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Arny ! Why don't you STFU ?
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Eeyore wrote: MiNe 109 wrote: Eeyore wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: "Eeyore" wrote in Arny Krueger wrote: It's just cattle calls, right? Is this the best you can contribute to quality audio ? Jenn brought up the issue of calls for workers at a union hall. Did she indeed ? So you felt obliged to rise to this humourous remark ? A "cattle call" is an open audition. Sound-for-picture sessions are presumably invite-only, hence the term "first-call" to describe a musician whose services are in demand. I regret I'm still no wiser. Arny thinks Jenn = cattle ? Graham Nope (at least not as far as far as I know). A "cattle call" (a term usually used for theater; I've never heard this term used in relation to musical auditions) is an ad for, as Stephen said, an open audition, i.e. anyone can show up. When you do that, you get large "herd" of people, i.e. "cattle". This never happens for TV/MP sessions. The contractor calls specific people and hires them. |
#1562
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Arny ! Why don't you STFU ?
Jenn wrote: Eeyore wrote: MiNe 109 wrote: Eeyore wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: "Eeyore" wrote in Arny Krueger wrote: It's just cattle calls, right? Is this the best you can contribute to quality audio ? Jenn brought up the issue of calls for workers at a union hall. Did she indeed ? So you felt obliged to rise to this humourous remark ? A "cattle call" is an open audition. Sound-for-picture sessions are presumably invite-only, hence the term "first-call" to describe a musician whose services are in demand. I regret I'm still no wiser. Arny thinks Jenn = cattle ? Graham Nope (at least not as far as far as I know). A "cattle call" (a term usually used for theater; I've never heard this term used in relation to musical auditions) is an ad for, as Stephen said, an open audition, i.e. anyone can show up. When you do that, you get large "herd" of people, i.e. "cattle". This never happens for TV/MP sessions. The contractor calls specific people and hires them. Ok - got it - sort of ??? Over here you'd have an agency for 'extras', so no need for a cattle call. Graham |
#1563
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Arny ! Why don't you STFU ?
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Eeyore wrote: MiNe 109 wrote: Eeyore wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: "Eeyore" wrote in Arny Krueger wrote: It's just cattle calls, right? Is this the best you can contribute to quality audio ? Jenn brought up the issue of calls for workers at a union hall. Did she indeed ? So you felt obliged to rise to this humourous remark ? A "cattle call" is an open audition. Sound-for-picture sessions are presumably invite-only, hence the term "first-call" to describe a musician whose services are in demand. I regret I'm still no wiser. Arny thinks Jenn = cattle ? No, she referred to union data for calls (=gigs), so Arny implied the calls were for open auditions. This doesn't make any difference to Jenn's point, so it boils down to another side-issue. Stephen |
#1564
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Arny ! Why don't you STFU ?
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om, Jenn wrote: In article , Eeyore wrote: MiNe 109 wrote: Eeyore wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: "Eeyore" wrote in Arny Krueger wrote: It's just cattle calls, right? Is this the best you can contribute to quality audio ? Jenn brought up the issue of calls for workers at a union hall. Did she indeed ? So you felt obliged to rise to this humourous remark ? A "cattle call" is an open audition. Sound-for-picture sessions are presumably invite-only, hence the term "first-call" to describe a musician whose services are in demand. I regret I'm still no wiser. Arny thinks Jenn = cattle ? Graham Nope (at least not as far as far as I know). A "cattle call" (a term usually used for theater; I've never heard this term used in relation to musical auditions) is an ad for, as Stephen said, an open audition, i.e. anyone can show up. When you do that, you get large "herd" of people, i.e. "cattle". This never happens for TV/MP sessions. The contractor calls specific people and hires them. The term definitely applies to things like "American Idol" auditions! Sometimes opera people use the term, but more as a borrowing from the theater usage. Stephen |
#1565
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Arny ! Why don't you STFU ?
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Eeyore wrote: Jenn wrote: Eeyore wrote: MiNe 109 wrote: Eeyore wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: "Eeyore" wrote in Arny Krueger wrote: It's just cattle calls, right? Is this the best you can contribute to quality audio ? Jenn brought up the issue of calls for workers at a union hall. Did she indeed ? So you felt obliged to rise to this humourous remark ? A "cattle call" is an open audition. Sound-for-picture sessions are presumably invite-only, hence the term "first-call" to describe a musician whose services are in demand. I regret I'm still no wiser. Arny thinks Jenn = cattle ? Graham Nope (at least not as far as far as I know). A "cattle call" (a term usually used for theater; I've never heard this term used in relation to musical auditions) is an ad for, as Stephen said, an open audition, i.e. anyone can show up. When you do that, you get large "herd" of people, i.e. "cattle". This never happens for TV/MP sessions. The contractor calls specific people and hires them. Ok - got it - sort of ??? Over here you'd have an agency for 'extras', so no need for a cattle call. It's not restricted to extras: http://www.cattlecall.com/ More apropo: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0398839/ Stephen |
#1566
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Arny ! Why don't you STFU ?
