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News article about large recording studios closing due to home
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News article about large recording studios closing due to home recording: So what else is new? I read about that in Mix 15 years ago. |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
jwvm wrote: News article about large recording studios closing due to home recording: So what else is new? I read about that in Mix 15 years ago. It also super simplfies things, overlooking that sales are way down and hence there is far less money for recording, home studios or no home studios. Moreover, "home studio" is some cases is a full-on professional installation in an artist's abode. -- ha shut up and play your guitar http://www.armadillomusicproductions...rryMeHome.html http://hankalrich.com/ |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
jwvm wrote: News article about large recording studios closing due to home recording: So what else is new? I read about that in Mix 15 years ago. I think also it has a lot to do with the kinds of acts being recorded today. There aren't many times today when you see a singer being fronted by a 30-piece band. Consequently, there's a lot less of a need for big rooms designed for that kind of work. I think this is a shame. The home studio thing is a good thing, but the lack of big orchestras is a bad one. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Another very important cause for studios shutting down is the high
value of real estate in urban centers, particularly NY and LA. There's always something more profitable you can use the square feet for than a recording studio. Peace, Paul |
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Laurence Payne wrote: On 25 Dec 2009 13:11:17 -0500, (Scott Dorsey) wrote: There aren't many times today when you see a singer being fronted by a 30-piece band. Interesting way of putting it! Way back when, the band was the star and "vocal refrain by..." was added in parentheses. But generally now the singer fronts, the band backs. You know, just the other night some friends were discussing the arrangement of Amy Winehouse's _Rehab_ song. It's actually a catchy pop song with a really nice arrangement; I'd love to hear it performed with a real band. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:57:50 -0800 (PST), PStamler wrote:
Another very important cause for studios shutting down is the high value of real estate in urban centers, particularly NY and LA. There's always something more profitable you can use the square feet for than a recording studio. Peace, Paul Yea... Another Korean produce market. At least in NYC. Must be a hell of a lot of money in produce because these things are sometimes 3 to a block in NYC. |
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On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 00:57:50 -0500, PStamler wrote
(in article ): Another very important cause for studios shutting down is the high value of real estate in urban centers, particularly NY and LA. There's always something more profitable you can use the square feet for than a recording studio. Peace, Paul +1 on pretty much what everyone has said. I'm not sure there were a lot of 30 piece bands in the 70s, 80s in rock. The major label system was in place and "that's the way things were done"; big (by today's standards) studios. I was writing articles for a video trade magazine that covered the mid-atlantic. I became the "grim reaper"; the guy who wrote the articles about the closing of this or that video facility. In many of their cases, they no longer needed the wide hallways and huge rooms they had built in the 1980s, but their landlords were sometimes very tough on their idea of downsizing. Not to denigrate a proper recording facility, but a lotta good music has been produced in houses. Lets start a list: The Band - Big Pink Regards, Ty Ford --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA |
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Ty Ford wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 00:57:50 -0500, PStamler wrote (in article ): Another very important cause for studios shutting down is the high value of real estate in urban centers, particularly NY and LA. There's always something more profitable you can use the square feet for than a recording studio. Peace, Paul +1 on pretty much what everyone has said. I'm not sure there were a lot of 30 piece bands in the 70s, 80s in rock. The major label system was in place and "that's the way things were done"; big (by today's standards) studios. I was writing articles for a video trade magazine that covered the mid-atlantic. I became the "grim reaper"; the guy who wrote the articles about the closing of this or that video facility. In many of their cases, they no longer needed the wide hallways and huge rooms they had built in the 1980s, but their landlords were sometimes very tough on their idea of downsizing. Not to denigrate a proper recording facility, but a lotta good music has been produced in houses. Lets start a list: The Band - Big Pink Was largely a studio album. The work/demo tapes, later released as The Basement Tapes, were recorded at the house. Regards, Ty Ford --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA -- ha shut up and play your guitar http://www.armadillomusicproductions...rryMeHome.html http://hankalrich.com/ |
