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This might be old news to a lot of you but there is a dorky little
program that has really become quite good. The problem with it is that it is going to really kill the small demo studio market. Has anyone checked out the "real tracks" Band in a box? The samples I heard were actually better then most people do in their well equipped home studios and certainly more then most $300 demos offer. I keep running across things that kill the value of recording studios and musicianship which of course kills creative new music and the value of the finished product. I'm pretty sure that a musician will soon again be the low totem on the poll again like we were a few centuries ago. I bugged out a few years back when I had a residual check so small I couldn't buy a burger with it. I've been a part time and for fun music guy since but I feel like the art of music is near gone. What are the deep in debt studios doing to stay afloat these days and is there anything that can be done to bring back this dying industry? |
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"Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~" wrote in message ... This might be old news to a lot of you but there is a dorky little program that has really become quite good. The problem with it is that it is going to really kill the small demo studio market. Has anyone checked out the "real tracks" Band in a box? The samples I heard were actually better then most people do in their well equipped home studios and certainly more then most $300 demos offer. I tend to look at this as more of a teaching tool than an alternate to recording in a studio. My cousin is one of the top teachers in my state and uses BIAB to make students more comfortable playing in a band setting. One woman is in her late 60's and has gotten pretty darn good at the standards and some bebop and is now looking to gig out. OTOH, If they start making 'hit' recordings with this, we're up sh*t's creek without a paddle Poly |
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On Apr 28, 10:12*am, "polymod" wrote:
"Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~" wrote in ... This might be old news to a lot of you but there is a dorky little program that has really become quite good. The problem with it is that it is going to really kill the small demo studio market. Has anyone checked out the "real tracks" Band in a box? The samples I heard were actually better then most people do in their well equipped home studios and certainly more then most $300 demos offer. I tend to look at this as more of a teaching tool than an alternate to recording in a studio. My cousin is one of the top teachers in my state and uses BIAB to make students more comfortable playing in a band setting. One woman is in her late 60's and has gotten pretty darn good at the standards and some bebop and is now looking to gig out. OTOH, If they start making 'hit' recordings with this, we're up sh*t's creek without a paddle Poly I listened to a mess of their demos last night and I can tell you that the real band stuff they have out now is really good. I think that for the sake of a songwriter needing tracks, this would cover them almost perfectly and with a little cut and paste, there is little that a songwriter couldn't do with this. As for releasing hit songs, I don't think that will happen but as for the small studio/ demo producer, I think they are up $#^t creak now. It's been hard for them to start with but now, with this, its bad. http://www.pgmusic.com/bbmac.demos.htm This is their link to a mess of demos they have up. The samples given are coming internet compressed of course but they have full dose aiff files on their best setup offer. Check out the smoothness of what you get for a few bucks. If I were a songwriter and knew anything at all about backing tracks, I'd go with this sucker and forego any cash outlay for a studio. Vocalists are almost safe but with autotune and all the tricks out for that, ... well, it sucks to be in the studio biz these days to say the least. |
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Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote:
This might be old news to a lot of you but there is a dorky little program that has really become quite good. The problem with it is that it is going to really kill the small demo studio market. Has anyone checked out the "real tracks" Band in a box? The samples I heard were actually better then most people do in their well equipped home studios and certainly more then most $300 demos offer. I keep running across things that kill the value of recording studios and musicianship which of course kills creative new music and the value of the finished product. I'm pretty sure that a musician will soon again be the low totem on the poll again like we were a few centuries ago. I bugged out a few years back when I had a residual check so small I couldn't buy a burger with it. I've been a part time and for fun music guy since but I feel like the art of music is near gone. What are the deep in debt studios doing to stay afloat these days and is there anything that can be done to bring back this dying industry? BiaB has been a heavy hitter in its own way for a long time. When I was regularly recording other folks, instead of fearing it, I used it to help them get their ideas together, to assemble backing bands for them to play along with, and so forth. I didn't use anything from it for finished recordings, but it was much easier for many folks to play along with the faux ensemble than to try to sync with a click track. It's also a really handy way for a writer/composer to outline arranngements. It's just another tool. These days the job is about skills and ideas. One can take advantage of many fine tools for little money, and let one's skills differentiate oneself from the rest of the crowd. Or not. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpqXcV9DYAc http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShai...withDougHarman |
