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Ampzilla Hums! - Troubleshooting advice, please.
Between replacing a cooling fan and moving into a place that
demanded a whole lot of other work, my audio system has been MIA for many months. Thanks to the storm, between yesterday and today I finally found the time to track down all the pieces and wire all the pieces (amp, preamp, tuner, turntable and CD player) together. I turned on Ampzilla first and promptly heard what I presume was a ground hum. I turned Ampzilla off. My first thought was to rule out any connection to any other link in the chain as the culprit. I disconnected the preamp (Thaedra) from the amp, unplugged everything else, and plugged 'zilla straight into the wall, then turned it on again. The hum returned, accompanied by a couple of fairly loud pops from the left channel speaker. The system worked fine in the previous apartment, but for an annoyance with the old cooling fan. After seeking some newsgroup advice, I found a Papst fan to replace it, but did not find the time to try the system with the new fan in the old location. In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? Thanks in advance, Phil |
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Ampzilla Hums! - Troubleshooting advice, please.
In article , Phil Anderson
wrote: In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? It would be nice to rule the fan in or out right away. You can probably run the amp for a short period of time without it. How about disconnecting the fan, both wires, and see what happens. If it still hums, then it wasn't the fan, and you likely have a power or grounding issue. -john- -- ================================================== ================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ================================================== ================== |
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Ampzilla Hums! - Troubleshooting advice, please.
In article , Phil Anderson
wrote: In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? It would be nice to rule the fan in or out right away. You can probably run the amp for a short period of time without it. How about disconnecting the fan, both wires, and see what happens. If it still hums, then it wasn't the fan, and you likely have a power or grounding issue. -john- -- ================================================== ================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ================================================== ================== |
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Ampzilla Hums! - Troubleshooting advice, please.
In article , Phil Anderson
wrote: In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? It would be nice to rule the fan in or out right away. You can probably run the amp for a short period of time without it. How about disconnecting the fan, both wires, and see what happens. If it still hums, then it wasn't the fan, and you likely have a power or grounding issue. -john- -- ================================================== ================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ================================================== ================== |
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Ampzilla Hums! - Troubleshooting advice, please.
In article , Phil Anderson
wrote: In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? It would be nice to rule the fan in or out right away. You can probably run the amp for a short period of time without it. How about disconnecting the fan, both wires, and see what happens. If it still hums, then it wasn't the fan, and you likely have a power or grounding issue. -john- -- ================================================== ================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ================================================== ================== |
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Ampzilla Hums! - Troubleshooting advice, please.
Occasionally wire routing might induce hum, but this doesn't explain the
pops. I'm thinking the amp has an actual problem, such as a intermediate level dc offset on that left channel. Mark Z. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Phil Anderson" wrote in message ... Between replacing a cooling fan and moving into a place that demanded a whole lot of other work, my audio system has been MIA for many months. Thanks to the storm, between yesterday and today I finally found the time to track down all the pieces and wire all the pieces (amp, preamp, tuner, turntable and CD player) together. I turned on Ampzilla first and promptly heard what I presume was a ground hum. I turned Ampzilla off. My first thought was to rule out any connection to any other link in the chain as the culprit. I disconnected the preamp (Thaedra) from the amp, unplugged everything else, and plugged 'zilla straight into the wall, then turned it on again. The hum returned, accompanied by a couple of fairly loud pops from the left channel speaker. The system worked fine in the previous apartment, but for an annoyance with the old cooling fan. After seeking some newsgroup advice, I found a Papst fan to replace it, but did not find the time to try the system with the new fan in the old location. In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? Thanks in advance, Phil |
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Ampzilla Hums! - Troubleshooting advice, please.
Occasionally wire routing might induce hum, but this doesn't explain the
pops. I'm thinking the amp has an actual problem, such as a intermediate level dc offset on that left channel. Mark Z. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Phil Anderson" wrote in message ... Between replacing a cooling fan and moving into a place that demanded a whole lot of other work, my audio system has been MIA for many months. Thanks to the storm, between yesterday and today I finally found the time to track down all the pieces and wire all the pieces (amp, preamp, tuner, turntable and CD player) together. I turned on Ampzilla first and promptly heard what I presume was a ground hum. I turned Ampzilla off. My first thought was to rule out any connection to any other link in the chain as the culprit. I disconnected the preamp (Thaedra) from the amp, unplugged everything else, and plugged 'zilla straight into the wall, then turned it on again. The hum returned, accompanied by a couple of fairly loud pops from the left channel speaker. The system worked fine in the previous apartment, but for an annoyance with the old cooling fan. After seeking some newsgroup advice, I found a Papst fan to replace it, but did not find the time to try the system with the new fan in the old location. In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? Thanks in advance, Phil |
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Ampzilla Hums! - Troubleshooting advice, please.
