to suppose that some place on the earth could be more favorised than others ? Well some towns, cities, and places on earth are ran by thugs, cutthroats, and con. I am always astonished by the uniqueness of the individual but also sure of its perfect distribution. It's just a question of focal lenght. If your referring to McKelvy and Arnii, yes. Both have equal focal lenght of history with false claims and misrepresentation at Rao. What about you ? It comes and go over here. It's always here but sometime you just forget that it can be your. That would denial, Lionel. It does you no good. Seize it, and it sets you free. |
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George M. Middius wrote JBorg said: I don't think it was Voltaire but then, it's besides the point. Oh well then, wouldn't you think though that your knowledge of known facts is constrain to life's experiences as well as from those you consider qualified to promulgate facts? The latter category is quite expansive. The latter category indeed may be expansive as individual's acceptance of promulgated facts may vary according to his own judgment. It is conditional to what he would consider and accept. What type of reaction should be expected if an individual claims to you that green ink pen painted around the edges of a compact disc enhances the sound produce by his audio system ? |
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JBorg wrote:
"Lionel" wrote JBorg wrote: "Lionel" wrote JBorg wrote: Lionel, it'sss time to lend us some thoughts about your experiences with the truth...... ;o)? I'm too lazy to live such experience. :-( Is it because it seldom exist where you're at ? Who are you to suppose that some place on the earth could be more favorised than others ? Well some towns, cities, and places on earth are ran by thugs, cutthroats, and con. Like Sodom and Gomorrah ? I am always astonished by the uniqueness of the individual but also sure of its perfect distribution. It's just a question of focal lenght. If your referring to McKelvy and Arnii, yes. Both have equal focal lenght of history with false claims and misrepresentation at Rao. Nobody in particular. Everybody in general. What about you ? It comes and go over here. It's always here but sometime you just forget that it can be your. That would denial, Lionel. It does you no good. LOL ! Seize it, and it sets you free. Is it delivered with a user manual ? |
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Lionel" wrote JBorg wrote: "Lionel" wrote JBorg wrote: "Lionel" wrote JBorg wrote: Who are you to suppose that some place on the earth could be more favorised than others ? Well some towns, cities, and places on earth are ran by thugs, cutthroats, and con. Like Sodom and Gomorrah ? Yes. Is that something similar to where your at ? I am always astonished by the uniqueness of the individual but also sure of its perfect distribution. It's just a question of focal lenght. If your referring to McKelvy and Arnii, yes. Both have equal focal lenght of history with false claims and misrepresentation at Rao. Nobody in particular. Everybody in general. You ought to know. You've been here and have seen them long enough. That would denial, Lionel. It does you no good. LOL ! Seize it, and it sets you free. Is it delivered with a user manual ? No they come sets of little boxes planted with little seeds given to you once upon you were a toddler. |
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"Marc Phillips" wrote in message
Arny said: Yet after Cain kills Abel and is cast out of Eden, he complains to God that everyone who sees him will want to kill him. Uh, at that point in time, there are three people on the entire planet. OK, we've got a theological expert named Marc Phillips that believes that if someone is not specifically mentioned in the Bible, they dont' exist. So Adam and Eve had two children, and one killed the other, leaving one. Obviously you can't fathom the meaning of my post. End of discussion. |
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"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message ... "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... All the people who were there, but not named specifically. You know, like the jillions of people who were killed by Noah's flood. **Jillions? The alleged 'Noah's Flood' was likely a localised event, around the area of the Euphrates River. It probably killed a goodly number of people (a dozen to a few hundred), but certainly didn't cover the entrie planet, in the way described in the Bible. Why assume it happened at all? |
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JBorg wrote:
Lionel" wrote JBorg wrote: "Lionel" wrote JBorg wrote: "Lionel" wrote JBorg wrote: Who are you to suppose that some place on the earth could be more favorised than others ? Well some towns, cities, and places on earth are ran by thugs, cutthroats, and con. Like Sodom and Gomorrah ? Yes. Is that something similar to where your at ? Do you sincerely think that one can answer such question ? I am always astonished by the uniqueness of the individual but also sure of its perfect distribution. It's just a question of focal lenght. If your referring to McKelvy and Arnii, yes. Both have equal focal lenght of history with false claims and misrepresentation at Rao. Nobody in particular. Everybody in general. You ought to know. You've been here and have seen them long enough. I usually don't read what Arnold Krueger writes because I haven't enough interest in audio devices. But considering the tribune that the "Normals" use to offer him here, I suspect that they find an interest in his contribution. Idem McKelvy. That would denial, Lionel. It does you no good. LOL ! Seize it, and it sets you free. Is it delivered with a user manual ? No they come sets of little boxes planted with little seeds given to you once upon you were a toddler. So... I guess that my gardener wasn't very professional. |
