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Onkyo still high-end?
Are Onkyo stereo amplifiers and receivers still considered high-
end quality like they once were? Would a current Onkyo audio component give a component from a brand such as Denon a run for its money? Thanks |
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"Ian" wrote in message ... Are Onkyo stereo amplifiers and receivers still considered high- end quality like they once were? Would a current Onkyo audio component give a component from a brand such as Denon a run for its money? Thanks They are both more similar than different. Neither was ever considered high end. Both manufacturers produce competently built, mass market equipment. |
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... "Ian" wrote in message ... Are Onkyo stereo amplifiers and receivers still considered high- end quality like they once were? Would a current Onkyo audio component give a component from a brand such as Denon a run for its money? Thanks They are both more similar than different. Neither was ever considered high end. Both manufacturers produce competently built, mass market equipment. Denon also build professional units for studios and broadcasting. So high end with a long list of additional features required for professional use.The CD players are very rugged indeed, and designed for continuous duty 24/7. I don't think that Onkyo have anything in this class. Iain |
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"Iain M Churches" wrote in message ... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... "Ian" wrote in message ... Are Onkyo stereo amplifiers and receivers still considered high- end quality like they once were? Would a current Onkyo audio component give a component from a brand such as Denon a run for its money? Thanks They are both more similar than different. Neither was ever considered high end. Both manufacturers produce competently built, mass market equipment. Denon also build professional units for studios and broadcasting. So high end with a long list of additional features required for professional use.The CD players are very rugged indeed, and designed for continuous duty 24/7. I don't think that Onkyo have anything in this class. Iain Afew years back, there was a life test of CD players. The Philips consumer laser lasted the longest, the Sony was in the middle, while the Technics player had the shortest life. The fact that Denon makes units with bus interfaces for the professional market, or the external casing is rugged, says nothing about the longevity of these units. In fact, I have a Denon DCD-1520, which is very heavy, but it contains a Sony player mechanism. "Professional" does not equate with "high end". I doubt that either label correlates with longevity. More important is who made the laser assembly, and the intention of the designer. A derated laser will last longer. |
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More important is either "availability of replacements" or "cheap
enough to throw it out". I have a Denon DN951WA and a Harris Audiometrics CD2001 with a Plextor mechanism. I also have the manual, service kit (extender boards) and a spare laser and bearing assembly. The Audiometrics is no longer made and spares are limited. I don't know if the Denon is still made. |
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"Ian" wrote in message ... Are Onkyo stereo amplifiers and receivers still considered high- end quality like they once were? Would a current Onkyo audio component give a component from a brand such as Denon a run for its money? Thanks Depends on what you consier high end. For me that passes a signa or amplifies it withouot addig any audible coloration. By that standard the high end is made up of nearly al components and receivers. Onkyo gear is still considerd high in build quality and their sound is indistinguishable from most other gear desigend for the same purpose. IOW their gear is sonically transparent. |
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... "Iain M Churches" wrote in message ... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... "Ian" wrote in message ... Are Onkyo stereo amplifiers and receivers still considered high- end quality like they once were? Would a current Onkyo audio component give a component from a brand such as Denon a run for its money? Thanks They are both more similar than different. Neither was ever considered high end. Both manufacturers produce competently built, mass market equipment. Denon also build professional units for studios and broadcasting. So high end with a long list of additional features required for professional use.The CD players are very rugged indeed, and designed for continuous duty 24/7. I don't think that Onkyo have anything in this class. Iain Afew years back, there was a life test of CD players. The Philips consumer laser lasted the longest, the Sony was in the middle, while the Technics player had the shortest life. The fact that Denon makes units with bus interfaces for the professional market, or the external casing is rugged, says nothing about the longevity of these units. In fact, I have a Denon DCD-1520, which is very heavy, but it contains a Sony player mechanism. "Professional" does not equate with "high end". I doubt that either label correlates with longevity. More important is who made the laser assembly, and the intention of the designer. A derated laser will last longer. What defines high end? |
