On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:27:53 GMT, (Chevdo) wrote:

Actually, he tends not to respond to the idiotic stuff.

So I doubt that he's going to respond to this.

Right, he just includes and endorses idiotic fraudulent stuff in his magazine.

And apparently all you do is sit in your easy chair and bitch and moan
in a fairly idiotic fashion. He looks better and better by comparison
with every one of your posts.

On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:01:58 GMT, SSJVCmag
wrote:

On 9/17/05 10:35 AM, in article ,
"dave weil" wrote:

Who cares?

Dave.. 'who cares" is truly the pojnt... I know you have a clue about this
sort of thing so could you please do The Right Thing (like several others)
and just drop the crosspost on this
newly-resplattered-by-elevator-fart-impressed-dork-fostered mess so that
remaining "what? Who cares?" news groups can have this crap vanish and let
it be left only where it wants to be (RAO being my guess) but it's
impossible to tell... Everybody just trim all of the crosspost addresses off
except your fav... thanks

Maybe when you take your own advice...

Uncle Troll said:

I always urge people to spend as much as they can afford on speakers,
because they are the most important part of any system.

The implication here is that spending more on speakers will make your system
sound better.

No, Normy, it's not. In this case duh-Mikey is absolutely right (although
he'd be hard-pressed to explain the real point).

For most people, the speakers (and the room) ARE the system. The
electronics are just slaves to the speakers. The best electronics are the
ones that bring out the best performance the speakers are capable of, not
the ones that have the best measurements.

Another way to understand this simple point is that great speakers with
poor electronics might sound only pretty good, but great electronics with
poor speakers will most likely sound dreadful. I know you never hear any
differences among amps, preamps, or source players, but even you must be
able to hear some differences among loudspeakers.

Hello Eddie,

EddieM wrote:

You seems to be saying then that when the differences among the components
you wish to upgrade are subtle, then the dbt may not be a viable test to use
in detecting differences between those units. I thought all along that dbt is
use to detect subtle sound differences.

sorry if I gave that impression, may be my English isn't good enough,
but this isn't what I meant. I think that DBTs are the only reliable
way to verify audio differences, and among DBTs I think that the ABX
DBT is the most sensitive audio test available.

In the past on this NG, and on many other forums, some doubt have been
arised about the sensitivity of DBTs. I think that most concerns don't
hold considering the available evidence, but even supposing that those
concerns are true DBT results still teach something useful. There are
components that so far no one has been able to prove as audibily
different under DBT conditions, and there are
other components, notably speakers, that are quite easy to prove as
audibly different under the same exact conditions.

Considering that the same exact components that are so easy on the DBTs
are also really different under the most common measurement conditions,
I'm quite confident that those are the components introducing the
biggest inaccuracies in the reproduction chain. So IMHO to improve the
reproduction accuracy most of the efforts should be placed first on
those components, 'cause those components are the best candidate to
provide the biggest improvement. In other words, why should I bother
about cables, whoose effect is at least questionable, when there are
the microphones, the speakers, and the room that introduce such evident
and unquestioned inaccuracies in the reproduction chain?

With regards to your confidence about DBT above, what do you think, in your
opinion, does the "test" or the "proctor" or the "methodology" ...etc. do in
proving beyond doubt (to you) that the components involve, indeed, sound
alike 'cause, as it show, each time test comparisons were made, they sound
the same.

AFAIK some positive results have beed reported also on this NG (Was it
RAHE instead? Sorry, I don't remember.) BTW, I really don't care.
Speakers DBTs are most of the times so easy that usually they aren't
even performed at all. At least building some loudspeakers capable of
passing a DBT test with a negative result is something that scares
almost any competent speaker designer, and I really don't know if it is
possible at all. The effects of the room usually are even bigger than
those of the speakers, and I know of no people that is questioning
this.

So I will start worrying about the supposed side effects of DBTs,
provided that there really are side effects, and also about the best
way of doing DBT, when designing a speaker capable of passing a DBT
with a negative result will be as easy as building some cable capable
of passing a DBT results, and the room effects will be reduced to a
comparable magnitude. I suspect this isn't going to happen anytime
soon.

Bye,

Denis Sbragion

On 9/17/05 12:53 PM, in article ,
"dave weil" wrote:

On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:01:58 GMT, SSJVCmag
wrote:

On 9/17/05 10:35 AM, in article ,
"dave weil" wrote:

Who cares?

Dave.. 'who cares" is truly the pojnt... I know you have a clue about this
sort of thing so could you please do The Right Thing (like several others)
and just drop the crosspost on this
newly-resplattered-by-elevator-fart-impressed-dork-fostered mess so that
remaining "what? Who cares?" news groups can have this crap vanish and let
it be left only where it wants to be (RAO being my guess) but it's
impossible to tell... Everybody just trim all of the crosspost addresses off
except your fav... thanks

Maybe when you take your own advice...

Ahhh Dave, so smart, so hip, so... Well, It takes a tough man to actually
ADD crossposts when politely asked to cut 'em down. You really rock, dude...
Just can't tell ya how much. Get yourself a life and maybe you can get past
this stuff in your head. Farting in elevators wasn't even funny for most of
us WHEN we were 10, we hardly KEPT it as a Personality Choice, but try...
Really, keep trying, you CAN get past this.
Just don't give up. We're pullin' for ya.

