Hi,
Anyone here have any experience with the quality of the Weber recone of the
D120F?
Thanks in advance.

tube.guy

[Rich Koerner]

"François Yves Le Gal" wrote:

On Wed, 23 May 2007 20:33:42 -0500, wrote:

Anyone here have any experience with the quality of the Weber recone of the
D120F?

It's very good but not up to JBL standards : the recone is done using
generic parts. The good side is that Ted Weber does an excellent job at
refurbishing the motor, including a demag/remag - something vintage Alnico
speakers really need if they have been pushed hard.

JBL still supplies - at a stratospheric price - recone kits for the D120F
series, models C8RE120 (8-ohm) and C16RE120 (16-ohm). Alas, they aren't
identical to the originals and transform a D120F into a K120 mongrel (cloth
vs. paper surround, kapton vs. paper VC, etc.). Really nice in the end, but
different.

For the real deal....

The K series JBL assembly is the *best* for electric guitar or bass.


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[Phil S.]

wrote in message
...
Hi,
Anyone here have any experience with the quality of the Weber recone of
the
D120F?
Thanks in advance.

tube.guy


I believe that Weber has stopped re-cone service for all brands except his
own. Maybe try Orange County?
http://www.speakerrepair.com/OCSAuth.html They are JBL factory authorized
and have a decent reputation. Not cheap.

[Laughing at you..now...]

Sorry to top post, but one thing people are missing in the REAL
D120/K120/FFF issue, that unless I'm too stoned, the REAL OLD FART
120's had a 3" voice coil. Folks love the 2" (or less) UK stuff,
but what MADE that OFDays(.com) 120 WAS the 3" VC. The last real
folks at Standel tried..REALLY TRIED..BIG TIME TRIED..to get JBL
to wake the flock up and do it right. WHAT IS EVERYBODY'S PROBLEM??

There is so much real time, no BS history/mojo/fantasy that would sell
and BLOW AWAY THE DOORS OF THE IMPORTERs, it's like money in the bank.

Celestion tried it with the POWERCELL speaker that Marshall had all
rights to, but Marshall (Rose Morris) tried to replace a 4 12 cab with
a ONE 12 weird shaped/horned cab. It did not work. Sad, the speaker
was flocking killer. I bought a ton of them off Angela's for $30 ea,
only have a few. Weber has a recone kit for them. Clips great..

Made the JBL K120 look like a cheap Utah out of Radio shack..

JJTj



On Thu, 24 May 2007 06:41:04 -0400, Rich Koerner
wrote:

The K series JBL assembly is the *best* for electric guitar or bass.

Hmmm. I wouldn't be that affirmative. the K series are excellent if you want
to play very clean and reach very high SPL's. OTOH, a typical Twin Reverb
fitted with a pair of K120 is heavier than a dead cow..

The D series sound IMO smoother with better pick/attack response, handle
less power (but are slightly more efficient because of their lighter cones)
and begin to distort gracefully at more decent levels.

Other speakers can sound really good, and better match amps/playing styles.
For instance a K120 in a 5E3 Deluxe doesn't sound half as good as a real
(read Chicago, not the Italian so-called re-editions) Jensen P12Q or P12R -
cone breakup and speaker disto is an important part of the global sound
here.

Anyway, most vintage JBL speakers are true classics, with a build quality
and sound quality putting to shame their contemporary " equivalents". Some
combinations are pure magic, such as a D123 in a Deluxe Reverb - not for
headbangers of course, or, classically, a D130F in a Vibroverb.

[You Are a STUPID SHIT]

In article ,
wrote:

Hi,
Anyone here have any experience with the quality of the Weber recone of the
D120F?
Thanks in advance.

tube.guy

I wouldn't but a toilet plunger from Ted Weber. The guy is a ****ing
asshole and I'll personally knock his teeth in if I ever meet him. His
speakers sound like ****, his amp kits are made from cheap Chinese parts
and he's a lying sack of **** to boot.

[TD Madden]

Phil S. wrote:

wrote in message
...