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... "Iain M Churches" wrote in message ... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... "Ian" wrote in message ... Are Onkyo stereo amplifiers and receivers still considered high- end quality like they once were? Would a current Onkyo audio component give a component from a brand such as Denon a run for its money? Thanks They are both more similar than different. Neither was ever considered high end. Both manufacturers produce competently built, mass market equipment. Denon also build professional units for studios and broadcasting. So high end with a long list of additional features required for professional use.The CD players are very rugged indeed, and designed for continuous duty 24/7. I don't think that Onkyo have anything in this class. Iain Afew years back, there was a life test of CD players. The Philips consumer laser lasted the longest, the Sony was in the middle, while the Technics player had the shortest life. The fact that Denon makes units with bus interfaces for the professional market, or the external casing is rugged, says nothing about the longevity of these units. In fact, I have a Denon DCD-1520, which is very heavy, but it contains a Sony player mechanism. Or did you mean "High End" does not = "Professional" :-)) The OP was asking if Onkyo and Denon could be considered as being of similar quality. I pointed out that Denon have a professional range of equipment, built for studio and broadcast use, which Onkyo do not. I had in mind the ubiquitous Denon 970FA CD player, still seen in large numbers in broadcast facilities. The principle requirements of a professional machine are high performance, rugged build, ease of service, longevity. The broadcast Denons certainly meet all these requirements. For example, a technician can open the machine (the main board is hinged) inspect, and clean the laser in seconds with the unit still in the rack. That's continuous duty:-) "Professional" does not equate with "high end". I doubt that either label correlates with longevity. In my view, the former label certainly does. It is not uncommon to come across equipment in studios and broadcast with 50,000 hrs on the clock, with routine maintenance but no breakdowns, and still performing to specification. More important is who made the laser assembly, Indeed. and the intention of the designer. Professional products are designed for the type of use I have mentioned above - continuous duty - it is reliability and consistent performance which one is paying for, with negligible down time. Machines of this type rarely have the sex appeal of some high end equipment. Iain |
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Mickey, why do demand to be dunked in the toilet every damn day? What defines high end? If a 'borg hates it, it's high end. |
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"Iain M Churches" wrote in message ... [snip] Professional products are designed for the type of use I have mentioned above - continuous duty - it is reliability and consistent performance which one is paying for, with negligible down time. Machines of this type rarely have the sex appeal of some high end equipment. This is all true, but it does not imply that the consumer products by the same company share the attributes. |
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... "Iain M Churches" wrote in message ... [snip] Professional products are designed for the type of use I have mentioned above - continuous duty - it is reliability and consistent performance which one is paying for, with negligible down time. Machines of this type rarely have the sex appeal of some high end equipment. This is all true, but it does not imply that the consumer products by the same company share the attributes. Absolutely. In fact the manufacturer may use his "professional products" reputation to promote a completely different range of machines made for a different market, and to make potential buyers think they are something which they are not. But, there is the advantage of the "trickle down" effect, where R+D done for professional products benefits the quality of consumer machines. A good example of this in audio is Studer, with their domestic range marketed as Revox. Iain |
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"George Middius" wrote in message ... Mickey, why do demand to be dunked in the toilet every damn day? What defines high end? If a 'borg hates it, it's high end. Pointless answer noted. |