Occasionally wire routing might induce hum, but this doesn't explain the
pops. I'm thinking the amp has an actual problem, such as a intermediate level dc offset on that left channel. Mark Z. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Phil Anderson" wrote in message ... Between replacing a cooling fan and moving into a place that demanded a whole lot of other work, my audio system has been MIA for many months. Thanks to the storm, between yesterday and today I finally found the time to track down all the pieces and wire all the pieces (amp, preamp, tuner, turntable and CD player) together. I turned on Ampzilla first and promptly heard what I presume was a ground hum. I turned Ampzilla off. My first thought was to rule out any connection to any other link in the chain as the culprit. I disconnected the preamp (Thaedra) from the amp, unplugged everything else, and plugged 'zilla straight into the wall, then turned it on again. The hum returned, accompanied by a couple of fairly loud pops from the left channel speaker. The system worked fine in the previous apartment, but for an annoyance with the old cooling fan. After seeking some newsgroup advice, I found a Papst fan to replace it, but did not find the time to try the system with the new fan in the old location. In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? Thanks in advance, Phil |
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Ampzilla Hums! - Troubleshooting advice, please.
Occasionally wire routing might induce hum, but this doesn't explain the
pops. I'm thinking the amp has an actual problem, such as a intermediate level dc offset on that left channel. Mark Z. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Phil Anderson" wrote in message ... Between replacing a cooling fan and moving into a place that demanded a whole lot of other work, my audio system has been MIA for many months. Thanks to the storm, between yesterday and today I finally found the time to track down all the pieces and wire all the pieces (amp, preamp, tuner, turntable and CD player) together. I turned on Ampzilla first and promptly heard what I presume was a ground hum. I turned Ampzilla off. My first thought was to rule out any connection to any other link in the chain as the culprit. I disconnected the preamp (Thaedra) from the amp, unplugged everything else, and plugged 'zilla straight into the wall, then turned it on again. The hum returned, accompanied by a couple of fairly loud pops from the left channel speaker. The system worked fine in the previous apartment, but for an annoyance with the old cooling fan. After seeking some newsgroup advice, I found a Papst fan to replace it, but did not find the time to try the system with the new fan in the old location. In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? Thanks in advance, Phil |
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Ampzilla Hums! - Troubleshooting advice, please.
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Does it hum on both channels? mz -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Phil Anderson" wrote in message ... Between replacing a cooling fan and moving into a place that demanded a whole lot of other work, my audio system has been MIA for many months. Thanks to the storm, between yesterday and today I finally found the time to track down all the pieces and wire all the pieces (amp, preamp, tuner, turntable and CD player) together. I turned on Ampzilla first and promptly heard what I presume was a ground hum. I turned Ampzilla off. My first thought was to rule out any connection to any other link in the chain as the culprit. I disconnected the preamp (Thaedra) from the amp, unplugged everything else, and plugged 'zilla straight into the wall, then turned it on again. The hum returned, accompanied by a couple of fairly loud pops from the left channel speaker. The system worked fine in the previous apartment, but for an annoyance with the old cooling fan. After seeking some newsgroup advice, I found a Papst fan to replace it, but did not find the time to try the system with the new fan in the old location. In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? Thanks in advance, Phil |
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Ampzilla Hums! - Troubleshooting advice, please.
P.S.
Does it hum on both channels? mz -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Phil Anderson" wrote in message ... Between replacing a cooling fan and moving into a place that demanded a whole lot of other work, my audio system has been MIA for many months. Thanks to the storm, between yesterday and today I finally found the time to track down all the pieces and wire all the pieces (amp, preamp, tuner, turntable and CD player) together. I turned on Ampzilla first and promptly heard what I presume was a ground hum. I turned Ampzilla off. My first thought was to rule out any connection to any other link in the chain as the culprit. I disconnected the preamp (Thaedra) from the amp, unplugged everything else, and plugged 'zilla straight into the wall, then turned it on again. The hum returned, accompanied by a couple of fairly loud pops from the left channel speaker. The system worked fine in the previous apartment, but for an annoyance with the old cooling fan. After seeking some newsgroup advice, I found a Papst fan to replace it, but did not find the time to try the system with the new fan in the old location. In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? Thanks in advance, Phil |
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Ampzilla Hums! - Troubleshooting advice, please.
P.S.
Does it hum on both channels? mz -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Phil Anderson" wrote in message ... Between replacing a cooling fan and moving into a place that demanded a whole lot of other work, my audio system has been MIA for many months. Thanks to the storm, between yesterday and today I finally found the time to track down all the pieces and wire all the pieces (amp, preamp, tuner, turntable and CD player) together. I turned on Ampzilla first and promptly heard what I presume was a ground hum. I turned Ampzilla off. My first thought was to rule out any connection to any other link in the chain as the culprit. I disconnected the preamp (Thaedra) from the amp, unplugged everything else, and plugged 'zilla straight into the wall, then turned it on again. The hum returned, accompanied by a couple of fairly loud pops from the left channel speaker. The system worked fine in the previous apartment, but for an annoyance with the old cooling fan. After seeking some newsgroup advice, I found a Papst fan to replace it, but did not find the time to try the system with the new fan in the old location. In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? Thanks in advance, Phil |
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Ampzilla Hums! - Troubleshooting advice, please.
P.S.
