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ORBAN POSTS V2.0 OF ITS FREE LOUDNESS METER SOFTWARE FOR WINDOWS
March 13, 2012 San Leandro, California - Orban today posted V2.0 of its free loudness meter application. V1 worked only on Windows PCs running XP, Vista, and 7; new in V2 is support for Intel-based Mac computers running OS10.6 or higher. Also new is comprehensive support for the ITU-R Rec. BS.1770-2 and EBU R 128 metering standards. R 128 calls for three meters: an ungated "momentary" meter having a time integration window of 400 ms, an ungated "short- term" meter having a time integration window of 3 seconds, and an "integrated" meter, having a user-selectable time integration window and gating as specified in BS.1770-2. Additionally, V2 measures Loudness Range per EBU - TECH 3342, which is incorporated into R 128 by reference. Loudness meter scales have been revised to conform to EBU - TECH 3341 and loudness can be displayed in absolute terms or relative to a user- adjustable reference level, which is typically -23 LBFS or -24 LKFS. Manual start/start mode is now available and maximum integration time has been extended to three hours, allowing users to measure the BS.1770 -2 Integrated loudness and Loudness Range of long-form programming like feature films. Many CDs are now mastered with gross amounts of digital-domain clipping, which can cause overshoots after D/A conversion. When clipped by analog circuitry in consumer playout devices, these overshoots will add still more distortion compared to the distortion added by the digital clipping alone. A new Reconstructed Peak meter runs at 384 kHz sample rate and indicates the peak level of the audio after D/A conversion with an accuracy of better than 0.2 dB, which is better than that required in Annex 2 of ITU-R Rec. BS.1770-2. The Reconstructed Peak meter allows mastering engineers to anticipate analog-domain clipping and to prevent it by slightly lowering maximum peak levels in the digital domain. The meter now allows users to write comma-delimited ASCII log files that can be imported into any common spreadsheet or graphing application for graphical display. Typical applications include graphing loudness vs. time and creating histograms. Logging can also be used to verify that television stations in the U.S. are complying with the CALM Act. The VU meter has been revised so that it can indicate levels above 0 VU. 0 VU can now be aligned to common line-up levels like -20 dBFS (SMPTE) or -18 dBFS (EBU). The PPM is now oversampled at 384 kHz, so it more accurately indicates the effect of short-duration peaks. The application now supports WASAPI Loopback operation in Windows Vista and 7. This allows the meter to monitor any sound device that uses the Windows WAVE audio system without depending on the specific features of a given sound device's driver. The Orban software is free to end users and is sponsored by Orban's Optimod-TV loudness controllers, including the 1101, 6300, 6585, and 8685. It can be downloaded from www.orban.com/meter. Although the current meter supports only mono and stereo programs, future enhancements will include 5.1-channel surround metering and loudness analysis of files in several formats. |
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 16:49:57 -0800, Robert Orban
wrote: ORBAN POSTS V2.0 OF ITS FREE LOUDNESS METER SOFTWARE FOR WINDOWS March 13, 2012 San Leandro, California - Orban today posted V2.0 of its free loudness meter application. V1 worked only on Windows PCs running XP, Vista, and 7; new in V2 is support for Intel-based Mac computers running OS10.6 or higher. Also new is comprehensive support for the ITU-R Rec. BS.1770-2 and EBU R 128 metering standards. R 128 calls for three meters: an ungated "momentary" meter having a time integration window of 400 ms, an ungated "short- term" meter having a time integration window of 3 seconds, and an "integrated" meter, having a user-selectable time integration window and gating as specified in BS.1770-2. Additionally, V2 measures Loudness Range per EBU - TECH 3342, which is incorporated into R 128 by reference. Loudness meter scales have been revised to conform to EBU - TECH 3341 and loudness can be displayed in absolute terms or relative to a user- adjustable reference level, which is typically -23 LBFS or -24 LKFS. Manual start/start mode is now available and maximum integration time has been extended to three hours, allowing users to measure the BS.1770 -2 Integrated loudness and Loudness Range of long-form programming like feature films. Many CDs are now mastered with gross amounts of digital-domain clipping, which can cause overshoots after D/A conversion. When clipped by analog circuitry in consumer playout devices, these overshoots will add still more distortion compared to the distortion added by the digital clipping alone. A new Reconstructed Peak meter runs at 384 kHz sample rate and indicates the peak level of the audio after D/A conversion with an accuracy of better than 0.2 dB, which is better than that required in Annex 2 of ITU-R Rec. BS.1770-2. The Reconstructed Peak meter allows mastering engineers to anticipate analog-domain clipping and to prevent it by slightly lowering maximum peak levels in the digital domain. The meter now