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... "Iain M Churches" wrote in message ... [snip] Professional products are designed for the type of use I have mentioned above - continuous duty - it is reliability and consistent performance which one is paying for, with negligible down time. Machines of this type rarely have the sex appeal of some high end equipment. This is all true, but it does not imply that the consumer products by the same company share the attributes. What attributes? |
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" wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... "Iain M Churches" wrote in message ... [snip] Professional products are designed for the type of use I have mentioned above - continuous duty - it is reliability and consistent performance which one is paying for, with negligible down time. Machines of this type rarely have the sex appeal of some high end equipment. This is all true, but it does not imply that the consumer products by the same company share the attributes. Rivit. Greeeeek. Grunt. Unk. The McKelviphibian vocalizes, under the control of a minute neural ganglion. |
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" wrote in message ink.net... "George Middius" wrote in message ... Mickey, why do demand to be dunked in the toilet every damn day? What defines high end? If a 'borg hates it, it's high end. Unnnh. Greeeeek. Grunt. Unnnh. Greeeek. Grunt. In order to vocalize, the McKelviphibian pokes its head out of the ooze, expelling rank air from a bladder located roughly at the midpoint of the scaled body. |
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "George Middius" wrote in message ... Mickey, why do demand to be dunked in the toilet every damn day? What defines high end? If a 'borg hates it, it's high end. Unnnh. Greeeeek. Grunt. Unnnh. Greeeek. Grunt. In order to vocalize, the McKelviphibian pokes its head out of the ooze, expelling rank air from a bladder located roughly at the midpoint of the scaled body. As ever, nothing to contribute on the subject of audio. |
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" wrote in message ink.net... "Ian" wrote in message ... Are Onkyo stereo amplifiers and receivers still considered high- end quality like they once were? Would a current Onkyo audio component give a component from a brand such as Denon a run for its money? Thanks Depends on what you consier high end. For me that passes a signal or amplifies it withouot adding any audible coloration. By that standard the high end is made up of nearly all components and receivers. Onkyo gear is still considerd high in build quality and their sound is indistinguishable from most other gear designed for the same purpose. IOW their gear is sonically transparent. |
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" wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "George Middius" wrote in message ... Mickey, why do demand to be dunked in the toilet every damn day? What defines high end? If a 'borg hates it, it's high end. Unnnh. Greeeeek. Grunt. Unnnh. Greeeek. Grunt. In order to vocalize, the McKelviphibian pokes its head out of the ooze, expelling rank air from a bladder located roughly at the midpoint of the scaled body. Grunnnt. Gleek. Urrrrgh. Gruunnt. Gleek. Urrrgh. It is mating season for the McKelviphibian. The mating call has the grammatical qualities of a leaking faucet. |
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" wrote in message ink.net... " wrote in message ink.net... "Ian" wrote in message ... Are Onkyo stereo amplifiers and receivers still considered high- end quality like they once were? Would a current Onkyo audio component give a component from a brand such as Denon a run for its money? Thanks Depends on what you consier high end. Gruuunt. Gleek. Urrghh. Grunt. Gleek. Urrgh. "Consier" is not a word. As for your mating call, I have no comment. |
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The Bug Eater goes back to one of his favorite whines. In order to vocalize, the McKelviphibian pokes its head out of the ooze, expelling rank air from a bladder located roughly at the midpoint of the scaled body. As ever, nothing to contribute on the subject of audio. No matter what the subject, you always sound the same. Has anybody ever tried hooking you up to a processor, or at least a multiband equalizer? |
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On 6 Sep 2005 07:08:06 -0700, George Middius wrote:
Mickey, why do demand to be dunked in the toilet every damn day? What defines high end? If a 'borg hates it, it's high end. If it's a big empty box with marketing hype instead of engineering then it's audiophile. I'm surprised bose isn't the ultimate audiophile brand; as the exception it fits all of the qualifications for being audiophile. |
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "George Middius" wrote in message ... Mickey, why do demand to be dunked in the toilet every damn day? What defines high end? If a 'borg hates it, it's high end. Unnnh. Greeeeek. Grunt. Unnnh. Greeeek. Grunt. In order to vocalize, the McKelviphibian pokes its head out of the ooze, expelling rank air from a bladder located roughly at the midpoint of the scaled body. Grunnnt. Gleek. Urrrrgh. Gruunnt. Gleek. Urrrgh. It is mating season for the McKelviphibian. The mating call has the grammatical qualities of a leaking faucet. Thank you for admitting that all my criticisms of you were valid. |
