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Mackie Big Knob?
Anyone have any first hand knowledge of the "Big Knob"? I am wondering
about the talkback functions. A person that I don't trust too much said something to the effect that when you press the talkback button, the control room monitors DON'T DIM. I'm looking to know whether or not the talkback dims the control room. In my mind, the product would be useless if they didn't implement the talkback function properly. Thanks! -- Eric Practice Your Mixing Skills Multi-Track Masters on CD-ROM www.Raw-Tracks.com |
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EricK wrote:
Anyone have any first hand knowledge of the "Big Knob"? http://www.mackie.com/pdf/bigknob_om.pdf -- ha |
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Why mixer designers feel it's
necessary to *ever* send the talkback mic to the studio monitor buss is beyond me. In my experience the studio monitor and the control room monitor is different. As people in the studio may not always have their headphones on having the option to have talk back in the room is a good thing. --------------------------------------- "I know enough to know I don't know enough" |
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In article writes: http://www.mackie.com/pdf/bigknob_om.pdf So you're saying that Mackie has first hand knowledge of the Big Knob? Very clever observation. -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over, lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo |
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Frank Vuotto wrote:
A closer look at the block diagram shows that the talkback does not go to the Monitor A/B outputs so it's not critical that the control room monitors 'dim'. There is a mute switch but it's not activated by the TB. Also a "dim" switch, but still not activated by the TB. Still I'm going to test this knob thing out first hand when my dealer get it home (a week or 2) Regards Jan Holm |
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hank alrich wrote:
EricK wrote: Anyone have any first hand knowledge of the "Big Knob"? http://www.mackie.com/pdf/bigknob_om.pdf -- ha Thank you for the link, Hank. Don't know why I didn't think of that. Oh, wait, I did, a week ago. Couldn't find a definitive answer. Yes, maybe the answer is buried in the schematic. I must admit, my skills at reading schematics are rudimentary at best. That should not be reason to fault me for posting the question to the group. My thinking was that just because the manual doesn't specifically mention that the control room will dim when the T/B is utilized, does not mean that it doesn't dim. I take it for granted that when I press T/B, the control monitors will dim. I thought Mackie was taking that for granted as well when they wrote the manual. -- Eric Practice Your Mixing Skills Multi-Track Masters on CD-ROM www.Raw-Tracks.com |
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Mike Rivers wrote: http://www.mackie.com/pdf/bigknob_om.pdf So you're saying that Mackie has first hand knowledge of the Big Knob? Very clever observation. But it's alleged that they tried to cover it up. |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
walkinay writes: http://www.mackie.com/pdf/bigknob_om.pdf So you're saying that Mackie has first hand knowledge of the Big Knob? Just a so-called thought. Very clever observation. Even a blind pig finds an acorn now and then. -- ha |
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EricK wrote:
Thank you for the link, Hank. Don't know why I didn't think of that. Oh, wait, I did, a week ago. Couldn't find a definitive answer. Yes, maybe the answer is buried in the schematic. I must admit, my skills at reading schematics are rudimentary at best. That should not be reason to fault me for posting the question to the group. I didn't intend to fault you in any way; I didn't have time to download the manual and read it to see if I could find an answer. I saw no mention that you'd found the manual, so I offered a pointer. (Don't mind Mike; he tunes his banjo with WD40.) -- ha |
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Anyone have any first hand knowledge of the "Big Knob"?
Yes, I just bought one for a project that involves setting up a DAW in the artists' rehearsal space. I am wondering about the talkback functions. A person that I don't trust too much said something to the effect that when you press the talkback button, the control room monitors DON'T DIM. I'm looking to know whether or not the talkback dims the control room. The talkback does not dim the control monitors. In my mind, the product would be useless if they didn't implement the talkback function properly. I personally am extremely pleased that talkback does not dim the monitors because it is now possible to carry on a 2 way conversation with the talent while the producer is mindlessly holding the talkback down. Scott Fraser |
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Another dumb talk back implementation. Why mixer designers feel it's
necessary to *ever* send the talkback mic to the studio monitor buss is beyond me. Well, it's very hard for musicians who aren't using headphones (as in at least 50% of the acoustic sessions I do) to hear you when talkback DOESN'T go to the studio monitors. Scott Fraser |
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In this place, Mike Rivers was recorded saying ...
