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Actually, my Soundcraft console has only one set of control room outputs, but it does have a volume control for it, as well as a mute switch. The console was made in the day when engineers knew how to wire up a switch if they wanted to have two sets of speakers. Today if someone wanted to do that, they'd ask where on the web they could find a schematic. That's what working on a DAW too long will do to you. g I though you got that way from writing Mackie manuals :-) |
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:42:28 -0600, Romeo Rondeau
wrote: My, my, my... however do you "mix with a mouse?" Very easily. Especially when you realise there's no point in pretending to push faders and start working completely graphically. |
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:39:39 +0000, Deputy Dumbya Dawg wrote:
"philicorda" wrote in message ... : : :: Can you solo input channels to the control room : speakers without it : : affecting the headphone mixes? : : I seemed liked those two functions would be seperate : but I do not know for sure. : : It would be nice if you can. One of the big annoyances I have with : monitoring in the box is that most software assumes you are only recording : yourself, and don't need to solo stuff while recording. Ask Greg Ondo the Steinberg Marketing Manager on this forum http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/c...nuendoatlanta/ http://www.moneygrow.com/cubase-nuendo/ I'll do that. Like I said I mix my cues and monitor the live room from a board. I think this is the only way to go. Yes, I do the same, with my long suffering mackie 24/8/2+ 2 delta 1010s. Not found a better way yet. Things might be changing though... I've been working with a bloke who uses a portable rig with MOTU traveller +Cubase 4+ behringer headphone amps. He uses a combination of the Cubase4 control room and MOTU soundcard mixer to set up 4 independent 'zero' latency monitoring mixes. I couldn't figure out how to do solo, though he seemed to get on fine without it. Seems to work well, though it's a lot of routing to keep in your head. It certainly makes a mixerless very portable rig for doing bands possible, which is why I'm interested. peace dawg |
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Deputy Dumbya Dawg wrote:
Look into Cuebase IV. It has a new feature called the control room. That's a coincidence. Cubase 4 has something similar. Still , nothing like a physical control, independant of the vaguaries of a computer to operate. geoff |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote: On Mar 19, 11:29 am, Laurence Payne There may be occasions where a Big Knob is a godsend. But alongside a mixing desk, I find it over-featured. That's probably true, but it's intended to be used by people who don't have a mixer. It answers the call from people who think they have a whole studio in their computer and can't figure out how to do something as simple as adjusting the listening volume without a few mouse clicks. The Big Knob does exactly what the monitor control module on a typical large format control does. Well no. You can easily have a Big Knobsiiting on the same deskas your DAW. To tweak a level on a mixer you have to get upand cross the room - well I do. If you're on a DAW it's a very handy addition as well. Yep. geoff |
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:18:48 +1200, "Geoff"
wrote: The Big Knob does exactly what the monitor control module on a typical large format control does. Well no. You can easily have a Big Knobsiiting on the same deskas your DAW. To tweak a level on a mixer you have to get upand cross the room - well I do. Seems an unproductive arrangement. Why not arrange your gear better? |
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On Mar 19, 6:08 pm, philicorda wrote:
I've been working with a bloke who uses a portable rig with MOTU traveller +Cubase 4+ behringer headphone amps. He uses a combination of the Cubase4 control room and MOTU soundcard mixer to set up 4 independent 'zero' latency monitoring mixes. I couldn't figure out how to do solo, though he seemed to get on fine without it. Most DAWs do solos by muting everything but what you want to hear, and most of them do muting not by controlling outputs, but by just not playing the muted track. That makes it hard to have a solo on one bus without interrupting everything else. If you want to solo a channel while setting a mic or adjusting an EQ or compressor that you're going to record with, that shouldn't be a problem. But if you want to solo a track in the control room while the band is playing and listening to themselves on headphones, that probably takes more smarts than I think Cubase has at this point. But they're pretty clever over there. Once they figure out that people really want to do this, they'll come up with a way to do it. Maybe there are some hooks in the driver for the MOTU interface so that Cubase can control its DSP mixer. But that would mean that MOTU would have to think of it as well, probably after Steinberg extended the ASIO model to accommodate controls that don't involve audio directly. |