My own advice was that we can all help cut down on this crosspost
dunderheadedness but It'd be ALMOST as rude as the original prank to just
wipe em all off, not knowing which NG actually might WANT this thread, so
asking all to just speak up and/or remove their own does it quick, polite
and considerately. For folks like you that's not really Job One so I guess
the rest of you, just look to this poor guy as a reverse role model. There's
a lesson to be learned from everyone.

Thanks.

On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 18:17:11 GMT, SSJVCmag
wrote:

On 9/17/05 12:53 PM, in article ,
"dave weil" wrote:

On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:01:58 GMT, SSJVCmag
wrote:

On 9/17/05 10:35 AM, in article ,
"dave weil" wrote:

Who cares?

Dave.. 'who cares" is truly the pojnt... I know you have a clue about this
sort of thing so could you please do The Right Thing (like several others)
and just drop the crosspost on this
newly-resplattered-by-elevator-fart-impressed-dork-fostered mess so that
remaining "what? Who cares?" news groups can have this crap vanish and let
it be left only where it wants to be (RAO being my guess) but it's
impossible to tell... Everybody just trim all of the crosspost addresses off
except your fav... thanks

Maybe when you take your own advice...

Ahhh Dave, so smart, so hip, so... Well, It takes a tough man to actually
ADD crossposts when politely asked to cut 'em down.

I didn't ADD any crossposts, I just continued YOURS.

You really rock, dude...

But not as much as you, it seems.

Just can't tell ya how much. Get yourself a life and maybe you can get past
this stuff in your head.

Hey, it's YOU who seems to have something stuck in his head - so much
that you flood newsgroups with your holier-than-thou posts. I just
hope that it isn't a ticking time bomb.

Farting in elevators wasn't even funny for most of
us WHEN we were 10, we hardly KEPT it as a Personality Choice, but try...
Really, keep trying, you CAN get past this.
Just don't give up. We're pullin' for ya.

My own advice was that we can all help cut down on this crosspost
dunderheadedness but It'd be ALMOST as rude as the original prank to just
wipe em all off, not knowing which NG actually might WANT this thread, so
asking all to just speak up and/or remove their own does it quick, polite
and considerately. For folks like you that's not really Job One

Certainly "Job One" for me isn't eliminating crossposts, that's for
sure. Why it is for you is a personal issue for you, but until you
take your own advice, you're no better than the orginating poster.

so I guess
the rest of you, just look to this poor guy as a reverse role model. There's
a lesson to be learned from everyone.

Except that you yourself are flooding 3 newsgroups with your snide
posts. It's just as annoying to OTHERS to see your multiple no-content
posts clogging up newsgroups several times a day.

Just ask yourself this - how much support have you gotten for your
windmill-tilting? Zero.

And now, I'll bid you adieu and hope that your demons don't consume
you.

SSJVCmag said:

snip

Dude, you're only making things worse.
No one is complaining about crossposting but you.
No one is sending the same message hundreds of times, while
deceptively snipping the group from where he's posting but you.

PS. I added your precious little NG so as to get this message through
to you and your buddies, who are probably unaware of the fact that
you're polluting other NGs with your stupid drivel.

As some usenet icon (Lord Valve) uses to say: "No likee, no clickee!"

Think about it, it's a refreshing thought.

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

In article ,
says...

On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:27:53 GMT, (Chevdo) wrote:

Actually, he tends not to respond to the idiotic stuff.

So I doubt that he's going to respond to this.

Right, he just includes and endorses idiotic fraudulent stuff in his
magazine.

And apparently all you do is sit in your easy chair and bitch and moan
in a fairly idiotic fashion. He looks better and better by comparison
with every one of your posts.

hey if making money off fraudulent ads is so important to Atkinson, why doesn't
he pick up the $1million offered by Randi for demonstrating the shakti stones?
Bitch and moan? No, I'm pointing, sneering, and ridiculing a fool, and
apparently also his lickspittle side-kick fraud-facillitator 'dave', too.

In article ,
cmndr[underscore]george[at]comcast[dot]net says...



Chevdo said:

Right, he just includes and endorses idiotic fraudulent stuff in his
magazine.

Ooh! I'll bet that makes you so darned mad!



You wish. It makes me laugh at losers like you who obviously still buy the
rag. You probably even have a subscription because being a 'stereophile' is
part of your 'interesting personality'.

Chevdoborg whined:

Right, he just includes and endorses idiotic fraudulent stuff in his magazine.

Ooh! I'll bet that makes you so darned mad!

You wish.

I know.

It makes me laugh

You're not laughing, 'borg. You're screeching in pain. I can tell by the
purple color of your pimply face.

On 9/17/05 3:12 PM, in article ,
"Sander deWaal" wrote:

SSJVCmag said:

snip

Dude, you're only making things worse.
No one is complaining about crossposting but you.
No one is sending the same message hundreds of times, while
deceptively snipping the group from where he's posting but you.