allows users to write comma-delimited ASCII log files that can be imported into any common spreadsheet or graphing application for graphical display. Typical applications include graphing loudness vs. time and creating histograms. Logging can also be used to verify that television stations in the U.S. are complying with the CALM Act. The VU meter has been revised so that it can indicate levels above 0 VU. 0 VU can now be aligned to common line-up levels like -20 dBFS (SMPTE) or -18 dBFS (EBU). The PPM is now oversampled at 384 kHz, so it more accurately indicates the effect of short-duration peaks. The application now supports WASAPI Loopback operation in Windows Vista and 7. This allows the meter to monitor any sound device that uses the Windows WAVE audio system without depending on the specific features of a given sound device's driver. The Orban software is free to end users and is sponsored by Orban's Optimod-TV loudness controllers, including the 1101, 6300, 6585, and 8685. It can be downloaded from www.orban.com/meter. Although the current meter supports only mono and stereo programs, future enhancements will include 5.1-channel surround metering and loudness analysis of files in several formats. Just downloaded and tried it. Selected the right device, pressed the go button and - nothing. No response at all. The original meter os working fine. All sliders are in their default positions. The system is win7 with an M-Audio 2496 audiophile. I can make it work if I select Monitor as the input instead of Line 1/2 d |
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V2 of Orban loudess meter now posted
On 3/15/2012 8:49 PM, Robert Orban wrote:
ORBAN POSTS V2.0 OF ITS FREE LOUDNESS METER SOFTWARE FOR WINDOWS Thanks! What a great service, and education. I found only the EXE file in the ZIP that I downloaded, no Readme, no invite to read the Readme, and no installer, but when I ran the EXE, the meters ran. I guess that's all I need, and I found the Readme (great read!). I guess I must be lucky, it just works. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and interesting audio stuff |
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V2 of Orban loudess meter now posted
We will have an installer application for the meter soon.
Meanwhile, the executable should "just work" as long as the computer meets the requirements shown in the Readme, which can be found by cliking the "Installation Instructions" link on the orban.com/meter page. In article , says... On 3/15/2012 8:49 PM, Robert Orban wrote: ORBAN POSTS V2.0 OF ITS FREE LOUDNESS METER SOFTWARE FOR WINDOWS Thanks! What a great service, and education. I found only the EXE file in the ZIP that I downloaded, no Readme, no invite to read the Readme, and no installer, but when I ran the EXE, the meters ran. I guess that's all I need, and I found the Readme (great read!). I guess I must be lucky, it just works. |
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Robert,
Thanks for the history lesson on the technology page. My father worked at CTC under Ben Bauer. -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: If privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy. -- Philip Zimmermann iEYEARECAAYFAk9jkyAACgkQlZadkQh/RmEeHgCfQefOAZnSIWbtYIsV5buJJhXO qxYAoLCZ8xUJ6GfesWxjjO93JwYaofag =zKgw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Robert Orban wrote:
ORBAN POSTS V2.0 OF ITS FREE LOUDNESS METER SOFTWARE FOR WINDOWS Doesn't seem to work well on this here HP D530 sff (on board sound) with XP prof ... Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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David Gravereaux wrote:
text arrived as attachment Check your settings ... post arrived as attachment and not inline. Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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On 03/16/2012 12:56 PM, Peter Larsen wrote:
David Gravereaux wrote: text arrived as attachment Check your settings ... post arrived as attachment and not inline. Hey Peter, That's an OE bug, not me, sorry. The explain goes something like this: Outlook Express has a problem with MIME handling related to multipart/signed (RFC1847/MIME-Encyp) where a signed message that conforms to the 'OpenPGP Message Format' (RFC4880) does not display the body of the message when the body Content-Type is text/plain. The body is incorrectly presented as an attachment with an invented filename rather than being displayed as per the behavior described by MIME-Encyp for when an MUA does not support the specific verification method. Usenet as shown @ http://web.archive.org/web/200807190...enet/rules.txt (see section titled 'No binaries: "Usenet is Text"'). PGP/MIME is fully legit on usenet. This OE bug has existed since 2001 apparently, while the standards track status of MIME-Encyp predates that to around 1997. http://www.piacitelli.org/oe.php - a great rant -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: If privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy. -- Philip Zimmermann iEYEARECAAYFAk9jttMACgkQlZadkQh/RmFJSgCg8btlBN+VlBeEVK6E4iDejXK/ FHEAn3wO1QiR1/rcICfajFlWkkvZVp5n =rdqs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Cool looking software, and it works. If I only knew how to read it.