(Don't mind Mike; he tunes his banjo with WD40.) I've thought of trying it on the banjo with the wood tuning pegs. They keep sticking. If only they'd stick with the banjo IN tune. Mike - surely you know that WD40 will leave a sticky residue behind. You should only use Kailube on an instrument as delicate as a banjo. VBG -- George Newcastle, England Problems worthy of attack Prove their worth, by hitting back [Piet Hein] |
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In article znr1090408089k@trad, Mike Rivers wrote:
In article writes: (Don't mind Mike; he tunes his banjo with WD40.) I've thought of trying it on the banjo with the wood tuning pegs. They keep sticking. If only they'd stick with the banjo IN tune. If you already tried candle wax and soap, how about putting a wrap of teflon pipe tape on? --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Just goes to show how much I love my Soundtracs Solo. Proper talkback. And
still I walk out of the control room and talk to the musicians because they can't see me since I don't have a control room window. They like it and I like it. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1090354812k@trad... In article writes: Another dumb talk back implementation. Why mixer designers feel it's necessary to *ever* send the talkback mic to the studio monitor buss is beyond me. Do you mean that, or do you mean the control room monitor bus? You sent talkback to the studio bacause that's where the musicians you're talking to are. Real studios have speakers in the studio so the musicians can hear playback (and talkback) without coming into the control room. You send talkback to the "aux" buses (headphone outputs in this case) because some of the musicians wear headphones. You send it to the main outputs because you can use it to slate a take. You don't send talkback to the control room monitors because it will feed back. But you DO dim the control room monitors since the studio mics are often up, and if the talkback mic picks them up and sends them back to the studio monitor speakers (or sometimes even headphones if there's enough gain) you'll get feedback through that path. -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over, lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo |
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On 21 Jul 2004 07:52:35 GMT, (ScotFraser) wrote:
Another dumb talk back implementation. Why mixer designers feel it's necessary to *ever* send the talkback mic to the studio monitor buss is beyond me. I did mean the control room monitors (but called studio monitors in the Mackie guide). I swear..... Frank /~ http://newmex.com/f10 @/ |
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Or Truffles! g
-- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "hank alrich" wrote in message .. . Mike Rivers wrote: walkinay writes: http://www.mackie.com/pdf/bigknob_om.pdf So you're saying that Mackie has first hand knowledge of the Big Knob? Just a so-called thought. Very clever observation. Even a blind pig finds an acorn now and then. -- ha |
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Another dumb talk back implementation. Why mixer designers feel it's
necessary to *ever* send the talkback mic to the studio monitor buss is beyond me. I did mean the control room monitors (but called studio monitors in the Mackie guide). I swear..... OK, a reasonable outrage at an incorrect use of terminology by Mackie. In fact, the talkback does not go to the control room speakers on this product, in any of its several monitoring modes, nor have I seen any implementation of talkback in any mixing desk that does. Scott Fraser |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
In article writes: (Don't mind Mike; he tunes his banjo with WD40.) I've thought of trying it on the banjo with the wood tuning pegs. They keep sticking. If only they'd stick with the banjo IN tune. I used to have a stick of some blackish-brown compound for my violin pegs that worked fairly well. |
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I thought I posted a follow up but maybe it didn't make it to Usenet, it said this: Yes, you're correct of course. I was thrown off because the Mackie Operational Guide uses the term 'studio monitors' for both the control room monitors and the recording room monitors. A closer look at the block diagram shows that the talkback does not go to the Monitor A/B outputs so it's not critical that the control room monitors 'dim'. There is a mute switch but it's not activated by the TB. On 21 Jul 2004 17:16:59 GMT, (ScotFraser) wrote: OK, a reasonable outrage at an incorrect use of terminology by Mackie. In fact, the talkback does not go to the control room speakers on this product, in any of its several monitoring modes, nor have I seen any implementation of talkback in any mixing desk that does. Scott Fraser I've used a 24 ch Tascam (and I believe an older Mackie) that sent the built in talkback mic only to the stereo output (?) and the front panel headphone jack(?). There was no way to route it to an aux bus. Frank /~ http://newmex.com/f10 @/ |
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George Perfect wrote:
In this place, Mike Rivers was recorded saying ... (Don't mind Mike; he tunes his banjo with WD40.) I've thought of trying it on the banjo with the wood tuning pegs. They keep sticking. If only they'd stick with the banjo IN tune. Mike - surely you know that WD40 will leave a sticky residue behind. It's all that silicone ..... ;-) geoff |
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Roger W. Norman wrote:
Just goes to show how much I love my Soundtracs Solo. Proper talkback. And still I walk out of the control room and talk to the musicians because they can't see me since I don't have a control room window. They like it and I like it. What ? They like it that you don't have a window, so can't see you unless you take the trouble to walk out ... ;-) geoff |
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In this place, Mike Rivers was recorded saying ...