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"philicorda" wrote in message ... : Seems to work well, though it's a lot of routing to keep in your head. : It certainly makes a mixerless very portable rig for doing bands : possible, which is why I'm interested. I would be very interested to hear from a finikey player that it is real "zero latency" Saw a demo once where I could hear the guitar strings being scraped before it came out of the monitors and the powers that be swore that was "zero latency" They were telling it to the guitar player who was struggeling to play his bit and verbaly complaining about it. The bass player couldnt care less. The cuebase 4 demo I saw a couple of weeks ago used a laptop and firewire to I think MOTU box but it was playing through the flown house PA fifty feet away so who knows. I ask the guy and he is playing through the board not Cuebase. Go figure. but there shure aint nothing like all the audio stuff still working while the computer does it's "thing" peace dawg |
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"Laurence Payne" lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom wrote in message ... : Well no. You can easily have a Big Knobsiiting on the same deskas your DAW. : To tweak a level on a mixer you have to get upand cross the room - well I : do. : : Seems an unproductive arrangement. Why not arrange your gear better? One nice thing about mixing with a mouse ,and even more so if you were using the Control Room , would be that you could sit in your easy chair in the studio sweet spot and mix from your wireless mouse and keyboard. Change from surround to 2 ch to mono in the dark . I sit in the dark and make final adjustments like that all the time. peace dawg |
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On Mar 19, 3:51 am, Ty Ford wrote:
My combo amp for my older workstation is leaving the planet. Anyone with Mackie Big Knob comments or other options? Regards, Ty Ford --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services Acting and Voiceover Demoshttp://www.tyford.com Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU No opinion on the MBK but other options that work well for me are Coleman Audio MP3PH and Presonus Central Station. The cool feature of the Central Station is the ability to control it with a corded remote and move around in the room while A/Bing speakers. bobs Bob Smith BS Studios we organize chaos http://www.bsstudios.com |
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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:18:48 +1200, "Geoff" wrote: The Big Knob does exactly what the monitor control module on a typical large format control does. Well no. You can easily have a Big Knobsiiting on the same deskas your DAW. To tweak a level on a mixer you have to get upand cross the room - well I do. Seems an unproductive arrangement. Why not arrange your gear better? It is better, and highly productive arrangemt.I seldom need to get up BECAUSE I have my knob in hand. Most of my work is done at my DAW which is where my seat is and is optimally positioned. My mixer is now used primarily as 24 mic pres, and a headphoone monitor mix, plus a bit of routing. A remote level control (Medium Knob) on the mixer control room output is just great next to my DAW. geoff |
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"Deputy Dumbya Dawg" wrote in
message link.net... "hank alrich" wrote in message ... : You have made it clear that you do not understand what the Big Knob : offers. You are so observent and have great reading comprehension. You are my hero! peace dawg Hank is my hero too, but . . . I actually mean it! ;-) John L Rice |
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"Deputy Dumbya Dawg" wrote in message ink.net... "Mike Rivers" wrote in message ups.com... : On Mar 19, 12:05 pm, Romeo Rondeau wrote: : : Doh! I guess you haven't looked at Cubase/ Nuendo's control room : section! I guess you will now :-) : : No, I won't bother. For me, what the Big Knob and its brethren and : sistern provide is more input and output jacks and hands-on controls. : If your DAW hardware consists of a stereo audio interface, how's the : Control Room section going to help you switch between two sets of : monitors? Or connect a talkback mic? Or a turntable? : : If you can tell me how the software control room section replaces : physical hardware, I'll take a look. Otherwise, I'll take a hike. I have a hardware solution myself but a lot of people have lots of tracks in and as many outputs as inputs. In a stereo system only two outputs are configured. This means that if you have a 24 track DAW system, like I do you, have 22 spare outputs. ( I actuall have 23 spare outputs since I use the SPDIF out to a high end DAC and one out to run the midi click sounds back into the board so I can mix it into the headsets) You could make three 5.1 mixes and three stereo. Or lotsa headsets out and a few stereo and a surround. Get it? Peace. dawg How well does it work when the computer is off? ;-) -- John L Rice |
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"John L Rice" wrote in message
