[SFTV_troy]

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Brenda Ann" wrote in message

Even then, the forums were very popular,
taking over the job that was mostly done by BBS's.

The trouble with local BBSs was the lack of traffic.
There were national and regional BBSs like ExecPC
that addressed that problem.


Also national nets like Usenet and Fidonet. Usenet is still alive-and-
well thanks to News servers being integrated into the WWW browsers,
but Fidonet is essentially dead since BBSes don't really exist
anymore. (There's still a few, but none local to my area, and I'm not
going to call long-distance.)

Those networks were cool. You would go visit, for example
rec.arts.startrek, read & reply to messages, and then log off. During
the night the messages would travel across the phonelines. And the
next morning you would have a fresh batch of messages.

Things moved a lot slower back then. Typically if you asked a
question today (Oct 2), you had to wait until Oct 3 to receive the
replies to it.

BTW:



Here's the oldest message I could find. I got a modem in late 1987,
and was posting to Usenet throughout 1988, 89, and so on, but
apparently those messages never got archived. Oh well. This message
was posted just prior to my high school graduation..... sooooo long
ago. ;-)

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...3f568ceec580b/

From:
Newsgroups: rec.arts.startrek
Subject: Trek symbols
Date: 27 May 91 15:07:23 GMT
Organization: Rabbit Hutch BBS, East Earl, Pa., (717)354-5027
Lines: 16


The change from the "one ship one symbol" to everyone wearing the
"Enterprise Arrowhead" is supposed to serve two functions. The first, (not
totally cannon) is that it is to celebrate that the Enterprise was the only
ship to make it back to earth after its five year mission, in completely
good shape, where as other ships barely made it back, or not at all.

Exactly what do you mean by "one ship one symbol"? Did each ship
have
its on triangle? I thought the Arrowhead was the symbol of the
Federation
and was universal among all Starfleet starships? Why was Enterprise
crew
the only to wear the arrowhead?
--
....rutgers!devon!rhutch!troy (Troy Heagy)
Rabbit Hutch BBS -- +1 717 354 5027

[Phil Kane]

On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 01:14:52 -0700, SFTV_troy
wrote:

I suspect if you took this poll in a "hip" group like rec.arts.tv or
alt.tv.smallville, you'd find a lot of young people. It would still
skew older, but there'd also be lots of teens and 20-somethings in the
mix.

We were all teens and 20-somethings once.
--
Phil Kane
Beaverton, OR

[Phil Kane]

On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 01:27:55 -0700, SFTV_troy
wrote:

I was thinking about going back to earn a law degree (since I'm bored
with engineering).

If you think engineering is boring, law will be even more boring. What
you see on TV as "law" bears little relationship to real life.
--
Philip M. Kane P E / Esq.
VP - Regulatory Counsel & Engineering Manager
CSI Telecommunication Consulting Engineers
San Francisco, CA - Beaverton, OR

[Phil Kane]

On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 01:54:51 -0700, SFTV_troy
wrote:

James Cash Penney would disagree with you. (He was an extremely
religious and honest man - he even refused to accept credit cards, on
the grounds that he thought it wrong to drive people into debt. He
would rather lose a sale than do that.)

He would be spinning in his grave. Of course we use our JCPenney card
as a convenience card, paying it off each month without interest
accruing.
--
Phil Kane
Beaverton, OR

[Randy Yates]

SFTV_troy writes:
[...] Usenet is still alive-and- well thanks to News servers being
integrated into the WWW browsers,

News servers are not integrated into WWW browsers, but news clients
are.
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%% Fuquay-Varina, NC % things were so uncomplicated?"
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%%%% % *Time*, Electric Light Orchestra
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[Telamon]

In article . com,
SFTV_troy wrote:

Telamon wrote:
wrote:


I've worked in sales, but I tried to avoid lying.

That's an impossibility.

James Cash Penney would disagree with you. (He was an extremely
religious and honest man - he even refused to accept credit cards, on
the grounds that he thought it wrong to drive people into debt. He
would rather lose a sale than do that.)

