[George M. Middius]

DonkeyBorg brayed:

Have you been approved to respond to my posts? I don't see you on the list.

Is that some variation on "don't ask me tricky questions I have no answer to" ?

No, you stupid donkey, it's a polite way of telling you to **** off. And
not because your idiotic questions are difficult, but because you're a
Krooger-loving troll and an total ****head.

I hope that's clear enough, but if not, I'll be glad to expand on it.



--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[[email protected]]

George M. Middius wrote:
DonkeyBorg brayed:

Have you been approved to respond to my posts? I don't see you on the list.

Is that some variation on "don't ask me tricky questions I have no answer to" ?

No, you stupid donkey, it's a polite way of telling you to **** off. And
not because your idiotic questions are difficult, but because you're a
Krooger-loving troll and an total ****head.

I hope that's clear enough, but if not, I'll be glad to expand on it.

Of course we could remind our new friend Graham here how his pal Arny
really buys turntables. You know, how he e-mailed me under another
name to ask my what I recommended, and when I told him to buy a Rega
Planar 3, or a Planar 2 with an RB250 arm at the very least, he went on
e-bay and purchased one of the oldest and cheapest P2s he could find,
with the crappy, mismatched Mayware arm, and then tried to tell
everyone I didn't know what I was talking about because it didn't sound
very good.

Is it possible that Graham thinks this is a better way to buy a 'table?
Or is he starting to realize that when you lie down with dogs,you get
****-smeared $1000 checks?

Boon
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Eeyore]

wrote:

George M. Middius wrote:
DonkeyBorg brayed:

Have you been approved to respond to my posts? I don't see you on the list.

Is that some variation on "don't ask me tricky questions I have no answer to" ?

No, you stupid donkey, it's a polite way of telling you to **** off. And
not because your idiotic questions are difficult, but because you're a
Krooger-loving troll and an total ****head.

I hope that's clear enough, but if not, I'll be glad to expand on it.

Of course we could remind our new friend Graham here how his pal Arny
really buys turntables. You know, how he e-mailed me under another
name to ask my what I recommended, and when I told him to buy a Rega
Planar 3, or a Planar 2 with an RB250 arm at the very least, he went on
e-bay and purchased one of the oldest and cheapest P2s he could find,
with the crappy, mismatched Mayware arm, and then tried to tell
everyone I didn't know what I was talking about because it didn't sound
very good.

Is it possible that Graham thinks this is a better way to buy a 'table?
Or is he starting to realize that when you lie down with dogs,you get
****-smeared $1000 checks?

Boon
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Eeyore]

wrote:

George M. Middius wrote:
DonkeyBorg brayed:

Have you been approved to respond to my posts? I don't see you on the list.

Is that some variation on "don't ask me tricky questions I have no answer to" ?

No, you stupid donkey, it's a polite way of telling you to **** off. And
not because your idiotic questions are difficult, but because you're a
Krooger-loving troll and an total ****head.

I hope that's clear enough, but if not, I'll be glad to expand on it.

Of course we could remind our new friend Graham here how his pal Arny
really buys turntables. You know, how he e-mailed me under another
name to ask my what I recommended, and when I told him to buy a Rega
Planar 3, or a Planar 2 with an RB250 arm at the very least, he went on
e-bay and purchased one of the oldest and cheapest P2s he could find,
with the crappy, mismatched Mayware arm, and then tried to tell
everyone I didn't know what I was talking about because it didn't sound
very good.

Is it possible that Graham thinks this is a better way to buy a 'table?

I wouldn't even remotely consider using one other than for entertainment purpose any
more.

Graham

[Arny Krueger]

wrote in message
oups.com...

Of course we could remind our new friend Graham here how his pal Arny
really buys turntables. You know, how he e-mailed me under another
name to ask my what I recommended, and when I told him to buy a Rega
Planar 3, or a Planar 2 with an RB250 arm at the very least,

True, but out of budget.

he went on e-bay and purchased one of the oldest and cheapest P2s he could
find,
with the crappy, mismatched Mayware arm,

True, and within budget.

and then tried to tell
everyone I didn't know what I was talking about because it didn't sound
very good.

Another one of Marc's paranoid delusions.

[[email protected]]

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

George M. Middius wrote:
DonkeyBorg brayed:

Have you been approved to respond to my posts? I don't see you on the list.

Is that some variation on "don't ask me tricky questions I have no answer to" ?

No, you stupid donkey, it's a polite way of telling you to **** off. And
not because your idiotic questions are difficult, but because you're a
Krooger-loving troll and an total ****head.