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Peter Larsen wrote:
David Gravereaux wrote: text arrived as attachment Check your settings ... post arrived as attachment and not inline. Kind regards Peter Larsen Been through this before over 6 months ago. Mr G uses some unique setting for posting, and won't change it. Or was it somebody else (maybe the only other person to ever insist in that setting) ? geoff |
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"geoff" wrote in message
... Peter Larsen wrote: David Gravereaux wrote: text arrived as attachment Check your settings ... post arrived as attachment and not inline. Kind regards Peter Larsen Been through this before over 6 months ago. Mr G uses some unique setting for posting, and won't change it. Or was it somebody else (maybe the only other person to ever insist in that setting) ? geoff It is Mr. G. I haven't read a post by him for several years. Maybe I've missed something wonderful, but I doubt it. Steve King |
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On 03/16/2012 09:33 PM, geoff wrote:
... Mr G uses some unique setting for posting, and won't change it. geoff uses a broken news program and tells me I'm doing it wrong. OE is probably five years into its End-of-life status by now. This is like complaining that convenient fast food isn't nutritious. I heard there's a patch to fix OE @ http://goo.gl/ujYq7 -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: If privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy. -- Philip Zimmermann iEYEARECAAYFAk9kvjgACgkQlZadkQh/RmFJbwCeMfLeJ5+4m3IXw5MTWPMJroPJ wAEAmwXPhafmtNELIDHnOlHAX+YrzuFp =NSSn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Steve King wrote:
"geoff" wrote in message ... Peter Larsen wrote: David Gravereaux wrote: text arrived as attachment Check your settings ... post arrived as attachment and not inline. Kind regards Peter Larsen Been through this before over 6 months ago. Mr G uses some unique setting for posting, and won't change it. Or was it somebody else (maybe the only other person to ever insist in that setting) ? geoff It is Mr. G. I haven't read a post by him for several years. Maybe I've missed something wonderful, but I doubt it. Yep. He's more interested in sticking to his software than he is in communicating. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidri |
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David Gravereaux wrote:
You remin AFAIK the only person to ever post here in this format, so I'll survive without updating my newsreaders to accomodate you. Thanks anyway. geoff |
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On 03/17/2012 06:42 PM, hank alrich wrote:
... Yep. He's more interested in sticking to his software than he is in communicating. I love to talk shop, but can't talk it here. I keep getting attacked by topic swap from folks telling me about their highly adored, outdated and buggy newsreader. Chalk up another reason why usenet is dying. -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: If privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy. -- Philip Zimmermann iEYEARECAAYFAk9osdUACgkQlZadkQh/RmGr9QCg9F9idBkDxzYB9mhEBOBx/byW hekAmQEcChCLf+gLR46HlPJ5ne7vESkD =lzjg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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On Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:49:57 PM UTC-4, Robert Orban wrote:
Many CDs are now mastered with gross amounts of digital-domain clipping, which can cause overshoots after D/A conversion. When clipped by analog circuitry in consumer playout devices, these overshoots will add still more distortion compared to the distortion added by the digital clipping alone. A new Reconstructed Peak meter runs at 384 kHz sample rate and indicates the peak level of the audio after D/A conversion with an accuracy of better than 0.2 dB, which is better than that required in Annex 2 of ITU-R Rec. BS.1770-2. The Reconstructed Peak meter allows mastering engineers to anticipate analog-domain clipping and to prevent it by slightly lowering maximum peak levels in the digital domain. _________ ANY engineer who consciously engages in the above practice, knowingly, at their own discretion or at the request of ANY client(be it the artist, the producer, A&R, or the label) should be removed at once from that studio and never be allowed to work in audio recording again! I know, I know, it's "all about the money". But common sense is also common sense. The equipment is designed to operate within certain parameters, and any recording, or post/mastering engineer should frickn' know better. End of rant.. -ChrisCoaster |