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Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:57:50 -0800 (PST), PStamler wrote: Another very important cause for studios shutting down is the high value of real estate in urban centers, particularly NY and LA. There's always something more profitable you can use the square feet for than a recording studio. Peace, Paul Yea... Another Korean produce market. At least in NYC. Must be a hell of a lot of money in produce because these things are sometimes 3 to a block in NYC. Either than or immigrants will suffer margins natives would not. Marimba player Jingchen Sun's parents are immigrants. She's at Julliard. Her parents sold the house to buy her a marimba. The PBS people all called this "a sacrifice"; I'd say it looks more like "an investment". It's just a different way of looking at the world. -- Les Cargill |
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On Fri 2037-Dec-25 13:11, Scott Dorsey writes:
recorded today. There aren't many times today when you see a singer being fronted by a 30-piece band. Consequently, there's a lot less of a need for big rooms designed for that kind of work. That's lamentable too. Rare to find a quality room with enough room to really develop such things as drum sounds imho. Also, rare to find a quality room with a piano which is well maintained. INstead of recording something in a room where the sound develops naturally and capturing it well we add artificial reverb and record the damned thing in a closet hrrrumph. I think this is a shame. The home studio thing is a good thing, but the lack of big orchestras is a bad one. Agreed, you had to learn to play with dynamics, and to be part of an ensemble to play with them. Becoming a lost art. Regards, Richard -- | Remove .my.foot for email | via Waldo's Place USA Fidonet-Internet Gateway Site | Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own. |
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On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:27:20 -0500, Les Cargill wrote:
Moshe Goldfarb wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:57:50 -0800 (PST), PStamler wrote: Another very important cause for studios shutting down is the high value of real estate in urban centers, particularly NY and LA. There's always something more profitable you can use the square feet for than a recording studio. Peace, Paul Yea... Another Korean produce market. At least in NYC. Must be a hell of a lot of money in produce because these things are sometimes 3 to a block in NYC. Either than or immigrants will suffer margins natives would not. Marimba player Jingchen Sun's parents are immigrants. She's at Julliard. Her parents sold the house to buy her a marimba. The PBS people all called this "a sacrifice"; I'd say it looks more like "an investment". It's just a different way of looking at the world. How much fruit can a person buy? NYC has always had immigrants, at the turn of the century they in fact were the cheap labor that built the city. That included my parents. The living in the back of the store and working 24x7 stereotype only goes so far when rents are $20,000 per month along with all the other costs of living in NYC. It all just doesn't add up and many people who were born and raised in NYC will tell you that something is going on. The popular theories are the underground economy, lack of proper paying of taxes, money laundering etc. |
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On Dec 26, 2:00*pm, (hank alrich) wrote:
Ty Ford wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 00:57:50 -0500, PStamler wrote (in article ): Another very important cause for studios shutting down is the high value of real estate in urban centers, particularly NY and LA. There's always something more profitable you can use the square feet for than a recording studio. Peace, Paul +1 on pretty much what everyone has said. I'm not sure there were a lot of 30 piece bands in the 70s, 80s in rock. The major label system was in place and "that's the way things were done"; big (by today's standards) studios. I was writing articles for a video trade magazine that covered the mid-atlantic. I became the "grim reaper"; the guy who wrote the articles about the closing of this or that video facility. In many of their cases, they no longer needed the wide hallways and huge rooms they had built in the 1980s, but their landlords were sometimes very tough on their idea of downsizing. Not to denigrate a proper recording facility, but a lotta good music has been produced in houses. Lets start a list: The Band - Big Pink Was largely a studio album. The work/demo tapes, later released as The Basement Tapes, were recorded at the house. The Band's second album, though, simply called "The Band", was mostly recorded in a house in LA, which I believe Capitol rented from Sammy Davis, Jr. Peace, Paul |
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PStamler wrote:
The Band's second album, though, simply called "The Band", was mostly recorded in a house in LA, which I believe Capitol rented from Sammy Davis, Jr. Probably not a lot of difference between that and a Capitol studio other than no reverb chambers in the basement. Some of these "home studios" where well paying artists record are pretty sophisticated, and even come equipped with engineers, maintenance techs, and ProTools operators. They aren't all like Les Paul. |
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On Dec 25, 10:01*am, Mike Rivers wrote:
jwvm wrote: News article about large recording studios closing due to home recording: So what else is new? I read about that in Mix 15 years ago. Well, no one outside of the audio world reads Mix, so it's telling the rest of the world. And the article is a bit better than a rehash of how things looked 15 years ago, at least for the intended reader. |
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On Dec 26, 4:29*pm, Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:27:20 -0500, Les Cargill wrote: Moshe Goldfarb wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:57:50 -0800 (PST), PStamler wrote: Another very important cause for studios shutting down is the high value of real estate in urban centers, particularly NY and LA. There's always something more profitable you can use the square feet for than a recording studio. Peace, Paul Yea... Another Korean produce market. At least in NYC. Must be a hell of a lot of money in produce because these things are sometimes 3 to a block in NYC. Either than or immigrants will suffer margins natives would not. Marimba player Jingchen Sun's parents are immigrants. She's at Julliard. Her parents sold the house to buy her a marimba. The PBS people all called this "a sacrifice"; I'd say it looks more like "an investment". It's just a different way of looking at the world. How much fruit can a person buy? NYC has always had immigrants, at the turn of the century they in fact were the cheap labor that built the city. That included my parents. The living in the back of the store and working 24x7 stereotype only goes so far when rents are $20,000 per month along with all the other costs of living in NYC. It all just doesn't add up and many people who were born and raised in NYC will tell you that something is going on. The popular theories are the underground economy, lack of proper paying of taxes, money laundering etc. It's not that there's such a killing to be made in fruit stores, it's just that they're the ones with the network to create something out of a raw space the easiest, with the least investment risk. Real estate in NYC is in the pits,and has been for quite some time. The markets are in small, storefront spaces, not exactly recording studio potential anyway. All the NYC studios I knew that no longer exist were in big buildings and you took an elevator to get to the door. Never saw a fruit stand takeover any of those spaces : ) |
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On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:05:44 -0800 (PST), vdubreeze wrote:
On Dec 26, 4:29*pm, Moshe Goldfarb wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:27:20 -0500, Les Cargill wrote: Moshe Goldfarb wrote: On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 21:57:50 -0800 (PST), PStamler wrote: Another very important cause for studios shutting down is the high value of real estate in urban centers, particularly NY and LA. There's always something more profitable you can use the square feet for than a recording studio. Peace, Paul Yea... Another Korean produce market. At least in NYC. Must be a hell of a lot of money in produce because these things are sometimes 3 to a block in NYC. Either than or immigrants will suffer margins natives would not. Marimba player Jingchen Sun's parents are immigrants. She's at Julliard. Her parents sold the house to buy her a marimba. The PBS people all called this "a sacrifice"; I'd say it looks more like "an investment". It's just a different way of looking at the world. How much fruit can a person buy? NYC has always had immigrants, at the turn of the century they in fact were the cheap labor that built the city. That included my parents. The living in the back of the store and working 24x7 stereotype only goes so far when rents are $20,000 per month along with all the other costs of living in NYC. It all just doesn't add up and many people who were born and raised in NYC will tell you that something is going on. The popular theories are the underground economy, lack of proper paying of taxes, money laundering etc. It's not that there's such a killing to be made in fruit stores, it's just that they're the ones with the network to create something out of a raw space the easiest, with the least investment risk. Real estate in NYC is in the pits,and has been for quite some time. The markets are in small, storefront spaces, not exactly recording studio potential anyway. All the NYC studios I knew that no longer exist were in big buildings and you took an elevator to get to the door. Never saw a fruit stand takeover any of those spaces : ) Hahah! Yes you do have a point! What happened was the gross over speculation of the Koch and Guiliani era on rents. The yuppies moving into lofts in Hell's Kitchen amongst other places and turning them into high priced, well, high priced lofts. Then 9-11 happened.... Then the economy crashed in 2008. Now instead of brokerage houses and their associated back room clearing houses being all you would see around the Wall street area, you now see families living in those same buildings. Rents have come down a great deal, but it's still far too expensive to operate a small studio in all but the worst sections of NYC and even those become expensive when they are declared "trendy" by the yuppies or whatever they are called these days. |
