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Study shows downloading helps cd sales
But the Progress Clause wasn't written to *guarantee* profits, only to
restrict *competition* for the available profits. So instead of your copy band doing their own recording of Free Bird you want to be able to put the Skynyrd version on "your" album? --------------------------------------- "I know enough to know I don't know enough" |
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EggHd wrote:
Sure, so a one-time, 20 year copyright, after which all music passes into the public domain. I could handle that. Why? What is your reasoning behind this? Are you saying that the recording and the writing and publishing rights go into public domian after 20 years? What about bands and artists like Bowie, Elevis Costello whos waited all those years for their masters to revert back to hem. You want to take that away from them? Weird. He's gotta get his material from somewhere, and it'd cost less if it didn't need licesning. -- ha |
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It doesn't. You're simply not listening, so it's no surprise that you
misunderstand. Your problem is you confuse understood with agreeing with you. Return to flexing for your disciples and I'll pursue intelligent discourse elsewhere. Disciples? Is this how you deal with the tantrum of people not agreeing with you? --------------------------------------- "I know enough to know I don't know enough" |
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"EggHd" wrote in message
... No and also you don't NEED music to live. You don't need to buy dark side of the moon every month. This comparison doesn't work for me. It doesn't have to work for you. The underlying theory is that ideas cannot be owned. The reason patent terms have been kept short and copyright terms have been allowed to get longer is because the potential for abuse has different consequences. Abusing a long patent term could mean the death of thousands, while abuse of long copyright term just means that products developed using that copyright are artifically expensive and innovation is slower. That doesn't negate the underlying theory, however, just because no one will die directly because of a long copyright term. So if a fictional band Booger, still gets 250K or more per year from their catalog that is controlled by a major conglom and their aftra health insure has always been paid by said conglom even though it has changed hand 5 times in the last 30 years it should just be cut off? Again, the deal they signed with their label is their business, not mine. Maybe they could write a new album and get another 20 years of support from the label. You gian what exaclty? I gain a stronger public domain, which benefits us all. Either stop thinking of music copyright as it's own entity, entirely separate from the rest of copyright law, or start lobbying for a separate kind of copyright to be set up for music only. Changes made for the music industry affect all other industries that use copyrights, and in the past 25 years, those changes have been for the worse, not the better, from the public's perspective. And that is who these laws exist to serve. ryanm |
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Again, the deal they signed with their label is their business, not
mine. It looks as if you are trying to make it yours. If said band has re negotiated a couple of time, does that extend the copyright? You leave out so many factors...... --------------------------------------- "I know enough to know I don't know enough" |
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"ryanm" wrote:
"EggHd" wrote: How does a band owning their copyright hurt your competition? It doesn't. You're simply not listening, so it's no surprise that you misunderstand. I was encouraged because this conversation *almost* reached a level that could be considered intelligent discourse, but I guess I should've known better. It is usenet, after all. Return to flexing for your disciples and I'll pursue intelligent discourse elsewhere. Ryan, Look, let me make this very clear: First, I happen to like both you and EggHd, but when it comes to this stuff Ryan, you and I are "small fish in a little pond" compared to EggHd. He doesn't need "disciples" - but he does have a lot of people here who respect him for what he's done in this business, over a period of decades. I'd be thrilled to have just one or two of his credits. Yes, you have a lot of opinions, and there's some validity to your arguments, but if I want an assessment of what's going on in the "real world" of the music business, EggHd would be one of the first people I would turn to. Ryan, please don't turn this into a ****ing match with EggHd; you'll eventually lose. Even with my advanced years (and all my "supposed expertise"), when EggHd speaks, I listen. I may be 67, but I'm not stupid. Ryan, I know you aren't stupid either. Think about what doors you may be shutting. Harvey Gerst Indian Trail Recording Studio http://www.ITRstudio.com/ |
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First, I happen to like both you and EggHd
ere what's great about RAP. There are a lot of people with different backgrounds who post here. I look for Scot D and Mike R for help on many things I do not understand that they do. Hell, I email Scott and call Mike when I need info that is above my knowledge base. Harvey is the pope for many reasons. He has a varied background from designed speakers, to amps we all used, to songs, to running a studio and using gear we buy on his recommendation alone. I ask Jay Frigelleto for digital advice on a monthly basis. Scott Frasier uses methods and gear I don't. I want to know what he thinks of things. Ted Spencer. Roger Norman. Hank is always there for anyone. David Morgan. Will Milo. These are people who can give us all insight on how they get the job done. I am a lucky hard working stiff. I have been blessed to have had songs published and cut, engineer and produce some of my heros (and people I don't like). I have managed some pretty cool acts, done A&R and now have my own company that I have built a nice eclectic roster with. This is a great place to come and share ideas, not try and cram them down someone's throat. Notice Harvey says I have great credits. That doesn't mean I'm any good. I just means I have been around. --------------------------------------- "I know enough to know I don't know enough" |
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EggHd wrote:
Notice Harvey says I have great credits. Yeah, and he's right about that. That doesn't mean I'm any good. You're wrong about that. I just means I have been around. And then some, but the big picture is, you didn't get dizzy. -- ha |
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"ryanm" wrote in message ... The Supreme Court agreed to hear the Causbys' case. Congress had declared the airways public, but if one's property really extended to the heavens, then Congress's declaration could well have been an unconstitutional "taking" of property without compensation. The Court acknowledged that "it is ancient doctrine that common law ownership of the land extended to the periphery of the universe." But Justice Douglas had no patience for ancient doctrine. In a single paragraph, hundreds of years of property law were erased. As he wrote for the Court, '[The] doctrine has no place in the modern world. Does the right to earn a living with one's talents also have no place in the modern world? If someone's talent is as a songwriter why should that be different than that of a carpenter? A carpenter has the right to earn a living with his talents & abilities - if you're a carpenter do I have the right to keep you from your jobsite? Ryan, this is the same kind of issue - maybe technically it's not "STEEEEEEEELING" as you put it, but to say that is splitting hairs, anyway - the point is, it's preventing someone from earning their living. So let's go back to the carpenter analogy... you're a carpenter and I'm a 300-lb defensive lineman - you work five days a week, but all of a sudden every Tuesday & Thursday I show up at your jobsite & stand in your way so you can't get in. You move & I move with you, you try & run around me, but I'm too fast - you can't push me over, I'm too big, and the frustrating thing is you can't even have me arrested because I don't assault you in any way... I don't hit you, grab you, or anything like that, I just stay in your way no matter what you do. You're now losing 40% of your income. Ah, who gives a ****, you make enough money anyway, right? You can get by on 60% of your former income, can't you? And your kids? Well, the spoiled little *******s will just have to send themselves to college. Now, there's no law against 'standing in someone's way', but if this were to happen to you you'd probably be thinking: "maybe there oughta be". -- Neil Henderson Progressive Rock http://www.saqqararecords.com |
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