MiNe 109 wrote: Jenn wrote: Eeyore wrote: Arny thinks Jenn = cattle ? Graham Nope (at least not as far as far as I know). A "cattle call" (a term usually used for theater; I've never heard this term used in relation to musical auditions) is an ad for, as Stephen said, an open audition, i.e. anyone can show up. When you do that, you get large "herd" of people, i.e. "cattle". This never happens for TV/MP sessions. The contractor calls specific people and hires them. The term definitely applies to things like "American Idol" auditions! Sometimes opera people use the term, but more as a borrowing from the theater usage. OK. I'm getting the picture now. So, why did Arny introduce this idea ? Graham |
#1567
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Arny ! Why don't you STFU ?
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MiNe 109 wrote: In article om, Jenn wrote: In article , Eeyore wrote: MiNe 109 wrote: Eeyore wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: "Eeyore" wrote in Arny Krueger wrote: It's just cattle calls, right? Is this the best you can contribute to quality audio ? Jenn brought up the issue of calls for workers at a union hall. Did she indeed ? So you felt obliged to rise to this humourous remark ? A "cattle call" is an open audition. Sound-for-picture sessions are presumably invite-only, hence the term "first-call" to describe a musician whose services are in demand. I regret I'm still no wiser. Arny thinks Jenn = cattle ? Graham Nope (at least not as far as far as I know). A "cattle call" (a term usually used for theater; I've never heard this term used in relation to musical auditions) is an ad for, as Stephen said, an open audition, i.e. anyone can show up. When you do that, you get large "herd" of people, i.e. "cattle". This never happens for TV/MP sessions. The contractor calls specific people and hires them. The term definitely applies to things like "American Idol" auditions! Sometimes opera people use the term, but more as a borrowing from the theater usage. Stephen Exactly. |
#1568
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Arny ! Why don't you STFU ?
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message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message See above. I'm quite sure that I could take a day and look up all of the stats from each AFM local in the country and you still wouldn't believe me. What's the point? Your criteria is invalid. Cattle calls at AFM locals are not a reliable indication of what work is going on. I'm not talking about "cattle calls". See previous post. IME most work like this is done based on pre-existing professional relationships that are not generally documented. |
#1569
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Arny ! Why don't you STFU ?
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message MiNe 109 wrote: Jenn wrote: Eeyore wrote: Arny thinks Jenn = cattle ? Graham Nope (at least not as far as far as I know). A "cattle call" (a term usually used for theater; I've never heard this term used in relation to musical auditions) is an ad for, as Stephen said, an open audition, i.e. anyone can show up. When you do that, you get large "herd" of people, i.e. "cattle". This never happens for TV/MP sessions. The contractor calls specific people and hires them. The term definitely applies to things like "American Idol" auditions! Sometimes opera people use the term, but more as a borrowing from the theater usage. OK. I'm getting the picture now. It took some serious head-beating to get it into your dense skull. So, why did Arny introduce this idea ? Because Jenn mentioned unions. |
#1570
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Arny ! Why don't you STFU ?
"Jenn" wrote in
message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message . com In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "MiNe 109" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: 95% seems more than a little extreme, considering that there are places like NYC, Chicago, Memphis, etc. Of course Graham, this all probably seems pretty abstract to you, sitting there in the UK. The idea that Hollywood is the center of the US is a fiction that Hollywood movies tend to perpetuate in the minds of naive persons. That's good. Now you're negotiating the percentage instead making an overly literal black-and-white judgment. You've got that all wrong. Jenn's the one who has taken the overly literal black-and-white position. Jenn is still playing 95% or nothing. Incorrect. My exact statement was, "My estimation is that something on the order of over 95% of TV scores are recorded in Hollywood" So what was all that weirdness about major movies? What weirdness? Let's find some way to gauge this. Hollywood is at least 50%, I'm guessing. Everybody's guessing, including Jenn. That makes this an assertion contest. I'm guessing based on the number of calls for film and TV dates originating from Local 47 of the AFM as opposed to Locals 802, 10-208, 71. What's your assurance that that is 100 per cent of everything? I'm not going to look up every local for you for a trivial point. I looked up three that you mentioned: L.A., NYC, Chicago, Memphis. It's just cattle calls, right? Nope. The stats are a list of paid player hours for a given local. It's based on the fiction that unions have 100% knowlege of all musical work being done. |
#1571
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Arny ! Why don't you STFU ?
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 07:07:01 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: See above. I'm quite sure that I could take a day and look up all of the stats from each AFM local in the country and you still wouldn't believe me. What's the point? Your criteria is invalid. Cattle calls at AFM locals are not a reliable indication of what work is going on. I'm not talking about "cattle calls". See previous post. IME most work like this is done based on pre-existing professional relationships that are not generally documented. "Your estimation". IOW, "I'll do ANYTHING to avoid admiting that I'm not familiar with the terminology of a field that I claim ultimate knowledge in". |
#1572
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Arny ! Why don't you STFU ?
