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Creative X-Fi Elite Pro Breakout Box SPDIF/Optical OUT to Denon 1909Receiver Optical IN not working ?



 
 
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Old January 4th 19, 06:57 PM posted to rec.audio.pro
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Default Creative X-Fi Elite Pro Breakout Box SPDIF/Optical OUT to Denon 1909Receiver Optical IN not working ?

Hello,

Today I bought an SPDIF-optical/TOS link cable to experiment with soundblaster to receiver audio processing options.

The idea is to use creative labs audio processing from x-fi in combination with denon receiver audio processing to see what the ultimate effect/output/sound would be like.

However I am having difficulties getting it working.

It seems the SPDIF out is MUTED ?!?

When I run the test software as follows:

1. Launch creative console

2. Launch THX setup via it or directly via pop-up menu

Below it is an icon that looks like a speaker with a plus above it.

This is "creative diagnostics"

During "mixer settings check" it displays:

Master MUTE
Wave checked
Midi checked
Soundbank checked

(It also does some driver analysis).

So the results of this check is weird.

For normal/analog output the master is not muted and everything is fine.

When switching to SPDIF/out via volume control panel of windows the master seems to be MUTED ?!?!

Why is this ?

I have never used SPDIF/optical/tos link before so I am not sure what is normally supposed to happen.

Is it suppose to detect signals automatically and if not it auto-mutes ?

I tried all kinds of input modes on the receiver, but nothing seems to work.

The toslink cable is 5 meters. Perhaps it's too long ?

I did see a faint red light shine through it... perhaps the cable is of bad quality.

I will take it to a store later on to test it out in that store if they can to see if it will work or not Hopefully they can help with testing... not sure if they can though.

I think it's probably not the cable.

Especially since the software displays "MUTED".

In volume control panel it does not appear muted... I tried reverse it by muting it... that also does not work...

The master volume stays muted in windows according to this test.

What I could try is re-install all drives but I'd rather not do that.

I also tried experimenting with creative alchemy to see if that will allow directx directsound processing in world of warships to be done by the creative labs audio processors in the hopes that the game can run ultra sound mode on my system.

First test was low performance cause svchost.exe was consuming 50% cpu after reboot cause of alchemy installation so later will try again to see if world of warships can benefit from alchemy software... I already added it manually to it.

For now I would like to get SPDIF/optical working cause I am curious what kind of audio processing options might be available on the receiver if it uses optical in.

I also installed zoom player... but so far no luck.. perhaps additional audio codecs are needed... though I believe theoretically spdif/tos link should also be able to simply play stereo sound via pcm/direct or so ?

windows 7 has dts audio and dolby digital available for spdif out.

Though I believe the denon receiver is capable of processing many different formats.

If the basic audio test of windows 7 is not working then I don't think install extra software is going to help much.... zoom player for example... probably not gonna help much... though I will continue experimenting a little bit with it.

Perhaps installing something special so that more audio codecs become available might help ?!

But for now it seems to be some kind of weird MUTE problem ?!

Ofcourse maybe the breakout box is defective... the led light failed for main volume or something... but everything else seems to work.

Perhaps SPDIF out was disabled in driver to fix some weird driver problem by creative or so ?!

So any ideas why the master volume seems to be muted according to this test ?!?

I could try a different operating system...

Perhaps Linux Mint, though I kinda nuked my dvd drive a little bit...

Laptop does not have spdif out so testing with that is unfortunately not possible.

Running a different operating system seems an interesting idea for this particular test... not sure if linux/mint supports spdif optical and such.

This OS test might shine some more light on if it's a hardware or software problem. If linux mint does work via SPDIF/TOS then it's some kind of windows software problem.

Bye for now,
Skybuck.
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Old January 4th 19, 07:17 PM posted to rec.audio.pro
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Default Creative X-Fi Elite Pro Breakout Box SPDIF/Optical OUT to Denon1909 Receiver Optical IN not working ?

Creative Labs has some documentation online about what I and some call the "breakout box". It is also known as "I/O Console"

Page 20 and 21 of this PDF document:

https://documentation.help/Creative-...umentation.pdf

Page 21 shows the rear of the device.

Page 22 mentions optical in/out and such.

I assume I have to use Optical OUT and connect it to the denon receiver TV/CBL optical IN.

I also tried Optical IN on this console I/O so far no luck...

Hmmm,

Bye,
Skybuck.
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Old January 4th 19, 10:04 PM posted to rec.audio.pro
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I am now re-installing the creative labs software.

First I tried to uninstall as much as possible of creative labs software, had to uninstall twice.

creative labs
soundblaster x-fi

stuff removed via uninstall programs.

