"Joe Sensor" wrote in message
...
Steven Sullivan wrote:

So, I wonder what these folks are seeing/hearing?

Yeah, everyones a critic.

You mean " everone's a critic ".

critic geoff

"hank alrich" wrote in message
.. .
Steven Sullivan wrote:

But all critics are not equally observant.

So why are _you_ wondering what those folks are seeing and hearing? Do
you have one of those TeeVees that's six feet across and 480 x 640
pixels, offering about the same resolution as a second-hand New Year's
Eve?

If it does that resolution it's twice as good as the average TV then...

geoff

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
JWelsh3374 wrote:
Are we *sure* there were no taped vocals?


Duh...no taped vocals. Jeez....skeptical?

Yes. It's the Superbowl halftime show, for christ's sake.
How much of it do you think has been left to chance since,
oh, 1990 or so?

He ****ing rocked...end of story.

I agree, but that doesn't mean there were no tapes.

And it sure doesn't mean that there were.


geoff

Joe Sensor wrote:
My thoughts exactly.

JWelsh3374 wrote:

Could have been this...might have been that.

They were ****ing playing LIVE, dudes. Period. Ever see/hear DELAY in
a stadium
feed?

JESUS H. ****! What are you guys, HIGH?

It was LIVE. Period.

Get over yerselves fer chrissakes.

Shee-it! Y'all sound like a bunch of cackling hens.

Boomer or not...it was ****ing LIVE.

There was no cowbell in Get Back. There were no delayed drum fills.
Paul's hand
never came off his bass or his piano...get the **** over it. It was LIVE.

Jee-zuzzz...I've never heard such stupid remarks in my life.

What a bunch of pathetic ****ing wimps. Who ARE you people?!?!?!?

It was a mix of recorded and live sound
I believe the singing was live
much of the drums were not
george

While this debate will rage forever, the local news reported that the
FCC had two complaints about the halftime show being too boring. Seems
you can't please everyone.

Eric

On 07 Feb 2005, ojunk (JWelsh3374) wrote in
:

Could have been this...might have been that.

They were ****ing playing LIVE, dudes. Period. Ever see/hear DELAY
in a stadium feed?

JESUS H. ****! What are you guys, HIGH?

No, but you sound like YOU're high. Why else would you be bitching at
me, when all I did was suggest that some of the sound may have been
played LIVE by the keyboard player.

Get over yerselves fer chrissakes.

After you, sir.

hank alrich wrote:
Steven Sullivan wrote:

If you were any good at this sort of thing, so would you.

If I was good at watching television? Collecting couches? Mimicing a
potato? If I had Tivo'd the Stupor Bowl?


The correct answer is: slaying people with your wit.

But don't worry, just because I don't think you're funny, doesn't mean you
aren't a clown.



--

-S
If you're a nut and knock on enough doors, eventually someone will open one,
look at you and say, Messiah, we have waited for your arrival.

And here's another fellow who can't read:

Joe Sensor wrote:
I can't even believe this discussion. The music industry has become so
fake that people can no longer even believe that a live performance is
possible.

How sad.

Indeed.

--

-S
If you're a nut and knock on enough doors, eventually someone will open one,
look at you and say, Messiah, we have waited for your arrival.

JWelsh3374 wrote:
Could have been this...might have been that.

They were ****ing playing LIVE, dudes. Period. Ever see/hear DELAY in a stadium
feed?

Sure, but was *everything* LIVE, dude?


JESUS H. ****! What are you guys, HIGH?

No, just askin'.

It was LIVE. Period.

Well, no, that's hasn't been determined. Would you be terribly
shocked if the Superbowl halftime show wasn't, like, TOTALLY live?

Get over yerselves fer chrissakes.

Shee-it! Y'all sound like a bunch of cackling hens.

Boomer or not...it was ****ing LIVE.

Say it a few ore times...maybe it gets more convincing.

There was no cowbell in Get Back. There were no delayed drum fills. Paul's hand
never came off his bass or his piano...get the **** over it. It was LIVE.

Nope, still not there yet.

Jee-zuzzz...I've never heard such stupid remarks in my life.

What a bunch of pathetic ****ing wimps. Who ARE you people?!?!?!?