Hi,
Anyone here have any experience with the quality of the Weber recone of
the
D120F?
Thanks in advance.

tube.guy



I believe that Weber has stopped re-cone service for all brands except his
own. Maybe try Orange County?
http://www.speakerrepair.com/OCSAuth.html They are JBL factory authorized
and have a decent reputation. Not cheap.


They recone these as well as their own:

All Celestion 10" and 12"
CTS AlNiCo and Ceramic 10" speakers from the Fender Super Reverb
Vintage Chicago Jensen P8R, P10R, P10Q, C8R, C10R, C10Q, C10N, P12R,
P12Q, P12N, C12R, C12Q, C12N, P15LL, C15LL.
JBL D120F, D130 and D130F
All Oxford 8", 10" and 12" that have Fender labels on the magnet.
EV AlNiCo SRO 12" (white coffee can)

[TD Madden]

Laughing at you..now... wrote:



Sorry to top post, but one thing people are missing in the REAL
D120/K120/FFF issue, that unless I'm too stoned, the REAL OLD FART
120's had a 3" voice coil. Folks love the 2" (or less) UK stuff,
but what MADE that OFDays(.com) 120 WAS the 3" VC. The last real
folks at Standel tried..REALLY TRIED..BIG TIME TRIED..to get JBL
to wake the flock up and do it right. WHAT IS EVERYBODY'S PROBLEM??

There is so much real time, no BS history/mojo/fantasy that would sell
and BLOW AWAY THE DOORS OF THE IMPORTERs, it's like money in the bank.

Celestion tried it with the POWERCELL speaker that Marshall had all
rights to, but Marshall (Rose Morris) tried to replace a 4 12 cab with
a ONE 12 weird shaped/horned cab. It did not work. Sad, the speaker
was flocking killer. I bought a ton of them off Angela's for $30 ea,
only have a few. Weber has a recone kit for them. Clips great..

Made the JBL K120 look like a cheap Utah out of Radio shack..

JJTj




On Thu, 24 May 2007 06:41:04 -0400, Rich Koerner
wrote:


The K series JBL assembly is the *best* for electric guitar or bass.

Hmmm. I wouldn't be that affirmative. the K series are excellent if you want
to play very clean and reach very high SPL's. OTOH, a typical Twin Reverb
fitted with a pair of K120 is heavier than a dead cow..

The D series sound IMO smoother with better pick/attack response, handle
less power (but are slightly more efficient because of their lighter cones)
and begin to distort gracefully at more decent levels.

Other speakers can sound really good, and better match amps/playing styles.
For instance a K120 in a 5E3 Deluxe doesn't sound half as good as a real
(read Chicago, not the Italian so-called re-editions) Jensen P12Q or P12R -
cone breakup and speaker disto is an important part of the global sound
here.

Anyway, most vintage JBL speakers are true classics, with a build quality
and sound quality putting to shame their contemporary " equivalents". Some
combinations are pure magic, such as a D123 in a Deluxe Reverb - not for
headbangers of course, or, classically, a D130F in a Vibroverb.


think i have one of the celestion powercell 10s....heavy as hell for a 10.

[Peter Wieck]

On May 24, 3:01 pm, You Are a STUPID **** wrote:
In article ,

wrote:
Hi,
Anyone here have any experience with the quality of the Weber recone of the
D120F?
Thanks in advance.

tube.guy

I wouldn't but a toilet plunger from Ted Weber. The guy is a ****ing
asshole and I'll personally knock his teeth in if I ever meet him. His
speakers sound like ****, his amp kits are made from cheap Chinese parts
and he's a lying sack of **** to boot.

Mpfffff....

Now, please tell us how you really feel? And then sign your real name.
A disgruntled customer with a legitimate gripe is one thing. An
anonymous troll is entirely else. I would not know Ted Weber from the
next lamp-post, but I do know that I would believe a 'real' lamp-post
over an anonymous you at this moment.

You pays you money, you takes you chances.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

[Laughing at you..now...]

JBL did it their way, with heavier cones and oversized motors, thus reaching
similar efficiency and offering a much better power handling.