I hope that's clear enough, but if not, I'll be glad to expand on it.

Of course we could remind our new friend Graham here how his pal Arny
really buys turntables. You know, how he e-mailed me under another
name to ask my what I recommended, and when I told him to buy a Rega
Planar 3, or a Planar 2 with an RB250 arm at the very least, he went on
e-bay and purchased one of the oldest and cheapest P2s he could find,
with the crappy, mismatched Mayware arm, and then tried to tell
everyone I didn't know what I was talking about because it didn't sound
very good.

Is it possible that Graham thinks this is a better way to buy a 'table?

I wouldn't even remotely consider using one other than for entertainment purpose any
more.

Graham

Well, what would you use a music reproduction system for, other than
entertainment?

Boon

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

Of course we could remind our new friend Graham here how his pal Arny
really buys turntables. You know, how he e-mailed me under another
name to ask my what I recommended, and when I told him to buy a Rega
Planar 3, or a Planar 2 with an RB250 arm at the very least,

True, but out of budget.

he went on e-bay and purchased one of the oldest and cheapest P2s he could
find,
with the crappy, mismatched Mayware arm,

True, and within budget.

and then tried to tell
everyone I didn't know what I was talking about because it didn't sound
very good.

Another one of Marc's paranoid delusions.

In other words, the whole incident backfired on you, and you looked
like an idiot. But then again, that's the essence of the Marc and Arny
Story.

Boon

[George M. Middius]

Marc said to Poopie B'ar:

Is it possible that Graham thinks this is a better way to buy a 'table?

I wouldn't even remotely consider using one other than for entertainment purpose any
more.

Well, what would you use a music reproduction system for, other than
entertainment?

Poopie is a fevered follower of the maniacal Dr. Not, who preaches that
"audio is a deadly serious business".





--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Eeyore]

wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:
George M. Middius wrote:
DonkeyBorg brayed:

Have you been approved to respond to my posts? I don't see you on the list.

Is that some variation on "don't ask me tricky questions I have no answer to" ?

No, you stupid donkey, it's a polite way of telling you to **** off. And
not because your idiotic questions are difficult, but because you're a
Krooger-loving troll and an total ****head.

I hope that's clear enough, but if not, I'll be glad to expand on it.

Of course we could remind our new friend Graham here how his pal Arny
really buys turntables. You know, how he e-mailed me under another
name to ask my what I recommended, and when I told him to buy a Rega
Planar 3, or a Planar 2 with an RB250 arm at the very least, he went on
e-bay and purchased one of the oldest and cheapest P2s he could find,
with the crappy, mismatched Mayware arm, and then tried to tell
everyone I didn't know what I was talking about because it didn't sound
very good.

Is it possible that Graham thinks this is a better way to buy a 'table?

I wouldn't even remotely consider using one other than for entertainment purpose any
more.

Graham

Well, what would you use a music reproduction system for, other than
entertainment?

As in not listening seriously.

Who said you could reply to my posts anyway ?

Graham

[Eeyore]

"George M. Middius" wrote:

Marc said to Poopie B'ar:

Is it possible that Graham thinks this is a better way to buy a 'table?

I wouldn't even remotely consider using one other than for entertainment purpose any
more.

Well, what would you use a music reproduction system for, other than
entertainment?

Poopie is a fevered follower of the maniacal Dr. Not, who preaches that
"audio is a deadly serious business".

It's only serious when I'm making money from it.

Ok.... who here earns an income from audio ?

Graham

me of course - and........

[[email protected]]

Eeyore wrote:
"George M. Middius" wrote:

Marc said to Poopie B'ar:

Is it possible that Graham thinks this is a better way to buy a 'table?

I wouldn't even remotely consider using one other than for entertainment purpose any
more.

Well, what would you use a music reproduction system for, other than
entertainment?

Poopie is a fevered follower of the maniacal Dr. Not, who preaches that
"audio is a deadly serious business".

It's only serious when I'm making money from it.

Ok.... who here earns an income from audio ?

Graham

me of course - and........

Me.

Boon

[[email protected]]

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:
George M. Middius wrote:
DonkeyBorg brayed:

Have you been approved to respond to my posts? I don't see you on the list.

Is that some variation on "don't ask me tricky questions I have no answer to" ?

No, you stupid donkey, it's a polite way of telling you to **** off. And
not because your idiotic questions are difficult, but because you're a
Krooger-loving troll and an total ****head.

I hope that's clear enough, but if not, I'll be glad to expand on it.