Apparenlty less excitable than you.


--

-S
If you're a nut and knock on enough doors, eventually someone will open one,
look at you and say, Messiah, we have waited for your arrival.

Geoff Wood wrote:

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message

Is it really so hard to believe he could do it live?

No. Is it really so hard to believe it might have been sweetened?

Why ? Much easier just to 'do it' . Especially if you can, with little
effort.

Hmm.. so none of the performers who've appeared in Superbowl halftimes
past, could 'do it'....except Sir Paul?



--

-S
If you're a nut and knock on enough doors, eventually someone will open one,
look at you and say, Messiah, we have waited for your arrival.

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 04:52:33 +0000 (UTC), Steven Sullivan
wrote:

Geoff Wood wrote:

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message

Is it really so hard to believe he could do it live?

No. Is it really so hard to believe it might have been sweetened?

Why ? Much easier just to 'do it' . Especially if you can, with little
effort.

Hmm.. so none of the performers who've appeared in Superbowl halftimes
past, could 'do it'....except Sir Paul?

Gwen Stefani & Sting had no problem performing live... it's not a lost
art.

Al

Geoff Wood wrote:

"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
JWelsh3374 wrote:
Are we *sure* there were no taped vocals?


Duh...no taped vocals. Jeez....skeptical?

Yes. It's the Superbowl halftime show, for christ's sake.
How much of it do you think has been left to chance since,
oh, 1990 or so?

He ****ing rocked...end of story.

I agree, but that doesn't mean there were no tapes.

And it sure doesn't mean that there were.

LOL. "He ****ing rocked, that means he used tapes"
Who said *that*? Anyone?

What I more or less said was that 'sweetening' has
been commmonplace in Superbowl halftime shows for many years
now. So it's reasonable to ask if it was used
last Sunday. Some people say they saw/heard synching
problems, sudden changes in audio, etc. That could
suggest the answer is yes.

And then there's reports like this:

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/sh...6&postcount=59


And, I hope it doesn't shock you too much to find that
'volunteers' (only under 35 and good-looking need
apply) were recruited to fill the areas near the stage;
and that they were given lighters and placards to hold up --
or did you imagine that was all happened without
any 'assist' too? There really isn't much left to
chance at these sorts of media events, if the producers can
help it.

Anyway, I'd hoped that there'd be some pros on this
forum who might have some inside info on the sound
engineering of the show, either
direct or from contacts in the industry.
So far all I'm getting is noise, not much signal.
And some of you guys seem WAAAY to emotionally
invested in the *impossibility* of McCartney
using tapes. That's not rational.






--

-S
If you're a nut and knock on enough doors, eventually someone will open one,
look at you and say, Messiah, we have waited for your arrival.

Neil Henderson wrote:

Hey, at least I didn't throw out an f-bomb that time.

Well, why the **** not? Where the **** is your sense of ****ing style,
man?? g


(Whooops, I hear the dorrbell ringing... Lanis says it's Michael
Powell...and John Ashcroft.)
--
ha

Steven Sullivan wrote:

And then there's reports like this:

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/sh...6&postcount=59

Report? Now some geek spouting on an internet chat group becomes a report?

No, you're right. I'm sure McCartney was quite worried he couldn't
perform these songs, so he decided to lip the words to a taped track.
After all, he has only sang them about 5,000 times over the last nearly
40 years.

Just curious, how old are you, anyway?

Joe Sensor wrote:

Report? Now some geek spouting on an internet chat group becomes a report?

Maybe Sully doesn't have a TeeVee, either, so he has no way to make up
his own mind. Everybody knows chat's where it's at when you need a life
and can't find one.

--
ha

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:19:39 -0500, (Eric Toline)
wrote:

While this debate will rage forever, the local news reported that the
FCC had two complaints about the halftime show being too boring. Seems
you can't please everyone.

Eric

Yeah, Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake were totally bored.

Two complaints out of how many millions of viewers? Can you say
'insignificant', boys and girls?... sure you can....

(RIP Fred R.)


====================
Tracy Wintermute

Rushcreek Ranch
====================

He lip synched. It was obvious to everyone. What a disgrace.
Who still listens to this guy? People in nursing homes think he's a
fing bore.....
hank alrich wrote:
Joe Sensor wrote:

Report? Now some geek spouting on an internet chat group becomes a
report?