PS. I added your precious little NG so as to get this message through
to you and your buddies, who are probably unaware of the fact that
you're polluting other NGs with your stupid drivel.

As some usenet icon (Lord Valve) uses to say: "No likee, no clickee!"

Think about it, it's a refreshing thought.

Refreshing is the thought: what's so hard about the folks that ORIGINATED
the crosspost mess FIXING it?
A simple polite request fosters THIS sort of crap... Says much.
Get over it kids. The chip on the little shoulder there just hasn;t been
trendy since like you were 6...

Just fix the crossposts (BTW, just to help you keep it straight, that means
REMOVE some, not ADD some), a polution as you like to call it that came from
somewhere out your way in the first place, and things are peachy! Dump your
vitriol on the wizard that STARTED this, not me...
It's really -Not- rocket science kids!

And because I KNOW you're totally hung up on it: here it is:
Your turn for the last word...

And thanks, as always!

"SSJVCmag" wrote..

Dave.. 'who cares" is truly the pojnt... I know you have a clue about this
sort of thing so could you please do The Right Thing (like several others)
and just drop the crosspost on this
newly-resplattered-by-elevator-fart-impressed-dork-fostered mess so that
remaining "what? Who cares?" news groups can have this crap vanish and let
it be left only where it wants to be (RAO being my guess) but it's
impossible to tell... Everybody just trim all of the crosspost addresses
off
except your fav... thanks


ooops.... SSjcv - you forgot to remove your group!

On 9/17/05 6:49 PM, in article , "surf"
wrote:

"SSJVCmag" wrote..

Dave.. 'who cares" is truly the pojnt... I know you have a clue about this
sort of thing so could you please do The Right Thing (like several others)
and just drop the crosspost on this
newly-resplattered-by-elevator-fart-impressed-dork-fostered mess so that
remaining "what? Who cares?" news groups can have this crap vanish and let
it be left only where it wants to be (RAO being my guess) but it's
impossible to tell... Everybody just trim all of the crosspost addresses
off
except your fav... thanks


ooops.... SSjcv - you forgot to remove your group!

Thanks!
You guys are GREAT!

Again, I don't know how this got misdirected out of where it should've gone.
Funny how the internet hiccups sometimes... And the same message showed up
under all these different thread headers, odd.


On 9/17/05 8:06 PM, in article , "Richard
Crowley" wrote:

So is there any way to kill ALL the threads discussing Mr.
Atkinson, all at once? Dunno how anyone could have enough
interest to even *read* all this stuff, much less add to it!

"SSJVCmag" wrote in message
...
On 9/17/05 9:03 AM, in article
, "John Atkinson"
wrote:


Whereever these questions lie on the line between "idiotic" and
"sarcastic,"

John, sarcastic, idiotic, whatever, it's a waste of time outside of it's
singular NG home and I know you have a clue about this sort of thing so
could you please do The Right Thing (like several others) and just drop
the
crosspost on this
newly-resplattered-by-elevator-fart-impressed-dork-fostered mess so that
remaining "what? Who cares?" news groups can have this crap vanish and let
it be left only where it wants to be (RAO being my guess) but it's
impossible to tell... Everybody just trim all of the crosspost addresses
off
except your fav... Thanks


Stop crossposting yourself, asshole

"SSJVCmag" wrote in message
...
On 9/17/05 10:35 AM, in article
,
"dave weil" wrote:

Who cares?

Dave.. 'who cares" is truly the pojnt... I know you have a clue about this
sort of thing so could you please do The Right Thing (like several others)
and just drop the crosspost on this
newly-resplattered-by-elevator-fart-impressed-dork-fostered mess so that
remaining "what? Who cares?" news groups can have this crap vanish and let
it be left only where it wants to be (RAO being my guess) but it's
impossible to tell... Everybody just trim all of the crosspost addresses
off
except your fav... thanks


Stop it yourself, ASSHOLE

"SSJVCmag" wrote in message
...
On 9/17/05 11:27 AM, in article ZBWWe.255002$tt5.90321@edtnps90, "Chevdo"
wrote:

Right, he just includes and endorses idiotic fraudulent stuff

Chevdo, fraudulent and idiotic pretty much fit this sort of crosspost
nonsense... I know you have a clue about this sort of thing so could you
please do The Right Thing (like several others) and just drop the
crosspost
on this newly-resplattered-by-elevator-fart-impressed-dork-fostered mess
so
that remaining "what? Who cares?" news groups can have this crap vanish
and
let it be left only where it wants to be (RAO being my guess) but it's
impossible to tell... Everybody just trim all of the crosspost addresses
off
except your fav... Thanks


MOMMY, MOMMY, he crossposted. BWAAAAH

"SSJVCmag" wrote in message
...
On 9/17/05 11:27 AM, in article ZBWWe.255002$tt5.90321@edtnps90, "Chevdo"
wrote:

Right, he just includes and endorses idiotic fraudulent stuff

Chevdo, fraudulent and idiotic pretty much fit this sort of crosspost
nonsense... I know you have a clue about this sort of thing so could you
please do The Right Thing (like several others) and just drop the
crosspost
on this newly-resplattered-by-elevator-fart-impressed-dork-fostered mess
so
that remaining "what? Who cares?" news groups can have this crap vanish
and
let it be left only where it wants to be (RAO being my guess) but it's
impossible to tell... Everybody just trim all of the crosspost addresses
off
except your fav... Thanks


MOMMY, MOMMY, HE CROSSPOSTED,,bwaahhhhh!

