"Chuck Harris" wrote in message
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Phil Allison wrote:
"Chuck Harris" wrote in message
...

Phil Allison wrote:


So,again,why *are* you here Phil?


** It's a public forum - I have on topic stuff to say.

Others can take a ****ing hike if they don't like that.


.............. Phil


You say you have, "on topic stuff to say", but no one seems to want to
hear it, so again, why ARE you here?



** Read my post again - real slowly - like it's 5 wpm Morse.


Then take that hike yourself.

Thank you, I like hiking, so I try to get out most every day.


But again, you hate everyone on this newsgroup.


** Unsupported assertion.


You think we are all idiots.


** See above.

You hate hams.


** Oink, oink.

You hate tubes.


** False assertion.


And think tube users are losers.


** See above.

See previous explanation - read at 1 wpm Morse rate.



............. Phil

Chuck Harris wrote in news:blnomj$g2q$1
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Phil Allison wrote:
"Chuck Harris" wrote in message
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Phil Allison wrote:


So,again,why *are* you here Phil?


** It's a public forum - I have on topic stuff to say.

Others can take a ****ing hike if they don't like that.


.............. Phil


You say you have, "on topic stuff to say", but no one seems to want to
hear it, so again, why ARE you here?



** Read my post again - real slowly - like it's 5 wpm Morse.


Then take that hike yourself.

Thank you, I like hiking, so I try to get out most every day.

But again, you hate everyone on this newsgroup. You think we are
all idiots. You hate hams. You hate tubes. And think tube users
are losers.

So why ARE you here?

-Chuck, WA3UQV



How the hell anyone could hate any group and especially Amateur Radio Ops
is beyond me. I used to work on HAM rigs and got to know quite a few
personally. Nicest bunch of people I had the priviledge to meet. The
most impressive shack I ever saw was a guy who did rtty. He had a
complete Teletype ASR/KSR model 28? in his basement. Tape reader and all.
Huge machine! How the hell he got it down there is beyond me. I think it
came from a API press office.

r


--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

"Fred Nachbaur"


** You did not answer my question - Fred.

Is Pat a worse turd than you ??

I know all about Pat Turner - so the answer will put you into
perspective.





............. Phil

"Rich Andrews"


How the hell anyone could hate any group


** What ??? Even the Nazis, Scientologists, child molesters ......


and especially Amateur Radio Ops is beyond me.


** Seems that a very great deal is beyond you - Rich.



I used to work on HAM rigs and got to know quite a few
personally. Nicest bunch of people I had the priviledge to meet.


** What was your reference ?



BTW What others say is NOT fact about me.

I stand by my own posts 100 % but cannot be responsible for
any others.




............ Phil

Phil Allison wrote:
"Fred Nachbaur"


** You did not answer my question - Fred.

Is Pat a worse turd than you ??

I know all about Pat Turner - so the answer will put you into
perspective.





............ Phil

Hail King Phil, Pleasant salutations all-mighty genius King Phil!

I reserve the right to answer any post I feel like answering. And to
ignore any I don't feel like answering. As it happens, you're in luck; I
choose to answer this one.

My answer is summarized succinctly and eloquently by one of my favourite
poets, at the URL below:

http://tinyurl.com/pfyf

Cheers,
Fred

PS - Oh, I almost forgot:

Yes Phil!, Of course Phil, Affirmative Phil, your majesty. How could we
be so stupid Phil, You are a genius Phil, Thanks for your insights Phil,
We are wrong, you are so right Phil. Please excuse us while we go
outside and kill ourselves Phil, for we are but mere insectoids compared
to your infinitely superior intellect, wisdom and wit!
--
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| Music: http://www3.telus.net/dogstarmusic/ |
| Projects, Vacuum Tubes & other stuff: |
| http://www.dogstar.dantimax.dk |
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Phil Allison wrote:
[...]

I stand by my own posts 100 % but cannot be responsible for
any others.

Hail King Phil, Pleasant salutations all-mighty genius King Phil!