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... " wrote in message ink.net... "Ian" wrote in message ... Are Onkyo stereo amplifiers and receivers still considered high- end quality like they once were? Would a current Onkyo audio component give a component from a brand such as Denon a run for its money? Thanks Depends on what you consier high end. Gruuunt. Gleek. Urrghh. Grunt. Gleek. Urrgh. "Consier" is not a word. As for your mating call, I have no comment. Considering that you get so many things wrong, one would think you'd be more forgiving of others. Lack of self awareness noted. |
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" wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "George Middius" wrote in message ... Mickey, why do demand to be dunked in the toilet every damn day? What defines high end? If a 'borg hates it, it's high end. Unnnh. Greeeeek. Grunt. Unnnh. Greeeek. Grunt. In order to vocalize, the McKelviphibian pokes its head out of the ooze, expelling rank air from a bladder located roughly at the midpoint of the scaled body. Grunnnt. Gleek. Urrrrgh. Gruunnt. Gleek. Urrrgh. It is mating season for the McKelviphibian. The mating call has the grammatical qualities of a leaking faucet. Thank you for admitting that all my criticisms of you were valid. Mikey, an admission is a voluntary act. I'm not going to say "thank you for admitting that you are stupid", but you are. You have a low IQ, a weakly functioning brain, and a poor intellect to match. You should cease attempting to participate in forums with people who are vastly more intelligent than you. |
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" wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... " wrote in message ink.net... "Ian" wrote in message ... Are Onkyo stereo amplifiers and receivers still considered high- end quality like they once were? Would a current Onkyo audio component give a component from a brand such as Denon a run for its money? Thanks Depends on what you consier high end. Gruuunt. Gleek. Urrghh. Grunt. Gleek. Urrgh. "Consier" is not a word. As for your mating call, I have no comment. Considering that you get so many things wrong, one would think you'd be more forgiving of others. Lack of self awareness noted. Mikey, you constantly parrot Arny Krueger. You lack sufficient IQ to create original thoughts. Mikey, you do not belong here. |
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"Ian" wrote in message ... Are Onkyo stereo amplifiers and receivers still considered high- end quality like they once were? Would a current Onkyo audio component give a component from a brand such as Denon a run for its money? Thanks I can only respond by an example. I have a five channel full range system for music (with video secondary). It originally had my ARC 6Brc stereo preamp, plus two Audionics BT-2 improved stereo preamps. The sound was glorious, but I was not happy with the sound-staging. I knew there was not enough depth and too much discontinuity from having listened to other sound systems. And this despite a setup very close to the ITU recommendation. Accordingly, having been impressed with the transparency of an Onkyo integrated amp from the early '90's that I use in my bedroom, I started buying whenever available at a decent price a brace of Onkyo P301 preamps from that same lineage and time period. These are very nice preamps...six high level inputs plus phono; two tape outs, solenoid operated, direct bypass of the tone controls, etc. A real bargain at the $140 average I paid for them. And as I guessed, they have the same transparency that my integrated had...now with three of them in the system I get a continuous and deep soundstage. Accordingly, symphonic works sound virtually identical in perspective as in an orchestral hall (or the Shed at Tanglewood). So you think I'm in love with the Onkyo's, right? Not at all. I respect them...they are well built for their price point and more transparent than they have any right to be. But next to the ARC 6b, or the Audionics solid state (both circa 1981) they sound dull and "gray". They do not have the "inner illumination" to use ARC's description that seems to go with really top flight gear. Nor do they maintain any semblance of "three dimensionality" in their imaging, which the earlier high end preamps do. So for me they are stop gaps...a pleasant enough place to rest on the road to multichannel heaven, but will be replaced someday by the Bel Canto Pre6, or ARC's equivalent, or some yet-to-be-launched contender. In multichannel, I need the accurate imaging more than I do the illumination; but ultimately I want it all. And only the true-high end has a chance of providing it, for I've never heard mid-range gear that sounds as good as the Onkyo (and most fall short of that. Hope this helps. |
