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Kevin Aylward wrote:
Les Cargill wrote: snip If so, please inform them that they can acheive fame and fortune by formalizing this process and offering it up for peer review at the AES. It'd be like developing a software model for spectrographic data that could predict how good a wine was. You just don't understood the point being made. The technical electronic design issues of tone controls, compressors, reverb units, amplifiers, are all well understood and a done deal. If that were true, there'd be nothing to discuss. There's not, um, nothing to discuss. There's one heck of a lot of badly, badly broken stuff out there, some of it insanely expensive. snip "Beware bugs in the above code. I have only proven it correct, I haven't tested it" - Knuth. FWIW, I know some engineers like that. By and large, they all are. No sir. Not all. My caste makes a living cleaning up after 'em. With 1000's of engineers, your work shovelling **** must be well cut out for you. Quite. Kevin Aylward http://www.anasoft.co.uk SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture, Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design. -- Les Cargill |
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Kevin Aylward wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote: snip There are folks out there who actually still care about quality. "Worked most of the time" automatically includes quality. "Works all the time" is a start. Kevin Aylward http://www.anasoft.co.uk SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture, Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design. -- Les Cargill |
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On Fri, 13 May 2005 02:13:33 GMT, Les Cargill
wrote: "Worked most of the time" automatically includes quality. "Works all the time" is a start. And works in surprising conditions, after being mistreated, on a bad day with a headwind, is really only a small second step. "Professional" is a word much abused. But, like the Supreme's decision on pornography, you'll know it when you see it. Chris Hornbeck |
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On Fri, 13 May 2005 02:11:22 GMT, Les Cargill
wrote: With 1000's of engineers, your work shovelling **** must be well cut out for you. Quite. Perhaps it's gratifying to be the ****ter, rather than the ****ee. Would take a certain mindset, I guess, and a certain attitude. Chris Hornbeck |
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"Les Cargill" wrote in message... Kevin Aylward wrote: Scott Dorsey wrote: There are folks out there who actually still care about quality. "Worked most of the time" automatically includes quality. "Works all the time" is a start. I say, you handled that rather well, young man. ;-) |
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David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
"Les Cargill" wrote in message... Kevin Aylward wrote: Scott Dorsey wrote: There are folks out there who actually still care about quality. "Worked most of the time" automatically includes quality. "Works all the time" is a start. I say, you handled that rather well, young man. ;-) If only I were so young. Thankee sai. It's like these people think they can leverege against mortality with accounts. See also "Dickens, Charles". Nope. You leave the stains you leave. Better be careful about 'em. FWIW, I cleaned three (3) toilets tonight. And I reserve the right to remain confsed. -- Les Cargill |
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Most of us can practise 24 hours a day, and we will still never be a 1/10 as good as Stanley Jordan. Why make it any harder than necessary to achieve that lofty goal if we don't have to? I recognise my limitations, and takes appropriate steps to minimize them. Ah, so you took the easy way out. Yes indeed. As do we all. Its programmed in all of us by milions of years of evolution. http://www.anasoft.co.uk/replicators/index.html Kevin Aylward http://www.anasoft.co.uk SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture, Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design. |
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Les Cargill wrote:
Kevin Aylward wrote: Les Cargill wrote: snip If so, please inform them that they can acheive fame and fortune by formalizing this process and offering it up for peer review at the AES. It'd be like developing a software model for spectrographic data that could predict how good a wine was. You just don't understood the point being made. The technical electronic design issues of tone controls, compressors, reverb units, amplifiers, are all well understood and a done deal. If that were true, there'd be nothing to discuss. One discusses how to optimally implement equipment constrained by such issues with regard to design time, product cost, size etc. This can have engineers endlessly blathering at design reviews. Kevin Aylward http://www.anasoft.co.uk SuperSpice, a very affordable Mixed-Mode Windows Simulator with Schematic Capture, Waveform Display, FFT's and Filter Design. |
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Kevin Aylward wrote:
One discusses how to optimally implement equipment constrained by such issues with regard to design time, product cost, size etc. This can have engineers endlessly blathering at design reviews. Inded - but that's the designers, and depending on what markets they are designing for they make different balances especially of cost vs. performance. On top of that, some get it more right than others, and in some cases the engineers' conclusions get overruled by management, marketing and other departments... The discussions here are from the customers/users point of view, looking at the end product of all the above, sometimes with a very different view of what's wanted. -- Anahata -+- http://www.treewind.co.uk Home: 01638 720444 Mob: 07976 263827 |
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"Kevin Aylward" wrote in message Ah, so you took the easy way out. Yes indeed. As do we all. Its programmed in all of us by milions of years of evolution. Only by flakes. geoff |
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Charles Krug wrote:
On Thu, 12 May 2005 11:42:54 -0700, Jay Kadis wrote: In article , "Kevin Aylward" wrote: "Worked most of the time" automatically includes quality. Does that apply to your pacemaker, too? Medical equipment is designed to a completely different standard than consumer or even "professional" audio gear. What is the consequence and company exposure if a microphone fails? The SR guy has a heart attack! ;-) |
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? What is the consequence and company exposure if an MRI system collapses? If it applies too much radiation? If a pacemaker fails in use? As long as we are talking engineering, lets get it right... an MRI machine does not use any nuclear radiation. They used to be called NMR machines for nuclear magnetic resonance, but no one would get in one with that name. MRI or NMR machines use magnetic fields, not nuclear radiation. Mark |
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"Mark" wrote in message oups.com... ? What is the consequence and company exposure if an MRI system collapses? If it applies too much radiation? If a pacemaker fails in use? As long as we are talking engineering, lets get it right... an MRI machine does not use any nuclear radiation. I believe that the most well-known case of radiation injury due to equipment failure involved an electron-beam generator: http://www.ccnr.org/fatal_dose.html They used to be called NMR machines for nuclear magnetic resonance, but no one would get in one with that name. MRI or NMR machines use magnetic fields, not nuclear radiation. Agreed. |
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yes it was a software bug if I recall
Mark |
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That might be somewhat true, but no one should have the illusion that a
different species of humans works on medical equipment, designs or builds it, or administers it. In a rare instance, medical doctors in Israel once went on strike. The death rate, during the strike, declined. This was not explainable due to postponed surgeries or deferred treatments. http://www.silentbetrayal.com/news/doctorstrike.htm The "completely different standard" may be largely an illusion. But I'll bet they pay dearly for it. Charles Krug wrote: Medical equipment is designed to a completely different standard than consumer or even "professional" audio gear. What is the consequence and company exposure if a microphone fails? What is the consequence and company exposure if an MRI system collapses? If it applies too much radiation? If a pacemaker fails in use? All of that extra testing and verifying costs money, which is reflected in the relative cost of the equipment in question. |
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