Does it hum on both channels? mz -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Phil Anderson" wrote in message ... Between replacing a cooling fan and moving into a place that demanded a whole lot of other work, my audio system has been MIA for many months. Thanks to the storm, between yesterday and today I finally found the time to track down all the pieces and wire all the pieces (amp, preamp, tuner, turntable and CD player) together. I turned on Ampzilla first and promptly heard what I presume was a ground hum. I turned Ampzilla off. My first thought was to rule out any connection to any other link in the chain as the culprit. I disconnected the preamp (Thaedra) from the amp, unplugged everything else, and plugged 'zilla straight into the wall, then turned it on again. The hum returned, accompanied by a couple of fairly loud pops from the left channel speaker. The system worked fine in the previous apartment, but for an annoyance with the old cooling fan. After seeking some newsgroup advice, I found a Papst fan to replace it, but did not find the time to try the system with the new fan in the old location. In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? Thanks in advance, Phil |
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Ampzilla Hums! - Troubleshooting advice, please.
"John A. Weeks III" wrote in message ... In article , Phil Anderson wrote: In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? It would be nice to rule the fan in or out right away. You can probably run the amp for a short period of time without it. How about disconnecting the fan, both wires, and see what happens. If it still hums, then it wasn't the fan, and you likely have a power or grounding issue. -john- The amp will run for quite a while without the fan. I will try to open it up tomorrow night and report back to the group. Thanks for an excellent suggestion. Phil |
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Ampzilla Hums! - Troubleshooting advice, please.
"John A. Weeks III" wrote in message ... In article , Phil Anderson wrote: In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? It would be nice to rule the fan in or out right away. You can probably run the amp for a short period of time without it. How about disconnecting the fan, both wires, and see what happens. If it still hums, then it wasn't the fan, and you likely have a power or grounding issue. -john- The amp will run for quite a while without the fan. I will try to open it up tomorrow night and report back to the group. Thanks for an excellent suggestion. Phil |
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Ampzilla Hums! - Troubleshooting advice, please.
"John A. Weeks III" wrote in message ... In article , Phil Anderson wrote: In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? It would be nice to rule the fan in or out right away. You can probably run the amp for a short period of time without it. How about disconnecting the fan, both wires, and see what happens. If it still hums, then it wasn't the fan, and you likely have a power or grounding issue. -john- The amp will run for quite a while without the fan. I will try to open it up tomorrow night and report back to the group. Thanks for an excellent suggestion. Phil |
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Ampzilla Hums! - Troubleshooting advice, please.
"John A. Weeks III" wrote in message ... In article , Phil Anderson wrote: In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? It would be nice to rule the fan in or out right away. You can probably run the amp for a short period of time without it. How about disconnecting the fan, both wires, and see what happens. If it still hums, then it wasn't the fan, and you likely have a power or grounding issue. -john- The amp will run for quite a while without the fan. I will try to open it up tomorrow night and report back to the group. Thanks for an excellent suggestion. Phil |
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Ampzilla Hums! - Troubleshooting advice, please.
This turns out to be a little weirder than I thought. When I
heard the hum last night, it never occurred to me it might be from one channel only. I figured this was a ground hum, and such things always occur in both channels, do they not? The pop came from the left channel, that I was sure of, but nothing more. So, I turned it on again tonight, with a listener staged by the right channel. She heard nothing. I heard another pop from the left channel. I moved over to that speaker, and heard only a very slight hiss. The hum is coming from the amp itself! I am far from expert in any of this, but I've got to admit this worries me a lot more than did the thought I had a ground hum to diagnose. Also, my power meter lights no longer work. I am certain that they worked in the old apartment, all those months ago. I do not recall if they worked last night or not. I turned it off pretty quick and do not recall noticing. What is my next step? Phil "Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... P.S. Does it hum on both channels? mz -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Phil Anderson" wrote in message ... Between replacing a cooling fan and moving into a place that demanded a whole lot of other work, my audio system has been MIA for many months. Thanks to the storm, between yesterday and today I finally found the time to track down all the pieces and wire all the pieces (amp, preamp, tuner, turntable and CD player) together. I turned on Ampzilla first and promptly heard what I presume was a ground hum. I turned Ampzilla off. My first thought was to rule out any connection to any other link in the chain as the culprit. I disconnected the preamp (Thaedra) from the amp, unplugged everything else, and plugged 'zilla straight into the wall, then turned it on again. The hum returned, accompanied by a couple of fairly loud pops from the left channel speaker. The system worked fine in the previous apartment, but for an annoyance with the old cooling fan. After seeking some newsgroup advice, I found a Papst fan to replace it, but did not find the time to try the system with the new fan in the old location. In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? Thanks in advance, Phil |
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Ampzilla Hums! - Troubleshooting advice, please.
