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Actually, my Soundcraft console has only one set of control room
outputs, but it does have a volume control for it, as well as a mute
switch. The console was made in the day when engineers knew how to
wire up a switch if they wanted to have two sets of speakers. Today
if someone wanted to do that, they'd ask where on the web they could
find a schematic. That's what working on a DAW too long will do to
you. g


I though you got that way from writing Mackie manuals :-)
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My, my, my... however do you "mix with a mouse?"


Very easily. Especially when you realise there's no point in
pretending to push faders and start working completely graphically.
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:39:39 +0000, Deputy Dumbya Dawg wrote:

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: :: Can you solo input channels to the control room
: speakers without it
: : affecting the headphone mixes?
:
: I seemed liked those two functions would be
seperate
: but I do not know for sure.
:
: It would be nice if you can. One of the big
annoyances I have with
: monitoring in the box is that most software assumes
you are only recording
: yourself, and don't need to solo stuff while
recording.

Ask Greg Ondo the Steinberg Marketing Manager on this
forum
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/c...nuendoatlanta/
http://www.moneygrow.com/cubase-nuendo/


I'll do that.



Like I said I mix my cues and monitor the live room
from a board. I think this is the only way to go.


Yes, I do the same, with my long suffering mackie 24/8/2+ 2
delta 1010s. Not found a better way yet.

Things might be changing though...
I've been working with a bloke who uses a portable rig with MOTU traveller
+Cubase 4+ behringer headphone amps. He uses a combination of the Cubase4
control room and MOTU soundcard mixer to set up 4 independent
'zero' latency monitoring mixes.

I couldn't figure out how to do solo, though he seemed to get on fine
without it.

Seems to work well, though it's a lot of routing to keep in your head.
It certainly makes a mixerless very portable rig for doing bands
possible, which is why I'm interested.


peace
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Look into Cuebase IV. It has a new feature called the
control room.


That's a coincidence. Cubase 4 has something similar.


Still , nothing like a physical control, independant of the vaguaries of a
computer to operate.

geoff


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Scott Dorsey wrote:
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On Mar 19, 11:29 am, Laurence Payne
There may be occasions where a
Big Knob is a godsend. But alongside a mixing desk, I find it
over-featured.


That's probably true, but it's intended to be used by people who
don't have a mixer. It answers the call from people who think they
have a whole studio in their computer and can't figure out how to do
something as simple as adjusting the listening volume without a few
mouse clicks.


The Big Knob does exactly what the monitor control module on a typical
large format control does.


Well no. You can easily have a Big Knobsiiting on the same deskas your DAW.
To tweak a level on a mixer you have to get upand cross the room - well I
do.


If you're on a DAW it's a very handy addition as well.


Yep.

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On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:18:48 +1200, "Geoff"
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The Big Knob does exactly what the monitor control module on a typical
large format control does.


Well no. You can easily have a Big Knobsiiting on the same deskas your DAW.
To tweak a level on a mixer you have to get upand cross the room - well I
do.


Seems an unproductive arrangement. Why not arrange your gear better?
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I've been working with a bloke who uses a portable rig with MOTU traveller
+Cubase 4+ behringer headphone amps. He uses a combination of the Cubase4
control room and MOTU soundcard mixer to set up 4 independent
'zero' latency monitoring mixes.


I couldn't figure out how to do solo, though he seemed to get on fine
without it.


Most DAWs do solos by muting everything but what you want to hear, and
most of them do muting not by controlling outputs, but by just not
playing the muted track. That makes it hard to have a solo on one bus
without interrupting everything else. If you want to solo a channel
while setting a mic or adjusting an EQ or compressor that you're going
to record with, that shouldn't be a problem. But if you want to solo a
track in the control room while the band is playing and listening to
themselves on headphones, that probably takes more smarts than I think
Cubase has at this point. But they're pretty clever over there.