That was what made the Altec 12"'s so great. overkill mounts, and 3" VC
(I believe, I think later ones )non gray) were more then 3". Could be wrong.

I *DO* know, I have a SVT stack with 2/4-`12' "FACTORY" Altec V4 cabs dat flocking
KILL for overall sound volume, and clip point needed. I will say,the best combo
amp I ever heard was a BF TWin with JBL anything's. J. Winter packed SF Twins
with Altec. JK of the Airplane used 120s. We spoke in KEENE NH during the
multi tour, JA/JS/Hot Tuna/Starship horror. He ends the last song, I was behind
the amp, dumb ?? I asked was: "..JBL's. ever try Altec's..?..". Mo fool me.

JK stands there, 355 in hand, describing the "..flap bottom.." the jBL's had
that any Altec wanted. .."..we have a garage of Altecs. No bottom flap.."

Bass player just nods..and agrees.. I listen to such people..I've met them all...

....names then when dropped, crack the ground...

Those who have dealt with the Celestion PowerCell, know it just didn't make QC
enough. Awesome idea..a UK/JBL.. I know of 12" PC's doing dog shows as we speak.

In the late '50s a typical Jensen 12" weighted 4 lbs and accepted say 20
real watts, a typical JBM weighted 16 lbs and accepted around 60 real watts.

Sad, the [Powercell] speaker was flocking killer.

Hmm. I wasn't impressed by the Powercell series, or Marshall amps/cabs from
that period for that matter.

Amps/cab's sucked that time, yes, it was the end of Rose Morris and DB and
all that rot. RM really tried to retain the Marshall MoJo. Korg failed then.

At Pr1mo, we got 5 AC30's with Powercells that went to some 'loser' (as the
brass at Pr1mo said ) named MC...? He had a few hits chuckle) and loved em.

Celestion just couldn't sustain the demand. and RM was 180 days behind..hehehehe

Made the JBL K120 look like a cheap Utah out of Radio shack..

...it really did, a 1 12" guitar PC was awesome in a combo.

Ahem. The K120 is much better built, and don't forget that Utah has produced
some outstanding speakers in the '50s - some of their red alnicos are every
bit as good as their Jensen counterparts and the Celesta line was really top
notch.

Yes, JBLs were better built, and that is why the RM era Marshall's with da
PowerCell's never made it. Speakers weren't built well, buyer was broke,
70% ot the PowerCell's coming to the USA were 'bass' voiced units..NOT guitar.

...wrong item imported badly to the wrong buyers with $$$$$. Today, those 1-12"
PowerCell Marshall cabs are worth $1k USD. Even without the odd mounting holes
of the PowerCell's. Yup...I made good $$$ making Twin amp frontbaffels.



JJTj







I left Oklahoma drivin' in a Pontiac
Just about to lose my mind
I was goin' on to Arizona, maybe on to California
Where all the people live so fine
My baby said I was crazy, my momma called me lazy
I was goin' to show 'em all this time
'Cause you know I ain't no fool an' I don't need no more schoolin'
I was born to just walk the line

Livin' on Tulsa time
Livin' on Tulsa time
Well you know I've been through it
When I set my watch back to it
Livin' on Tulsa time

Well there I was in Hollywood wishin' I was doin' good
Talkin' on the telephone line
But they don't need me in the movies and nobody sings my songs
Guess I'm just wastin' time
Well then I got to thinkin', man I'm really sinkin'
And I really had a flash this time
I had no business leavin' and nobody would be grievin'
If I went on back to Tulsa time

Livin' on Tulsa time
Livin' on Tulsa time
Gonna set my watch back to it
Cause you know I've been through it
Livin' on Tulsa time

[Laughing at you..now...]

I wouldn't but a toilet plunger from Ted Weber. The guy is a ****ing
asshole and I'll personally knock his teeth in if I ever meet him. His
speakers sound like ****, his amp kits are made from cheap Chinese parts
and he's a lying sack of **** to boot.

I'd hand any speaker to TW to fix before I tried to do it, and I've re-coned
over 2000 speakers in my life. TW is a class act who knows his **** OFDays.com wise.

Sorry, didn't mean to butt in..