This turns out to be a little weirder than I thought. When I
heard the hum last night, it never occurred to me it might be from one channel only. I figured this was a ground hum, and such things always occur in both channels, do they not? The pop came from the left channel, that I was sure of, but nothing more. So, I turned it on again tonight, with a listener staged by the right channel. She heard nothing. I heard another pop from the left channel. I moved over to that speaker, and heard only a very slight hiss. The hum is coming from the amp itself! I am far from expert in any of this, but I've got to admit this worries me a lot more than did the thought I had a ground hum to diagnose. Also, my power meter lights no longer work. I am certain that they worked in the old apartment, all those months ago. I do not recall if they worked last night or not. I turned it off pretty quick and do not recall noticing. What is my next step? Phil "Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... P.S. Does it hum on both channels? mz -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Phil Anderson" wrote in message ... Between replacing a cooling fan and moving into a place that demanded a whole lot of other work, my audio system has been MIA for many months. Thanks to the storm, between yesterday and today I finally found the time to track down all the pieces and wire all the pieces (amp, preamp, tuner, turntable and CD player) together. I turned on Ampzilla first and promptly heard what I presume was a ground hum. I turned Ampzilla off. My first thought was to rule out any connection to any other link in the chain as the culprit. I disconnected the preamp (Thaedra) from the amp, unplugged everything else, and plugged 'zilla straight into the wall, then turned it on again. The hum returned, accompanied by a couple of fairly loud pops from the left channel speaker. The system worked fine in the previous apartment, but for an annoyance with the old cooling fan. After seeking some newsgroup advice, I found a Papst fan to replace it, but did not find the time to try the system with the new fan in the old location. In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? Thanks in advance, Phil |
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Ampzilla Hums! - Troubleshooting advice, please.
This turns out to be a little weirder than I thought. When I
heard the hum last night, it never occurred to me it might be from one channel only. I figured this was a ground hum, and such things always occur in both channels, do they not? The pop came from the left channel, that I was sure of, but nothing more. So, I turned it on again tonight, with a listener staged by the right channel. She heard nothing. I heard another pop from the left channel. I moved over to that speaker, and heard only a very slight hiss. The hum is coming from the amp itself! I am far from expert in any of this, but I've got to admit this worries me a lot more than did the thought I had a ground hum to diagnose. Also, my power meter lights no longer work. I am certain that they worked in the old apartment, all those months ago. I do not recall if they worked last night or not. I turned it off pretty quick and do not recall noticing. What is my next step? Phil "Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... P.S. Does it hum on both channels? mz -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Phil Anderson" wrote in message ... Between replacing a cooling fan and moving into a place that demanded a whole lot of other work, my audio system has been MIA for many months. Thanks to the storm, between yesterday and today I finally found the time to track down all the pieces and wire all the pieces (amp, preamp, tuner, turntable and CD player) together. I turned on Ampzilla first and promptly heard what I presume was a ground hum. I turned Ampzilla off. My first thought was to rule out any connection to any other link in the chain as the culprit. I disconnected the preamp (Thaedra) from the amp, unplugged everything else, and plugged 'zilla straight into the wall, then turned it on again. The hum returned, accompanied by a couple of fairly loud pops from the left channel speaker. The system worked fine in the previous apartment, but for an annoyance with the old cooling fan. After seeking some newsgroup advice, I found a Papst fan to replace it, but did not find the time to try the system with the new fan in the old location. In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? Thanks in advance, Phil |
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Ampzilla Hums! - Troubleshooting advice, please.
This turns out to be a little weirder than I thought. When I
heard the hum last night, it never occurred to me it might be from one channel only. I figured this was a ground hum, and such things always occur in both channels, do they not? The pop came from the left channel, that I was sure of, but nothing more. So, I turned it on again tonight, with a listener staged by the right channel. She heard nothing. I heard another pop from the left channel. I moved over to that speaker, and heard only a very slight hiss. The hum is coming from the amp itself! I am far from expert in any of this, but I've got to admit this worries me a lot more than did the thought I had a ground hum to diagnose. Also, my power meter lights no longer work. I am certain that they worked in the old apartment, all those months ago. I do not recall if they worked last night or not. I turned it off pretty quick and do not recall noticing. What is my next step? Phil "Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... P.S. Does it hum on both channels? mz -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Phil Anderson" wrote in message ... Between replacing a cooling fan and moving into a place that demanded a whole lot of other work, my audio system has been MIA for many months. Thanks to the storm, between yesterday and today I finally found the time to track down all the pieces and wire all the pieces (amp, preamp, tuner, turntable and CD player) together. I turned on Ampzilla first and promptly heard what I presume was a ground hum. I turned Ampzilla off. My first thought was to rule out any connection to any other link in the chain as the culprit. I disconnected the preamp (Thaedra) from the amp, unplugged everything else, and plugged 'zilla straight into the wall, then turned it on again. The hum returned, accompanied by a couple of fairly loud pops from the left channel speaker. The system worked fine in the previous apartment, but for an annoyance with the old cooling fan. After seeking some newsgroup advice, I found a Papst fan to replace it, but did not find the time to try the system with the new fan in the old location. In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? Thanks in advance, Phil |
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"John A. Weeks III" wrote in message ... In article , Phil Anderson wrote: In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? It would be nice to rule the fan in or out right away. You can probably run the amp for a short period of time without it. How about disconnecting the fan, both wires, and see what happens. If it still hums, then it wasn't the fan, and you likely have a power or grounding issue. Some followup before I disconnect the fan tomorrow night. Mark Zacharias asked if the hum was in one or both channels. After turning it back on to check, I wrote the following to him, and wonder if it changes your fan suggestion at all: quote: This turns out to be a little weirder than I thought. When I heard the hum last night, it never occurred to me it might be from one channel only. I figured this was a ground hum, and such things always occur in both channels, do they not? The pop came from the left channel, that I was sure of, but nothing more. So, I turned it on again tonight, with a listener staged by the right channel. She heard nothing. I heard another pop from the left channel. I moved over to that speaker, and heard only a very slight hiss. The hum is coming from the amp itself! I am far from expert in any of this, but I've got to admit this worries me a lot more than did the thought I had a ground hum to diagnose. Also, my power meter lights no longer work. I am certain that they worked in the old apartment, all those months ago. I do not recall if they worked last night or not. I turned it off pretty quick and do not recall noticing. What is my next step? end quote Phil |
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Ampzilla Hums! - Troubleshooting advice, please.