Once they figure out that people really want to do this, they'll come
up with a way to do it. Maybe there are some hooks in the driver for
the MOTU interface so that Cubase can control its DSP mixer. But that
would mean that MOTU would have to think of it as well, probably after
Steinberg extended the ASIO model to accommodate controls that don't
involve audio directly.

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: Seems to work well, though it's a lot of routing to
keep in your head.
: It certainly makes a mixerless very portable rig for
doing bands
: possible, which is why I'm interested.

I would be very interested to hear from a finikey
player that it is real "zero latency" Saw a demo once
where I could hear the guitar strings being scraped
before it came out of the monitors and the powers that
be swore that was "zero latency" They were telling it
to the guitar player who was struggeling to play his
bit and verbaly complaining about it. The bass player
couldnt care less.

The cuebase 4 demo I saw a couple of weeks ago used a
laptop and firewire to I think MOTU box but it was
playing through the flown house PA fifty feet away so
who knows. I ask the guy and he is playing through the
board not Cuebase. Go figure.

but there shure aint nothing like all the audio stuff
still working while the computer does it's "thing"

peace
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: Well no. You can easily have a Big Knobsiiting on
the same deskas your DAW.
: To tweak a level on a mixer you have to get upand
cross the room - well I
: do.
:
: Seems an unproductive arrangement. Why not arrange
your gear better?

One nice thing about mixing with a mouse ,and even more
so if you were using the Control Room , would be that
you could sit in your easy chair in the studio sweet
spot and mix from your wireless mouse and keyboard.
Change from surround to 2 ch to mono in the dark .

I sit in the dark and make final adjustments like that
all the time.

peace
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On Mar 19, 3:51 am, Ty Ford wrote:
My combo amp for my older workstation is leaving the planet.

Anyone with Mackie Big Knob comments or other options?

Regards,

Ty Ford

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No opinion on the MBK but other options that work well for me are
Coleman Audio MP3PH and Presonus Central Station. The cool feature of
the Central Station is the ability to control it with a corded remote
and move around in the room while A/Bing speakers.

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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:18:48 +1200, "Geoff"
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The Big Knob does exactly what the monitor control module on a
typical large format control does.


Well no. You can easily have a Big Knobsiiting on the same deskas
your DAW. To tweak a level on a mixer you have to get upand cross
the room - well I do.


Seems an unproductive arrangement. Why not arrange your gear better?


It is better, and highly productive arrangemt.I seldom need to get up
BECAUSE I have my knob in hand.

Most of my work is done at my DAW which is where my seat is and is optimally
positioned. My mixer is now used primarily as 24 mic pres, and a headphoone
monitor mix, plus a bit of routing. A remote level control (Medium Knob) on
the mixer control room output is just great next to my DAW.

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: You have made it clear that you do not understand
what the Big Knob
: offers.

You are so observent and have great reading
comprehension. You are my hero!


peace
dawg



Hank is my hero too, but . . . I actually mean it! ;-)

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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
ups.com...
: On Mar 19, 12:05 pm, Romeo Rondeau
wrote:
:
: Doh! I guess you haven't looked at Cubase/ Nuendo's
control room
: section! I guess you will now :-)
:
: No, I won't bother. For me, what the Big Knob and its
brethren and
: sistern provide is more input and output jacks and
hands-on controls.
: If your DAW hardware consists of a stereo audio
interface, how's the
: Control Room section going to help you switch between
two sets of
: monitors? Or connect a talkback mic? Or a turntable?
:
: If you can tell me how the software control room
section replaces
: physical hardware, I'll take a look. Otherwise, I'll
take a hike.


I have a hardware solution myself but a lot of people
have lots of tracks in and as many outputs as inputs.
In a stereo system only two outputs are configured.
This means that if you have a 24 track DAW system, like
I do you, have 22 spare outputs. ( I actuall have 23
spare outputs since I use the SPDIF out to a high end
DAC and one out to run the midi click sounds back into
the board so I can mix it into the headsets)

You could make three 5.1 mixes and three stereo.

Or lotsa headsets out and a few stereo and a surround.
Get it?