Especially highly intelligent and witty posts like this one:
http://tinyurl.com/pfyf

Cheers,
Fred
--
+--------------------------------------------+
| Music: http://www3.telus.net/dogstarmusic/ |
| Projects, Vacuum Tubes & other stuff: |
| http://www.dogstar.dantimax.dk |
+--------------------------------------------+

On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 12:20:09 +1000, the highly esteemed Phil Allison
enlightened us with these pearls of wisdom:


"Fred Nachbaur"


** You did not answer my question - Fred.

Is Pat a worse turd than you ??

I know all about Pat Turner - so the answer will put you into
perspective.





............ Phil

Phil? I'm sorry, I forgot you were still here. You may go now...
RE-PLONK

--
Greg

--The software said it requires Win2000 or better, so I installed Linux.

"Greg Pierce"



** The Trailer Trash man is back making a fool of himself.

Any friend of Pat or Fred is an enemy of society.




.......... Phil

Phil Allison wrote:


any friend of Pat or Fred is an enemy of society.


I consider them my friends,
Phil whereas you are not even up to
the calibre of Jean Turcaud. Just
out of interest, what is your contribution
to audio technology?.


regards
Mark

There used to be a great post
on how Phil/Phool cheats in debates.
I used to be able to Google:

"Phil Allison" dickhead

to find it but now it's disappeared,also

"Phil Allison" "How to cheat in debates"

doesn't seem to work either, can anyone help?

Regards
Mark

"Mark Harriss" wrote in message
news
Phil Allison wrote:


any friend of Pat or Fred is an enemy of society.


I consider them my friends,


** So you admit to being an autistic ****wit as well.


Just out of interest, what is your contribution to audio technology?


** Outing lying arseholes like them.






............ Phil




regards
Mark

Mark Harriss wrote in news:rLTfb.137519
:


There used to be a great post
on how Phil/Phool cheats in debates.
I used to be able to Google:

"Phil Allison" dickhead

to find it but now it's disappeared,also

"Phil Allison" "How to cheat in debates"

doesn't seem to work either, can anyone help?

Regards
Mark


Mark,

Did you search google groups?

r


--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

"Mark Harriss" wrote in message
...

There used to be a great post
on how Phil/Phool cheats in debates.


** The cheat is YOU mark - all abuse and no facts.

One does not debate criminals like you Mark - one ****ing screws
them.




.............. Phil

"Phil Allison" wrote in message . au...
"Nothing40" wrote in message
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"Phil Allison" wrote in message
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Pat is a mental defective and hence devoid of moral character - but
maybe you outclass him. How do you see the comparison ?


Wow,every post from Patrick Turner I have ever seen has been the
complete opposite.


** Never been to aus.hi-fi have you ?

That is where he craps on about stuff he ought not to and comes all
undone.


Been there a few times,I don't frequent that group tho.



He obviously has enough moral character to know your an
arsehole,granted it doesn't take much to figure that out.


** It takes very little character to jump to a wrong conclusion - but a
great deal of stupidity.


I agree,but this wasn't a conclusion that was "jumped to". It's
universally known that you are an ass,and an idiot. Ask anyone.



Fred is much the same way.


** Now that might be right - birds of a feather and all that ....


Yup,us idiotic smelly turds tend to be pretty similar.. You must
really like the smell? Thats all that seems to come from your mouth.


Both of these guys offer alot of knowledge,and help to others,


** They also like to crush anyone who has a different angle on things to
them.


Wow,You must be psychic.I was just going to say the same about you!



BTW Why do you suppose so many complete assholes are besotted with
"tubes" ??? "

Hmm,It seems you have it all backwards.


** No you do - Mr Anonymous tubewit.

AGA and RAT are shining examples of the correlation between pompous
empty heads and vacuums.


I'm not that anonamous,Look around. Yea,I'm a tubewit,but thats still
10 times more wit than you.



WTH does an asshole like you have any business hanging arond here with us
idiotic,asshole
tube-o-philes,if you think we are all idiots,and tubes are completely
worthless??