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Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote:
This might be old news to a lot of you but there is a dorky little program that has really become quite good. The problem with it is that it is going to really kill the small demo studio market. Has anyone checked out the "real tracks" Band in a box? The samples I heard were actually better then most people do in their well equipped home studios and certainly more then most $300 demos offer. I keep running across things that kill the value of recording studios and musicianship which of course kills creative new music and the value of the finished product. I'm pretty sure that a musician will soon again be the low totem on the poll again like we were a few centuries ago. I bugged out a few years back when I had a residual check so small I couldn't buy a burger with it. I've been a part time and for fun music guy since but I feel like the art of music is near gone. What are the deep in debt studios doing to stay afloat these days and is there anything that can be done to bring back this dying industry? BIAB has been around for decade(s) and has yet to kill of real musicians. I'm sure it is getting better and better though. geoff |
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On Apr 28, 3:28*pm, "geoff" wrote:
Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote: This might be old news to a lot of you but there is a dorky little program that has really become quite good. The problem with it is that it is going to really kill the small demo studio market. Has anyone checked out the "real tracks" Band in a box? The samples I heard were actually better then most people do in their well equipped home studios and certainly more then most $300 demos offer. I keep running across things that kill the value of recording studios and musicianship which of course kills creative new music and the value of the finished product. I'm pretty sure that a musician will soon again be the low totem on the poll again like we were a few centuries ago. I bugged out a few years back when I had a residual check so small I couldn't buy a burger with it. I've been a part time and for fun music guy since but I feel like the art of music is near gone. What are the deep in debt studios doing to stay afloat these days and is there anything that can be done to bring back this dying industry? BIAB has been around for decade(s) and has yet to kill of real musicians. I'm sure it is getting better and better though. geoff yeah- check out the demos on that link post 3. I've known about them for decades too but this is a major step and much different. |
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hank alrich wrote:
Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) wrote: This might be old news to a lot of you but there is a dorky little program that has really become quite good. The problem with it is that it is going to really kill the small demo studio market. Has anyone checked out the "real tracks" Band in a box? The samples I heard were actually better then most people do in their well equipped home studios and certainly more then most $300 demos offer. I keep running across things that kill the value of recording studios and musicianship which of course kills creative new music and the value of the finished product. I'm pretty sure that a musician will soon again be the low totem on the poll again like we were a few centuries ago. I bugged out a few years back when I had a residual check so small I couldn't buy a burger with it. I've been a part time and for fun music guy since but I feel like the art of music is near gone. What are the deep in debt studios doing to stay afloat these days and is there anything that can be done to bring back this dying industry? BiaB has been a heavy hitter in its own way for a long time. When I was regularly recording other folks, instead of fearing it, I used it to help them get their ideas together, to assemble backing bands for them to play along with, and so forth. +1. I didn't use anything from it for finished recordings, but it was much easier for many folks to play along with the faux ensemble than to try to sync with a click track. It's also a really handy way for a writer/composer to outline arranngements. Yep. I still run into writers who need a lot of help with arranging - they just don't know it. It's just another tool. These days the job is about skills and ideas. One can take advantage of many fine tools for little money, and let one's skills differentiate oneself from the rest of the crowd. Or not. -- Les Cargill |
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Another value knock down on studios
geoff wrote:
Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote: This might be old news to a lot of you but there is a dorky little program that has really become quite good. The problem with it is that it is going to really kill the small demo studio market. Has anyone checked out the "real tracks" Band in a box? The samples I heard were actually better then most people do in their well equipped home studios and certainly more then most $300 demos offer. I keep running across things that kill the value of recording studios and musicianship which of course kills creative new music and the value of the finished product. I'm pretty sure that a musician will soon again be the low totem on the poll again like we were a few centuries ago. I bugged out a few years back when I had a residual check so small I couldn't buy a burger with it. I've been a part time and for fun music guy since but I feel like the art of music is near gone. What are the deep in debt studios doing to stay afloat these days and is there anything that can be done to bring back this dying industry? BIAB has been around for decade(s) and has yet to kill of real musicians. I'm sure it is getting better and better though. geoff "Real" musicians stand to benefit most from BiaB. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpqXcV9DYAc http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShai...withDougHarman |