Peace.
dawg


How well does it work when the computer is off? ;-)

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My combo amp for my older workstation is leaving the planet.

Anyone with Mackie Big Knob comments or other options?

Regards,

Ty Ford


Hi Ty,

I know it's on the expensive side but I really love my Coleman Audio M3PH
http://www.colemanaudio.com/

An alternative to the Mackie would be the NHT PVC pro
http://nhthifi.com/2006/products/pro/pvcpro.html About $149 street and
looks pretty nice (I haven't tried one)

John L Rice


And don't forget the $99 A-Designs ATTY! :
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: I have a hardware solution myself but a lot of
people
: have lots of tracks in and as many outputs as
inputs.
: In a stereo system only two outputs are configured.
: This means that if you have a 24 track DAW system,
like
: I do you, have 22 spare outputs. ( I actuall have
23
: spare outputs since I use the SPDIF out to a high
end
: DAC and one out to run the midi click sounds back
into
: the board so I can mix it into the headsets)
:
: You could make three 5.1 mixes and three stereo.
:
: Or lotsa headsets out and a few stereo and a
surround.
: Get it?
:
: Peace.
: dawg
:
: How well does it work when the computer is off? ;-)
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Not as good as my setup.
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How well does it work when the computer is off? ;-)


I thought people who are into the DAW thing are so busy that they
never have a reason to turn their computers off.



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How well does it work when the computer is off? ;-)


I thought people who are into the DAW thing are so busy that they
never have a reason to turn their computers off.


Yeah, it can be a bit like that. Work rather slow in the analogue
world, is it? :-)

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On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:05:44 -0400, Romeo Rondeau wrote
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Mike Rivers wrote:
On Mar 19, 9:09 am, "Deputy Dumbya Dawg"
wrote:
Look into Cuebase IV. It has a new feature called the
control room. It will kill things like the big knob and
it is in the box.


Do you know what a Big Knob does? How can Cubase possibly do that in
the box? The Big Knob provides multiple inputs and outputs as well as
hands-on controls. I suppose that you could assign outputs of a multi-
out sound card to different speakers and have on-screen buttons to
mute and un-mute them, and have an on-screen volume and mute control,
and what about the RIAA equalized phono input? And the headphone
outputs? And talkback mic?


Doh! I guess you haven't looked at Cubase/ Nuendo's control room
section! I guess you will now :-)


Um, guys. I'm looking for a hardware solution.

Presonus makes something similar BTW.

Ty

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hank alrich wrote:
John L Rice wrote:

And don't forget the $99 A-Designs ATTY! :
http://www.adesignsaudio.com/atty.htm


Anybody compared that directly to the PVC from NHT? I think I saw a
place selling it for the same $99.


I thought the PVC had been discontinued.

Basically, all you care about is the tracking accuracy and how the thing
feels in your hand. That's the marvelous thing about simple designs...
there isn't much to screw up.
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"Ty Ford" wrote..
My combo amp for my older workstation is leaving the planet.

Anyone with Mackie Big Knob comments or other options?

Regards,

Ty Ford


Hi Ty,

I know it's on the expensive side but I really love my Coleman Audio M3PH
http://www.colemanaudio.com/


That one has nice specs - .05 dB left-right tracking accuracy.

An alternative to the Mackie would be the NHT PVC pro
http://nhthifi.com/2006/products/pro/pvcpro.html About $149 street and
looks pretty nice (I haven't tried one)

John L Rice


And don't forget the $99 A-Designs ATTY! :
http://www.adesignsaudio.com/atty.htm


Anybody compared that directly to the PVC from NHT? I think I saw a
place selling it for the same $99.

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Laurence Payne wrote:
On 20 Mar 2007 04:09:10 -0700, "Mike Rivers"
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How well does it work when the computer is off? ;-)


I thought people who are into the DAW thing are so busy that they
never have a reason to turn their computers off.