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On Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:49:57 PM UTC-4, Robert Orban wrote: Many CDs are now mastered with gross amounts of digital-domain clipping, which can cause overshoots after D/A conversion. When clipped by analog circuitry in consumer playout devices, these overshoots will add still more distortion compared to the distortion added by the digital clipping alone. A new Reconstructed Peak meter runs at 384 kHz sample rate and indicates the peak level of the audio after D/A conversion with an accuracy of better than 0.2 dB, which is better than that required in Annex 2 of ITU-R Rec. BS.1770-2. The Reconstructed Peak meter allows mastering engineers to anticipate analog-domain clipping and to prevent it by slightly lowering maximum peak levels in the digital domain. _________ ANY engineer who consciously engages in the above practice, knowingly, at their own discretion or at the request of ANY client(be it the artist, the producer, A&R, or the label) should be removed at once from that studio and never be allowed to work in audio recording again! I know, I know, it's "all about the money". But common sense is also common sense. The equipment is designed to operate within certain parameters, and any recording, or post/mastering engineer should frickn' know better. Let's say you're a contractor. You get hired to build something. You are provided specfic instructions and plans. You decide to build it very differently because you think the desired design is ugly. How long you think you will be in business? You don't seem to have much grasp on how service industries work. It is rarely the mastering engineer's call. Lables, artists, producers, any and/or all want the work done a certain way. You either do it that way or you find another line of work. You are not exhibiting much "common sense" about this. All about the money = being able to afford to live. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidri |
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On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 3:28:37 PM UTC-4, hank alrich wrote:
Let's say you're a contractor. You get hired to build something. You are provided specfic instructions and plans. You decide to build it very differently because you think the desired design is ugly. How long you think you will be in business? You don't seem to have much grasp on how service industries work. It is rarely the mastering engineer's call. Lables, artists, producers, any and/or all want the work done a certain way. You either do it that way or you find another line of work. You are not exhibiting much "common sense" about this. All about the money = being able to afford to live. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidri _________________________ It's not necessarily about "aesthetics" - as in does it look good? It's about both sounding good and being produced in a technically correct fashion. It is outside the scope of my morality to overmodulate or overdrive a format even if I am being told to or "paid to". And this: is none of the above! It not only doesn't sound good, it's harmful to one's hearing(you have to listen to it at a whisper because so much content is contained within a 2dB range of volume - your receiver volume is at or two out of ten and your significant other is complaining her ears hurt!) AND harmful to the equipment it is being played on(both the ventilation holes on top of my receiver, and the coils of my speakers, were very hot from playing this hypercompressed material). I had to put on some original CD AC/DC just too get the cones moving again to cool things down! Seriously. Even at relatively loud volume levels, tracks such as "Bohemian Rhapsody"(Queen) and "Back In Black" do not cause my receiver to warm up, because there is breathing room between the beats and between verses & choruses. I'd rather engineer for -15dBfs with a dynamic range from -25 to -5. Just because that leaves a lot of "space" represented graphically doesn't mean all that space needs to be filled with sound all the time. What the heck wrong with people?? I'm living in the wrong decade I guess. -CC |
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On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 3:28:37 PM UTC-4, hank alrich wrote:
Let's say you're a contractor. You get hired to build something. You are provided specfic instructions and plans. You decide to build it very differently because you think the desired design is ugly. How long you think you will be in business? You don't seem to have much grasp on how service industries work. It is rarely the mastering engineer's call. Lables, artists, producers, any and/or all want the work done a certain way. You either do it that way or you find another line of work. You are not exhibiting much "common sense" about this. All about the money = being able to afford to live. _______________________ _________________________ It's not necessarily about "aesthetics" - as in does it look good? It's about both sounding good and being produced in a technically correct fashion. It is outside the scope of my morality to overmodulate or overdrive a format even if I am being told to or "paid to". And this: http://i369.photobucket.com/albums/o...sofourtime.jpg is none of the above! It not only doesn't sound good, it's harmful to one's hearing(you have to listen to it at a whisper because so much content is contained within a 2dB range of volume - your receiver volume is at or two out of ten and your significant other is complaining her ears hurt!) AND harmful to the equipment it is being played on(both the ventilation holes on top of my receiver, and the coils of my speakers, were very hot from playing this hypercompressed material). I had to put on some original CD AC/DC just too get the cones moving again to cool things down! Seriously. Even at relatively loud volume levels, tracks such as "Bohemian Rhapsody"(Queen) "Back In Black" or "1812 Overture" on Telarc do not cause my receiver to warm up appreciably, because there is breathing room between the beats and between verses & choruses. I'd rather engineer for -15dBfs with a dynamic range from -25 to -5. Just because that leaves a lot of "space" represented graphically doesn't mean all that space needs to be filled with sound all the time. What the heck wrong with people?? I'm living in the wrong decade I guess. -CC |