... "Ty Ford" wrote in message . .. My combo amp for my older workstation is leaving the planet. Anyone with Mackie Big Knob comments or other options? Regards, Ty Ford Hi Ty, I know it's on the expensive side but I really love my Coleman Audio M3PH http://www.colemanaudio.com/ An alternative to the Mackie would be the NHT PVC pro http://nhthifi.com/2006/products/pro/pvcpro.html About $149 street and looks pretty nice (I haven't tried one) John L Rice And don't forget the $99 A-Designs ATTY! : http://www.adesignsaudio.com/atty.htm |
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"John L Rice" wrote in message ... : I have a hardware solution myself but a lot of people : have lots of tracks in and as many outputs as inputs. : In a stereo system only two outputs are configured. : This means that if you have a 24 track DAW system, like : I do you, have 22 spare outputs. ( I actuall have 23 : spare outputs since I use the SPDIF out to a high end : DAC and one out to run the midi click sounds back into : the board so I can mix it into the headsets) : : You could make three 5.1 mixes and three stereo. : : Or lotsa headsets out and a few stereo and a surround. : Get it? : : Peace. : dawg : : How well does it work when the computer is off? ;-) : : -- : John L Rice Not as good as my setup. : : |
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On Mar 20, 1:28 am, "John L Rice" wrote:
How well does it work when the computer is off? ;-) I thought people who are into the DAW thing are so busy that they never have a reason to turn their computers off. |
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On 20 Mar 2007 04:09:10 -0700, "Mike Rivers"
wrote: How well does it work when the computer is off? ;-) I thought people who are into the DAW thing are so busy that they never have a reason to turn their computers off. Yeah, it can be a bit like that. Work rather slow in the analogue world, is it? :-) CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm "Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect |
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:05:44 -0400, Romeo Rondeau wrote
(in article ) : Mike Rivers wrote: On Mar 19, 9:09 am, "Deputy Dumbya Dawg" wrote: Look into Cuebase IV. It has a new feature called the control room. It will kill things like the big knob and it is in the box. Do you know what a Big Knob does? How can Cubase possibly do that in the box? The Big Knob provides multiple inputs and outputs as well as hands-on controls. I suppose that you could assign outputs of a multi- out sound card to different speakers and have on-screen buttons to mute and un-mute them, and have an on-screen volume and mute control, and what about the RIAA equalized phono input? And the headphone outputs? And talkback mic? Doh! I guess you haven't looked at Cubase/ Nuendo's control room section! I guess you will now :-) Um, guys. I'm looking for a hardware solution. Presonus makes something similar BTW. Ty --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU |
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hank alrich wrote:
John L Rice wrote: And don't forget the $99 A-Designs ATTY! : http://www.adesignsaudio.com/atty.htm Anybody compared that directly to the PVC from NHT? I think I saw a place selling it for the same $99. I thought the PVC had been discontinued. Basically, all you care about is the tracking accuracy and how the thing feels in your hand. That's the marvelous thing about simple designs... there isn't much to screw up. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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John L Rice wrote:
"John L Rice" wrote... "Ty Ford" wrote.. My combo amp for my older workstation is leaving the planet. Anyone with Mackie Big Knob comments or other options? Regards, Ty Ford Hi Ty, I know it's on the expensive side but I really love my Coleman Audio M3PH http://www.colemanaudio.com/ That one has nice specs - .05 dB left-right tracking accuracy. An alternative to the Mackie would be the NHT PVC pro http://nhthifi.com/2006/products/pro/pvcpro.html About $149 street and looks pretty nice (I haven't tried one) John L Rice And don't forget the $99 A-Designs ATTY! : http://www.adesignsaudio.com/atty.htm Anybody compared that directly to the PVC from NHT? I think I saw a place selling it for the same $99. -- ha Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam |
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Laurence Payne wrote:
On 20 Mar 2007 04:09:10 -0700, "Mike Rivers" wrote: How well does it work when the computer is off? ;-) I thought people who are into the DAW thing are so busy that they never have a reason to turn their computers off. Yeah, it can be a bit like that. Work rather slow in the analogue world, is it? :-) Mind you, we don't get to drink so much coffe waiting for the rewind(s). geoff |
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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:42:28 -0600, Romeo Rondeau wrote: My, my, my... however do you "mix with a mouse?" Very easily. Especially when you realise there's no point in pretending to push faders and start working completely graphically. I meant that sarcastically :-) |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