** Now you have trouble reading as well as comprehending.


Me? Nope. Seems you are projecting yourself onto others
again.Your opinions of people are identical to peoples opinions of
you. Read what you have written.


So,again,why *are* you here Phil?



** It's a public forum - I have on topic stuff to say.

Others can take a ****ing hike if they don't like that.



Find me one post that was on topic! Start saying something useful,or
STFU.

Still here huh? God,I dunno how you can stand the stench....

"Nothing40" wrote in message
om...


Pat is a mental defective and hence devoid of moral character -
but
maybe you outclass him. How do you see the comparison ?


Wow,every post from Patrick Turner I have ever seen has been the
complete opposite.


** Never been to aus.hi-fi have you ?

That is where he craps on about stuff he ought not to and comes
all
undone.


Been there a few times,I don't frequent that group tho.


** Thank god.



He obviously has enough moral character to know your an
arsehole,granted it doesn't take much to figure that out.


** It takes very little character to jump to a wrong conclusion -
but a
great deal of stupidity.


I agree,but this wasn't a conclusion that was "jumped to".


** Yes it was.


It'suniversally known that you are an ass,and an idiot. Ask anyone.


** Well, clearly you did - ask just anyone that is - then jumped to
the conclusion.



** No you do - Mr Anonymous tubewit.

AGA and RAT are shining examples of the correlation between pompous
empty heads and vacuums.


I'm not that anonamous,Look around.



** Fake name - no facts - all mindless bull**** - can't even
spell.

Yep - a vacuum head in anyone's book.




So,again,why *are* you here Phil?

** It's a public forum - I have on topic stuff to say.

Others can take a ****ing hike if they don't like that.


Find me one post that was on topic!


** All my posts are on topic - it is yours that are not.





............. Phil

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Then consider me Public Enemy #1. Fred & Pat have more integrity &
knowledge in their little toe than you will ever have in your entire
lifetime, you pathetic loser.

From: "Phil Allison"
Newsgroups: rec.audio.tubes
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 20:03:33 +1000
Subject: Fred the Turd ?


"Greg Pierce"



** The Trailer Trash man is back making a fool of himself.

Any friend of Pat or Fred is an enemy of society.




......... Phil

"Jon Yaeger"


Then consider me Public Enemy #1.


** Maybe you are.


Fred & Pat have more integrity & knowledge in their little toe .....


** The evidence of their posts contradicts that in a most alarming way.

You are either every bit as bad as them, completely stupid, or a
emotional fool.

How do you want to be known ?





............... Phil

"Jon Yaeger"


** So you are a complete fool.




......... Phil

From you? Take your pick . . . or all 3 if you like. I consider your
disfavor to be a great compliment by association with all of the others.

And, lest I forget:

"Hail King Phil, Pleasant salutations all-mighty genius King Phil!

Yes Phil!, Of course Phil, Affirmative Phil, your majesty. How could we
be so stupid Phil, You are a genius Phil, Thanks for your insights Phil,
We are wrong, you are so right Phil. Please excuse us while we go
outside and kill ourselves Phil, for we are but mere insectoids compared
to your infinitely superior intellect, wisdom and wit!"



From: "Phil Allison"
Newsgroups: rec.audio.tubes
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:34:09 +1000
Subject: Fred the Turd ?


"Jon Yaeger"


Then consider me Public Enemy #1.


** Maybe you are.


Fred & Pat have more integrity & knowledge in their little toe .....


** The evidence of their posts contradicts that in a most alarming way.

You are either every bit as bad as them, completely stupid, or a
emotional fool.

How do you want to be known ?





.............. Phil

"Hail King Phil, Pleasant salutations all-mighty genius King Phil!

Yes Phil!, Of course Phil, Affirmative Phil, your majesty. How could we
be so stupid Phil, You are a genius Phil, Thanks for your insights Phil,
We are wrong, you are so right Phil. Please excuse us while we go
outside and kill ourselves Phil, for we are but mere insectoids compared
to your infinitely superior intellect, wisdom and wit!"