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... " wrote in message ink.net... "Ian" wrote in message ... Are Onkyo stereo amplifiers and receivers still considered high- end quality like they once were? Would a current Onkyo audio component give a component from a brand such as Denon a run for its money? Thanks Depends on what you consier high end. Gruuunt. Gleek. Urrghh. Grunt. Gleek. Urrgh. "Consier" is not a word. As for your mating call, I have no comment. Considering that you get so many things wrong, one would think you'd be more forgiving of others. Lack of self awareness noted. Mikey, you constantly parrot Arny Krueger. We agree on the issue of ABX and DBT. You lack sufficient IQ to create original thoughts. Mikey, you do not belong here. Did you fail to get your PhD for the same behavior as you exhibit here? Were they as unimpressed with your lack of diligence there as we are here? |
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "George Middius" wrote in message ... Mickey, why do demand to be dunked in the toilet every damn day? What defines high end? If a 'borg hates it, it's high end. Unnnh. Greeeeek. Grunt. Unnnh. Greeeek. Grunt. In order to vocalize, the McKelviphibian pokes its head out of the ooze, expelling rank air from a bladder located roughly at the midpoint of the scaled body. Grunnnt. Gleek. Urrrrgh. Gruunnt. Gleek. Urrrgh. It is mating season for the McKelviphibian. The mating call has the grammatical qualities of a leaking faucet. Thank you for admitting that all my criticisms of you were valid. Mikey, an admission is a voluntary act. Not always, sometimes it's unintentional, as is the case with you. I'm not going to say "thank you for admitting that you are stupid", but you are. You'd really like that to be true. Of course if it were, you would look like a big bully for picking on someone you claim is essentially defenseless. You have a low IQ, So you keep pretending. a weakly functioning brain, and a poor intellect to match. You should cease attempting to participate in forums with people who are vastly more intelligent than you. Even if all that were true, I'm still better at understanding that one does himself a disservice by constantly misrepresenting the facts, as is your habit. |
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"Harry Lavo" wrote in message ... "Ian" wrote in message ... Are Onkyo stereo amplifiers and receivers still considered high- end quality like they once were? Would a current Onkyo audio component give a component from a brand such as Denon a run for its money? Thanks I can only respond by an example. I have a five channel full range system for music (with video secondary). It originally had my ARC 6Brc stereo preamp, plus two Audionics BT-2 improved stereo preamps. The sound was glorious, but I was not happy with the sound-staging. I knew there was not enough depth and too much discontinuity from having listened to other sound systems. And this despite a setup very close to the ITU recommendation. Accordingly, having been impressed with the transparency of an Onkyo integrated amp from the early '90's that I use in my bedroom, I started buying whenever available at a decent price a brace of Onkyo P301 preamps from that same lineage and time period. These are very nice preamps...six high level inputs plus phono; two tape outs, solenoid operated, direct bypass of the tone controls, etc. A real bargain at the $140 average I paid for them. And as I guessed, they have the same transparency that my integrated had...now with three of them in the system I get a continuous and deep soundstage. Accordingly, symphonic works sound virtually identical in perspective as in an orchestral hall (or the Shed at Tanglewood). So you think I'm in love with the Onkyo's, right? Not at all. I respect them...they are well built for their price point and more transparent than they have any right to be. But next to the ARC 6b, or the Audionics solid state (both circa 1981) they sound dull and "gray". They do not have the "inner illumination" to use ARC's description that seems to go with really top flight gear. Nor do they maintain any semblance of "three dimensionality" in their imaging, which the earlier high end preamps do. So for me they are stop gaps...a pleasant enough place to rest on the road to multichannel heaven, but will be replaced someday by the Bel Canto Pre6, or ARC's equivalent, or some yet-to-be-launched contender. In multichannel, I need the accurate imaging more than I do the illumination; but ultimately I want it all. And only the true-high end has a chance of providing it, for I've never heard mid-range gear that sounds as good as the Onkyo (and most fall short of that. Hope this helps. Nice to see a post on this thread that is actually on topic:-) Iain |