"John A. Weeks III" wrote in message ... In article , Phil Anderson wrote: In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? It would be nice to rule the fan in or out right away. You can probably run the amp for a short period of time without it. How about disconnecting the fan, both wires, and see what happens. If it still hums, then it wasn't the fan, and you likely have a power or grounding issue. Some followup before I disconnect the fan tomorrow night. Mark Zacharias asked if the hum was in one or both channels. After turning it back on to check, I wrote the following to him, and wonder if it changes your fan suggestion at all: quote: This turns out to be a little weirder than I thought. When I heard the hum last night, it never occurred to me it might be from one channel only. I figured this was a ground hum, and such things always occur in both channels, do they not? The pop came from the left channel, that I was sure of, but nothing more. So, I turned it on again tonight, with a listener staged by the right channel. She heard nothing. I heard another pop from the left channel. I moved over to that speaker, and heard only a very slight hiss. The hum is coming from the amp itself! I am far from expert in any of this, but I've got to admit this worries me a lot more than did the thought I had a ground hum to diagnose. Also, my power meter lights no longer work. I am certain that they worked in the old apartment, all those months ago. I do not recall if they worked last night or not. I turned it off pretty quick and do not recall noticing. What is my next step? end quote Phil |
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"John A. Weeks III" wrote in message ... In article , Phil Anderson wrote: In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? It would be nice to rule the fan in or out right away. You can probably run the amp for a short period of time without it. How about disconnecting the fan, both wires, and see what happens. If it still hums, then it wasn't the fan, and you likely have a power or grounding issue. Some followup before I disconnect the fan tomorrow night. Mark Zacharias asked if the hum was in one or both channels. After turning it back on to check, I wrote the following to him, and wonder if it changes your fan suggestion at all: quote: This turns out to be a little weirder than I thought. When I heard the hum last night, it never occurred to me it might be from one channel only. I figured this was a ground hum, and such things always occur in both channels, do they not? The pop came from the left channel, that I was sure of, but nothing more. So, I turned it on again tonight, with a listener staged by the right channel. She heard nothing. I heard another pop from the left channel. I moved over to that speaker, and heard only a very slight hiss. The hum is coming from the amp itself! I am far from expert in any of this, but I've got to admit this worries me a lot more than did the thought I had a ground hum to diagnose. Also, my power meter lights no longer work. I am certain that they worked in the old apartment, all those months ago. I do not recall if they worked last night or not. I turned it off pretty quick and do not recall noticing. What is my next step? end quote Phil |
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"John A. Weeks III" wrote in message ... In article , Phil Anderson wrote: In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? It would be nice to rule the fan in or out right away. You can probably run the amp for a short period of time without it. How about disconnecting the fan, both wires, and see what happens. If it still hums, then it wasn't the fan, and you likely have a power or grounding issue. Some followup before I disconnect the fan tomorrow night. Mark Zacharias asked if the hum was in one or both channels. After turning it back on to check, I wrote the following to him, and wonder if it changes your fan suggestion at all: quote: This turns out to be a little weirder than I thought. When I heard the hum last night, it never occurred to me it might be from one channel only. I figured this was a ground hum, and such things always occur in both channels, do they not? The pop came from the left channel, that I was sure of, but nothing more. So, I turned it on again tonight, with a listener staged by the right channel. She heard nothing. I heard another pop from the left channel. I moved over to that speaker, and heard only a very slight hiss. The hum is coming from the amp itself! I am far from expert in any of this, but I've got to admit this worries me a lot more than did the thought I had a ground hum to diagnose. Also, my power meter lights no longer work. I am certain that they worked in the old apartment, all those months ago. I do not recall if they worked last night or not. I turned it off pretty quick and do not recall noticing. What is my next step? end quote Phil |
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"Phil Anderson" wrote: This turns out to be a little weirder than I thought. When I heard the hum last night, it never occurred to me it might be from one channel only. I figured this was a ground hum, and such things always occur in both channels, do they not? The pop came from the left channel, that I was sure of, but nothing more. So, I turned it on again tonight, with a listener staged by the right channel. She heard nothing. I heard another pop from the left channel. I moved over to that speaker, and heard only a very slight hiss. The hum is coming from the amp itself! I am far from expert in any of this, but I've got to admit this worries me a lot more than did the thought I had a ground hum to diagnose. Also, my power meter lights no longer work. I am certain that they worked in the old apartment, all those months ago. I do not recall if they worked last night or not. I turned it off pretty quick and do not recall noticing. What is my next step? Phil The pops could be a bad electrolytic capacitor or solder joint. As for the hum, you probably caused that during repairs. Find the vibrating panel and crease it, or check that the fan is mounted the right way. |