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On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 3:28:37 PM UTC-4, hank alrich wrote:
Let's say you're a contractor. You get hired to build something. You are provided specfic instructions and plans. You decide to build it very differently because you think the desired design is ugly. How long you think you will be in business? You don't seem to have much grasp on how service industries work. It is rarely the mastering engineer's call. Lables, artists, producers, any and/or all want the work done a certain way. You either do it that way or you find another line of work. You are not exhibiting much "common sense" about this. All about the money = being able to afford to live. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ _________________________ It's not necessarily about "aesthetics" - as in does it look good? It's about both sounding good and being produced in a technically correct fashion. It is outside the scope of my morality to overmodulate or overdrive a format even if I am being told to or "paid to". And this: http://i369.photobucket.com/albums/o...sofourtime.jpg is none of the above! It not only doesn't sound good, it's harmful to one's hearing(you have to listen to it at a whisper because so much content is contained within a 2dB range of volume - your receiver volume is at or two out of ten and your significant other is complaining her ears hurt!) AND harmful to the equipment it is being played on(both the ventilation holes on top of my receiver, and the coils of my speakers, were very hot from playing this hypercompressed material). I had to put on some original CD AC/DC just too get the cones moving again to cool things down! Seriously. Even at relatively loud volume levels, tracks such as "Bohemian Rhapsody"(Queen) and "Back In Black" do not cause my receiver to warm up, because there is breathing room between the beats and between verses & choruses. I'd rather engineer for -15dBfs with a dynamic range from -25 to -5. Just because that leaves a lot of "space" represented graphically doesn't mean all that space needs to be filled with sound all the time. What the heck wrong with people?? I'm living in the wrong decade I guess. -CC |
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On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 3:28:37 PM UTC-4, hank alrich wrote:
Let's say you're a contractor. You get hired to build something. You are provided specfic instructions and plans. You decide to build it very differently because you think the desired design is ugly. How long you think you will be in business? You don't seem to have much grasp on how service industries work. It is rarely the mastering engineer's call. Lables, artists, producers, any and/or all want the work done a certain way. You either do it that way or you find another line of work. You are not exhibiting much "common sense" about this. All about the money = being able to afford to live. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ ______________ GOOGLE GROUPS SUCKS I DON'T CARE IF THIS QUADRUPLE POSTS!!!! _________________________ It's not necessarily about "aesthetics" - as in does it look good? It's about both sounding good and being produced in a technically correct fashion. It is outside the scope of my morality to overmodulate or overdrive a format even if I am being told to or "paid to". And this: http://i369.photobucket.com/albums/o...sofourtime.jpg is none of the above! It not only doesn't sound good, it's harmful to one's hearing(you have to listen to it at a whisper because so much content is contained within a 2dB range of volume - your receiver volume is at or two out of ten and your significant other is complaining her ears hurt!) AND harmful to the equipment it is being played on(both the ventilation holes on top of my receiver, and the coils of my speakers, were very hot from playing this hypercompressed material). I had to put on some original CD AC/DC just too get the cones moving again to cool things down! Seriously. Even at relatively loud volume levels, tracks such as "Bohemian Rhapsody"(Queen) and "Back In Black" do not cause my receiver to warm up, because there is breathing room between the beats and between verses & choruses. I'd rather engineer for -15dBfs with a dynamic range from -25 to -5. Just because that leaves a lot of "space" represented graphically doesn't mean all that space needs to be filled with sound all the time. What the heck wrong with people?? I'm living in the wrong decade I guess. -CC |