Mark,

Did you search google groups?

r


`Hi Rich, yes I had a look last night
with no success, you can find references to
"How to cheat in debates" but no actual list
as such.

Mark

Mark Harriss wrote in :


Mark,

Did you search google groups?

r


`Hi Rich, yes I had a look last night
with no success, you can find references to
"How to cheat in debates" but no actual list
as such.

Mark


Maybe this is the article you were referring to.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%2...ond.com&rnum=1

"There are at least ten recognised and popular ways of cheating in a
discussion or debate - some are so common they seem quite normal until the
fallacy is pointed out. Here is my list:


1. Argue from the particular to the general.

Reason that if a thing is true in a particular example then it is true
in general. There may be little similarity between your example and the
point in debate but your opponent will have to prove this unless he spots
the fallacy. If he does then feign incomprehension.

2. Argue from the general to the particular.

Reason that if a thing is generally true then it must be true in the
particular case in question. Refuse to agree that any special circumstances
apply to the subject in debate. If your opponent points out the fallacy of
generalisations then complain that he is making a generalisation.


3. Beg the question.

Make a statement that can only be true if the debate has already been
resolved in your favour, ie use your opinion to prove your opinion. Totally
confounds the debate if the fallacy is not spotted by your opponent. If it
is, state that everyone is entitled to their opinion.

4. Change the subject.

Done nonchalantly so your opponent doesn't notice this will pull the rug
out from under him. If he realises and complains, pretend your new subject
is the one under debate.

5. Quote the absent expert.

Declare an absent party to be an expert who supports your case. He
possibly isn't an expert or wouldn't in fact support you but your opponent
cannot debate this person or yourself on the point since he is not
available.

6. Argue from a position of ignorance.

This is a powerful technique that operates on the principle that
ignorance is knowledge. It works like this, because you don't know a certain
proposition is false then you are entitled to presume it is true. Almost
anything you like can be "proved" with this technique.

7. Produce a straw man.

Propose an example or analogy to the debate that has an obvious outcome
in your favour, ie a "straw man" that can easily be knocked down. The
analogy can be highly flawed but your opponent may be trapped into proving
the straw man has no weight.

8. Make opinions into facts.

Claim anything you like is a fact, provide no supporting evidence or
arguement and pretend that your opponent must disprove it immediately or
else agree it is true. Also be sure to ignore his facts no matter how well
supported. This will test his patience sorely and may cause him to make
errors.


9. Produce a red herring.

Make a statement of known fact that appears to be relevant and has the
potential to confuse the issue. An effective red herring relies on your
opponent's failure to realise that it is not relevant to the debate. If he
does, then accuse him of ignoring the facts.

10. Insult your opponent.

If all else fails, your opponent is calm and rational, spots your traps
and exposes your fallacies and distractions every time then resort to using
sneers, derision and personal jibes. Your opponent may lose his temper and
that means you win!

---------------------------------------------------------


Postscript.


It is possible to combine two or more of the above techniques for
increased power to prove anything. By combining #1 and #2 you can argue from
the particular to the particular, that is use one example to prove something
about another unrelated one.

Better still, quote an example only you know about as this makes you the
expert. If your opponent falls into the trap of asking questions about the
example then you are in a position to say whatever you like.

A proficient cheat employs all the above techniques in every debate. He
jumps easily from one fallacy to the next in order to keep his opponent from
making any headway. He may not convince his opponent of anything that he is
saying but will have the satisfaction of having done most of the talking and
kept control over the discussion.

When the opponent becomes annoyed with this "barrage of bull****" the
cheat will call the debate off saying that: "we are just going around in
circles" which is of course not only true but was his real aim all along.
This is known as having the last word, a form of parting blow or insult. A
cheat knows that you never lose a debate that YOU finish!


But most of you aready know all this.

Regards, Phil"

--
Nothing beats the bandwidth of a station wagon filled with DLT tapes.