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"Phil Anderson" wrote: This turns out to be a little weirder than I thought. When I heard the hum last night, it never occurred to me it might be from one channel only. I figured this was a ground hum, and such things always occur in both channels, do they not? The pop came from the left channel, that I was sure of, but nothing more. So, I turned it on again tonight, with a listener staged by the right channel. She heard nothing. I heard another pop from the left channel. I moved over to that speaker, and heard only a very slight hiss. The hum is coming from the amp itself! I am far from expert in any of this, but I've got to admit this worries me a lot more than did the thought I had a ground hum to diagnose. Also, my power meter lights no longer work. I am certain that they worked in the old apartment, all those months ago. I do not recall if they worked last night or not. I turned it off pretty quick and do not recall noticing. What is my next step? Phil The pops could be a bad electrolytic capacitor or solder joint. As for the hum, you probably caused that during repairs. Find the vibrating panel and crease it, or check that the fan is mounted the right way. |
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In article ,
"Phil Anderson" wrote: This turns out to be a little weirder than I thought. When I heard the hum last night, it never occurred to me it might be from one channel only. I figured this was a ground hum, and such things always occur in both channels, do they not? The pop came from the left channel, that I was sure of, but nothing more. So, I turned it on again tonight, with a listener staged by the right channel. She heard nothing. I heard another pop from the left channel. I moved over to that speaker, and heard only a very slight hiss. The hum is coming from the amp itself! I am far from expert in any of this, but I've got to admit this worries me a lot more than did the thought I had a ground hum to diagnose. Also, my power meter lights no longer work. I am certain that they worked in the old apartment, all those months ago. I do not recall if they worked last night or not. I turned it off pretty quick and do not recall noticing. What is my next step? Phil The pops could be a bad electrolytic capacitor or solder joint. As for the hum, you probably caused that during repairs. Find the vibrating panel and crease it, or check that the fan is mounted the right way. |
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In article ,
"Phil Anderson" wrote: This turns out to be a little weirder than I thought. When I heard the hum last night, it never occurred to me it might be from one channel only. I figured this was a ground hum, and such things always occur in both channels, do they not? The pop came from the left channel, that I was sure of, but nothing more. So, I turned it on again tonight, with a listener staged by the right channel. She heard nothing. I heard another pop from the left channel. I moved over to that speaker, and heard only a very slight hiss. The hum is coming from the amp itself! I am far from expert in any of this, but I've got to admit this worries me a lot more than did the thought I had a ground hum to diagnose. Also, my power meter lights no longer work. I am certain that they worked in the old apartment, all those months ago. I do not recall if they worked last night or not. I turned it off pretty quick and do not recall noticing. What is my next step? Phil The pops could be a bad electrolytic capacitor or solder joint. As for the hum, you probably caused that during repairs. Find the vibrating panel and crease it, or check that the fan is mounted the right way. |
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Hi, Phil.
I'm still not sure from your response whether the hum is coming from one or both speakers, or a mechanical noise from the amp chassis itself. If it's a mechanical noise, one can use a listening instrument such as a medium length screwdriver, and physically touch it to a part of the chassis while holding the handle to your ear. Works like a stethoscope, and I find this useful to help isolate mech noises. To be truthful I'm not very familiar with the larger 'Zilla, but I'm pretty sure I have a schematic somewhere. It's not uncommon for lamps to fail after a piece is moved from one location to another. The old filament is often very weak from age and the slightest vibration is all it takes for it to die. Mark Z. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Phil Anderson" wrote in message ... "John A. Weeks III" wrote in message ... In article , Phil Anderson wrote: In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? It would be nice to rule the fan in or out right away. You can probably run the amp for a short period of time without it. How about disconnecting the fan, both wires, and see what happens. If it still hums, then it wasn't the fan, and you likely have a power or grounding issue. Some followup before I disconnect the fan tomorrow night. Mark Zacharias asked if the hum was in one or both channels. After turning it back on to check, I wrote the following to him, and wonder if it changes your fan suggestion at all: quote: This turns out to be a little weirder than I thought. When I heard the hum last night, it never occurred to me it might be from one channel only. I figured this was a ground hum, and such things always occur in both channels, do they not? The pop came from the left channel, that I was sure of, but nothing more. So, I turned it on again tonight, with a listener staged by the right channel. She heard nothing. I heard another pop from the left channel. I moved over to that speaker, and heard only a very slight hiss. The hum is coming from the amp itself! I am far from expert in any of this, but I've got to admit this worries me a lot more than did the thought I had a ground hum to diagnose. Also, my power meter lights no longer work. I am certain that they worked in the old apartment, all those months ago. I do not recall if they worked last night or not. I turned it off pretty quick and do not recall noticing. What is my next step? end quote Phil |
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Ampzilla Hums! - Troubleshooting advice, please.