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" wrote in message news "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... " wrote in message ink.net... "Ian" wrote in message ... Are Onkyo stereo amplifiers and receivers still considered high- end quality like they once were? Would a current Onkyo audio component give a component from a brand such as Denon a run for its money? Thanks Depends on what you consier high end. Gruuunt. Gleek. Urrghh. Grunt. Gleek. Urrgh. "Consier" is not a word. As for your mating call, I have no comment. Considering that you get so many things wrong, one would think you'd be more forgiving of others. Lack of self awareness noted. Mikey, you constantly parrot Arny Krueger. We agree on the issue of ABX and DBT. You lack sufficient IQ to create original thoughts. Mikey, you do not belong here. Did you fail to get your PhD for the same behavior as you exhibit here? Were they as unimpressed with your lack of diligence there as we are here? Mikey, you cannot judge your betters. Know your place. |
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" wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "George Middius" wrote in message ... Mickey, why do demand to be dunked in the toilet every damn day? What defines high end? If a 'borg hates it, it's high end. Unnnh. Greeeeek. Grunt. Unnnh. Greeeek. Grunt. In order to vocalize, the McKelviphibian pokes its head out of the ooze, expelling rank air from a bladder located roughly at the midpoint of the scaled body. Grunnnt. Gleek. Urrrrgh. Gruunnt. Gleek. Urrrgh. It is mating season for the McKelviphibian. The mating call has the grammatical qualities of a leaking faucet. Thank you for admitting that all my criticisms of you were valid. Mikey, an admission is a voluntary act. Not always, sometimes it's unintentional, as is the case with you. I'm not going to say "thank you for admitting that you are stupid", but you are. You'd really like that to be true. Of course if it were, you would look like a big bully for picking on someone you claim is essentially defenseless. You have a low IQ, So you keep pretending. a weakly functioning brain, and a poor intellect to match. You should cease attempting to participate in forums with people who are vastly more intelligent than you. Even if all that were true, I'm still better at understanding that one does himself a disservice by constantly misrepresenting the facts, as is your habit. Mikey, your weak intellect cannot comprehend these matters. Leave this to more gifted people. |
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "George Middius" wrote in message ... Mickey, why do demand to be dunked in the toilet every damn day? What defines high end? If a 'borg hates it, it's high end. Unnnh. Greeeeek. Grunt. Unnnh. Greeeek. Grunt. In order to vocalize, the McKelviphibian pokes its head out of the ooze, expelling rank air from a bladder located roughly at the midpoint of the scaled body. Grunnnt. Gleek. Urrrrgh. Gruunnt. Gleek. Urrrgh. It is mating season for the McKelviphibian. The mating call has the grammatical qualities of a leaking faucet. Thank you for admitting that all my criticisms of you were valid. Mikey, an admission is a voluntary act. Not always, sometimes it's unintentional, as is the case with you. I'm not going to say "thank you for admitting that you are stupid", but you are. You'd really like that to be true. Of course if it were, you would look like a big bully for picking on someone you claim is essentially defenseless. You have a low IQ, So you keep pretending. a weakly functioning brain, and a poor intellect to match. You should cease attempting to participate in forums with people who are vastly more intelligent than you. Even if all that were true, I'm still better at understanding that one does himself a disservice by constantly misrepresenting the facts, as is your habit. Mikey, your weak intellect cannot comprehend these matters. Leave this to more gifted people. One doesn't need to be particularly gifted to understand that you lie continually. I notice you don't claim Dick Pierce is not bright due to his lack of skill as a typist. |
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message news "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... " wrote in message ink.net... "Ian" wrote in message ... Are Onkyo stereo amplifiers and receivers still considered high- end quality like they once were? Would a current Onkyo audio component give a component from a brand such as Denon a run for its money? Thanks Depends on what you consier high end. Gruuunt. Gleek. Urrghh. Grunt. Gleek. Urrgh. "Consier" is not a word. As for your mating call, I have no comment. Considering that you get so many things wrong, one would think you'd be more forgiving of others. Lack of self awareness noted. Mikey, you constantly parrot Arny Krueger. We agree on the issue of ABX and DBT. You lack sufficient IQ to create original thoughts. Mikey, you do not belong here. Did you fail to get your PhD for the same behavior as you exhibit here? Were they as unimpressed with your lack of diligence there as we are here? Mikey, you cannot judge your betters. So far that hasn't been needed. You certainly may be better at things I am not, but you are also a liar. Know your place. That would be with your neck under my foot. |