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On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 3:28:37 PM UTC-4, hank alrich wrote: Let's say you're a contractor. You get hired to build something. You are provided specfic instructions and plans. You decide to build it very differently because you think the desired design is ugly. How long you think you will be in business? You don't seem to have much grasp on how service industries work. It is rarely the mastering engineer's call. Lables, artists, producers, any and/or all want the work done a certain way. You either do it that way or you find another line of work. You are not exhibiting much "common sense" about this. All about the money = being able to afford to live. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidri _________________________ It's not necessarily about "aesthetics" - as in does it look good? It's about both sounding good and being produced in a technically correct fashion. Wrong. We're talking esthetics, from the client's perspective, in some cases. It is outside the scope of my morality to overmodulate or overdrive a format even if I am being told to or "paid to". This is not about morality. You could hardly venture further off topic. Almost as far as suggesting you'd be paid to do this work. And this: is none of the above! It not only doesn't sound good, There's the crux. It sounds good to the people paying the tab. It's that simple. I do not agree with them. That does not concern them, either. it's harmful to one's hearing(you have to listen to it You do not have to listen to it. Take some personal responsibility. at a whisper because so much content is contained within a 2dB range of volume - your receiver volume I don't have a receiver. is at or two out of ten and your significant other is complaining her ears hurt!) Doesn't happen at our house. I don' tlisten to that stuff, and neither does she. AND harmful to the equipment it is being played on(both the ventilation holes on top of my receiver, and the coils of my speakers, were very hot from playing this hypercompressed material). Yet you played it, and long enough to get that result. Do you lack all selfcontrol? I had to put on some original CD AC/DC just too get the cones moving again to cool things down! Seriously. I'm not sorry to say I cannot take much of this seriously. Even at relatively loud volume levels, tracks such as "Bohemian Rhapsody"(Queen) and "Back In Black" do not cause my receiver to warm up, because there is breathing room between the beats and between verses & choruses. Regardless of the material I do not listen at relatively loud levels. I'd rather engineer for -15dBfs with a dynamic range from -25 to -5. Just because that leaves a lot of "space" represented graphically doesn't mean all that space needs to be filled with sound all the time. What the heck wrong with people?? They listen to musical sounds that they hate and then complain about it on Usenet? Look, you talk about how you'd do work you don't do. I'll tell you that you wouldn't survive in this business for two weeks unless your clients were such that they didn't expect any of their work to need to compete over a broadcast channel. Few of those clients/producers/label people understand enough about human hearing, musical dynamics, and broadcast processing to make what I consider informed choices. I think they shoot themselves in the foot, and then in the ear. But I do understand why they think they need to be as loud on the radio as the next artist. I may not agree with the results, but I know how folks got there. I'm living in the wrong decade I guess. See above... -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidri |
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GOOGLE GROUPS SUCKS I DON'T CARE IF THIS QUADRUPLE POSTS!!!! You don't care about a high noise floor? -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidri |
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On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 5:29:59 PM UTC-4, Jeff Henig wrote:
-CC I guess it was important enough to say it four times, huh? ;^) -- ---Jeff _____________ The version with the link to the image should still be up. Here is the image: And this: http://i369.photobucket.com/albums/o...sofourtime.jpg is none of the above -CC |
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On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 6:00:53 PM UTC-4, hank alrich wrote:
.net wrote: GOOGLE GROUPS SUCKS I DON'T CARE IF THIS QUADRUPLE POSTS!!!! You don't care about a high noise floor? -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidri ______________ NOW who's living in the past? LOL. We are talking digital here, aren't we? Minimum 256kbps Mp3, or WAVs or FLACs. Shouldn't have to worry about noise floor unless you're creating versions of songs to be played exclusively inside crowded passenger jets or convertibles doin' 90! -CC On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 6:00:53 PM UTC-4, hank alrich wrote: .net wrote: GOOGLE GROUPS SUCKS I DON'T CARE IF THIS QUADRUPLE POSTS!!!! You don't care about a high noise floor? -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidri ______________ High noise floor? Now whos living in the past? LOL. We are talking digital here, arent we? Mp3 minimum 256kbps, or WAV or FLAC, should have no problem, unless youre mastering versions of songs to be played exclusively inside crowded passenger jets or in convertibles doin 90 with the top down! -CC |