Maybe Sully doesn't have a TeeVee, either, so he has no way to make
up
his own mind. Everybody knows chat's where it's at when you need a
life
and can't find one.

--
ha

I hear the game was played last year I could tell by all the out of date
clothing and the cheers didn't sync up properly.....It was a dead giveaway.
:-)

On top of that I would like to add that even though I did not see half time
I don't think a musician of Pauls caliber would fake it....he dosen't have
to.....he is that good.



Steven Sullivan wrote in message
...
JWelsh3374 wrote:
Could have been this...might have been that.

They were ****ing playing LIVE, dudes. Period. Ever see/hear DELAY in a
stadium
feed?

Sure, but was *everything* LIVE, dude?


JESUS H. ****! What are you guys, HIGH?

No, just askin'.

It was LIVE. Period.

Well, no, that's hasn't been determined. Would you be terribly
shocked if the Superbowl halftime show wasn't, like, TOTALLY live?

Get over yerselves fer chrissakes.

Shee-it! Y'all sound like a bunch of cackling hens.

Boomer or not...it was ****ing LIVE.

Say it a few ore times...maybe it gets more convincing.

There was no cowbell in Get Back. There were no delayed drum fills.
Paul's hand
never came off his bass or his piano...get the **** over it. It was
LIVE.

Nope, still not there yet.

Jee-zuzzz...I've never heard such stupid remarks in my life.

What a bunch of pathetic ****ing wimps. Who ARE you people?!?!?!?

Apparenlty less excitable than you.


--

-S
If you're a nut and knock on enough doors, eventually someone will open
one,
look at you and say, Messiah, we have waited for your arrival.

You didn't hear the cowbell? You didn't see/hear the drummer actually come
in late a couple times & make up for it by hurrying into the downbeat?


No. Didn't "hear" a cowbell. We had a singer in a band years ago that "heard"
extra harmonies that weren't there. Perhaps you were having an audio
hallucination. And, no...didn't "see" the drummer come in late.

Refrain from including me in that categorization Walmart-boy,

That's MISTER Wal-Mart boy to you, sport.

Twit.

Lol....

searching for peace, love and quality footwear
guido

http://www.guidotoons.com
http://www.theloniousmoog.com
http://www.luckymanclark.com

There are fifty plus messages responding to my original post that the old man
still rocks.

Let's talk about the JFK assassination!


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http://www.theloniousmoog.com
http://www.luckymanclark.com

play_on wrote:

Gwen Stefani & Sting had no problem performing live... it's not a lost
art.

Stefani and Stink were not live. Their Vox mics were on and they were
superimposed over a recorded/sampled tracks

--
Nathan

"Imagine if there were no Hypothetical Situations"

Roger W. Norman wrote:
Oops, shouldn't post before coffee. Long and Winding Road is
McCartney's
usual ending fare. Had to look it up.

Man, this getting old is getting old.

I've seen McCartney at least once on every tour he has done since he
started touring again in 89, and he has never ended any of the shows
with The Long and Winding Road. On the 89/90 tour, he ended with the
Abbey Road medley. On the 93 tour, he ended with Hey Jude. On his most
recent tour, he finished with the reprise from Sgt. Pepper and The End
from the Abbey Road medley.

wr

Seems preposterous to me that there seems to be no authoritative word on
this.

I rather suspect that McCartney wouldn't risk the embarrassment. But,
as I observed elsewhere, maybe we live in an age in which the only thing
people think is shameful is getting caught.

Steven Sullivan wrote:
And here's another fellow who can't read:

Joe Sensor wrote:

I can't even believe this discussion. The music industry has become so
fake that people can no longer even believe that a live performance is
possible.


How sad.


Indeed.

In article , Steven Sullivan
wrote:

Jay Kadis wrote:
McCartney aside, was the game real? It kind of looked like one of those
Madden
football programs.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x


Do you employ this sort of logic when you lecture?

Then again, maybe you think those arrows that appeared on the turf
during certain moment of the game, must've been real too.

After all, you *saw* them.



Word to the humor impaired...