Hi, Phil.
I'm still not sure from your response whether the hum is coming from one or both speakers, or a mechanical noise from the amp chassis itself. If it's a mechanical noise, one can use a listening instrument such as a medium length screwdriver, and physically touch it to a part of the chassis while holding the handle to your ear. Works like a stethoscope, and I find this useful to help isolate mech noises. To be truthful I'm not very familiar with the larger 'Zilla, but I'm pretty sure I have a schematic somewhere. It's not uncommon for lamps to fail after a piece is moved from one location to another. The old filament is often very weak from age and the slightest vibration is all it takes for it to die. Mark Z. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Phil Anderson" wrote in message ... "John A. Weeks III" wrote in message ... In article , Phil Anderson wrote: In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? It would be nice to rule the fan in or out right away. You can probably run the amp for a short period of time without it. How about disconnecting the fan, both wires, and see what happens. If it still hums, then it wasn't the fan, and you likely have a power or grounding issue. Some followup before I disconnect the fan tomorrow night. Mark Zacharias asked if the hum was in one or both channels. After turning it back on to check, I wrote the following to him, and wonder if it changes your fan suggestion at all: quote: This turns out to be a little weirder than I thought. When I heard the hum last night, it never occurred to me it might be from one channel only. I figured this was a ground hum, and such things always occur in both channels, do they not? The pop came from the left channel, that I was sure of, but nothing more. So, I turned it on again tonight, with a listener staged by the right channel. She heard nothing. I heard another pop from the left channel. I moved over to that speaker, and heard only a very slight hiss. The hum is coming from the amp itself! I am far from expert in any of this, but I've got to admit this worries me a lot more than did the thought I had a ground hum to diagnose. Also, my power meter lights no longer work. I am certain that they worked in the old apartment, all those months ago. I do not recall if they worked last night or not. I turned it off pretty quick and do not recall noticing. What is my next step? end quote Phil |
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Hi, Phil.
I'm still not sure from your response whether the hum is coming from one or both speakers, or a mechanical noise from the amp chassis itself. If it's a mechanical noise, one can use a listening instrument such as a medium length screwdriver, and physically touch it to a part of the chassis while holding the handle to your ear. Works like a stethoscope, and I find this useful to help isolate mech noises. To be truthful I'm not very familiar with the larger 'Zilla, but I'm pretty sure I have a schematic somewhere. It's not uncommon for lamps to fail after a piece is moved from one location to another. The old filament is often very weak from age and the slightest vibration is all it takes for it to die. Mark Z. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Phil Anderson" wrote in message ... "John A. Weeks III" wrote in message ... In article , Phil Anderson wrote: In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? It would be nice to rule the fan in or out right away. You can probably run the amp for a short period of time without it. How about disconnecting the fan, both wires, and see what happens. If it still hums, then it wasn't the fan, and you likely have a power or grounding issue. Some followup before I disconnect the fan tomorrow night. Mark Zacharias asked if the hum was in one or both channels. After turning it back on to check, I wrote the following to him, and wonder if it changes your fan suggestion at all: quote: This turns out to be a little weirder than I thought. When I heard the hum last night, it never occurred to me it might be from one channel only. I figured this was a ground hum, and such things always occur in both channels, do they not? The pop came from the left channel, that I was sure of, but nothing more. So, I turned it on again tonight, with a listener staged by the right channel. She heard nothing. I heard another pop from the left channel. I moved over to that speaker, and heard only a very slight hiss. The hum is coming from the amp itself! I am far from expert in any of this, but I've got to admit this worries me a lot more than did the thought I had a ground hum to diagnose. Also, my power meter lights no longer work. I am certain that they worked in the old apartment, all those months ago. I do not recall if they worked last night or not. I turned it off pretty quick and do not recall noticing. What is my next step? end quote Phil |
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Hi, Phil.