Of course we could remind our new friend Graham here how his pal Arny
really buys turntables. You know, how he e-mailed me under another
name to ask my what I recommended, and when I told him to buy a Rega
Planar 3, or a Planar 2 with an RB250 arm at the very least, he went on
e-bay and purchased one of the oldest and cheapest P2s he could find,
with the crappy, mismatched Mayware arm, and then tried to tell
everyone I didn't know what I was talking about because it didn't sound
very good.

Is it possible that Graham thinks this is a better way to buy a 'table?

I wouldn't even remotely consider using one other than for entertainment purpose any
more.

Graham

Well, what would you use a music reproduction system for, other than
entertainment?

As in not listening seriously.

Who said you could reply to my posts anyway ?


You're right. As most Kroopologists, you're simply not smart enough to
have a conversation with me.

Boon

[Harry Lavo]

wrote in message
oups.com...

George M. Middius wrote:
DonkeyBorg brayed:

Have you been approved to respond to my posts? I don't see you on
the list.

Is that some variation on "don't ask me tricky questions I have no
answer to" ?

No, you stupid donkey, it's a polite way of telling you to **** off. And
not because your idiotic questions are difficult, but because you're a
Krooger-loving troll and an total ****head.

I hope that's clear enough, but if not, I'll be glad to expand on it.

Of course we could remind our new friend Graham here how his pal Arny
really buys turntables. You know, how he e-mailed me under another
name to ask my what I recommended, and when I told him to buy a Rega
Planar 3, or a Planar 2 with an RB250 arm at the very least, he went on
e-bay and purchased one of the oldest and cheapest P2s he could find,
with the crappy, mismatched Mayware arm, and then tried to tell
everyone I didn't know what I was talking about because it didn't sound
very good.

snip

Or when he bought the lowest priced SACD player available and then
proclaimed he couldn't hear any difference between SACD and CD, so those of
us who did hear a difference (on better players, and possibly with better
systems) were "wrong". Of course this was a year after he had already
reached that conclusion because in his mind theory = evidence.

[Jenn]

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:

"George M. Middius" wrote:

Marc said to Poopie B'ar:

Is it possible that Graham thinks this is a better way to buy a
'table?

I wouldn't even remotely consider using one other than for
entertainment purpose any
more.

Well, what would you use a music reproduction system for, other than
entertainment?

Poopie is a fevered follower of the maniacal Dr. Not, who preaches that
"audio is a deadly serious business".

It's only serious when I'm making money from it.

Ok.... who here earns an income from audio ?

Graham

me of course - and........

And who earns an income producing what the audio business exists to
reproduce? ;-)

[George M. Middius]

duh-Donkey dorked:

Ok.... who here earns an income from audio ?
me of course - and........

Even though your paid hackery is irrelevant to posting opinions about
consumer audio gear, I'll point out that Arnii Krooborg does NOT earn an
income from audio.




--

"Christians have to ... work to make the world as loving, just, and supportive as is possible."
A. Krooger, Aug. 2006

[Eeyore]

Jenn wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
"George M. Middius" wrote:

Marc said to Poopie B'ar:

Is it possible that Graham thinks this is a better way to buy a
'table?

I wouldn't even remotely consider using one other than for
entertainment purpose any
more.

Well, what would you use a music reproduction system for, other than
entertainment?

Poopie is a fevered follower of the maniacal Dr. Not, who preaches that
"audio is a deadly serious business".

It's only serious when I'm making money from it.

Ok.... who here earns an income from audio ?

Graham

me of course - and........

And who earns an income producing what the audio business exists to
reproduce? ;-)

It's very nice but strictly a different category.

Graham

[Jenn]

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:

Jenn wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
"George M. Middius" wrote:

Marc said to Poopie B'ar:

Is it possible that Graham thinks this is a better way to buy a
'table?

I wouldn't even remotely consider using one other than for
entertainment purpose any
more.

Well, what would you use a music reproduction system for, other than
entertainment?

Poopie is a fevered follower of the maniacal Dr. Not, who preaches that
"audio is a deadly serious business".

It's only serious when I'm making money from it.

Ok.... who here earns an income from audio ?

Graham

me of course - and........

And who earns an income producing what the audio business exists to
reproduce? ;-)

It's very nice but strictly a different category.

Graham

True, but you'd have a hard time without us. Spoken word and sound
effects CDs aren't really top sellers. ;-)

[Eeyore]

Jenn wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Jenn wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
"George M. Middius" wrote:

Marc said to Poopie B'ar:

Is it possible that Graham thinks this is a better way to buy a
'table?