"SSJVCmag" wrote in message
...
On 9/17/05 12:53 PM, in article
,
"dave weil" wrote:

On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:01:58 GMT, SSJVCmag
wrote:

On 9/17/05 10:35 AM, in article
,
"dave weil" wrote:

Who cares?

Dave.. 'who cares" is truly the pojnt... I know you have a clue about
this
sort of thing so could you please do The Right Thing (like several
others)
and just drop the crosspost on this
newly-resplattered-by-elevator-fart-impressed-dork-fostered mess so that
remaining "what? Who cares?" news groups can have this crap vanish and
let
it be left only where it wants to be (RAO being my guess) but it's
impossible to tell... Everybody just trim all of the crosspost addresses
off
except your fav... thanks

Maybe when you take your own advice...

Ahhh Dave, so smart, so hip, so... Well, It takes a tough man to actually
ADD crossposts when politely asked to cut 'em down. You really rock,
dude...
Just can't tell ya how much. Get yourself a life and maybe you can get
past
this stuff in your head. Farting in elevators wasn't even funny for most
of
us WHEN we were 10, we hardly KEPT it as a Personality Choice, but try...
Really, keep trying, you CAN get past this.
Just don't give up. We're pullin' for ya.

My own advice was that we can all help cut down on this crosspost
dunderheadedness but It'd be ALMOST as rude as the original prank to just
wipe em all off, not knowing which NG actually might WANT this thread, so
asking all to just speak up and/or remove their own does it quick, polite
and considerately. For folks like you that's not really Job One so I guess
the rest of you, just look to this poor guy as a reverse role model.
There's
a lesson to be learned from everyone.

Thanks.


When will YOU learn the lesson.
You can't get us to stop crossposting
when you yourself are crossposting.
YOU ARE AN IDIOT

"SSJVCmag" wrote in message
...
On 9/17/05 3:12 PM, in article ,
"Sander deWaal" wrote:

SSJVCmag said:

snip

Dude, you're only making things worse.
No one is complaining about crossposting but you.
No one is sending the same message hundreds of times, while
deceptively snipping the group from where he's posting but you.

PS. I added your precious little NG so as to get this message through
to you and your buddies, who are probably unaware of the fact that
you're polluting other NGs with your stupid drivel.

As some usenet icon (Lord Valve) uses to say: "No likee, no clickee!"

Think about it, it's a refreshing thought.

Refreshing is the thought: what's so hard about the folks that ORIGINATED
the crosspost mess FIXING it?
A simple polite request fosters THIS sort of crap... Says much.
Get over it kids. The chip on the little shoulder there just hasn;t been
trendy since like you were 6...

Just fix the crossposts (BTW, just to help you keep it straight, that
means
REMOVE some, not ADD some), a polution as you like to call it that came
from
somewhere out your way in the first place, and things are peachy! Dump
your
vitriol on the wizard that STARTED this, not me...
It's really -Not- rocket science kids!

And because I KNOW you're totally hung up on it: here it is:
Your turn for the last word...

And thanks, as always!


You are a stupid, ARROGANT asshole

"SSJVCmag" wrote in message
...
On 9/17/05 6:49 PM, in article , "surf"
wrote:

"SSJVCmag" wrote..

Dave.. 'who cares" is truly the pojnt... I know you have a clue about
this
sort of thing so could you please do The Right Thing (like several
others)
and just drop the crosspost on this
newly-resplattered-by-elevator-fart-impressed-dork-fostered mess so that
remaining "what? Who cares?" news groups can have this crap vanish and
let
it be left only where it wants to be (RAO being my guess) but it's
impossible to tell... Everybody just trim all of the crosspost addresses
off
except your fav... thanks


ooops.... SSjcv - you forgot to remove your group!

Thanks!
You guys are GREAT!


**** YOU, SSJVC

On 9/17/05 11:01 PM, in article , "Clyde
Slick" wrote:

Stop crossposting yourself, asshole

Ok Slick. If this is where you hang, deal with it.
If not, the folks here can handle this internally by smiling and ignoring
and thus KILLING the problem.
Polite requests to stifle someone-else's pudding-brained forced initial
crosspost are best met with simply CHECKING (to see that you're not
inadvertantly allowing them to use you as a crosspost-continuer, splattering
your single-NG interest responses all over hell and back where indeed nobody
cares) and then ERASING any further annoyance beyond your immediate NG. Most
folks get it. They look, smile, erase all the extra crosspostings and move
on. Some though, like you, -ADD- crossposts where none are. Enjoy. Just
don't be surprised down the road.
Enjoy... All the rest of you Nicer folks- sorry abut the hoseheads.

Separate messages crossposted at
11:00
11:01
11:02
11:03
11:06
11:09
11:10

Such effort and trouble to force words where they're not wanted.
Somebody PLEASE tell Clyde he really doesn't have to email 4 newsgroups
every 60 sec or so, it's easier to just make sure he's only sending
responses to the one newsgroup that the thread started in.
With any luck this will ease it out of existance.