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
u...

"Jon Yaeger"


Then consider me Public Enemy #1.


** Maybe you are.


Fred & Pat have more integrity & knowledge in their little toe .....


** The evidence of their posts contradicts that in a most alarming
way.

You are either every bit as bad as them, completely stupid, or a
emotional fool.

How do you want to be known ?


Some people call me Speedo
But my real name is Mr.Earl.

Shiva wrote:
[...]
How do you want to be known ?



Some people call me Speedo
But my real name is Mr.Earl.

LOL! Some people call me the Space Cowboy, some call me the Gangster of
Love, some people call me Maurice, 'cuz I speak of the pompitous of love....

Cheers,
(what was my name again?)
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| Music: http://www3.telus.net/dogstarmusic/ |
| Projects, Vacuum Tubes & other stuff: |
| http://www.dogstar.dantimax.dk |
+--------------------------------------------+

"Fred Nachbaur" wrote in message
news:tfehb.4$XS4.0@edtnps84...


Shiva wrote:
[...]
How do you want to be known ?



Some people call me Speedo
But my real name is Mr.Earl.

LOL! Some people call me the Space Cowboy, some call me the Gangster of
Love, some people call me Maurice, 'cuz I speak of the pompitous of
love....

Cheers,
(what was my name again?)

My name is RICHARD,
But YOU can call me DICK!
-Killdozer
(after I finish restorin' a tile floor & 2 tin tubs, I'll pst a couple of
mky 807 projects for you... Never thought I'd be doing this stuff to mae
money...)
-dim

Hi Fred:

Would you believe those lyrics from Steve Miller you quoted..."some people
call me Maurice, 'cuz I speak of the pompitous of love...." were the
subject of a rant by Mike Fremer of Stereophile and other defunct audio
rags. The rant went something like "Why do so many people get the lyrics
wrong to so many pop songs...?" He seemed to think that ANYONE who heard
that lyric as "pompitous" either didn't have a high resolution system or
needed their ears cleaned out. Fremer states that the word is clearly
"properties", he always heard it that way and apparently verified it with
Miller himself. Although I always heard it as pompitous too, I never could
figure out what it meant since it isn't in any dictionary. After reading
Fremer's suggestion I can sort of hear the word "properties" now but it sure
is enunciated poorly. Fremer should have jumped on Miller and not the
listener.

--
Steve

On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 21:38:01 +0000, the highly esteemed Steve O'Neill
enlightened us with these pearls of wisdom:

Hi Fred:

Would you believe those lyrics from Steve Miller you quoted..."some people
call me Maurice, 'cuz I speak of the pompitous of love...." were the
subject of a rant by Mike Fremer of Stereophile and other defunct audio
rags. The rant went something like "Why do so many people get the lyrics
wrong to so many pop songs...?" He seemed to think that ANYONE who heard
that lyric as "pompitous" either didn't have a high resolution system or
needed their ears cleaned out. Fremer states that the word is clearly
"properties", he always heard it that way and apparently verified it with
Miller himself. Although I always heard it as pompitous too, I never could
figure out what it meant since it isn't in any dictionary. After reading
Fremer's suggestion I can sort of hear the word "properties" now but it sure
is enunciated poorly. Fremer should have jumped on Miller and not the
listener.

Check out this page:
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a4_065.html

--
Greg

--The software said it requires Win2000 or better, so I installed Linux.

Hi Greg and Fred:

Interesting site and etymology of the the word "pompatus" or whatever it is.
In some respects I feel vindicated because I heard "pompatus" on what I
considered hi rez systems of the time (Quad ESL57s/QII and B&W DM6/Audio
Research D76) and I have to "force" myself to hear "properties" even though
it fits the context better w/o knowing the history. Two conclusions: Trust
your ears and Fremer truly is a pompous ass. Bet he never verified the
lyric with anyone much less Miller.

--
Steve

Greg Pierce wrote in message ...

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Check out this page:
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a4_065.html

--
Greg