[joe cipale]

On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 13:31 -0800, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
wrote:
On Jan 18, 10:30 am, Clyde Slick wrote:
On 17 Ian, 21:25, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"

wrote:
We disagree on the imminent danger. I do not think the Islamofacists
are the immediate danger in the US. I think they fall under the "over
the hill" danger. I think the folks like Huckabee are a much more
immediate threat to our society.

BTW, a few terrorist attacks, while indeed frightful, will not topple
the US. As I've said many times, if someone wants to hit us, they
likely will. No defense is 100% effective, "at least" while
maintaining individual freedom.-

I don't think Huckabee is about to topple the US.

I think the fundies are working on it. Huckabee is a fundie. Melding
government and religion (*their* religion), using the Constutution at
the federal and state levels to *deny* rights rather than *insure*
them, and so on, are not positive steps IMO.

But, religious agendais only part of the reason I
don't support him. Who wants a President whose anme
sounds like Huckleberry Hound and looks too much like Gomer Pyle?

The people who went to the causcuses in Iowa, apparently.

having been born in Des Moines, I simply ask not to confuse ALL Iowans
with a few of the whackjobs that supported this southern-fried jackass.
Iowa is a fairly moderate state, despite the rantings of many so-called
politico-journalists (like Russert or Matthews).

[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

On Jan 19, 11:35*am, joe cipale wrote:
On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 13:31 -0800, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
wrote:

On Jan 18, 10:30 am, Clyde Slick wrote:

But, religious agendais only part of the reason I
don't support him. Who wants a President whose anme
sounds like Huckleberry Hound and looks too much like Gomer Pyle?

The people who went to the causcuses in Iowa, apparently.

having been born in Des Moines, I simply ask not to confuse ALL Iowans
with a few of the whackjobs that supported this southern-fried jackass.
Iowa is a fairly moderate state, despite the rantings of many so-called
politico-journalists (like Russert or Matthews).

Unfortunately not all Iowans attended the caucuses, which is why I
specified only those that did. There was no confusion.

The way candidates get chosen is that the people motivated enough/
interested enough/partisan enough actually go to the caucuses and
vote. They choose who's running. My guess is that those people
represent a minority. There's data out there, I'm sure, showing what
percent of Iowans went to the caucus. Was it over 50%? Most people
(the majority, those who chose not to attend) then sit back and bitch
that they "don't have a choice" or they wonder how this "southern-
fried jackass" got selected as a candidate.

My first question to someone who bitches about the candidates is
whether they actually helped select them or not. My first question to
someone bitching about a politician is whether they voted or not.

You might be surprised how often the answer is "no".

[joe cipale]

On Sat, 2008-01-19 at 10:36 -0800, Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!
wrote:


My first question to someone who bitches about the candidates is
whether they actually helped select them or not. My first question to
someone bitching about a politician is whether they voted or not.

You might be surprised how often the answer is "no".

A few years back, my mother was in the process of bitching about both
the Governor of Washington as well as the President of the US. Well, it
didn't take much for me to bitch about El bushwipe either, but to have
her rant and rave about how he does nothing for senior citizens (which
may be true) provoked me to ask 'Who did you vote for?'. When she said
she doesn't vote because 'all politicians are worthless to begin
with...', I simply told her 'you have no right to bitch then. If you
have no ambition to sit on your ass, fill out your ballot (Washington is
vote by mail...) and drop it off in the mailbox, then you have no right
to bitch. Period!' The same holds true for my step-dad who served in the
Korean War, and yet has never bothered to vote. Sad when you think about
it.