The rest of you: thanks for trimming the crossposts!

Denis Sbragion wrote
Hello Eddie,

EddieM wrote:

You seems to be saying then that when the differences among the components
you wish to upgrade are subtle, then the dbt may not be a viable test to
use
in detecting differences between those units. I thought all along that dbt
is
use to detect subtle sound differences.

sorry if I gave that impression, may be my English isn't good enough,
but this isn't what I meant. I think that DBTs are the only reliable
way to verify audio differences, and among DBTs I think that the ABX
DBT is the most sensitive audio test available.

In the past on this NG, and on many other forums, some doubt have been
arised about the sensitivity of DBTs. I think that most concerns don't
hold considering the available evidence, but even supposing that those
concerns are true DBT results still teach something useful. There are
components that so far no one has been able to prove as audibily
different under DBT conditions, and there are
other components, notably speakers, that are quite easy to prove as
audibly different under the same exact conditions.

Considering that the same exact components that are so easy on the DBTs
are also really different under the most common measurement conditions,
I'm quite confident that those are the components introducing the
biggest inaccuracies in the reproduction chain. So IMHO to improve the
reproduction accuracy most of the efforts should be placed first on
those components, 'cause those components are the best candidate to
provide the biggest improvement. In other words, why should I bother
about cables, whoose effect is at least questionable, when there are
the microphones, the speakers, and the room that introduce such evident
and unquestioned inaccuracies in the reproduction chain?

With regards to your confidence about DBT above, what do you think, in your
opinion, does the "test" or the "proctor" or the "methodology" ...etc. do
in
proving beyond doubt (to you) that the components involve, indeed, sound
alike 'cause, as it show, each time test comparisons were made, they sound
the same.

AFAIK some positive results have beed reported also on this NG (Was it
RAHE instead? Sorry, I don't remember.) BTW, I really don't care.
Speakers DBTs are most of the times so easy that usually they aren't
even performed at all. At least building some loudspeakers capable of
passing a DBT test with a negative result is something that scares
almost any competent speaker designer, and I really don't know if it is
possible at all. The effects of the room usually are even bigger than
those of the speakers, and I know of no people that is questioning
this.

So I will start worrying about the supposed side effects of DBTs,
provided that there really are side effects, and also about the best
way of doing DBT, when designing a speaker capable of passing a DBT
with a negative result will be as easy as building some cable capable
of passing a DBT results, and the room effects will be reduced to a
comparable magnitude. I suspect this isn't going to happen anytime
soon.

Bye,

Denis Sbragion


Thanks Denis, thank you for your kind reply. There are obvious key issues
I find disagreeable in your statements above concerning dbt. I suppose it's
better to just leave it to that.

(Chevododo) wrote:



hey if making money off fraudulent ads is so important to Atkinson, why
doesn't
he pick up the $1million offered by Randi for demonstrating the shakti
stones?
Bitch and moan? No, I'm pointing, sneering, and ridiculing a fool, and
apparently also his lickspittle side-kick fraud-facillitator 'dave', too.



Just what in the world is your gripe Chevedovoododo? If someone tried
the Shakti Stone tweak, found it to work in their system and decide to
pay for it, what is it to you?

How does someone defraud someone of that, Chevodingdong ?

"Sander deWaal" wrote in message
...
"Clyde Slick" said:


If he'd written instead that painting a car red made it
go faster than before, you wouldn't find anything wrong about
that either?


But that's true.

Ever seen a green Ferrari? :-)


only in my rear view mirror.


**grin**

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005


No doubt you was also headed in the other direction at the time.

SSJVCmag said:

On 9/17/05 3:12 PM, in article ,
"Sander deWaal" wrote:

SSJVCmag said:

snip

Dude, you're only making things worse.
No one is complaining about crossposting but you.
No one is sending the same message hundreds of times, while
deceptively snipping the group from where he's posting but you.

PS. I added your precious little NG so as to get this message through
to you and your buddies, who are probably unaware of the fact that
you're polluting other NGs with your stupid drivel.

As some usenet icon (Lord Valve) uses to say: "No likee, no clickee!"

Think about it, it's a refreshing thought.

Refreshing is the thought: what's so hard about the folks that ORIGINATED
the crosspost mess FIXING it?
A simple polite request fosters THIS sort of crap... Says much.
Get over it kids. The chip on the little shoulder there just hasn;t been
trendy since like you were 6...

Just fix the crossposts (BTW, just to help you keep it straight, that means
REMOVE some, not ADD some), a polution as you like to call it that came from
somewhere out your way in the first place, and things are peachy! Dump your
vitriol on the wizard that STARTED this, not me...
It's really -Not- rocket science kids!

And because I KNOW you're totally hung up on it: here it is:
Your turn for the last word...

And thanks, as always!

Dude, you're only making things worse.
No one is complaining about crossposting but you.
No one is sending the same message hundreds of times, while
deceptively snipping the group from where he's posting but you.

PS. I added your precious little NG so as to get this message through
to you and your buddies, who are probably unaware of the fact that
you're polluting other NGs with your stupid drivel.

