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Carts and arms vs. carts and phono stages
It isn't a matter of "versus", but a matter of electrical and
mechanical/resonance compatibility. No one ever really points out that most of the subjective blather in non-testing (non-measuring that is) comparisons is really useless because you have these variables lfoating around. And the vast majority of the high end sales and reviewers are not only wholly ignorant of the issue, and have no METHODOLOGY to deal with it, but DON'T KNOW, and DON'T CARE, that they are wholly ignorant. Clear and concise procedures are no where to be found. But if you suggest these same people are therefore not to be taken seriously,,,,oh boy do they get upset. |
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On Jun 1, 5:40*pm, Bret L wrote:
and have no METHODOLOGY *Clear and concise procedures are no where to be found. Go ahead. Post the "clear and concise" procedures and the METHODOLOGY. |
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On Jun 1, 8:12*pm, "Shhhh!!!! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote: On Jun 1, 5:40*pm, Bret L wrote: and have no METHODOLOGY *Clear and concise procedures are no where to be found. Go ahead. Post the "clear and concise" procedures and the METHODOLOGY. Like arms and cartridges, it's very easy to find a phono preamp from $600 to $1000 that will handle virtually every cartridge on the market. At this price point, go for the preamp that lets you make adjustments via knobs on the front vs. internal dip switches. |
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Carts and arms vs. carts and phono stages
On Jun 1, 8:12*pm, "Shhhh!!!! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote: On Jun 1, 5:40*pm, Bret L wrote: and have no METHODOLOGY *Clear and concise procedures are no where to be found. Go ahead. Post the "clear and concise" procedures and the METHODOLOGY. I actually don't have a methodology or a fixed procedure. But at least I KNOW I am lacking this important information (and seek to correct this deficiency) whereas the high enders both lack it and the knowledge that it is necessary. As for "any modern pre will work", yes, after a fashion it will. Permanently soldered components-the right ones once you know what they are-are an advantage over DIP or panel rotary, or even the relays used for remote controlled settings. That's why optimum results mean you have to be able to solder. Optimum, means the best possible. Consumerized solutions can approach but never achieve it since they have to accomodate all contingencies. |
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Carts and arms vs. carts and phono stages
On Jun 2, 4:06*pm, Bret L wrote:
On Jun 1, 8:12*pm, "Shhhh!!!! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote: On Jun 1, 5:40*pm, Bret L wrote: and have no METHODOLOGY *Clear and concise procedures are no where to be found. Go ahead. Post the "clear and concise" procedures and the METHODOLOGY. *I actually don't have a methodology or a fixed procedure. But at least I KNOW I am lacking this important information (and seek to correct this deficiency) *whereas the high enders both lack it and the knowledge that it is necessary. *As for "any modern pre will work", yes, after a fashion it will. *Permanently soldered components-the right ones once you know what they are-are an advantage over DIP or panel rotary, or even the relays used for remote controlled settings. That's why optimum results mean you have to be able to solder. Optimum, means the best possible. Consumerized solutions can approach but never achieve it since they have to accomodate all contingencies. And yet the best-sounding phono preamps tend to have all the user conveniences as well, so you can have your cake and eat it too. Your comments mirror the fact that the best speaker wire connections are ones that are hardwired inside the speakers. Too bad it can't be approved by UL. But if you DIYers want to set your houses on fire, go ahead. |
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On Jun 2, 8:01*pm, Boon wrote:
On Jun 2, 4:06*pm, Bret L wrote: On Jun 1, 8:12*pm, "Shhhh!!!! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote: On Jun 1, 5:40*pm, Bret L wrote: and have no METHODOLOGY *Clear and concise procedures are no where to be found. Go ahead. Post the "clear and concise" procedures and the METHODOLOGY.. *I actually don't have a methodology or a fixed procedure. But at least I KNOW I am lacking this important information (and seek to correct this deficiency) *whereas the high enders both lack it and the knowledge that it is necessary. *As for "any modern pre will work", yes, after a fashion it will. *Permanently soldered components-the right ones once you know what they are-are an advantage over DIP or panel rotary, or even the relays used for remote controlled settings. That's why optimum results mean you have to be able to solder. Optimum, means the best possible. Consumerized solutions can approach but never achieve it since they have to accomodate all contingencies. And yet the best-sounding phono preamps tend to have all the user conveniences as well, so you can have your cake and eat it too. Your comments mirror the fact that the best speaker wire connections are ones that are hardwired inside the speakers. Too bad it can't be approved by UL. But if you DIYers want to set your houses on fire, go ahead. UL approval applies to mains connections, not speaker connections. Even then UL approval is not required for consumer products in the US except under certain conditions. Many high end audio commercial products are not UL approved. EU countries require a different approval. |
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On Jun 3, 8:18*pm, Bret L wrote:
On Jun 2, 8:01*pm, Boon wrote: On Jun 2, 4:06*pm, Bret L wrote: On Jun 1, 8:12*pm, "Shhhh!!!! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote: On Jun 1, 5:40*pm, Bret L wrote: and have no METHODOLOGY *Clear and concise procedures are no where to be found. Go ahead. Post the "clear and concise" procedures and the METHODOLOGY. *I actually don't have a methodology or a fixed procedure. But at least I KNOW I am lacking this important information (and seek to correct this deficiency) *whereas the high enders both lack it and the knowledge that it is necessary. *As for "any modern pre will work", yes, after a fashion it will. *Permanently soldered components-the right ones once you know what they are-are an advantage over DIP or panel rotary, or even the relays used for remote controlled settings. That's why optimum results mean you have to be able to solder. Optimum, means the best possible. Consumerized solutions can approach but never achieve it since they have to accomodate all contingencies. And yet the best-sounding phono preamps tend to have all the user conveniences as well, so you can have your cake and eat it too. Your comments mirror the fact that the best speaker wire connections are ones that are hardwired inside the speakers. Too bad it can't be approved by UL. But if you DIYers want to set your houses on fire, go ahead. UL approval applies to mains connections, not speaker connections. *Even then UL approval is not required for consumer products in the US except under certain conditions. Many high end audio commercial products are not UL approved. *EU countries require a different approval. I've had three separate engineers tell me otherwise. Nice try. |
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Carts and arms vs. carts and phono stages
On Jun 2, 4:06*pm, Bret L wrote:
On Jun 1, 8:12*pm, "Shhhh!!!! I'm Listening to Reason!" wrote: On Jun 1, 5:40*pm, Bret L wrote: and have no METHODOLOGY *Clear and concise procedures are no where to be found. Go ahead. Post the "clear and concise" procedures and the METHODOLOGY. *I actually don't have a methodology or a fixed procedure. But at least I KNOW I am lacking this important information (and seek to correct this deficiency) *whereas the high enders both lack it and the knowledge that it is necessary. So you know you don't have what you're whning about and you don't have the knowledge to create one. Yup, that's one superior position you're in alright. |
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