Tapping them on the small end of the taper usually frees them up, but that gets the whole banjo out of tune. But then, who cares? What's more, who'd notice? ;^) -- George Newcastle, England Problems worthy of attack Prove their worth, by hitting back [Piet Hein] |
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Who wants to look at me? Besides, I'm sitting in here shaking my head when
I hear mistakes, so I don't want them stopping because of me. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote in message ... Roger W. Norman wrote: Just goes to show how much I love my Soundtracs Solo. Proper talkback. And still I walk out of the control room and talk to the musicians because they can't see me since I don't have a control room window. They like it and I like it. What ? They like it that you don't have a window, so can't see you unless you take the trouble to walk out ... ;-) geoff |
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And it was great for smoking! g
-- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "Kurt Albershardt" wrote in message ... Mike Rivers wrote: In article writes: (Don't mind Mike; he tunes his banjo with WD40.) I've thought of trying it on the banjo with the wood tuning pegs. They keep sticking. If only they'd stick with the banjo IN tune. I used to have a stick of some blackish-brown compound for my violin pegs that worked fairly well. |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
In article writes: (Don't mind Mike; he tunes his banjo with WD40.) I've thought of trying it on the banjo with the wood tuning pegs. They keep sticking. If only they'd stick with the banjo IN tune. -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over, lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo Banjo?... In tune?... Now THAT's funny! I once read an interview with Jimmie Vaughn in which he said about the Fabulous Thunderbirds, "We have two Fenders & a harmonica, so it's rare that we ever get really in tune." |
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What ? They like it that you don't have a window, so can't see you unless
you take the trouble to walk out ... I find some singers prefer being in a part of the tracking room where they can't be seen from the control room. Gives them a private space to perform in, I believe. Scott Fraser |
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I've used a 24 ch Tascam (and I believe an older Mackie) that sent the
built in talkback mic only to the stereo output (?) and the front panel headphone jack(?). There was no way to route it to an aux bus. Did they have a separate control room feed? Sounds more like a PA desk, & a not very versatile one at that. Scott Fraser |
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At least
I got them to label the button "Polarity" instead of "Phase" on d8b Version 3 software. Thank you. And now we know that this Rivers idiot IS for real. g Scott Fraser |
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ScotFraser wrote:
I personally am extremely pleased that talkback does not dim the monitors because it is now possible to carry on a 2 way conversation with the talent while the producer is mindlessly holding the talkback down. Scott Fraser Can you elaborate on that? I'm not sure I follow. How do you keep the control room monitors from feeding back while the producer mindlessly holds down the talkback? -- Eric Practice Your Mixing Skills Multi-Track Masters on CD-ROM www.Raw-Tracks.com |
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On 21 Jul 2004 18:11:43 -0400, Mike Rivers wrote:
In article writes: I used to have a stick of some blackish-brown compound for my violin pegs that worked fairly well. I've seen violin players use rosin. But that's to make them stick. I need to make them unstick so I can turn them. Tapping them on the small end of the taper usually frees them up, but that gets the whole banjo out of tune. But then, who cares? Beeswax. Buy it from a woodworking supplier, as it's generally cheaper than some of the other varieties. Should be sticky enough to hold, but pliable. |
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ScotFraser wrote:
OK, a reasonable outrage at an incorrect use of terminology by Mackie. They need Rivers. -- ha |
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Well, it's also a point of my being a far less than stellar recording
facility, especially with the remodel, so what's the point? I want these guys coming in and playing music like they normally do, not playing to an audience of the recording system. Puts people at ease far more quickly. Also one of the reasons I don't have one of those red recording lights in the studio. I had way too many problems with red light syndrome. Ah, who cares. I think I'm just going to buy the local hardware store and be done with this stuff. Then again it's got 2300 sq ft of empty space with 18 foot ceilings in the basement with an elevator! g I'm always thinking. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "ScotFraser" wrote in message ... What ? They like it that you don't have a window, so can't see you unless you take the trouble to walk out ... I find some singers prefer being in a part of the tracking room where they can't be seen from the control room. Gives them a private space to perform in, I believe. Scott Fraser |
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