As some usenet icon (Lord Valve) uses to say: "No likee, no clickee!"

When you stop, the crossposting will stop. Simple, really.

Think about it, it's a refreshing thought.

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

SSJVCmag said:

On 9/17/05 6:49 PM, in article , "surf"
wrote:

"SSJVCmag" wrote..

Dave.. 'who cares" is truly the pojnt... I know you have a clue about this
sort of thing so could you please do The Right Thing (like several others)
and just drop the crosspost on this
newly-resplattered-by-elevator-fart-impressed-dork-fostered mess so that
remaining "what? Who cares?" news groups can have this crap vanish and let
it be left only where it wants to be (RAO being my guess) but it's
impossible to tell... Everybody just trim all of the crosspost addresses
off
except your fav... thanks


ooops.... SSjcv - you forgot to remove your group!

Thanks!
You guys are GREAT!

Dude, you're only making things worse.
No one is complaining about crossposting but you.
No one is sending the same message hundreds of times, while
deceptively snipping the group from where he's posting but you.

PS. I added your precious little NG so as to get this message through
to you and your buddies, who are probably unaware of the fact that
you're polluting other NGs with your stupid drivel.

As some usenet icon (Lord Valve) uses to say: "No likee, no clickee!"

When you stop, the crossposting will stop. Simple, really.

Think about it, it's a refreshing thought.

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

"Clyde Slick" said:


"SSJVCmag" wrote in message
.. .
On 9/17/05 9:03 AM, in article
, "John Atkinson"
wrote:


Whereever these questions lie on the line between "idiotic" and
"sarcastic,"

John, sarcastic, idiotic, whatever, it's a waste of time outside of it's
singular NG home and I know you have a clue about this sort of thing so
could you please do The Right Thing (like several others) and just drop
the
crosspost on this
newly-resplattered-by-elevator-fart-impressed-dork-fostered mess so that
remaining "what? Who cares?" news groups can have this crap vanish and let
it be left only where it wants to be (RAO being my guess) but it's
impossible to tell... Everybody just trim all of the crosspost addresses
off
except your fav... Thanks


Stop crossposting yourself, asshole

Dude, you're only making things worse.
No one is complaining about crossposting but you.
No one is sending the same message hundreds of times, while
deceptively snipping the group from where he's posting but you.

PS. I added your precious little NG so as to get this message through
to you and your buddies, who are probably unaware of the fact that
you're polluting other NGs with your stupid drivel.

As some usenet icon (Lord Valve) uses to say: "No likee, no clickee!"

When you stop, the crossposting will stop. Simple, really.

Think about it, it's a refreshing thought.


--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

Clyde Slick wrote:
"SSJVCmag" wrote in message
and posted to 3 other groups

...
On 9/17/05 7:53 AM, in article ,
"William
Sommerwerck" wrote:

Atkinson won't respond to this topic. He is a coward,
as most dishonest people are.

Actually, he tends not to respond to the idiotic stuff.
So I doubt that he's going to respond to this.

Actually, I would call the preceding (snipped) remarks sarcastic, not
idiotic.

Bill, I know you have a clue about this sort of thing so could you please
do
The Right Thing (like several others) and just drop the crosspost on this
newly-resplattered-by-elevator-fart-impressed-dork-fostered mess so that
remaining "what? Who cares?" news groups can have this crap vanish and let
it be left only where it wants to be (RAO being my guess) but it's
impossible to tell... Everybody just trim all of the crosspost addresses
off
except your fav... thanks


Yes, Do the right thing, you asshole moron.
Stop YOUR crossposting to groups that have
ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST IN YOU.

STOP CROSSPOSTING!!!!!!!

Clyde Slick wrote:
"SSJVCmag" wrote in message
...
On 9/17/05 10:35 AM, in article
,
"dave weil" wrote:

Who cares?

Dave.. 'who cares" is truly the pojnt... I know you have a clue about this
sort of thing so could you please do The Right Thing (like several others)
and just drop the crosspost on this
newly-resplattered-by-elevator-fart-impressed-dork-fostered mess so that
remaining "what? Who cares?" news groups can have this crap vanish and let
it be left only where it wants to be (RAO being my guess) but it's
impossible to tell... Everybody just trim all of the crosspost addresses
off
except your fav... thanks



STOP CROSSPOSTING!!!!!!!
Stop it yourself, ASSHOLE

Clyde Slick wrote:
"SSJVCmag" wrote in message
...
On 9/17/05 11:27 AM, in article ZBWWe.255002$tt5.90321@edtnps90, "Chevdo"
wrote:

Right, he just includes and endorses idiotic fraudulent stuff

Chevdo, fraudulent and idiotic pretty much fit this sort of crosspost
nonsense... I know you have a clue about this sort of thing so could you
please do The Right Thing (like several others) and just drop the
crosspost
on this newly-resplattered-by-elevator-fart-impressed-dork-fostered mess
so
that remaining "what? Who cares?" news groups can have this crap vanish
and
let it be left only where it wants to be (RAO being my guess) but it's
impossible to tell... Everybody just trim all of the crosspost addresses
off
except your fav... Thanks


MOMMY, MOMMY, HE CROSSPOSTED,,bwaahhhhh!