On Mar 20, 1:28 am, "John L Rice" wrote: How well does it work when the computer is off? ;-) I thought people who are into the DAW thing are so busy that they never have a reason to turn their computers off. It works about as good as when mixing a record with your console off :-) |
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"Ty Ford" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:05:44 -0400, Romeo Rondeau wrote (in article ) : Mike Rivers wrote: On Mar 19, 9:09 am, "Deputy Dumbya Dawg" wrote: Look into Cuebase IV. It has a new feature called the control room. It will kill things like the big knob and it is in the box. Do you know what a Big Knob does? How can Cubase possibly do that in the box? The Big Knob provides multiple inputs and outputs as well as hands-on controls. I suppose that you could assign outputs of a multi- out sound card to different speakers and have on-screen buttons to mute and un-mute them, and have an on-screen volume and mute control, and what about the RIAA equalized phono input? And the headphone outputs? And talkback mic? Doh! I guess you haven't looked at Cubase/ Nuendo's control room section! I guess you will now :-) Um, guys. I'm looking for a hardware solution. Presonus makes something similar BTW. Ty I'm gonna have a Big Knob for sale here in a week or less. Just waiting on my console to get in. I bought it new from Swee****er about a year ago. Mint condition, and I still have the original box. Email me if you're interested at -- Thanks, John --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU |
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"Geoff" wrote in message .I seldom need to get up BECAUSE I have my knob in hand. geoff Indeed... Bar Hum Job! -- Thanks, John |
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JSVice wrote:
I'm gonna have a Big Knob for sale here in a week or less. Just waiting on my console to get in. I bought it new from Swee****er about a year ago. Mint condition, and I still have the original box. Email me if you're interested at That's great if you spend most of your time at your concole. If not then stick to your knob, so to speak. geoff |
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hank alrich wrote:
Ty Ford wrote: My combo amp for my older workstation is leaving the planet. Anyone with Mackie Big Knob comments or other options? Just found another bunch: http://www.goldpt.com/ Those are some damn expensive pots :-) |
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Romeo Rondeau wrote: hank alrich wrote: Ty Ford wrote: My combo amp for my older workstation is leaving the planet. Anyone with Mackie Big Knob comments or other options? Just found another bunch: http://www.goldpt.com/ Those are some damn expensive pots :-) Yes, if you're going to be up in that range you might as well get the ones from Shallco. Penny and Giles also makes some precision pots in that price range too, but you'll have to put them in a box. The difference between the $5 Alps pot from Radio Shack and the $450 P&G is that the P&G has four gangs so you can do real balanced line, and it has extremely accurate tracking, so the right and left channels are the same level and the balanced lines stay balanced. The Goldpoint SA1-X, though, is a real stepped attenuator in a box for $439, which is pretty good. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Ty Ford wrote:
My combo amp for my older workstation is leaving the planet. Anyone with Mackie Big Knob comments or other options? Just found another bunch: http://www.goldpt.com/ -- ha Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam |
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hank alrich wrote:
Romeo Rondeau wrote: hank alrich wrote: Ty Ford wrote: My combo amp for my older workstation is leaving the planet. Anyone with Mackie Big Knob comments or other options? Just found another bunch: http://www.goldpt.com/ Those are some damn expensive pots :-) Look again - those are not "pots". No ****! Thanks for pointing that out :-) |
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Romeo Rondeau wrote:
hank alrich wrote: Ty Ford wrote: My combo amp for my older workstation is leaving the planet. Anyone with Mackie Big Knob comments or other options? Just found another bunch: http://www.goldpt.com/ Those are some damn expensive pots :-) Look again - those are not "pots". -- ha Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam |
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Romeo Rondeau wrote:
hank alrich wrote: Romeo Rondeau wrote: hank alrich wrote: Ty Ford wrote: My combo amp for my older workstation is leaving the planet. Anyone with Mackie Big Knob comments or other options? Just found another bunch: http://www.goldpt.com/ Those are some damn expensive pots :-) Look again - those are not "pots". No ****! Thanks for pointing that out :-) Yer welcome! The specs on the resistors aren't bad. -- ha Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam |
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