I wouldn't even remotely consider using one other than for
entertainment purpose any
more.

Well, what would you use a music reproduction system for, other than
entertainment?

Poopie is a fevered follower of the maniacal Dr. Not, who preaches that
"audio is a deadly serious business".

It's only serious when I'm making money from it.

Ok.... who here earns an income from audio ?

Graham

me of course - and........

And who earns an income producing what the audio business exists to
reproduce? ;-)

It's very nice but strictly a different category.

Graham

True, but you'd have a hard time without us. Spoken word and sound
effects CDs aren't really top sellers. ;-)

Just out of interest, by your own estimation, how critical a listener are you ?

My next-door neighbour, a professional violinist amuses me that he listens to music
on a crappy midi system.

Graham

[ScottW]

"Jenn" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Eeyore wrote:

"George M. Middius" wrote:

Marc said to Poopie B'ar:

Is it possible that Graham thinks this is a better way to buy a
'table?

I wouldn't even remotely consider using one other than for
entertainment purpose any
more.

Well, what would you use a music reproduction system for, other than
entertainment?

Poopie is a fevered follower of the maniacal Dr. Not, who preaches that
"audio is a deadly serious business".

It's only serious when I'm making money from it.

Ok.... who here earns an income from audio ?

Graham

me of course - and........

And who earns an income producing what the audio business exists to
reproduce? ;-)

Bunch of money grubbing hoes.
Music should be free and hifi's funded by the government!

ScottW

[Jenn]

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:

Jenn wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Jenn wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
"George M. Middius" wrote:

Marc said to Poopie B'ar:

Is it possible that Graham thinks this is a better way to buy
a
'table?

I wouldn't even remotely consider using one other than for
entertainment purpose any
more.

Well, what would you use a music reproduction system for, other
than
entertainment?

Poopie is a fevered follower of the maniacal Dr. Not, who preaches
that
"audio is a deadly serious business".

It's only serious when I'm making money from it.

Ok.... who here earns an income from audio ?

Graham

me of course - and........

And who earns an income producing what the audio business exists to
reproduce? ;-)

It's very nice but strictly a different category.

Graham

True, but you'd have a hard time without us. Spoken word and sound
effects CDs aren't really top sellers. ;-)

Just out of interest, by your own estimation, how critical a listener are you
?

Very.


My next-door neighbour, a professional violinist amuses me that he listens to
music
on a crappy midi system.

Graham

I have a theory about this kind of thing, which I'll share later.

[Arny Krueger]

wrote in message
ups.com...

Arny Krueger wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

Of course we could remind our new friend Graham here how his pal Arny
really buys turntables. You know, how he e-mailed me under another
name to ask my what I recommended, and when I told him to buy a Rega
Planar 3, or a Planar 2 with an RB250 arm at the very least,

True, but out of budget.

he went on e-bay and purchased one of the oldest and cheapest P2s he
could
find,
with the crappy, mismatched Mayware arm,

True, and within budget.

and then tried to tell
everyone I didn't know what I was talking about because it didn't sound
very good.

Another one of Marc's paranoid delusions.

Marc again tries to fight substance with fire

In other words, the whole incident backfired on you, and you looked
like an idiot.

That's why you ran away from RAO with your tail between your legs, Marc.
Why did it take so long for you to come back?

But then again, that's the essence of the Marc and Arny Story.

I cut, Marc runs.

[Arny Krueger]

"Harry Lavo" wrote in message
. ..

Or when he bought the lowest priced SACD player available

Harry, isn't it true that you said that the Pioneer universal player was
capable of showing the benefits of the SACD format?

and then proclaimed he couldn't hear any difference between SACD and CD,

Never happened.

so those of us who did hear a difference (on better players, and possibly
with better systems) were "wrong".

Reliance on inherently flawed sighted evaluations noted.

[Harry Lavo]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Harry Lavo" wrote in message
. ..

Or when he bought the lowest priced SACD player available

Harry, isn't it true that you said that the Pioneer universal player was
capable of showing the benefits of the SACD format?


Absolutely not. You obviously are letting your opinion of me get in the way
of what I've said....at least three times on usenet, including RAO. SACD is
the weakest format played by the 578a. It's conversion to PCM destroys the
ambience readily available on native DSD decoding players. It is its DVD-A
that is really strong, and its CD acceptable.

Pay attention.



and then proclaimed he couldn't hear any difference between SACD and CD,

Never happened.