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"Iain M Churches" wrote in message ... "Harry Lavo" wrote in message ... "Ian" wrote in message ... Are Onkyo stereo amplifiers and receivers still considered high- end quality like they once were? Would a current Onkyo audio component give a component from a brand such as Denon a run for its money? Thanks I can only respond by an example. I have a five channel full range system for music (with video secondary). It originally had my ARC 6Brc stereo preamp, plus two Audionics BT-2 improved stereo preamps. The sound was glorious, but I was not happy with the sound-staging. I knew there was not enough depth and too much discontinuity from having listened to other sound systems. And this despite a setup very close to the ITU recommendation. Accordingly, having been impressed with the transparency of an Onkyo integrated amp from the early '90's that I use in my bedroom, I started buying whenever available at a decent price a brace of Onkyo P301 preamps from that same lineage and time period. These are very nice preamps...six high level inputs plus phono; two tape outs, solenoid operated, direct bypass of the tone controls, etc. A real bargain at the $140 average I paid for them. And as I guessed, they have the same transparency that my integrated had...now with three of them in the system I get a continuous and deep soundstage. Accordingly, symphonic works sound virtually identical in perspective as in an orchestral hall (or the Shed at Tanglewood). So you think I'm in love with the Onkyo's, right? Not at all. I respect them...they are well built for their price point and more transparent than they have any right to be. But next to the ARC 6b, or the Audionics solid state (both circa 1981) they sound dull and "gray". They do not have the "inner illumination" to use ARC's description that seems to go with really top flight gear. Nor do they maintain any semblance of "three dimensionality" in their imaging, which the earlier high end preamps do. So for me they are stop gaps...a pleasant enough place to rest on the road to multichannel heaven, but will be replaced someday by the Bel Canto Pre6, or ARC's equivalent, or some yet-to-be-launched contender. In multichannel, I need the accurate imaging more than I do the illumination; but ultimately I want it all. And only the true-high end has a chance of providing it, for I've never heard mid-range gear that sounds as good as the Onkyo (and most fall short of that. Hope this helps. Nice to see a post on this thread that is actually on topic:-) Iain About ten years back, I sampled an Onkyo Dolby Pro Logic HT amplifier. I do recall that the presentation of Pro Logic analog material was the best I had ever heard. It also sounded good on music, though I did not perform a critical evaluation of amplifier quality. The piece had the heft and finish of then-Japanese "high end" offerings, though I do not believe the build quality throughout was what we refer to as high-end. |
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" wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "George Middius" wrote in message ... Mickey, why do demand to be dunked in the toilet every damn day? What defines high end? If a 'borg hates it, it's high end. Unnnh. Greeeeek. Grunt. Unnnh. Greeeek. Grunt. In order to vocalize, the McKelviphibian pokes its head out of the ooze, expelling rank air from a bladder located roughly at the midpoint of the scaled body. Grunnnt. Gleek. Urrrrgh. Gruunnt. Gleek. Urrrgh. It is mating season for the McKelviphibian. The mating call has the grammatical qualities of a leaking faucet. Thank you for admitting that all my criticisms of you were valid. Mikey, an admission is a voluntary act. Not always, sometimes it's unintentional, as is the case with you. I'm not going to say "thank you for admitting that you are stupid", but you are. You'd really like that to be true. Of course if it were, you would look like a big bully for picking on someone you claim is essentially defenseless. You have a low IQ, So you keep pretending. a weakly functioning brain, and a poor intellect to match. You should cease attempting to participate in forums with people who are vastly more intelligent than you. Even if all that were true, I'm still better at understanding that one does himself a disservice by constantly misrepresenting the facts, as is your habit. Mikey, your weak intellect cannot comprehend these matters. Leave this to more gifted people. One doesn't need to be particularly gifted to understand that you lie continually. I'm sorry, Mikey, but you are not able to comprehend this realm. Your weak mind leads to many mistakes. I notice you don't claim Dick Pierce is not bright due to his lack of skill as a typist. Dick Pierce has many other gifts that have not been given to you. |
