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I know this may not be the most computer-focused forum to ask, but
since many r.a.p.ers are musicians-turned recordists who then needed to become computer savy (as I did): how much of a pain is it to install a second hard drive? And after installation, what problems may surface? I have added memory and installed PCI cards in my household-internet PC (IBM PII)and on my audio PC (Dell PIII). I have replaced a bad sync card in an ADAT and I have replaced the battery in a Korg M1 (hey, don't laugh: that was the hardest of all the things listed). What I anticipate doing is buying a Maxtor hard drive from the local Gateway outlet (which has no service department!) and install it in the household PC (the old drive -- the PC was new in 1998 -- is getting very funky). If that goes well, I might add a second hard drive for the audio PC. I have only used that PC for editing, not for tracking, so I have only one hard drive in it now. Any experiences to share? Thanks. |
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"Darrell Klein" wrote in message om... I know this may not be the most computer-focused forum to ask, but since many r.a.p.ers are musicians-turned recordists who then needed to become computer savy (as I did): how much of a pain is it to install a second hard drive? And after installation, what problems may surface? I have added memory and installed PCI cards in my household-internet PC (IBM PII)and on my audio PC (Dell PIII). I have replaced a bad sync card in an ADAT and I have replaced the battery in a Korg M1 (hey, don't laugh: that was the hardest of all the things listed). What I anticipate doing is buying a Maxtor hard drive from the local Gateway outlet (which has no service department!) and install it in the household PC (the old drive -- the PC was new in 1998 -- is getting very funky). If that goes well, I might add a second hard drive for the audio PC. I have only used that PC for editing, not for tracking, so I have only one hard drive in it now. Any experiences to share? Thanks. Yes, IMO Maxtor has the easiest install software. It walks you through setting up a new hard drive and migrating all that info to the new drive. Of course, there's also reliablity...which appears to be really good (no better no worse than any other drive I've owned). Good luck! |
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(Darrell Klein) wrote in message . com...
Any experiences to share? Thanks. Yes, be certain that any important data is backed up before you go inside. Also make sure you have the jumper for MASTER removed before adding the drive to your CPU's internal buss. Back in April I added a third hard drive to my Mac's internal buss (also a no no) and when I booted the CPU up again the entire system went haywire. In the end we salvaged the system drive but my ProTools working drive was shot. Data recovery was estimated to be in the 4 digit range...at LEAST. Seems the misconfiguration scrambled the whole system. It didnt work right for months after that. The irony is I was on the phone with a friend as I was doing this and when I described to him what I intended to do he insisted I back up first. I laughed and said "it wasn't a big deal since I move drives on my internal system all the time." My policies changed after this experience. Again if you are doing it yourself be smart....backup first. ---- Dusk Bennett Producer/Engineer Stigmata Recorders Los Angeles, Ca www.stigmatarecorders.com |
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"Darrell Klein" wrote in message
om I know this may not be the most computer-focused forum to ask, but since many r.a.p.ers are musicians-turned recordists who then needed to become computer savy (as I did): how much of a pain is it to install a second hard drive? It ranges from trivial to impossible, depending. I do it all the time, but then again, I do it all the time. And after installation, what problems may surface? You may loose all of your data, so be sure it's backed up. |
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Hi John. Thanks. You've given me good advice in the past (kick mic's