JJTj











++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++

"Do I take LSD...na, I can paint better then that"

Don Van Vliet (Capt Beefheart)

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++

[TD Madden]

Laughing at you..now... wrote:
I wouldn't but a toilet plunger from Ted Weber. The guy is a ****ing
asshole and I'll personally knock his teeth in if I ever meet him. His
speakers sound like ****, his amp kits are made from cheap Chinese parts
and he's a lying sack of **** to boot.


I'd hand any speaker to TW to fix before I tried to do it, and I've re-coned
over 2000 speakers in my life. TW is a class act who knows his **** OFDays.com wise.

Sorry, didn't mean to butt in..


JJTj











++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++

"Do I take LSD...na, I can paint better then that"

Don Van Vliet (Capt Beefheart)

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++
Glad you did...I've bought a bunch of speaks from him and had a few old
Jensens reconed as well. All quality.

[Laughing at you..now...]

On Thu, 24 May 2007 18:46:46 -0400, Laughing at you..now... up yers.con
wrote:

That was what made the Altec 12"'s so great

Yup. Or EV, Gauss and half a dozen of other US speakers.






EV still makes some decent speakers..

What ever happened with Gauss? They made some
speakers for Fender, and seem to be long gone..

The Dual Spider idea was hard on guitar speakers
to break up easy, but it made for a great bass speaker.

Got some Amp-Porn of them somewhere..


JJTj

[Phil S.]

"François Yves Le Gal" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 24 May 2007 13:01:24 -0700, You Are a STUPID ****
wrote:

His speakers sound like ****

I've been using Weber VST speakers for the last few years, and find them
excellent when properly used. Their 12A series are some of the best ever,
sounding very close to the Jensen originals (and miles above the Italian
re-editions), their Celestion-style series are excellent - even if the
custom Scumback series from Southbay Ampworks are better.

OK the el cheapo Signature series use generic parts and are so-so voiced,
but, heck, you can forgive a lot when it comes to 12" Alnico drivers
selling
for USD 45.00 a pop. You can pay nearly the same for a friggin' Jensen
Italy
bell cover...

his amp kits are made from cheap Chinese parts

Time for a wake up call : most parts are manufactured in China nowadays.

Ted prices very fairly his amp kits : a 5E3 kit costs USD 490,00
(including
a Sig 12" speaker). It's a decent piece of gear which can easily be
upgraded, for instance by replacing the stock output xformer with a
MercMag
or any other "boutique" model. Nothing fancy here.

A high quality 5E3 kit, such as the Mission Tweedy Deluxe retails for USD
659.95. Cab finish is excellent, the chassis is better built, all
components
are a notch or two above what Weber ships, full documentation is
accessible,
etc. It's an excellent kit, but it costs 35 % more.

and he's a lying sack of **** to boot.

I don't know what your problem is with Ted Weber, but I've always found
him
very responsive, honest and straightforward.



Really, FWIW, I agree. One time my small parts (resistors, caps, switches,
etc) came with out washers for the pots. I emailed him 6 weeks later
because I didn't get around to checking the order until I stared building.
He put them in the mail and I had them in 3 days, no questions asked. As
for the kits, I don't think he makes an attempt to hide the fact that his
stuff is "economy" level. Still, my impression is that you get a decent
sounding amp. If someone has a beef with a vendor, he ought to state the
facts, not hide behind an alias and implicate the offender with inuendo.
The facts will speak for themselves.

[J.P.]

On Thu, 24 May 2007 13:01:24 -0700, You Are a STUPID ****
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:

Hi,
Anyone here have any experience with the quality of the Weber recone of the
D120F?
Thanks in advance.

tube.guy

I wouldn't but a toilet plunger from Ted Weber. The guy is a ****ing
asshole and I'll personally knock his teeth in if I ever meet him. His
speakers sound like ****, his amp kits are made from cheap Chinese parts
and he's a lying sack of **** to boot.

[Jim Kelley]

Laughing at you..now... wrote:

...names then when dropped, crack the ground...

That a a buck fifty will buy you a cup of coffee.

jk