Fine. Then it would be an impossibility for you.

For example when I was in college I worked for Sears. They
instructed me to "sell extended warranties" I complied, but I
also told the customers that I thought it was un-necessary.

Sears didn't like me very much - what with telling the truth.

That would be an expected result.

Uh huh. Good thing I became an engineer - I wouldn't be able to work
for long lying to Sears' customers.

I don't think you are an engineer.

I'd expect an electrical engineer to be more knowledgeable than
your posts indicate.

If you think one person can possibly know EVERYTHING there is to
know about the subject of electronics/electrical devices.

Not really. Just what you promote.


Just because we don't share the same opinion, does not mean one of us
is idiotic.

It does not exclude it either.

That premise is false Telemon. It could be that we are both 100%
correct (with respect to targeting different interest groups). You
are correct that AM is better for long-distance listening for old
people.

So you believe in age based reality? That does not sound like an
engineer to me.

And I am correct that young people want many, many more stations on
the dial (they like variety).

That's not what you wrote. You wrote about more possible channels.

We are both correct.

Nope.

I find nothing endearing in a sock puppet.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

[MOSFET]

I'm 39 and nearly 40 (in November). Aghhhhhh!!!!!!

MOSFET

wrote in message
oups.com...
I'm 35. Engineer. And you?

I'm curious about the demographic that occupies these groups.

[[email protected]]

SFTV_troy wrote:
Phil Kane wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 03:24:02 -0700, wrote:

- Do you know what VHDL is?
- How about a state machine?
- Synchronous DDR?
- PCI Express?
- Flip-flop?
- What does GCLK mean in the context of FPGAs?
- What are constraints?

That's not electrical engineering, that's computer science.


And thus you make yourself sound like an idiot. Hardware design is
*not* computer science (aka programming). ------ Besides my title is
"Electrical Engineer". Always has been, no matter where I worked.

This is just a small sample of what I know, because this is what I
work upon every day..... but I suspect a lot of it you have no clue
what it's about. And that's fine. Because I don't expect one person
to know everything there is to know about EE.

Not to denigrate Penn State, but graduates of the major EE (as
differentiated from CS) schools are expected to be fluent in most if
not all areas of ELECTRICAL engineering. ...

Phil,

Please define what you mean by fluent. I'm not trolling; I would like
a serious answer. This has actually been a topic of discussion in some
other forums. I don't have an EE degree (I have bachelor's and
master's in CS), but my bachelor's degree required some EE classes. I
had plenty of EE major friends, many of whom went on to EE-related
careers.

That sounds like a denigration of Penn State. They did teach me all
the basics, but not the advanced stuff (like synchronous AM reception
- whatever that is). To expect me to know that is unrealistic. And
not fair to the profs at Penn State. Every engineer has his or her
own specialty.

I am inclined to agree with this.

--gregbo
gds at best dot com

[PhattyMo]

wrote:
I'm 35. Engineer. And you?

I'm curious about the demographic that occupies these groups.



Old enough to know better,But too young to care! -27.

[RHF]

On Oct 2, 1:27 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
Phil Kane wrote:
On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 03:24:02 -0700, wrote:

- Do you know what VHDL is?
- How about a state machine?
- Synchronous DDR?
- PCI Express?
- Flip-flop?
- What does GCLK mean in the context of FPGAs?
- What are constraints?

That's not electrical engineering, that's computer science.

And thus you make yourself sound like an idiot. Hardware design is
*not* computer science (aka programming). ------ Besides my title is
"Electrical Engineer". Always has been, no matter where I worked.

This is just a small sample of what I know, because this is what I
work upon every day..... but I suspect a lot of it you have no clue
what it's about. And that's fine. Because I don't expect one person
to know everything there is to know about EE.

Not to denigrate Penn State, but graduates of the major EE (as
differentiated from CS) schools are expected to be fluent in most if
not all areas of ELECTRICAL engineering. ...