and pedals). I tried to post this last night and could not, so I e-mailed you. Now I can post so I'll put the post into the thread. The IBM household computer is running Win 98OE; it has a Generic IDE Disk Type 02; a CDROM Hitachi CDR-8430; and generic NEC Floppy drive. It is connected to the Internet via Ethernet card-Road Runner cable access. It is also connected to a p-n-p CRT monitor and an HP printer. The new hard drive would be a replacement. Data preservation (we fear the current HD is failing) is the motivation. The Dell audio computer is running Win98SE; it has a Generic IDE Disk Type 47; a CD burner Sony CD-RW CRX14OE and generic NEC Floppy drive. It has never been connected to the Internet and is not connected to a printer. Any added HD would be for storage. P.S. The Maxtors I've looked at say they need Win98SE minimum. Adding a Maxtor may be out. I may just get a new PC and transfer the data. "John L Rice" wrote in message ... I think it's really pretty easy but doing that sort of thing has been at least occasionally part of my day job for over ten years.. A few questions first : - what OS are you using - what hard drive interface and internal or external ( IDE, SCSI, SATA, USB, Firewire, ect ) - besides your existing hard drive what other drives do you already have connected ( like CDR, DVD, ZIP drives etc ) - are you planning on replacing the existing hard drive with the new one or is it going to be a second drive for storage, etc Also, check out http://www.allstarshop.com/shop/shop.asp for good prices and service on hard drive and other computer components. I've shopped with them for years. Best of luck! John L Rice "Darrell Klein" wrote in message om... [snip]how much of a pain is it to install a second hard drive? [snip] |
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"Darrell Klein" wrote in message
om Hi John. Thanks. You've given me good advice in the past (kick mic's and pedals). I tried to post this last night and could not, so I e-mailed you. Now I can post so I'll put the post into the thread. The IBM household computer is running Win 98OE; it has a Generic IDE Disk Type 02; a CDROM Hitachi CDR-8430; and generic NEC Floppy drive. It is connected to the Internet via Ethernet card-Road Runner cable access. It is also connected to a p-n-p CRT monitor and an HP printer. The new hard drive would be a replacement. Data preservation (we fear the current HD is failing) is the motivation. If you think a hard drive is failing, address the issue yesterday or sooner! The Dell audio computer is running Win98SE; it has a Generic IDE Disk Type 47; a CD burner Sony CD-RW CRX14OE and generic NEC Floppy drive. It has never been connected to the Internet and is not connected to a printer. Any added HD would be for storage. P.S. The Maxtors I've looked at say they need Win98SE minimum. Adding a Maxtor may be out. I may just get a new PC and transfer the data. I don't know of any problems with Win98OE and any particular brand of IDE hard drive. I have installed enough Maxtors to know if there was one. Firewire and USB-2 support might be a problem, but for internal drives, they are irrelevant. The only serious issue is BIOS support for hard drives 16 GB or 40 GB. Most hard drive vendor's consumer-pack hard drives come with a utility for copying the contents of hard drives, that address this issue on the fly. |
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If you think a hard drive is failing, address the issue yesterday or sooner!
Yeah, that's where I am. Close to being a day late (at least I'm not a dollar short). I don't know of any problems with Win98OE and any particular brand of IDE hard drive. I have installed enough Maxtors to know if there was one. Firewire and USB-2 support might be a problem, but for internal drives, they are irrelevant. The only serious issue is BIOS support for hard drives 16 GB or 40 GB. Most hard drive vendor's consumer-pack hard drives come with a utility for copying the contents of hard drives, that address this issue on the fly. Thanks Arny. I couldn't for the life of me figure out why the hard drive could care less what OS is being run. It says it's a system requirement on the Maxtor box. maybe that's for the guide-you-through-the-process help that comes with it? Either way, it's no big deal, as I am going to get a 40 GB drive, and if it won't work on the IBM, I'll put it in the Dell. I have already backed up every file that I can fit on floppys. There are two databases that are huge, though that I have not been able to back up. the BIOS, is there any way I could check? Again, this is not critical: I am going to get a replacement PC anyway, and if the Maxtor doesn't work on the IBM, it'll go into the Dell. The Maxtor drive is an immediate short-term fix. I cannot believe how the prices have fallen. 40 GB is $49. |
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If you think a hard drive is failing, address the issue yesterday or sooner!