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" wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message news "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... " wrote in message ink.net... "Ian" wrote in message ... Are Onkyo stereo amplifiers and receivers still considered high- end quality like they once were? Would a current Onkyo audio component give a component from a brand such as Denon a run for its money? Thanks Depends on what you consier high end. Gruuunt. Gleek. Urrghh. Grunt. Gleek. Urrgh. "Consier" is not a word. As for your mating call, I have no comment. Considering that you get so many things wrong, one would think you'd be more forgiving of others. Lack of self awareness noted. Mikey, you constantly parrot Arny Krueger. We agree on the issue of ABX and DBT. You lack sufficient IQ to create original thoughts. Mikey, you do not belong here. Did you fail to get your PhD for the same behavior as you exhibit here? Were they as unimpressed with your lack of diligence there as we are here? Mikey, you cannot judge your betters. So far that hasn't been needed. You certainly may be better at things I am not, but you are also a liar. You wouldn't know, Mikey. Your brain is not strong enough to determine this. |
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Robert Morein wrote: I notice you don't claim Dick Pierce is not bright due to his lack of skill as a typist. Dick Pierce has many other gifts that have not been given to you. Nor you Bob, nor you. ScottW |
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"ScottW" wrote in message oups.com... Robert Morein wrote: I notice you don't claim Dick Pierce is not bright due to his lack of skill as a typist. Dick Pierce has many other gifts that have not been given to you. Nor you Bob, nor you. ScottW Scott, let's not be repetitious. Your style would actually be stronger if you confined the statement to a single "Nor you, Bob." Mike McKelvy simply does not have the basic level of intelligence required to make original posts. He is a consistent plagiarist, taking almost his entire verbal repertoire from the posts Arny Krueger. Even Mikey's humorous comment is plargiarism: http://www.owtweb.com/resources/049.html Mikey must come to realize that he has an inferior mind, and would be better off in a slower track. There are many usenet groups that cater to his intellectual level, but not this one. |
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "Robert Morein" wrote in message ... " wrote in message ink.net... "George Middius" wrote in message ... Mickey, why do demand to be dunked in the toilet every damn day? What defines high end? If a 'borg hates it, it's high end. Unnnh. Greeeeek. Grunt. Unnnh. Greeeek. Grunt. In order to vocalize, the McKelviphibian pokes its head out of the ooze, expelling rank air from a bladder located roughly at the midpoint of the scaled body. Grunnnt. Gleek. Urrrrgh. Gruunnt. Gleek. Urrrgh. It is mating season for the McKelviphibian. The mating call has the grammatical qualities of a leaking faucet. Thank you for admitting that all my criticisms of you were valid. Mikey, an admission is a voluntary act. Not always, sometimes it's unintentional, as is the case with you. I'm not going to say "thank you for admitting that you are stupid", but you are. You'd really like that to be true. Of course if it were, you would look like a big bully for picking on someone you claim is essentially defenseless. You have a low IQ, So you keep pretending. a weakly functioning brain, and a poor intellect to match. You should cease attempting to participate in forums with people who are vastly more intelligent than you. Even if all that were true, I'm still better at understanding that one does himself a disservice by constantly misrepresenting the facts, as is your habit. Mikey, your weak intellect cannot comprehend these matters. Leave this to more gifted people. One doesn't need to be particularly gifted to understand that you lie continually. I'm sorry, Mikey, but you are not able to comprehend this realm. Your weak mind leads to many mistakes. I notice you don't claim Dick Pierce is not bright due to his lack of skill as a typist. Dick Pierce has many other gifts that have not been given to you. But you're primarily complaining about my typing and punctuation which are not that different from his. How fragile your ego must be. |
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... "ScottW" wrote in message oups.com... Robert Morein wrote: I notice you don't claim Dick Pierce is not bright due to his lack of skill as a typist. Dick Pierce has many other gifts that have not been given to you. Nor you Bob, nor you. ScottW Scott, let's not be repetitious. Your style would actually be stronger if you confined the statement to a single "Nor you, Bob." Mike McKelvy simply does not have the basic level of intelligence required to make original posts. He is a consistent plagiarist, taking almost his entire verbal repertoire from the posts Arny Krueger. Even Mikey's humorous comment is plargiarism: http://www.owtweb.com/resources/049.html I stated it was not original. So what? Funny is funny. Mikey must come to realize that he has an inferior mind, and would be better off in a slower track. There are many usenet groups that cater to his intellectual level, but not this one. I'm sure you visit them regularly. I guees maybe I prefer honsety to originality. You should try it. |
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