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On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 6:00:53 PM UTC-4, hank alrich wrote:
.net wrote: GOOGLE GROUPS SUCKS I DON'T CARE IF THIS QUADRUPLE POSTS!!!! You don't care about a high noise floor? -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidri ______________ NOW who's living in the past? LOL. We are talking digital here, aren't we? Minimum 256kbps Mp3, or WAVs or FLACs. Shouldn't have to worry about noise floor unless you're creating versions of songs to be played exclusively inside crowded passenger jets or convertibles doin' 90! |
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On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 6:00:53 PM UTC-4, hank alrich wrote:
.net wrote: GOOGLE GROUPS SUCKS I DON'T CARE IF THIS QUADRUPLE POSTS!!!! You don't care about a high noise floor? -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidri ______________ NOW who's living in the past? LOL. We are talking digital here, aren't we? Minimum 256kbps Mp3, or WAVs or FLACs. Shouldn't have to worry about noise floor unless you're creating versions of songs to be played exclusively inside crowded passenger jets or convertibles doin' 90! |
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уторак, 20. март 2012. 23..40.24 UTC+1, је написао/ла:
On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 5:29:59 PM UTC-4, Jeff Henig wrote: -CC I guess it was important enough to say it four times, huh? ;^) -- ---Jeff _____________ The version with the link to the image should still be up. Here is the image: And this: http://i369.photobucket.com/albums/o...sofourtime.jpg is none of the above -CC i see nothing wrong with the picture. It's 7+ minutes squeezed onto screen. only when you zoom in you can see if something's distorte. Unless the waveform is of something well known, we all know should have quiet pasages. |
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On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:05:47 PM UTC-4, Luxey wrote:
i see nothing wrong with the picture. It's 7+ minutes squeezed onto screen. only when you zoom in you can see if something's distorte. Unless the waveform is of something well known, we all know should have quiet pasages. ___________ Well here's what properly captured/engineered music should look like: http://www.audioproductionroom.com/w...eform_eggs.gif A little dramatic, but it rises and falls with the choruses & tempos. -CC |
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среда, 21. март 2012. 00.28.00 UTC+1, је написао/ла:
On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:05:47 PM UTC-4, Luxey wrote: i see nothing wrong with the picture. It's 7+ minutes squeezed onto screen. only when you zoom in you can see if something's distorte. Unless the waveform is of something well known, we all know should have quiet pasages. ___________ Well here's what properly captured/engineered music should look like: http://www.audioproductionroom.com/w...eform_eggs.gif A little dramatic, but it rises and falls with the choruses & tempos. -CC Pure trash core punk, I guess. |
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On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:44:42 PM UTC-4, Luxey wrote:
среда, 21. март 2012. 00.28.00 UTC+1, је написао/ла: On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:05:47 PM UTC-4, Luxey wrote: i see nothing wrong with the picture. It's 7+ minutes squeezed onto screen. only when you zoom in you can see if something's distorte. Unless the waveform is of something well known, we all know should have quiet pasages. ___________ Well here's what properly captured/engineered music should look like: http://www.audioproductionroom.com/w...eform_eggs.gif A little dramatic, but it rises and falls with the choruses & tempos. -CC Pure trash core punk, I guess. _____________ Quite the opposite. Punk would look like a "sausage" waveform. No air at all! -CC |
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среда, 21. март 2012. 00.59.44 UTC+1, је написао/ла:
On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:44:42 PM UTC-4, Luxey wrote: среда, 21. март 2012. 00.28.00 UTC+1, је написао/ла: On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:05:47 PM UTC-4, Luxey wrote: i see nothing wrong with the picture. It's 7+ minutes squeezed onto screen. only when you zoom in you can see if something's distorte. Unless the waveform is of something well known, we all know should have quiet pasages. ___________ Well here's what properly captured/engineered music should look like: http://www.audioproductionroom.com/w...eform_eggs.gif A little dramatic, but it rises and falls with the choruses & tempos.. -CC Pure trash core punk, I guess. _____________ Quite the opposite. Punk would look like a "sausage" waveform. No air at all! -CC I was sarcastic. Point was, your pictur of proper mix/ master is quite improper for trash core. Hope I came through this time. |
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Clear as mud! Thanks.