Yeah, that's where I am. Close to being a day late (at least I'm not a dollar short). I don't know of any problems with Win98OE and any particular brand of IDE hard drive. I have installed enough Maxtors to know if there was one. Firewire and USB-2 support might be a problem, but for internal drives, they are irrelevant. The only serious issue is BIOS support for hard drives 16 GB or 40 GB. Most hard drive vendor's consumer-pack hard drives come with a utility for copying the contents of hard drives, that address this issue on the fly. Thanks Arny. I couldn't for the life of me figure out why the hard drive could care less what OS is being run. It says it's a system requirement on the Maxtor box. maybe that's for the guide-you-through-the-process help that comes with it? Either way, it's no big deal, as I am going to get a 40 GB drive, and if it won't work on the IBM, I'll put it in the Dell. I have already backed up every file that I can fit on floppys. There are two databases that are huge, though that I have not been able to back up. the BIOS, is there any way I could check? Again, this is not critical: I am going to get a replacement PC anyway, and if the Maxtor doesn't work on the IBM, it'll go into the Dell. The Maxtor drive is an immediate short-term fix. I cannot believe how the prices have fallen. 40 GB is $49. |
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"Darrell Klein" wrote in message
om If you think a hard drive is failing, address the issue yesterday or sooner! Yeah, that's where I am. Close to being a day late (at least I'm not a dollar short). I don't know of any problems with Win98OE and any particular brand of IDE hard drive. I have installed enough Maxtors to know if there was one. Firewire and USB-2 support might be a problem, but for internal drives, they are irrelevant. The only serious issue is BIOS support for hard drives 16 GB or 40 GB. Most hard drive vendor's consumer-pack hard drives come with a utility for copying the contents of hard drives, that address this issue on the fly. Thanks Arny. I couldn't for the life of me figure out why the hard drive could care less what OS is being run. It says it's a system requirement on the Maxtor box. maybe that's for the guide-you-through-the-process help that comes with it? Usually the installer is a bootable floppy so your current OS release doesn't matter. Either way, it's no big deal, as I am going to get a 40 GB drive, and if it won't work on the IBM, I'll put it in the Dell. I have already backed up every file that I can fit on floppys. There are two databases that are huge, though that I have not been able to back up. Too bad. the BIOS, is there any way I could check? I know of no reasonable way to do that in advance. Again, this is not critical: I am going to get a replacement PC anyway, and if the Maxtor doesn't work on the IBM, it'll go into the Dell. The Maxtor drive is an immediate short-term fix. I cannot believe how the prices have fallen. 40 GB is $49. |
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"Darrell Klein" wrote in message
om If you think a hard drive is failing, address the issue yesterday or sooner! Yeah, that's where I am. Close to being a day late (at least I'm not a dollar short). I don't know of any problems with Win98OE and any particular brand of IDE hard drive. I have installed enough Maxtors to know if there was one. Firewire and USB-2 support might be a problem, but for internal drives, they are irrelevant. The only serious issue is BIOS support for hard drives 16 GB or 40 GB. Most hard drive vendor's consumer-pack hard drives come with a utility for copying the contents of hard drives, that address this issue on the fly. Thanks Arny. I couldn't for the life of me figure out why the hard drive could care less what OS is being run. It says it's a system requirement on the Maxtor box. maybe that's for the guide-you-through-the-process help that comes with it? Usually the installer is a bootable floppy so your current OS release doesn't matter. Either way, it's no big deal, as I am going to get a 40 GB drive, and if it won't work on the IBM, I'll put it in the Dell. I have already backed up every file that I can fit on floppys. There are two databases that are huge, though that I have not been able to back up. Too bad. the BIOS, is there any way I could check? I know of no reasonable way to do that in advance. Again, this is not critical: I am going to get a replacement PC anyway, and if the Maxtor doesn't work on the IBM, it'll go into the Dell. The Maxtor drive is an immediate short-term fix. I cannot believe how the prices have fallen. 40 GB is $49. |
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maxtor drives are whiney.
i have one right now, and it's annoying as hell. going to bump it down to a usb backup drive soon. put your new drive on the same ide ribbon as the system drive. set the system drive jumpers to master, and the 2nd drive to slave. then format the drive. new letters in "my computer" will appear for every new partition. so if you partition the drive into 4, you will then have 5 drives in your "my computer" section of your os. 1 original + 4 new the letters will be C, D, E, F but might skip a letter if it's still calling the cd rom E. your system drive will stay C, the new one(s) will be the new letters. |
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maxtor drives are whiney.