Yeah, it can be a bit like that. Work rather slow in the analogue
world, is it? :-)



Mind you, we don't get to drink so much coffe waiting for the rewind(s).

geoff


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My, my, my... however do you "mix with a mouse?"


Very easily. Especially when you realise there's no point in
pretending to push faders and start working completely graphically.


I meant that sarcastically :-)
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How well does it work when the computer is off? ;-)


I thought people who are into the DAW thing are so busy that they
never have a reason to turn their computers off.




It works about as good as when mixing a record with your console off :-)
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:05:44 -0400, Romeo Rondeau wrote
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Mike Rivers wrote:
On Mar 19, 9:09 am, "Deputy Dumbya Dawg"
wrote:
Look into Cuebase IV. It has a new feature called the
control room. It will kill things like the big knob and
it is in the box.

Do you know what a Big Knob does? How can Cubase possibly do that in
the box? The Big Knob provides multiple inputs and outputs as well as
hands-on controls. I suppose that you could assign outputs of a multi-
out sound card to different speakers and have on-screen buttons to
mute and un-mute them, and have an on-screen volume and mute control,
and what about the RIAA equalized phono input? And the headphone
outputs? And talkback mic?


Doh! I guess you haven't looked at Cubase/ Nuendo's control room
section! I guess you will now :-)


Um, guys. I'm looking for a hardware solution.

Presonus makes something similar BTW.

Ty


I'm gonna have a Big Knob for sale here in a week or less. Just waiting on
my console to get in. I bought it new from Swee****er about a year ago.
Mint condition, and I still have the original box. Email me if you're
interested at

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"Geoff" wrote in message .I seldom need to get up
BECAUSE I have my knob in hand.


geoff

Indeed... Bar Hum Job!


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I'm gonna have a Big Knob for sale here in a week or less. Just
waiting on my console to get in. I bought it new from Swee****er
about a year ago. Mint condition, and I still have the original box. Email
me if you're interested at


That's great if you spend most of your time at your concole. If not then
stick to your knob, so to speak.


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Ty Ford wrote:

My combo amp for my older workstation is leaving the planet.

Anyone with Mackie Big Knob comments or other options?


Just found another bunch:

http://www.goldpt.com/


Those are some damn expensive pots :-)
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Ty Ford wrote:

My combo amp for my older workstation is leaving the planet.

Anyone with Mackie Big Knob comments or other options?


Just found another bunch:

http://www.goldpt.com/


Those are some damn expensive pots :-)


Yes, if you're going to be up in that range you might as well get the
ones from Shallco. Penny and Giles also makes some precision pots in
that price range too, but you'll have to put them in a box.

The difference between the $5 Alps pot from Radio Shack and the $450
P&G is that the P&G has four gangs so you can do real balanced line, and
it has extremely accurate tracking, so the right and left channels are
the same level and the balanced lines stay balanced.

The Goldpoint SA1-X, though, is a real stepped attenuator in a box for
$439, which is pretty good.
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Just found another bunch:

http://www.goldpt.com/

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hank alrich wrote:
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My combo amp for my older workstation is leaving the planet.

Anyone with Mackie Big Knob comments or other options?
Just found another bunch:

http://www.goldpt.com/

Those are some damn expensive pots :-)


Look again - those are not "pots".


No ****! Thanks for pointing that out :-)
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hank alrich wrote:
Ty Ford wrote:

My combo amp for my older workstation is leaving the planet.

Anyone with Mackie Big Knob comments or other options?


Just found another bunch:

http://www.goldpt.com/


Those are some damn expensive pots :-)


Look again - those are not "pots".

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hank alrich wrote:
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hank alrich wrote:
Ty Ford wrote:

My combo amp for my older workstation is leaving the planet.

Anyone with Mackie Big Knob comments or other options?
Just found another bunch:

http://www.goldpt.com/

Those are some damn expensive pots :-)


Look again - those are not "pots".


No ****! Thanks for pointing that out :-)


Yer welcome! The specs on the resistors aren't bad.

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