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You need to visit turnmeup, hank. Plenty of sites just like them will evrn tell you: You DON'T have to "mix for radio"! There is no difference between the volume of a song hypercompressed in the studio going over the radio and the same song dynamically vibrant going over the air. The station's processors will make everything the same volume. In "Stairway to Heaven" the first five opening plucks of the acoustic guitar will sound as loud as the crescendo '...and as we wind on xown the road..'. If you don't understand that then YOU don't belong in this trade!
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Well what he's saying about songs destined to be played over the radio flies in the face of everything those anti-loudness war sites stand for! I will not cave!
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You need to visit turnmeup, hank. Plenty of sites just like them will evrn tell you: You DON'T have to "mix for radio"! There is no difference between the volume of a song hypercompressed in the studio going over the radio and the same song dynamically vibrant going over the air. The station's processors will make everything the same volume. In "Stairway to Heaven" the first five opening plucks of the acoustic guitar will sound as loud as the crescendo '...and as we wind on xown the road..'. If you don't understand that then YOU don't belong in this trade! respectfully, -ChrisCoaster I hit Tunemeup when it first came up, and I have stated this before. You need to pay attention to what is being said to you and to try to exercise your memory. Websties can tell you whatever someone wants to tell you. Have you ever mixed something for broadcast? I'll be blunt: I know a lot more than you do about this stuff. My own CD jumps out of the car CD player when it follows most other stuff we might play there, and it's all of three acoustic instruments. I know why. You needn't be lecturing me about this stuff, because you're not qualified at that level. Due to spectral differences you are incorrect stating that broadcast processing will make all sources equally loud. It's this simple: you listen to stuff that irritates you and then come here and whine about it _instead of turning off the friggin' racket_ and choosing another activity. I choose to play music more than I choose to listen to prerecorded music. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidri |
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On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 6:00:53 PM UTC-4, hank alrich wrote: .net wrote: GOOGLE GROUPS SUCKS I DON'T CARE IF THIS QUADRUPLE POSTS!!!! You don't care about a high noise floor? -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidri ______________ NOW who's living in the past? LOL. We are talking digital here, aren't we? Minimum 256kbps Mp3, or WAVs or FLACs. Shouldn't have to worry about noise floor unless you're creating versions of songs to be played exclusively inside crowded passenger jets or convertibles doin' 90! We do not really need three of every post from you. Seriously, dude. The noise floor is you with your capslock key stuck on, and not giving a **** that you post three or four times the very same message. _That_ is the noise to which I refer. You want to tell enigneers how to do the job, invoke "morality" as if it had anything to do with pop music, but you can't work Usenet. Get a grip. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidri |
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 20:15:21 -0700, ckozicki wrote:
Well what he's saying about songs destined to be played over the radio flies in the face of everything those anti-loudness war sites stand for! I will not cave! "The customer is always right" -- Anahata --/-- http://www.treewind.co.uk +44 (0)1638 720444 |
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anahata wrote:
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 20:15:21 -0700, ckozicki wrote: Well what he's saying about songs destined to be played over the radio flies in the face of everything those anti-loudness war sites stand for! I will not cave! "The customer is always right" And that holds even when the customer is wrong. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidri |
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