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On Apr 29, 1:48*am, (hank alrich) wrote:
geoff wrote: Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote: This might be old news to a lot of you but there is a dorky little program that has really become quite good. The problem with it is that it is going to really kill the small demo studio market. Has anyone checked out the "real tracks" Band in a box? The samples I heard were actually better then most people do in their well equipped home studios and certainly more then most $300 demos offer. I keep running across things that kill the value of recording studios and musicianship which of course kills creative new music and the value of the finished product. I'm pretty sure that a musician will soon again be the low totem on the poll again like we were a few centuries ago. I bugged out a few years back when I had a residual check so small I couldn't buy a burger with it. I've been a part time and for fun music guy since but I feel like the art of music is near gone. What are the deep in debt studios doing to stay afloat these days and is there anything that can be done to bring back this dying industry? BIAB has been around for decade(s) and has yet to kill of real musicians. I'm sure it is getting better and better though. geoff "Real" musicians stand to benefit most from BiaB. When the local up and coming guys that would otherwise have taken local demo sessions lose out to a software program, I think those real musicians lose. But, I'd love to hear your take on how "real" musicians benefit. |
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Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote:
On Apr 29, 1:48 am, (hank alrich) wrote: geoff wrote: Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote: This might be old news to a lot of you but there is a dorky little program that has really become quite good. The problem with it is that it is going to really kill the small demo studio market. Has anyone checked out the "real tracks" Band in a box? The samples I heard were actually better then most people do in their well equipped home studios and certainly more then most $300 demos offer. I keep running across things that kill the value of recording studios and musicianship which of course kills creative new music and the value of the finished product. I'm pretty sure that a musician will soon again be the low totem on the poll again like we were a few centuries ago. I bugged out a few years back when I had a residual check so small I couldn't buy a burger with it. I've been a part time and for fun music guy since but I feel like the art of music is near gone. What are the deep in debt studios doing to stay afloat these days and is there anything that can be done to bring back this dying industry? BIAB has been around for decade(s) and has yet to kill of real musicians. I'm sure it is getting better and better though. geoff "Real" musicians stand to benefit most from BiaB. When the local up and coming guys that would otherwise have taken local demo sessions lose out to a software program, I think those real musicians lose. But, I'd love to hear your take on how "real" musicians benefit. I write a song. I live next to the middle of nowhere. I hit BiaB and lay out my idea pronto. Shortly I have a cogent arrangement that I can carry in my head to share with pickers. I don't have to deal with local "up and coing guys". I don't have to spend the time it'd take me to get them on my channel. I don't have time to puposely get together with my good picking pals hereabouts. We get together when we can, but this ain't a city. A bunch of **** that used to happen is over now. That's the way it's always been. The dinosaurs are mostly gone. Mammals took over, sort of. Adapt or go extinct. Mammals will face that soon, too. If they blow it, back to bacteria and stuff like that. A new version of Final Cut Pro is about to hit. It has been rewritten hugely. V. 1 shocked the world of video editing. The new version, according to a friend who makea his living editing long form video, will offer a greatly improved workflow, while dropping the price of almost a grand to two hundred bucks. I asekd him if he felt threatened by this. He replied that he'd been dealing with the democratization of his world for a long time, and that it wasn't about the hammer. It was about the carpenter. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpqXcV9DYAc http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShai...withDougHarman |
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On Apr 29, 9:01*pm, (hank alrich) wrote:
Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote: On Apr 29, 1:48 am, (hank alrich) wrote: geoff wrote: Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote: This might be old news to a lot of you but there is a dorky little program that has really become quite good. The problem with it is that it is going to really kill the small demo studio market. Has anyone checked out the "real tracks" Band in a box? The samples I heard were actually better then most people do in their well equipped home studios and certainly more then most $300 demos offer. I keep running across things that kill the value of recording studios and musicianship which of course kills creative new music and the value of the finished product. I'm pretty sure that a musician will soon again be the low totem on the poll again like we were a few centuries ago. I bugged out a few years back when I had a residual check so small I couldn't buy a burger with it. I've been a part time and for fun music guy since but I feel like the art of music is near gone. What are the deep in debt studios doing to stay afloat these days and is there anything that can be done to bring back this dying industry? BIAB has been around for decade(s) and has yet to kill of real musicians. I'm sure it is getting better and better though. geoff "Real" musicians stand to benefit most from BiaB. When the local up and coming guys that would otherwise have taken local demo sessions