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Arny said:
"Marc Phillips" wrote in message Arny said: Yet after Cain kills Abel and is cast out of Eden, he complains to God that everyone who sees him will want to kill him. Uh, at that point in time, there are three people on the entire planet. OK, we've got a theological expert named Marc Phillips that believes that if someone is not specifically mentioned in the Bible, they dont' exist. So Adam and Eve had two children, and one killed the other, leaving one. Obviously you can't fathom the meaning of my post. End of discussion. Spoken like a true ostrich, er, I mean Christian. LOL! Boon |
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Maybe he's talking about the unknown effects of a black hole on matter and
energy. Dimensions are the continua in which we measure things, and if the laws of physics change -- which they most assuredly do within a black hole's event horizon -- then one might say "varying dimensions" if one meant "unpredictable results of measuring". Of course, this isn't how a scientifically oriented person would refer to these unknown phenomena. What he said!! I mean that many unknown things can/may happen under certain circumstances that we may/may not know about yet..the same way we didn't know about DNA, viruses..etc. It's not accurate to say that we "know." John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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Actually, could you trim yours a little less? The way you post, you can't tell who you're talking to. I am trying to speak generally...not snipe at individuals..sorry. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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I think that if one tends to be irrational in one area, they may be in
others as well. True in areas where the actual factsd are final and indisputable. Otherwise I would say it is opinion. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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What type of reaction should be expected if an individual claims to you that
green ink pen painted around the edges of a compact disc enhances the sound produce by his audio system ? This can be objectively verified. John A. Chiara SOS Recording Studio Live Sound Inc. Albany, NY www.sosrecording.net 518-449-1637 |
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"JBorg" wrote in message
. com What type of reaction should be expected if an individual claims to you that green ink pen painted around the edges of a compact disc enhances the sound produce by his audio system ? The experienced Usenet poster notices the overwhelming odor of trolling and ignores or dismisses the post. |
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"Sander deWaal" wrote in message
(Blind Joni) said: I'm not defending the literal story but Adam and Eve were told to have many children...over hundreds of years. Why is there no mention of that in the Bible or in one of the other books/documents that are left? But there are by implication, for see Marc Phillips' comments about apparent contradictions. It's strange that the Bible sometimes gives very detailed information about insignificant things, while other relevant information isn't there. Deification of judgment call about what is important noted. |
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:56:39 +0100, Sander deWaal
wrote: (Blind Joni) said: It's much easier to sum up the bad that religion brought upon us, don't you think? ;-) Easier to find information on..just like the news of today..how much of that is good news? And what is the cause of most bad news today? Hint: it isn't just Bush . Right. Most of the time, it boils down to lack of bush. It *is* a male-dominated world, right? One day in the far future, it might boil down to a lack of dick. |
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"Paul Dormer" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" emitted : Yet after Cain kills Abel and is cast out of Eden, he complains to God that everyone who sees him will want to kill him. Uh, at that point in time, there are three people on the entire planet. OK, we've got a theological expert named Marc Phillips that believes that if someone is not specifically mentioned in the Bible, they dont' exist. So Adam and Eve had two children, and one killed the other, leaving one. Obviously you can't fathom the meaning of my post. End of discussion. Very Khristian attitude you got there.. Ignorance of The Sermon On The Mount, noted. |
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"Arny Krueger" said:
I'm not defending the literal story but Adam and Eve were told to have many children...over hundreds of years. Why is there no mention of that in the Bible or in one of the other books/documents that are left? But there are by implication, for see Marc Phillips' comments about apparent contradictions. How come you don't shout "prove it!" in church during sermon? -- Sander de Waal " SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. " |
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