STOP CROSSPOSTING!!!!!!

Clyde Slick wrote:
"SSJVCmag" wrote in message
...
On 9/17/05 12:53 PM, in article
,
"dave weil" wrote:

On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:01:58 GMT, SSJVCmag
wrote:

On 9/17/05 10:35 AM, in article
,
"dave weil" wrote:

Who cares?

Dave.. 'who cares" is truly the pojnt... I know you have a clue about
this
sort of thing so could you please do The Right Thing (like several
others)
and just drop the crosspost on this
newly-resplattered-by-elevator-fart-impressed-dork-fostered mess so that
remaining "what? Who cares?" news groups can have this crap vanish and
let
it be left only where it wants to be (RAO being my guess) but it's
impossible to tell... Everybody just trim all of the crosspost addresses
off
except your fav... thanks

Maybe when you take your own advice...

Ahhh Dave, so smart, so hip, so... Well, It takes a tough man to actually
ADD crossposts when politely asked to cut 'em down. You really rock,
dude...
Just can't tell ya how much. Get yourself a life and maybe you can get
past
this stuff in your head. Farting in elevators wasn't even funny for most
of
us WHEN we were 10, we hardly KEPT it as a Personality Choice, but try...
Really, keep trying, you CAN get past this.
Just don't give up. We're pullin' for ya.

My own advice was that we can all help cut down on this crosspost
dunderheadedness but It'd be ALMOST as rude as the original prank to just
wipe em all off, not knowing which NG actually might WANT this thread, so
asking all to just speak up and/or remove their own does it quick, polite
and considerately. For folks like you that's not really Job One so I guess
the rest of you, just look to this poor guy as a reverse role model.
There's
a lesson to be learned from everyone.

Thanks.


When will YOU learn the lesson.
You can't get us to stop crossposting
when you yourself are crossposting.
YOU ARE AN IDIOT


STOP CROSSPOSTING!!!!!

Clyde Slick wrote:
"SSJVCmag" wrote in message
...
On 9/17/05 3:12 PM, in article ,
"Sander deWaal" wrote:

SSJVCmag said:

snip

Dude, you're only making things worse.
No one is complaining about crossposting but you.
No one is sending the same message hundreds of times, while
deceptively snipping the group from where he's posting but you.

PS. I added your precious little NG so as to get this message through
to you and your buddies, who are probably unaware of the fact that
you're polluting other NGs with your stupid drivel.

As some usenet icon (Lord Valve) uses to say: "No likee, no clickee!"

Think about it, it's a refreshing thought.

Refreshing is the thought: what's so hard about the folks that ORIGINATED
the crosspost mess FIXING it?
A simple polite request fosters THIS sort of crap... Says much.
Get over it kids. The chip on the little shoulder there just hasn;t been
trendy since like you were 6...

Just fix the crossposts (BTW, just to help you keep it straight, that
means
REMOVE some, not ADD some), a polution as you like to call it that came
from
somewhere out your way in the first place, and things are peachy! Dump
your
vitriol on the wizard that STARTED this, not me...
It's really -Not- rocket science kids!

And because I KNOW you're totally hung up on it: here it is:
Your turn for the last word...

And thanks, as always!


You are a stupid, ARROGANT asshole



STOP CROSSPOSTING!!!!!

Clyde Slick wrote:
"SSJVCmag" wrote in message
...
On 9/17/05 6:49 PM, in article , "surf"
wrote:

"SSJVCmag" wrote..

Dave.. 'who cares" is truly the pojnt... I know you have a clue about
this
sort of thing so could you please do The Right Thing (like several
others)
and just drop the crosspost on this
newly-resplattered-by-elevator-fart-impressed-dork-fostered mess so that
remaining "what? Who cares?" news groups can have this crap vanish and
let
it be left only where it wants to be (RAO being my guess) but it's
impossible to tell... Everybody just trim all of the crosspost addresses
off
except your fav... thanks


ooops.... SSjcv - you forgot to remove your group!

Thanks!
You guys are GREAT!


**** YOU, SSJVC

**** YOU!!! AND **** YOUR MOTHER!!! STOP CROSSPOSTING!!!!!

"EddieM" wrote in message

(Chevododo) wrote:



hey if making money off fraudulent ads is so important
to Atkinson, why doesn't
he pick up the $1million offered by Randi for
demonstrating the shakti stones?
Bitch and moan? No, I'm pointing, sneering, and
ridiculing a fool, and apparently also his lickspittle
side-kick fraud-facillitator 'dave', too.



Just what in the world is your gripe Chevedovoododo? If
someone tried the Shakti Stone tweak, found it to work in
their system and decide to pay for it, what is it to you?

It all hangs on what the word "work" means. Copper bracelets
are said to work for some arthritus sufferers.

If you're willing to accept that level of the meaning of the
word "work", then you are willing to accept *anything* as
working. IOW, you have no judgement.