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message . com In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message y. com In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "MiNe 109" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: 95% seems more than a little extreme, considering that there are places like NYC, Chicago, Memphis, etc. Of course Graham, this all probably seems pretty abstract to you, sitting there in the UK. The idea that Hollywood is the center of the US is a fiction that Hollywood movies tend to perpetuate in the minds of naive persons. That's good. Now you're negotiating the percentage instead making an overly literal black-and-white judgment. You've got that all wrong. Jenn's the one who has taken the overly literal black-and-white position. Jenn is still playing 95% or nothing. Incorrect. My exact statement was, "My estimation is that something on the order of over 95% of TV scores are recorded in Hollywood" So what was all that weirdness about major movies? What weirdness? Let's find some way to gauge this. Hollywood is at least 50%, I'm guessing. Everybody's guessing, including Jenn. That makes this an assertion contest. I'm guessing based on the number of calls for film and TV dates originating from Local 47 of the AFM as opposed to Locals 802, 10-208, 71. What's your assurance that that is 100 per cent of everything? I'm not going to look up every local for you for a trivial point. I looked up three that you mentioned: L.A., NYC, Chicago, Memphis. It's just cattle calls, right? Nope. The stats are a list of paid player hours for a given local. It's based on the fiction that unions have 100% knowlege of all musical work being done. No, it based on the fact that the vast majority of TV/MP production companies are union shops. You don't make a living making music in that business without being a union member. Why do you keep arguing about something you know nothing about? |
#1573
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Arny ! Why don't you STFU ?
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message . com See above. I'm quite sure that I could take a day and look up all of the stats from each AFM local in the country and you still wouldn't believe me. What's the point? Your criteria is invalid. Cattle calls at AFM locals are not a reliable indication of what work is going on. I'm not talking about "cattle calls". See previous post. IME most work like this is done based on pre-existing professional relationships Correct, mostly. that are not generally documented. No, they are totally documented for union shops. |
#1574
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Arny ! Why don't you STFU ?
Jenn asked the Krooborg: Why do you keep arguing about something you know nothing about? Why do the birds sing? Why do the stars light up the night sky? -- Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence. |
#1575
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Arny ! Why don't you STFU ?
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message Nope. The stats are a list of paid player hours for a given local. It's based on the fiction that unions have 100% knowlege of all musical work being done. No, it based on the fact that the vast majority of TV/MP production companies are union shops. Note that Jenn tries to confuse "vast majority" with "100% (or 95%). Typical "Debating Trade" tactic. You don't make a living making music in that business without being a union member. Here come more dogmatic statements, unimpeachable source = Jenn. Why do you keep arguing about something you know nothing about? |
#1576
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Arny ! Why don't you STFU ?
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message Nope. The stats are a list of paid player hours for a given local. It's based on the fiction that unions have 100% knowlege of all musical work being done. No, it based on the fact that the vast majority of TV/MP production companies are union shops. Note that Jenn tries to confuse "vast majority" with "100% (or 95%). Typical "Debating Trade" tactic. lol You don't make a living making music in that business without being a union member. Here come more dogmatic statements, unimpeachable source = Jenn. I challenge you to name ONE person making a living playing sound for film dates in the U.S. who is not a AFM member. Again, you're arguing something you know nothing about. You have an obvious need to try to argue every point regardless of your level of expertise. Would you like to conduct Schuman for me Wednesday night for me? I'm sure you know all about that as well. Why do you keep arguing about something you know nothing about? |
#1577
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Arny ! Why don't you STFU ?
"Jenn" wrote in
message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message Nope. The stats are a list of paid player hours for a given local. It's based on the fiction that unions have 100% knowlege of all musical work being done. No, it based on the fact that the vast majority of TV/MP production companies are union shops. Note that Jenn tries to confuse "vast majority" with "100% (or 95%). Typical "Debating Trade" tactic. lol You don't make a living making music in that business without being a union member. Here come more dogmatic statements, unimpeachable source = Jenn. I challenge you to name ONE person making a living playing sound for film dates in the U.S. who is not a AFM member. Not my job. Just because I can't jump through hoops of your choosing jenn, means nothing about your global claim. |
#1578
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Arny ! Why don't you STFU ?
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message . com Nope. The stats are a list of paid player hours for a given local. It's based on the fiction that unions have 100% knowlege of all musical work being done. No, it based on the fact that the vast majority of TV/MP production companies are union shops. Note that Jenn tries to confuse "vast majority" with "100% (or 95%). Typical "Debating Trade" tactic. lol You don't make a living making music in that business without being a union member. Here come more dogmatic statements, unimpeachable source = Jenn. I challenge you to name ONE person making a living playing sound for film dates in the U.S. who is not a AFM member. Not my job. Just because I can't jump through hoops of your choosing jenn, means nothing about your global claim. lol. Here we see an example of your "debate" style. You are presented with a challenge that shows that your statements on the matter are without authority. But it's "not my job". Not only is it "not your job", it's an impossible task. That's because I'm correct in my assertion. But you'll keep arguing anyway. |
#1579
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Arny ! Why don't you STFU ?
Jenn said: That's because I'm correct in my assertion. But you'll keep arguing anyway. Are you implying that Arnii getting all this attention from you is a bad thing? How strange. -- Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence. |
#1580
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Arny ! Why don't you STFU ?
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:37:18 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: unimpeachable source = Jenn. Finally Arnold gets it. Kudos! |
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