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

Bill Van Dyk wrote:
Seems preposterous to me that there seems to be no authoritative word on
this.

I rather suspect that McCartney wouldn't risk the embarrassment. But,
as I observed elsewhere, maybe we live in an age in which the only thing
people think is shameful is getting caught.


Getting cAught ? doing what?
mixing prerecorded tracks with live music?
since when is this a sin?

you talk like this is GW fearing be caught in his election rigging bull****
Who cares?
there was clearly sound coming from the TV feed that was nOT being
played on stage
no one expects that entire orchestration can be done live without any
chace of failure
IT NEEDS TO be redundent in order to be reliable
\do you honestly think there was not a back up vox track for paul
playing in case his vox mic failed?
to do so is nieve
It is not shameful to be sure your performance is fail proof
it is professional
George

Bill Van Dyk wrote:

Seems preposterous to me that there seems to be no authoritative word on
this.

As preposterous as folks taking all this so very seriously? Yikes!

--
ha

Steven Sullivan wrote:

hank alrich wrote:
Steven Sullivan wrote:

If you were any good at this sort of thing, so would you.

If I was good at watching television? Collecting couches? Mimicing a
potato? If I had Tivo'd the Stupor Bowl?

The correct answer is: slaying people with your wit.

Humoring you is like slaying the dead.

Mr. Kadis already demonstrated that you know less about wit than you do
about live performance. You can't even determine what you see, Tivo'd or
otherwise.

But don't worry, just because I don't think you're funny, doesn't mean you
aren't a clown.

Thank you. That puts me in show biz and you in the stands. If either of
your testicles actually descend you may become man enough to make your
won decisions about what you see on TV instead of crediting chat rooms
with authority. That still won't get you a life.

--
ha

In article writes:

I can't even believe this discussion. The music industry has become so
fake that people can no longer even believe that a live performance is
possible.

I agree. Was anyone actually there in the stands and close enough to
see exactly what was (and wasn't) on stage?

Maybe they just played a videotape on the monitors at the stadium and
there were just some actors on stage. I saw The Beatles at DC Stadium
on their first USA tour and it could have been anyone up there. At
least the audio is better now.

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Troy wrote:

I hear the game was played last year I could tell by all the out of date
clothing and the cheers didn't sync up properly.....It was a dead giveaway.
:-)

On top of that I would like to add that even though I did not see half time
I don't think a musician of Pauls caliber would fake it....he dosen't have
to.....he is that good.



Let's just hope that Paul's performance raises the bar for American Pop
Culture, having been given the chance to upstage all of the last decade.

JWelsh3374 wrote:


Let's talk about the JFK assassination!


You've seen the picture of that great, magical jam session in the
basement of the Dallas police station: Lee on lead vox pouring his life
into it, Ruby playing a killer strat, and the Dallas police chief on a
stack of Rolands?

Joe Sensor wrote:
Steven Sullivan wrote:

And then there's reports like this:

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/sh...6&postcount=59

Report? Now some geek spouting on an internet chat group becomes a report?

Yes, exactly : a report, nothing more or less.

No, you're right. I'm sure McCartney was quite worried he couldn't
perform these songs, so he decided to lip the words to a taped track.
After all, he has only sang them about 5,000 times over the last nearly
40 years.

Just curious, how old are you, anyway?

Old enough to remember when the Beatles first hit big here.

--

-S
If you're a nut and knock on enough doors, eventually someone will open one,
look at you and say, Messiah, we have waited for your arrival.

hank alrich wrote:
Joe Sensor wrote:

Report? Now some geek spouting on an internet chat group becomes a report?

Maybe Sully doesn't have a TeeVee, either, so he has no way to make up
his own mind. Everybody knows chat's where it's at when you need a life
and can't find one.

I saw the show; I wasn't sure whether it was all live or not.

You, on the other hand, don't watch tv, didn't see the show, and yet seem
to think you know more about it than me, or anyone else who did.

Curious.

--

-S
If you're a nut and knock on enough doors, eventually someone will open one,
look at you and say, Messiah, we have waited for your arrival.

hank alrich wrote:
Steven Sullivan wrote:

hank alrich wrote:
Steven Sullivan wrote:

If you were any good at this sort of thing, so would you.