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Moshe Goldfarb wrote:
Rents have come down a great deal, but it's still far too expensive to operate a small studio in all but the worst sections of NYC and even those become expensive when they are declared "trendy" by the yuppies or whatever they are called these days. Perhaps. But, in the seventies and eighties there was also a big build-up of nice studio facilities in rural areas where there wasn't much around. These facilities were mostly intended for the use of rock bands who would want to get out of town to a remote location where they could work quietly. Consquently, most of them weren't built to handle larger groups and as they weren't in areas where there were a lot of good studio musicians to pick from, they were mostly used for laying down tracks which would be added to later on. Even THESE facilities collapsed right and left. It's not as if there was a big real estate boom in the Catskills, for instance. I feel kind of bad about Future down in Virginia Beach; they had a nice facility in a tourist town with a lot of resources, and they specialized in hip hop music and brought a lot of people down from NYC for week-long lock-outs. But even they couldn't make a go of it under current conditions. In the meantime, those of who actually _do_ work with acoustic music have fewer and fewer alternative places to go. And those places are much less likely to cut a good deal for odd time between big bookings. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 27 Dec 2009 12:02:25 -0500, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Moshe Goldfarb wrote: Rents have come down a great deal, but it's still far too expensive to operate a small studio in all but the worst sections of NYC and even those become expensive when they are declared "trendy" by the yuppies or whatever they are called these days. Perhaps. But, in the seventies and eighties there was also a big build-up of nice studio facilities in rural areas where there wasn't much around. These facilities were mostly intended for the use of rock bands who would want to get out of town to a remote location where they could work quietly. Consquently, most of them weren't built to handle larger groups and as they weren't in areas where there were a lot of good studio musicians to pick from, they were mostly used for laying down tracks which would be added to later on. Yep. Tons of them out in the burbs and mostly located in industrial parks where they won't disturb the neighbors. A lot of them double as rehearsal studios as well. Even THESE facilities collapsed right and left. It's not as if there was a big real estate boom in the Catskills, for instance. I feel kind of bad about Future down in Virginia Beach; they had a nice facility in a tourist town with a lot of resources, and they specialized in hip hop music and brought a lot of people down from NYC for week-long lock-outs. But even they couldn't make a go of it under current conditions. At one point I thought of opening a studio up in the Catskills or Vermont, something along the lines of Caribou Ranch. IOW a gentleman's farm, complete with bed and breakfast, all the amenities etc. Not just a place to track, but a place to get away and create. Then I saw Bearsville going down the drain and that kind of soured the idea for me. I was actually on my way to the Bearsville equipment auction when some idiot clobbered my car on I-87 and ruined the day for me. In retrospect it's a funny story, but let's put it this way, I was knocked slightly unconscious for a few minutes, to awake to see a bunch of Rabbi's, complete in penguin outfits, running around in circles talking on cell phones. I thought I was dead and in heaven Hahaha! Turned out it was a Hasidic school bus/van of some sort that rear ended my car. All turned out fine in retrospect and I got a new car instead of some gear. In the meantime, those of who actually _do_ work with acoustic music have fewer and fewer alternative places to go. And those places are much less likely to cut a good deal for odd time between big bookings. --scott That's what is happening, although in NYC you *can* get cheap time in top studios if you get lucky when they are in between clients or have cancellations and have an intern who wants to learn. Like getting same day seats to a Broadway show you have to be ready to move though. Not the most creative way to work, but.... |
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jwvm wrote:
News article about large recording studios closing due to home recording: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/hom...ory?id=9419472 This thread has been a goldmine. Thanks, folks. /going back to songwriting in BIAB before doing some live recording in a church building. Best of both worlds... ;^) ---Jeff |
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