That sounds like a denigration of Penn State.
They did teach me all the basics,

- but not the advanced stuff (like synchronous AM reception
- - whatever that is).

AM Synchronous Detector
- These Links may Help to Open-Up Your Mind's Eye.
http://www.radio-electronics.com/inf...t/sync_det.php
http://www.sherweng.com/indepth.html
http://www.universal-radio.com/catal.../0800sync.html
http://www.universal-radio.com/catal.../0175sync.html
http://www.usna.edu/EE/ee302/Handout...ng2007CH03.pdf

If All Else Fails . . . Read a Book !

- To expect me to know that is unrealistic.

SFTV - You chose to 'cross-post' to a Shortwave Radio Listener's
Newgroup (rec.radio.shortwave) most of the SWLs here have
some idea or concept of what an "AM-Sync" does and to some
degree how they function and perform within their Radios.

Clearly you have more than the Education and the Ability
to Inform Yourself and Communicate with the Members
of this Newsgroup in a Meaninful Way. - Please Do So.

i didn't know - i don't know - is not a valid answer
for a person of your education and ability ~ RHF

[Steven]

I'm "this" many fingers!

Can you count? Excellent!

[SFTV_troy]

Brenda's disappeared. She's not about to admit she was wrong (a sign
of maturity is someone being able to say, "Ooops my mistake.").



Arny Krueger wrote:
"Eric F. Richards"
"Brenda Ann"
"
The first TCP/IP-wide area network was made operational
by January 1, 1983 when all hosts on the ARPANET were
switched over from the older NCP protocols to TCP/IP

That's TCP/IP. Hate to side with these guys, but they're
right this time. The World Wide Web and HTTP were
invented in 1990 by Tim Berners-Lee.

Agreed.

[SFTV_troy]

Randy Yates wrote:
SFTV_troy writes:

[...] Usenet is still alive-and- well thanks to News
servers being integrated into the WWW browsers,

News servers are not integrated into WWW browsers,
but news clients are.



Ooops. Thanks for the correction; that was pretty stupid of
me. ;-) (A news client could also be called news reader, or news-
reading software.)

[RHF]

On Oct 3, 3:02 am, SFTV_troy wrote:
- Brenda's disappeared.
- She's not about to admit she was wrong (a sign of maturity
- is someone being able to say, "Ooops my mistake.").

SFTV -aka- "Hybrid Digital" Man,

And this post has the 'sound' of "Maturity ? - NOT ! ~ RHF

BAD comes and goes as her schedule permits.

Until then consider actually Listening to a Shortwave Radio :
So that you can Hear What We Hear and Communicate
About All These Great Changes Toward A Digital World :
Based On Your Own Personal Experience Listening To
Over-the-Air Radio Broadcasts.

Remember one of the Newsgroups that you chose to Cross-Post
the original Message to was Rec.Radio.Shortwave which happens
to be a Newsgroup populated by many Avid Shortwave Radio
Listeners (SWLs) and AM & FM Radio Broadcast Listeners (BCLs).

[[email protected]]

On Oct 3, 5:46 am, RHF wrote:
On Oct 3, 3:02 am, SFTV_troy wrote:



- Brenda's disappeared.
- She's not about to admit she was wrong (a sign of maturity
- is someone being able to say, "Ooops my mistake.").

BAD comes and goes as her schedule permits.



She just posted 30 minutes ago. The fact is, she doesn't want to
admit that she was wrong when she kept insisting (again and again)
that the Web existed in the 1980s.

Even AFTER we explained to her she was mistaken, she still refused to
listen. I hate stubborn people who refuse to listen, even when others
are trying to be helpful.

[[email protected]]

Phil Kane wrote:
On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 01:14:52 -0700, SFTV_troy
wrote:

I suspect if you took this poll in a "hip" group like rec.arts.tv or
alt.tv.smallville, you'd find a lot of young people. It would still
skew older, but there'd also be lots of teens and 20-somethings in the
mix.

We were all teens and 20-somethings once.



But then you grew old & close-minded.

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