I even de-installed the driver via admin panel/computer management/device management and so forth.

I did do a rescan of hardware changes and then windows re-installs a basic driver.

After restart of operating system I did notice a decoder panel that wasn't there with the full software which is kinda odd.

Perhaps this is something new... it had dobly and dts settings.

Anyway now during the re-installation of original DVD/ISO I come across this
text:

"
1.2 Muting Digital SPDIF Output When Playing DVD-Audio Media

Sound Blaster X-Fi uses Content Protection for Pre-recorded
Media (CPPM) that has been developed by 4C(r) comprising IBM(r),
Intel(r), MEI(r) and Toshiba(r). Part of the copy protection feature
requires that all SPDIF output of Sound Blaster X-Fi products be
muted during DVD-Audio media playback.
You can still listen to the DVD-Audio media content through
analog speakers.
"

This mentions muting of SPDIF out which seems what I am experiencing.

Perhaps the software detect HDP (high definition content/protection) on receiver and forces the SPDIF out to be muted ?!?!?

This would be very strange.

Bye for now,
Skybuck.
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Old January 5th 19, 06:39 PM posted to rec.audio.pro
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Default Creative X-Fi Elite Pro Breakout Box SPDIF/Optical OUT to Denon1909 Receiver Optical IN not working ?

> wrote:
>I am now re-installing the creative labs software.


Take a straight .wav file. Play it out the S-PDIF output. Now take headphones
and plug them into the "coaxial digital" S-PDIF RCA jack. You should hear
something... it will be horribly distorted but you should hear something that
you can recognize as signal. If that is not the case, then you don't have
signal passing.

Note that S-PDIF can carry all kinds of data formats.... uncompressed
2-channel data at a bunch of rates and word lengths, data compressed with
dts or AC-3 encoding. Just because you can send all these formats does not
mean that the device you're running them into can read any of them. So try
uncompressed 44.1/16 for the time being as you try and track things down.
--scott

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Old January 5th 19, 07:50 PM posted to rec.audio.pro
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Default Creative X-Fi Elite Pro Breakout Box SPDIF/Optical OUT to Denon1909 Receiver Optical IN not working ?

On Saturday, January 5, 2019 at 7:39:57 PM UTC+1, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> > wrote:
> >I am now re-installing the creative labs software.

>
> Take a straight .wav file. Play it out the S-PDIF output. Now take headphones
> and plug them into the "coaxial digital" S-PDIF RCA jack. You should hear
> something... it will be horribly distorted but you should hear something that
> you can recognize as signal. If that is not the case, then you don't have
> signal passing.
>
> Note that S-PDIF can carry all kinds of data formats.... uncompressed
> 2-channel data at a bunch of rates and word lengths, data compressed with
> dts or AC-3 encoding. Just because you can send all these formats does not
> mean that the device you're running them into can read any of them. So try
> uncompressed 44.1/16 for the time being as you try and track things down.
> --scott
>
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."


Interesting idea,

The headphone jack doesn't really fit, hold it against it though.

Did throw over a cup of water while trying to do this, but fortunately no damag, just on ground lol.

Don't think I heard anything.

Let me know if you have any other ideas how to test spdif optic or spdif coax... without breaking the bank.

Perhaps a some little cheap device of some sort ?

Or perhaps RCA to SPDIF plug/converter... hmmm.

For now I will keep assuming somehow this spdif is muted in driver...

Bye for now,
Skybuck.
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Old January 5th 19, 08:03 PM posted to rec.audio.pro
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Default Creative X-Fi Elite Pro Breakout Box SPDIF/Optical OUT to Denon1909 Receiver Optical IN not working ?

On 05/01/2019 19:50, wrote:

> Let me know if you have any other ideas how to test spdif optic or spdif coax... without breaking the bank.
>
> Perhaps a some little cheap device of some sort ?
>

The simplest way to check optical is to look at the end of a cable
connected at the sending end only. If the hardware at the sending end is
working, you will see a red light.

If you point a video camera (Say, the one in your phone) at it, it will
appear to flicker as data is sent.

Chatting with a local hifi shop owner, he found an old optical SPDIF
connector box that plugs into a USB socket and magically appears in
Windows as an extra audio interface. I paid a tenner or so for it, as he
considered it as junk.

To check a cable, you can use any receiving device, which should show
"no signal" unless it gets a valid signal from the source. Check with a
multimeter for continuity of core and screen, and that there is no
connection between core and screen. If the cable is okay, then you have
a problem somewhere else, and an oscilloscope such as one you can get
for a hundred bucks or so will let you look at the signals, if any.

Try another cable.

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Tciao for Now!

John.
 




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