lose out to a software program, I think those real musicians lose. But, I'd love to hear your take on how "real" musicians benefit. I write a song. I live next to the middle of nowhere. I hit BiaB and lay out my idea pronto. Shortly I have a cogent arrangement that I can carry in my head to share with pickers. I don't have to deal with local "up and coing guys". *I don't have to spend the time it'd take me to get them on my channel. I don't have time to puposely get together with my good picking pals hereabouts. We get together when we can, but this ain't a city. A bunch of **** that used to happen is over now. That's the way it's always been. The dinosaurs are mostly gone. Mammals took over, sort of. Adapt or go extinct. Mammals will face that soon, too. If they blow it, back to bacteria and stuff like that. A new version of Final Cut Pro is about to hit. It has been rewritten hugely. V. 1 shocked the world of video editing. The new version, according to a friend who makea his living editing long form video, will offer a greatly improved workflow, while dropping the price of almost a grand to two hundred bucks. I asekd him if he felt threatened by this. He replied that he'd been dealing with the democratization of his world for a long time, and that it wasn't about the hammer. It was about the carpenter. -- shut up and play your guitar *http://hankalrich.com/http://www.you...withDougHarman Right - You agree with me, that it will wipe out some musicians but don't think that is a bad thing. You are certainly entitled to that thought and in some ways you're on spot with how I feel about many of the musicians I meet too. I see biab and some of these other things as subtracting from the value of music and musicianship because. The end user will except low end recordings as good enough so you know biab will be on the radio in no time. The narcissistic musician might tell himself that there will always be a market for good music but the realist sees the market as diluted and shrinking. There is no substitute for competition but there is no cure for lack of market. Biab takes no skin off of my back and biab can only help me to do what I do, same as you. The thing is, I'm thinking more universal then just myself. I'm not hurting for next months rent or a new guitar with all 6 strings. I'm thinking of art down the line. I'm thinking about the quality of music 20 years from now when this sort of tech has killed of the middle levels of music and no one cares to hear good music anymore. I know that somewhere around 1983, those keyboards came out with memory and various auto play modes and within a few years, no new piano players were being born. I hardly practice anymore and people think I'm great these days because my fingers actually work on both hands. Midi came out and most horn players and string players lost their jobs overnight. Biab is the same thing for the small studio owner. I'm not avoiding the future and I like the toys. I don't think you can stop development nor would I want to. My statement about biab is that it is actually, truly amazing but there are going to be repercussions in music that are going to be very negative to the art from. As a supporter of music, I do suggest we all promote anyone with any talent whenever we can. |
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Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote:
I see biab and some of these other things as subtracting from the value of music and musicianship because. The end user will except low end recordings as good enough so you know biab will be on the radio in no time. Danny, BiaB has been around for over a decade. It's a superb study and learning and practice tool. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpqXcV9DYAc http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShai...withDougHarman |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
On 4/30/2011 1:09 AM, Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote: Right - You agree with me, that it [Band In a Box] will wipe out some musicians but don't think that is a bad thing. No, I don't think that Hand believes that it will wipe out musicians. It will save him from spending time with musicians who aren't good enough, or aren't easily enough accessible, for him to work with while in the songwriting and arranging process. Well, I think the original message Danny made was saying this was going to kill the demo studio market. And.... the honest truth is.... Band In a Box has been out for about ten years now. And, consequently or not, I haven't seen a demo studio for about ten years now. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Apr 30, 3:02*am, (hank alrich) wrote:
Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote: I see biab and some of these other things as subtracting from the value of music and musicianship because. The end user will except low end recordings as good enough so you know biab will be on the radio in no time. Danny, BiaB has been around for over a decade. It's a superb study and learning and practice tool. -- shut up and play your guitar *http://hankalrich.com/http://www.you...withDougHarman Hank, I know it has been around a long time. I think I had a copy back in about 98 or so and I know it is good for many things. My point is that it is SO good now that it will put small studios and starting session players out of business. |