i have one right now, and it's annoying as hell. going to bump it down to a usb backup drive soon. put your new drive on the same ide ribbon as the system drive. set the system drive jumpers to master, and the 2nd drive to slave. then format the drive. new letters in "my computer" will appear for every new partition. so if you partition the drive into 4, you will then have 5 drives in your "my computer" section of your os. 1 original + 4 new the letters will be C, D, E, F but might skip a letter if it's still calling the cd rom E. your system drive will stay C, the new one(s) will be the new letters. |
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Darrell Klein wrote:
I know this may not be the most computer-focused forum to ask, but since many r.a.p.ers are musicians-turned recordists who then needed to become computer savy (as I did): how much of a pain is it to install a second hard drive? How much pain does opening the case and plugging in a drive to the ( hopefully ) pre-exisitng wiring feel like ? Just make sure it's set to be a slave ( set the jumpers ) assuming both the IDE channels in your PC already have master drives on them ( normally System disk and CD-ROM ). You'll need to let the BIOS detect the drive. That's normally a case of pressing the DEL key whilst booting - got to 'standard ? cmos settings' and the Bios will usually have an auto-detect feature. Check your motherboard manual. And after installation, what problems may surface? You may have to format the drive. Otherwise none. Any experiences to share? Thanks. Don't even start. I've had dozens of SCSI drives hanging off video editing kit. They normally work fine. Mixing the various 'flavours' of SCSI can catch out the unwary though. Graham |
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Darrell Klein wrote:
I know this may not be the most computer-focused forum to ask, but since many r.a.p.ers are musicians-turned recordists who then needed to become computer savy (as I did): how much of a pain is it to install a second hard drive? How much pain does opening the case and plugging in a drive to the ( hopefully ) pre-exisitng wiring feel like ? Just make sure it's set to be a slave ( set the jumpers ) assuming both the IDE channels in your PC already have master drives on them ( normally System disk and CD-ROM ). You'll need to let the BIOS detect the drive. That's normally a case of pressing the DEL key whilst booting - got to 'standard ? cmos settings' and the Bios will usually have an auto-detect feature. Check your motherboard manual. And after installation, what problems may surface? You may have to format the drive. Otherwise none. Any experiences to share? Thanks. Don't even start. I've had dozens of SCSI drives hanging off video editing kit. They normally work fine. Mixing the various 'flavours' of SCSI can catch out the unwary though. Graham |
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Darrell Klein wrote:
P.S. The Maxtors I've looked at say they need Win98SE minimum. Adding a Maxtor may be out. I may just get a new PC and transfer the data. Rubbish ! They may need W98SE for their 'clever software' to run but doing it manually is prolly quicker. *Any* IDE drive will install on any suitable motherboard even regardless of UDMA / 33 / 66 / 100 / 133 etc. Everything IDE is backwards compatible. You could install a Maxtor ( or any ) drive on a DOS PC if you wanted. DOS will have to partition it though and won't see over 9GB total - bit it'll still install ! Third party utilities *might* even get over the 9GB hurdle for DOS - haven't beent there for a while. Graham |
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Darrell Klein wrote:
P.S. The Maxtors I've looked at say they need Win98SE minimum. Adding a Maxtor may be out. I may just get a new PC and transfer the data. Rubbish ! They may need W98SE for their 'clever software' to run but doing it manually is prolly quicker. *Any* IDE drive will install on any suitable motherboard even regardless of UDMA / 33 / 66 / 100 / 133 etc. Everything IDE is backwards compatible. You could install a Maxtor ( or any ) drive on a DOS PC if you wanted. DOS will have to partition it though and won't see over 9GB total - bit it'll still install ! Third party utilities *might* even get over the 9GB hurdle for DOS - haven't beent there for a while. Graham |
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Arny Krueger wrote:. The new hard drive would be a replacement. Data preservation (we fear the current HD is failing) is the motivation. What warning signs make you think that ? Does your motherboard have 'SMART' capability for hard disks ? Self Monitoring And Reporting Technology. Mine's 3 yrs old and does have. Needs enabling in the BIOS. Gives a status report at boot up. Mine says 'Status OK' every time. If you think a hard drive is failing, address the issue yesterday or sooner! Yup ! The only serious issue is BIOS support for hard drives 16 GB or 40 GB. Most hard drive vendor's consumer-pack hard drives come with a utility for copying the contents of hard drives, that address this issue on the fly. Darrell said he wanted to 'add' a second hard drive originally. That's very different to transferring the existing contents of the existing drive. You need Norton Ghost, Drive Image or similar. Retail versions of hard drives often come with one or other. Then you have to make your new drive the master. Graham |