I'm not going respond in detail to Mr. Weil. He (as far as I know) has had
no relations with JA, has never attended a Stereophile Writer's Conference,
etc, etc, etc. His blind support of JA seems more to because he dislikes me.
His willingness to post a response, but not to hear the details of my story,
shows this. Because JA is wealthy, "successful,," and holds an important
position at an influential magazine, his point of view must necessarily be
true, and opposing points of view false or misguided.

What is undebatable is the change that occurred in Stereophile in the
editorial shift from JGH to JA. What had been a magazine that told readers
what they needed to know became one that told them what they wanted to hear.
The belief in "high fidelity" was gradually discarded (as it has at most,
but not all, other magazines) and replaced with a rainbow of opinions.

The Web page damning his editorial actions almost perfectly mirrors my
feelings about these matters. Most of my friends are intellectually honest.
John Atkinson is neither a friend nor intellectually honest.

Most of the people criticizing my views are dull, lacking wit or insight,
the sort of people Dr. Edwin H. Land described in this way: "There are many
scientists who, for all their marvelous training, are just plain dull. You
sit with them and nothing is happening. They have been stultified somehow
and the world is going by them."

One other point, and I shall let this rest, unless you insist on arguing
what is not debatable. Remeber Star Trek's "Squire of Gothos" episode? Spock
faces Trelaine and delivers one of the great lines in the history of TV: "I
object to you. I object to intellect without discipline. I object to power
without contstructive purpose."

I object to John Atkinson's lack of intellectual discipline. I object to
Stereophile's failure to use its power for any constructive purpose.


"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 06:30:50 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote:

In the time I knew John Atkinson, I found it impossible to have
any kind of intelligent discussion about anything with him. His
points of view are fixed, and he is unwilling to consider any
other point of view.

Why? I don't know. It might be intellectual arrogance.

I guess you are never going to forgive me for firing you as a
Stereophile reviewer, are you Bill?

Liar, liar, liar.

I quit, for a number of reasons. (My disappointment with JA as editor was
one of them, but not the most-significant.) Then, after the fracas over
reviewing ethics, * you removed me from the Contributing Editors list
(where
I would otherwise have remained indefinitely, even after I stopped
contributing). You did not fire me (unless you consider the removal a
"firing"), however much you would like to think you did.

Sounds like a firing to me. Because, if you had "quit", wouldn't you
have demanded that your name be removed at that time?

You still refuse to address the issue of why you refuse to have serious
conversations with people.

Hmmm, sounds like there are a bunch of issues that you have with the
man. Nothing wrong with holding a grudge I guess, but thiis is a weak
sort of indictment, since it *sounds* like a factual charge, but
really, when you look closely, it's just somebody who doesn't like
somebody else saying something pretty subjective about that somebody.

* In attempting to be honest with the readers, I publically broke a rule
that John Atkinson privately encouraged all the reviewers to break, and
which is still commonly broken. I'll supply details, if anyone is
interested.

I, for one, am not.

During the last Stereophile Writer's Conference I attended, the
question came up of why the Apogee Divas, which had gotten rave
reviews from Arnis Balgalvis, and which most of the rest of us
thought very highly of, had never appeared in Recommended
Components. His reply? "I don't like them."

That would be a damning indictment if it were true, Bill. Except
that it's _not_ true. Following its review in August 1988 by Arnie,
the Diva _was_ featured in "Recommended Components." See,
for example, the April 1989 issue of Stereophile, Vol.12 No.4, p.99,
where it heads the list of Class A loudspeakers.

Then why I do remember it so well? (Yes, yes, yes...) Any other
Stereophile
reviewers out there who were at the meeting?

It's not true BECAUSE the speakers actually made the list. I can see
someone making a sarcastic comment like that though - and someone who
already had a axe to grind taking it as a literal statement though.

By the way, an audio tape was made of the meeting. Does it still exist?

Who cares? The speaker was promptly put on the list, so the behavior
that you claim was either a joke *or* irrelevant.

William Sommerwerck wrote:
I object to John Atkinson's lack of intellectual discipline.
I object to Stereophile's failure to use its power for any
constructive purpose.

Both in your _opinion_, Bill, and I have no objection to you
holding such opinions and expressing them. Why should I?

What I object to is your spreading of falsehoods about things
I am supposed to have done and your dissemination of false rumors
about, for example, my purported lack of academic qualifications.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

"William Sommerwerck" said:

What is undebatable is the change that occurred in Stereophile in the
editorial shift from JGH to JA. What had been a magazine that told readers
what they needed to know became one that told them what they wanted to hear.
The belief in "high fidelity" was gradually discarded (as it has at most,
but not all, other magazines) and replaced with a rainbow of opinions.


At the risk of being flamed to death (Hi, SSJVCmag!), part of why this
happened may well be the relative "perfect" state that music
reproduction reached as far back as the eighties.
(I'm still listening to my '80s Maggies and they still sound good, my
amplifier design could have been from that period as well, and it
still sounds good).

After all, when there's little to gain in the technical department,
there's little to write about.

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

William Sommerdork said:

His willingness to post a response, but not to hear the details of my story,
shows this. Because JA is wealthy, "successful,," and holds an important
position at an influential magazine, his point of view must necessarily be
true, and opposing points of view false or misguided.

You are a veritable volcano of self-pity.