I'm still not sure from your response whether the hum is coming from one or both speakers, or a mechanical noise from the amp chassis itself. If it's a mechanical noise, one can use a listening instrument such as a medium length screwdriver, and physically touch it to a part of the chassis while holding the handle to your ear. Works like a stethoscope, and I find this useful to help isolate mech noises. To be truthful I'm not very familiar with the larger 'Zilla, but I'm pretty sure I have a schematic somewhere. It's not uncommon for lamps to fail after a piece is moved from one location to another. The old filament is often very weak from age and the slightest vibration is all it takes for it to die. Mark Z. -- Please reply only to Group. I regret this is necessary. Viruses and spam have rendered my regular e-mail address useless. "Phil Anderson" wrote in message ... "John A. Weeks III" wrote in message ... In article , Phil Anderson wrote: In short, it worked, I replaced the fan, I moved, and now it hums. At the risk of sounding like some sort of electronics school exam: How many possible hum sources are there in the above scenario, and what can I do to troubleshoot them and/or rule some out? It would be nice to rule the fan in or out right away. You can probably run the amp for a short period of time without it. How about disconnecting the fan, both wires, and see what happens. If it still hums, then it wasn't the fan, and you likely have a power or grounding issue. Some followup before I disconnect the fan tomorrow night. Mark Zacharias asked if the hum was in one or both channels. After turning it back on to check, I wrote the following to him, and wonder if it changes your fan suggestion at all: quote: This turns out to be a little weirder than I thought. When I heard the hum last night, it never occurred to me it might be from one channel only. I figured this was a ground hum, and such things always occur in both channels, do they not? The pop came from the left channel, that I was sure of, but nothing more. So, I turned it on again tonight, with a listener staged by the right channel. She heard nothing. I heard another pop from the left channel. I moved over to that speaker, and heard only a very slight hiss. The hum is coming from the amp itself! I am far from expert in any of this, but I've got to admit this worries me a lot more than did the thought I had a ground hum to diagnose. Also, my power meter lights no longer work. I am certain that they worked in the old apartment, all those months ago. I do not recall if they worked last night or not. I turned it off pretty quick and do not recall noticing. What is my next step? end quote Phil |
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"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... Hi, Phil. I'm still not sure from your response whether the hum is coming from one or both speakers, or a mechanical noise from the amp chassis itself. If it's a mechanical noise, one can use a listening instrument such as a medium length screwdriver, and physically touch it to a part of the chassis while holding the handle to your ear. Works like a stethoscope, and I find this useful to help isolate mech noises. I am sorry if I was unclear. The hum is from the amp itself. Also, the meter lamps have stopped working. |
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"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... Hi, Phil. I'm still not sure from your response whether the hum is coming from one or both speakers, or a mechanical noise from the amp chassis itself. If it's a mechanical noise, one can use a listening instrument such as a medium length screwdriver, and physically touch it to a part of the chassis while holding the handle to your ear. Works like a stethoscope, and I find this useful to help isolate mech noises. I am sorry if I was unclear. The hum is from the amp itself. Also, the meter lamps have stopped working. |
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"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... Hi, Phil. I'm still not sure from your response whether the hum is coming from one or both speakers, or a mechanical noise from the amp chassis itself. If it's a mechanical noise, one can use a listening instrument such as a medium length screwdriver, and physically touch it to a part of the chassis while holding the handle to your ear. Works like a stethoscope, and I find this useful to help isolate mech noises. I am sorry if I was unclear. The hum is from the amp itself. Also, the meter lamps have stopped working. |
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"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... Hi, Phil. I'm still not sure from your response whether the hum is coming from one or both speakers, or a mechanical noise from the amp chassis itself. If it's a mechanical noise, one can use a listening instrument such as a medium length screwdriver, and physically touch it to a part of the chassis while holding the handle to your ear. Works like a stethoscope, and I find this useful to help isolate mech noises. I am sorry if I was unclear. The hum is from the amp itself. Also, the meter lamps have stopped working. |
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"Phil Anderson" wrote in message
"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... Hi, Phil. I'm still not sure from your response whether the hum is coming from one or both speakers, or a mechanical noise from the amp chassis itself. If it's a mechanical noise, one can use a listening instrument such as a medium length screwdriver, and physically touch it to a part of the chassis while holding the handle to your ear. Works like a stethoscope, and I find this useful to help isolate mech noises. I am sorry if I was unclear. The hum is from the amp itself. Also, the meter lamps have stopped working. You moved your abode, which means that the amp was shipped. Both of these symptoms could be the result of severe shock, which is of course common when things are shipped. The hum could be due to something getting a little loose, mechanically. The bulbs may have failed because their filaments were damaged by extreme shock. |
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"Phil Anderson" wrote in message
"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... Hi, Phil. I'm still not sure from your response whether the hum is coming from one or both speakers, or a mechanical noise from the amp chassis itself. If it's a mechanical noise, one can use a listening instrument such as a medium length screwdriver, and physically touch it to a part of the chassis while holding the handle to your ear. Works like a stethoscope, and I find this useful to help isolate mech noises. I am sorry if I was unclear. The hum is from the amp itself. Also, the meter lamps have stopped working. You moved your abode, which means that the amp was shipped. Both of these symptoms could be the result of severe shock, which is of course common when things are shipped. The hum could be due to something getting a little loose, mechanically. The bulbs may have failed because their filaments were damaged by extreme shock. |
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"Phil Anderson" wrote in message
"Mark D. Zacharias" wrote in message ... Hi, Phil. I'm still not sure from your response whether the hum is coming from one or both speakers, or a mechanical noise from the amp chassis itself. If it's a mechanical noise, one can use a listening instrument such as a medium length screwdriver, and physically touch it to a part of the chassis while holding the handle to your ear. Works like a stethoscope, and I find this useful to help isolate mech noises. I am sorry if I was unclear. The hum is from the amp itself. Also, the meter lamps have stopped working. You moved your abode, which means that the amp was shipped. Both of these symptoms could be the result of severe shock, which is of course common when things are shipped. The hum could be due to something getting a little loose, mechanically. The bulbs may have failed because their filaments were damaged by extreme shock. |
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