Bull****!


so those of us who did hear a difference (on better players, and possibly
with better systems) were "wrong".

Reliance on inherently flawed sighted evaluations noted.

Versus never having done a careful comparison test (albeit sighted) of SACD
vs CD at all, as I did Arny, using carefully selected, identically sourced
materials? Go back and read the RAHE archives. You had your opinion before
you bought the SACD machine that SACD contributed no audible difference, and
you've continued to assert that since. When challenged as to what kind of
(non-computer) testing you've done to assert that, you've ducked.

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Harry Lavo" wrote in message
. ..

Or when he bought the lowest priced SACD player available

Harry, isn't it true that you said that the Pioneer universal player was
capable of showing the benefits of the SACD format?

and then proclaimed he couldn't hear any difference between SACD and CD,

Never happened.

so those of us who did hear a difference (on better players, and possibly
with better systems) were "wrong".

Reliance on inherently flawed sighted evaluations noted.

======================================
Professor , Doctor Krueger says to Harry:
Reliance on inherently flawed sighted evaluations noted.

Professor, Doctor Krueger watches through a chink in the curtains as
Harry listens. He KNOWS that Harry never compares blind.
Professor,Doctor Krueger has a patented, world famous, approved by all
the Hollywood celebrities, cure. Get it on his ABX website. Guaranteed
to demonstrate that there is no difference between anything and
anything else.
A fan, Ludovic Mirabel.

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Arny Krueger wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...

Of course we could remind our new friend Graham here how his pal Arny
really buys turntables. You know, how he e-mailed me under another
name to ask my what I recommended, and when I told him to buy a Rega
Planar 3, or a Planar 2 with an RB250 arm at the very least,

True, but out of budget.

he went on e-bay and purchased one of the oldest and cheapest P2s he
could
find,
with the crappy, mismatched Mayware arm,

True, and within budget.

and then tried to tell
everyone I didn't know what I was talking about because it didn't sound
very good.

Another one of Marc's paranoid delusions.

Marc again tries to fight substance with fire

In other words, the whole incident backfired on you, and you looked
like an idiot.

That's why you ran away from RAO with your tail between your legs, Marc.
Why did it take so long for you to come back?

But then again, that's the essence of the Marc and Arny Story.

I cut, Marc runs.

Oh, we're trotting out the "Marc only appears here sporadically, so his
views are suspect" pablum, eh? That has to be the stupidest argument
you ever conceived, because all it ever really illustrates is how empty
and meaningless you life is, and that you have to spend it arguing with
strangers on the Internet.

I don't know how many times I can point this out to you. Then again,
one of the best definitions of insanity is when you make the same
mistake over and over and over.

Boon

[Eeyore]

Harry Lavo wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote

Harry, isn't it true that you said that the Pioneer universal player was
capable of showing the benefits of the SACD format?

Absolutely not. You obviously are letting your opinion of me get in the way
of what I've said....at least three times on usenet, including RAO. SACD is
the weakest format played by the 578a. It's conversion to PCM destroys the
ambience readily available on native DSD decoding players

How ?

Graham

[Harry Lavo]

"Eeyore" wrote in
message ...


Harry Lavo wrote:

"Arny Krueger" wrote

Harry, isn't it true that you said that the Pioneer universal player
was
capable of showing the benefits of the SACD format?

Absolutely not. You obviously are letting your opinion of me get in the
way
of what I've said....at least three times on usenet, including RAO. SACD
is
the weakest format played by the 578a. It's conversion to PCM destroys
the
ambience readily available on native DSD decoding players

How ?

Graham


The same way turning on speaker compensation within the Sony C222ES and
C2000ES do....when put through the DAC as PCM, they loose the ambience that
otherwise is on the recording...it is clearly noticeable on a recording with
true hall ambience. This isn't theory...it is reality and widely
acknowledged (note that I am *not* saying every machine that uses PCM to
decode SACD does this...only that these specific ones do).

[Eeyore]

Harry Lavo wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
Harry Lavo wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote

Harry, isn't it true that you said that the Pioneer universal player
was capable of showing the benefits of the SACD format?

Absolutely not. You obviously are letting your opinion of me get in the
way of what I've said....at least three times on usenet, including RAO.
SACD is the weakest format played by the 578a. It's conversion to PCM
destroys the ambience readily available on native DSD decoding players

How ?

Graham


The same way turning on speaker compensation within the Sony C222ES and
C2000ES do....when put through the DAC as PCM, they loose the ambience that
otherwise is on the recording...it is clearly noticeable on a recording with
true hall ambience. This isn't theory...it is reality and widely
acknowledged (note that I am *not* saying every machine that uses PCM to
decode SACD does this...only that these specific ones do).