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Me, too. How often do you go to a club or concert? Point taken on all of what you said. I still think that it is the up and coming guys that will miss that middle level training. I don't know many guys that jumped up to being great studio guys overnight. It takes time and a lot of work. If you don't have the work to support that middle level of guys then they do something else for a living. As for going to clubs and concerts, I do it all the time. That is what Lafayette LA is all about. In fact, I started my own venue using a church fellowship hall and sponsor acoustic musicians playing unplugged and make sure they are well promoted and well compensated. We make nothing for ourselves at all. Every penny goes towards the musician. We bring in local non profit organizations to help us promote and they grovel for dollars too but the tickets sales of $10 and any sales of merch are 100% for the artist. We've usually put money out of our own pockets if the tickets don't bring in at least $300. That really sounded boastful but it wasn't meant to be. Its more of a heart felt thing for me and the few that help me out. As for the working model, I think more churches should do this sort of thing. It helps put the church on the map to those that had no idea it was there, helps the artist and its fun. BTW, I didn't realize I was logging onto your bbs all those years back. I'm feeling old. |
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On Apr 30, 9:43*am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote: On 4/30/2011 1:09 AM, Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote: Right - You agree with me, that it [Band In a Box] will wipe out some musicians but don't think that is a bad thing. No, I don't think that Hand believes that it will wipe out musicians. It will save him from spending time with musicians who aren't good enough, or aren't easily enough accessible, for him to work with while in the songwriting and arranging process. Well, I think the original message Danny made was saying this was going to kill the demo studio market. And.... the honest truth is.... Band In a Box has been out for about ten years now. *And, consequently or not, I haven't seen a demo studio for about ten years now. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." Thank you for the validation. |
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On 4/30/2011 10:43 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
And.... the honest truth is.... Band In a Box has been out for about ten years now. And, consequently or not, I haven't seen a demo studio for about ten years now. Actually, BIAB has been out for closer to 20 years, and every musician's home studio is a demo studio. The good ones take outside clients, but usually only advertise locally if at all. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and interesting audio stuff |
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On 4/30/2011 11:59 AM, Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote:
Hank, I know it has been around a long time. I think I had a copy back in about 98 or so and I know it is good for many things. My point is that it is SO good now that it will put small studios and starting session players out of business. There are so many things that are putting commercial (small) studios and musicians-for-hire out of business. The two biggest contributors are home recording equipment and people who are happy buying (or freeloading) home-made and home-recorded music. It's not all crap, but there's so much crap that there's little incentive for anyone wanting to to produce musical product to pay for better quality than what he can do for himself at home. The upside is that some of those home musicians might use Band in a Box to good advantage and at least keep Peter Gannon in business a little longer. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and interesting audio stuff |
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On 4/30/2011 12:10 PM, Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote:
I still think that it is the up and coming guys that will miss that middle level training. Most of them will, but they'll only come so far and then they'll set music aside and get a day job. They won't jump from up-and-coming to star. If you don't have the work to support that middle level of guys then they do something else for a living. Nearly all of what I think you mean by "middle level" guys do something else for a living. Some get back to music later in life, or after they retire. As for going to clubs and concerts, I do it all the time. That is what Lafayette LA is all about. Well, you happen to live in a community that's very proud of its musical heritage and is very supportive of it. It's also not a high cost-of-living area so it doesn't cost $45 to go to a club or $100 to go to a concert. By the way, I moved and re-installed the sound system for the Liberty Theater in Eunice when they renovated it in 1990 or thereabouts. I started my own venue using a church fellowship hall and sponsor acoustic musicians playing unplugged and make sure they are well promoted and well compensated. We make nothing for ourselves at all. Every penny goes towards the musician. That's nice. There are coffee houses in the DC area where I live that do that sort of thing but there aren't as many gigs as there are musicians. I think more churches should do this sort of thing. It helps put the church on the map to those that had no idea it was there, helps the artist and its fun. Churches can do that sort of thing because they have lots of volunteers, non-profit status, and often a pretty good income. What you're saying, though, is that without some non-profit organization backing the venue, there isn't enough money to support the music. And that's the way it is all over. BTW, I didn't realize I was logging onto your bbs all those years back. I'm feeling old. I AM old. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and interesting audio stuff |
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Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote:
On Apr 30, 3:02 am, (hank alrich) wrote: Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote: I see biab and some of these other things as subtracting from the value of music and musicianship because. The end user will except low end recordings as good enough so you know biab will be on the radio in no time. Danny, BiaB has been around for over a decade. It's a superb study and learning and practice tool. Hank, I know it has been around a long time. I think I had a copy back in about 98 or so and I know it is good for many things. My point is that it is SO good now that it will put small studios and starting session players out of business. Nowadays everybody has a small studio right at home, and nearly everyone is a starting session player. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpqXcV9DYAc http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShai...withDougHarman |