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Arny Krueger wrote:. The new hard drive would be a replacement. Data preservation (we fear the current HD is failing) is the motivation. What warning signs make you think that ? Does your motherboard have 'SMART' capability for hard disks ? Self Monitoring And Reporting Technology. Mine's 3 yrs old and does have. Needs enabling in the BIOS. Gives a status report at boot up. Mine says 'Status OK' every time. If you think a hard drive is failing, address the issue yesterday or sooner! Yup ! The only serious issue is BIOS support for hard drives 16 GB or 40 GB. Most hard drive vendor's consumer-pack hard drives come with a utility for copying the contents of hard drives, that address this issue on the fly. Darrell said he wanted to 'add' a second hard drive originally. That's very different to transferring the existing contents of the existing drive. You need Norton Ghost, Drive Image or similar. Retail versions of hard drives often come with one or other. Then you have to make your new drive the master. Graham |
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"anthony.gosnell" wrote in message ...
While you are adding a second hard drive you should install a removable hard drive bay. These are cheap and allow you to swap out your hard drive without opening the computer. This means that you can very easily backup your computer onto a hard drive which you then remove and store in a safe place. Removable hard drive bays only cost about $10. Great idea. Will do. |
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"anthony.gosnell" wrote in message ...
While you are adding a second hard drive you should install a removable hard drive bay. These are cheap and allow you to swap out your hard drive without opening the computer. This means that you can very easily backup your computer onto a hard drive which you then remove and store in a safe place. Removable hard drive bays only cost about $10. Great idea. Will do. |
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Darrell Klein wrote:
I couldn't for the life of me figure out why the hard drive could care less what OS is being run. You were right ! I have already backed up every file that I can fit on floppys. Scary thought ! Floppies ? A CD-writer is little more than $30 now ! the BIOS, is there any way I could check? Yeah. Go into the BIOS, fiddle with the numbers and see what maximum size it doesn't complain about ! Any half decent PC less than 3-4 yrs old will take big drives. Later PCs can usually 'flash' the BIOS to upgrade. See manufacturer's website. Just remember not to *save* the changes - lol ! Graham |
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Darrell Klein wrote:
I couldn't for the life of me figure out why the hard drive could care less what OS is being run. You were right ! I have already backed up every file that I can fit on floppys. Scary thought ! Floppies ? A CD-writer is little more than $30 now ! the BIOS, is there any way I could check? Yeah. Go into the BIOS, fiddle with the numbers and see what maximum size it doesn't complain about ! Any half decent PC less than 3-4 yrs old will take big drives. Later PCs can usually 'flash' the BIOS to upgrade. See manufacturer's website. Just remember not to *save* the changes - lol ! Graham |
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xy wrote:
maxtor drives are whiney. i have one right now, and it's annoying as hell. Don't know the current ones but my ancient Maxtor 120MB - lol - was always whiney. IBM Deskstars are blisteringly fast, well priced and virtually silent. I have 2 in a RAID configuration. Ohhh, if you can afford it, the extra drive that is, and a RAID controller, you can almost forget about the implications of hard drive failure. Mirror 2 drives and if one fails, the other still has everything. Like pro servers. This is also where drive caddies are useful too - the neatest RAID sytems have 'hot-swapping' - i.e don't even need to turn off the PC to replace a failed drive. No-one even knows - just 'rebuild' the mirror onto the target drive. Graham |
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xy wrote:
maxtor drives are whiney. i have one right now, and it's annoying as hell. Don't know the current ones but my ancient Maxtor 120MB - lol - was always whiney. IBM Deskstars are blisteringly fast, well priced and virtually silent. I have 2 in a RAID configuration. Ohhh, if you can afford it, the extra drive that is, and a RAID controller, you can almost forget about the implications of hard drive failure. Mirror 2 drives and if one fails, the other still has everything. Like pro servers. This is also where drive caddies are useful too - the neatest RAID sytems have 'hot-swapping' - i.e don't even need to turn off the PC to replace a failed drive. No-one even knows - just 'rebuild' the mirror onto the target drive. Graham |
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"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
Arny Krueger wrote:. The new hard drive would be a replacement. Data preservation (we fear the current HD is failing) is the motivation. What warning signs make you think that ? Does your motherboard have 'SMART' capability for hard disks ? Self Monitoring And Reporting Technology. Mine's 3 yrs old and does have. Needs enabling in the BIOS. Gives a status report at boot up. Mine says 'Status OK' every time. SMART doesn't tell 100% of the story. If it says the disk is bad, then you should replace the disk. If it does not say the disk is bad that doesn't mean the disk is any good. It just means that SMART's limited testing finds no faults. |
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In article znr1067308068k@trad, says...
In article writes: maxtor drives are whiney. I've been using Maxtor drives in my Mackie HDR24/96 and they're amazingly quiet. But these are drives that I've bought in the past two months or so. I'm sure they're different from drives that someone may have bought three months ago. That's the way it goes with computer hardware. Almost all of the drives I've ever owned were Maxtors or IBMs (now Hitachi). I've had noise issues with computer fans, but never the hard drives, and my experience is that the Maxtors have been slightly more reliable than the IBMs. YMMV. -Pete Pollack |
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Arny Krueger wrote:.
SMART doesn't tell 100% of the story. Nothing can sadly ! Certainly won't help if the spindle motor packs up. If it says the disk is bad, then you should replace the disk. Yeah, that's the point really. Hopefully 99% of the time it should give sufficeint warning. If it does not say the disk is bad that doesn't mean the disk is any good. It just means that SMART's limited testing finds no faults. I believe that most of the reporting is based on tracking the read/write retries and monitoring servo problems. Of course, the message I get at boot-up is so quick, many ppl may miss it and what's the chance that some ppl will have seen a warning but 'though it was ok anyway' since it kept working ? Graham |
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"pH" wrote in message
news On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 04:58:14 +0000, Pooh Bear wrote: [...] Darrell said he wanted to 'add' a second hard drive originally. That's very different to transferring the existing contents of the existing drive. You need Norton Ghost, Drive Image or similar. Retail versions of hard drives often come with one or other. A good freeware disk-to-disk copying utility : http://www.xxcopy.com I've used it in the past, and... well, it works (very well). I see there's also a "pro" version, now. Don't know anything about it, but... long as they didn't hobble the free one (which has "flexibility" type options out the wazoo)... should be just fine. (don't know about NTFS; that might be a problem.) I don't see any claims that it copies boot sectors or that it copies system files that have to be in certain physical locations to the right locations. In short, I don't see any claims that it copies any FAT or NTFS bootable drive and creates a bootable drive. Copying bootable drives and creating bootable drives is what Ghost and Drive Image do that makes them earn their keep. The retail hard drive packages often come with utilities that can copy a bootable drive and create a bootable drive. Last time I used a retail-pack drive copier, it wouldn't handle NTFS, but I presume they've dealt with that issue by now. |
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Hey guys, thanks for all the helpful ideas and comments. The
installation went slick, without a hitch using the Maxtor CD software. I copied the failing hard drive and made the new Maxtor the boot drive and then made it the master and took the old hard drive "out of the loop" (but still physically in the PC case) as my power supply is only 200 watts. Next up is additional storage for the audio PC. Everything went great, and as always, r.a.p. was a great resource. BTW: I found that the AT4033a was a little edgy in recording the chattering of the failing drive. Also, while my 664 is great to drive nails, it did not perform well as a screwdriver. |
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