If I was good at watching television? Collecting couches? Mimicing a
potato? If I had Tivo'd the Stupor Bowl?

The correct answer is: slaying people with your wit.

Humoring you is like slaying the dead.

But you aren't even humoring me.

Mr. Kadis already demonstrated that you know less about wit than you do
about live performance. You can't even determine what you see, Tivo'd or
otherwise.

Oh..right. Darn that *demonstration*.

But don't worry, just because I don't think you're funny, doesn't mean you
aren't a clown.

Thank you. That puts me in show biz and you in the stands.

No, I'm guessing in your case, it puts you at parties for five-year-olds,
....and ultimately in jail, selling clown paintings.

If either of
your testicles actually descend you may become man enough to make your
won decisions about what you see on TV instead of crediting chat rooms
with authority. That still won't get you a life.

oooh..'get a life'. *ouch*


--

-S
If you're a nut and knock on enough doors, eventually someone will open one,
look at you and say, Messiah, we have waited for your arrival.

In article writes:

Seems preposterous to me that there seems to be no authoritative word on
this.

I rather suspect that McCartney wouldn't risk the embarrassment.

Which embarassment is more embarassing - that he "can't" play live, or
that there will be a screwup somewhere (not his fault of course)
causing the show to the viewers to be interrupted?

McCartney has enough clout and enough professionalism to go either
way. He could say "I want to play live and if you don't want to risk
it, get someonen else." Or he could say "I know what technical
pressures you're up against. I'll be there, we'll play, and you do
what you need to do in order to give the viewers a good show."



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Mike Rivers wrote:
In article writes:


Seems preposterous to me that there seems to be no authoritative word on
this.

I rather suspect that McCartney wouldn't risk the embarrassment.


Which embarassment is more embarassing - that he "can't" play live, or
that there will be a screwup somewhere (not his fault of course)
causing the show to the viewers to be interrupted?

McCartney has enough clout and enough professionalism to go either
way. He could say "I want to play live and if you don't want to risk
it, get someonen else." Or he could say "I know what technical
pressures you're up against. I'll be there, we'll play, and you do
what you need to do in order to give the viewers a good show."


It is being reported in another group(aapls) that Sir Paul was at
Capitol records recording the backing tracks last week
me, I am just spreading internet chat rumors with no fact checking or
reason to support or deny my post
George

The drummer came in late on a fill in Get Back, and really late ( although he
picked right up) in Live and Let Die. That's what I saw and that's what I heard.

JWelsh3374 wrote:

You didn't hear the cowbell? You didn't see/hear the drummer actually come
in late a couple times & make up for it by hurrying into the downbeat?

No. Didn't "hear" a cowbell. We had a singer in a band years ago that "heard"
extra harmonies that weren't there. Perhaps you were having an audio
hallucination. And, no...didn't "see" the drummer come in late.

Refrain from including me in that categorization Walmart-boy,

That's MISTER Wal-Mart boy to you, sport.

Twit.

Lol....

searching for peace, love and quality footwear
guido

http://www.guidotoons.com
http://www.theloniousmoog.com
http://www.luckymanclark.com

--
Nathan

"Imagine if there were no Hypothetical Situations"

JWelsh3374 wrote:

Let's talk about the JFK assassination!

Well it's been obvious to anyone with eyes that Oswalds performance was faked.


--
Nathan

"Imagine if there were no Hypothetical Situations"

"Neil Henderson" wrote in
taped, though. Partly, I want to believe they were live; and partly, they
really did seem like it. I didn't notice ANY obvious synch-moments.


Presumably the orchestral crescendo in LALD was taped (did they have the
orch bit ?) , but this is routinely done and not pretending to be live. Or
did they do a live version of that ?

geoff

"Joe Sensor" wrote in message
...
I can't even believe this discussion. The music industry has become so fake
that people can no longer even believe that a live performance is possible.


How about the concept of "live, unamplified" !!!

geoff

"Eric Toline" wrote in message
...
While this debate will rage forever, the local news reported that the
FCC had two complaints about the halftime show being too boring. Seems
you can't please everyone.

Obviously exclusively-Stones fans then.

geoff