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Another value knock down on studios
Scott Dorsey wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote: On 4/30/2011 1:09 AM, Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote: Right - You agree with me, that it [Band In a Box] will wipe out some musicians but don't think that is a bad thing. No, I don't think that Hand believes that it will wipe out musicians. It will save him from spending time with musicians who aren't good enough, or aren't easily enough accessible, for him to work with while in the songwriting and arranging process. Well, I think the original message Danny made was saying this was going to kill the demo studio market. And.... the honest truth is.... Band In a Box has been out for about ten years now. And, consequently or not, I haven't seen a demo studio for about ten years now. --scott Yeah, but it ain't becasue of BiaB, IMO, it's because for the cost of a coffee pot and a toaster anybody can have a studio at their own house. That's where demo work is happening, mostly, and in fact, where a whole lot of product is beign recorded. Quality of material, performance, and production is all over the map, but I've heard some fine work that folks did at home. Of course, we've all heard drivel that was done in a good studio. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpqXcV9DYAc http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShai...withDougHarman |
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Another value knock down on studios
Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~ wrote:
Me, too. How often do you go to a club or concert? Point taken on all of what you said. I still think that it is the up and coming guys that will miss that middle level training. I don't know many guys that jumped up to being great studio guys overnight. It takes time and a lot of work. If you don't have the work to support that middle level of guys then they do something else for a living. Today more than in the past there is much more availalbe in the way fo formal training. Hell, I know kids coming out of high school who are chops, taste, and studio saavy way beyond that of the previous generation of mid-level pros. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpqXcV9DYAc http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShai...withDougHarman |
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Another value knock down on studios
Les Cargill put forth the notion in...news:ipi3n6
: hank alrich wrote: Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) wrote: Me, too. How often do you go to a club or concert? Point taken on all of what you said. I still think that it is the up and coming guys that will miss that middle level training. I don't know many guys that jumped up to being great studio guys overnight. It takes time and a lot of work. If you don't have the work to support that middle level of guys then they do something else for a living. Today more than in the past there is much more availalbe in the way fo formal training. Hell, I know kids coming out of high school who are chops, taste, and studio saavy way beyond that of the previous generation of mid-level pros. There are some folks who show up on videos from NTSU ( Denton, Tx) who are just about jaw-dropping. But they' ve probably been in a lab band setting since Jr. high - and no telling what before that. -- Les Cargill That's a great school - my nephew is finishing a master's program there. He's really phenomenal on pipe organ. He's been in a few of their online video performances as well. david |
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Another value knock down on studios
hank alrich wrote:
Danny ~~_/) ~~_/) ~~_/) wrote: Me, too. How often do you go to a club or concert? Point taken on all of what you said. I still think that it is the up and coming guys that will miss that middle level training. I don't know many guys that jumped up to being great studio guys overnight. It takes time and a lot of work. If you don't have the work to support that middle level of guys then they do something else for a living. Today more than in the past there is much more availalbe in the way fo formal training. Hell, I know kids coming out of high school who are chops, taste, and studio saavy way beyond that of the previous generation of mid-level pros. There are some folks who show up on videos from NTSU ( Denton, Tx) who are just about jaw-dropping. But they' ve probably been in a lab band setting since Jr. high - and no telling what before that. -- Les Cargill |
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Another value knock down on studios
Scott Dorsey wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote: The thing about Garage Band is that it comes free with every Mac (and iPhone, too? I dunno) so anyone can play around with it and at least get a start at making their song listenable. BIAB isn't very expensive, but songwriters have to eat, too. Not anymore. You have to pay for iLife now. Not very much, though. --scott You can buy it separately if it didn't come with the machine, but Apple's site this morning shows it shipping installed on the lowliest MacBook. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpqXcV9DYAc http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShai...withDougHarman |
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Another value knock down on studios
Reading the 1969 Playboy interview with McLuhan has severely altered my thinking about what is happening. I never paid much attention to "the medium is the message" or " the global village", but I think I'm starting to catch on. I'm impressed! You actually *read* playboy ;-) |
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