So why isn't it more widely acknowledged ?

Where does this 'ambience ' go ?

Graham

[MiNe 109]

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:

Harry Lavo wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
Harry Lavo wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote

Harry, isn't it true that you said that the Pioneer universal player
was capable of showing the benefits of the SACD format?

Absolutely not. You obviously are letting your opinion of me get in the
way of what I've said....at least three times on usenet, including RAO.
SACD is the weakest format played by the 578a. It's conversion to PCM
destroys the ambience readily available on native DSD decoding players

How ?

Graham


The same way turning on speaker compensation within the Sony C222ES and
C2000ES do....when put through the DAC as PCM, they loose the ambience that
otherwise is on the recording...it is clearly noticeable on a recording with
true hall ambience. This isn't theory...it is reality and widely
acknowledged (note that I am *not* saying every machine that uses PCM to
decode SACD does this...only that these specific ones do).

So why isn't it more widely acknowledged ?

Where does this 'ambience ' go ?

Silicon heaven, where all the calculators go.

Stephen

[Harry Lavo]

"Eeyore" wrote in
message ...


Harry Lavo wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
Harry Lavo wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote

Harry, isn't it true that you said that the Pioneer universal player
was capable of showing the benefits of the SACD format?

Absolutely not. You obviously are letting your opinion of me get in
the
way of what I've said....at least three times on usenet, including
RAO.
SACD is the weakest format played by the 578a. It's conversion to PCM
destroys the ambience readily available on native DSD decoding players

How ?

Graham


The same way turning on speaker compensation within the Sony C222ES and
C2000ES do....when put through the DAC as PCM, they loose the ambience
that
otherwise is on the recording...it is clearly noticeable on a recording
with
true hall ambience. This isn't theory...it is reality and widely
acknowledged (note that I am *not* saying every machine that uses PCM to
decode SACD does this...only that these specific ones do).

So why isn't it more widely acknowledged ?


It is. Often mentioned by reviewers, ordinary users on the web.


Where does this 'ambience ' go ?


Where did Cat Stevens go?


Graham

[Eeyore]

Harry Lavo wrote:

Where did Cat Stevens go?

Islamic.

Graham

[Andy Evans]

Add bananas

[Arny Krueger]

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Arny Krueger wrote:
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Of course we could remind our new friend Graham here how his pal
Arny
really buys turntables. You know, how he e-mailed me under another
name to ask my what I recommended, and when I told him to buy a Rega
Planar 3, or a Planar 2 with an RB250 arm at the very least,

True, but out of budget.

he went on e-bay and purchased one of the oldest and cheapest P2s he
could
find,
with the crappy, mismatched Mayware arm,

True, and within budget.

and then tried to tell
everyone I didn't know what I was talking about because it didn't
sound
very good.

Another one of Marc's paranoid delusions.

Marc again tries to fight substance with fire

In other words, the whole incident backfired on you, and you looked
like an idiot.

That's why you ran away from RAO with your tail between your legs, Marc.
Why did it take so long for you to come back?

But then again, that's the essence of the Marc and Arny Story.

I cut, Marc runs.

Oh, we're trotting out the "Marc only appears here sporadically, so his
views are suspect" pablum, eh? That has to be the stupidest argument
you ever conceived, because all it ever really illustrates is how empty
and meaningless you life is, and that you have to spend it arguing with
strangers on the Internet.

Marc, you made that argument up yourself, so of course its the stupidest
argument ever conceived.

Stop telling yourself these silly lies and grow up!

[Arny Krueger]

"Harry Lavo" wrote in message
. ..

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Harry Lavo" wrote in message
. ..

Or when he bought the lowest priced SACD player available

Harry, isn't it true that you said that the Pioneer universal player was
capable of showing the benefits of the SACD format?


Absolutely not. You obviously are letting your opinion of me get in the
way of what I've said....at least three times on usenet, including RAO.
SACD is the weakest format played by the 578a. It's conversion to PCM
destroys the ambience readily available on native DSD decoding players.

Here Harry shows his ignorance of technology by claiming that DSD somehow
reproduces audio better than PCM with the same or better bandwidth and
dynamic range.

BTW, DVD-A's 24/192 and 24/96 coding easily whips SACD's butt on both
counts, since SACD trashes dynamic range above 20 KHz. If I wanted to split
hairs, I could say that 24/48 has more dynamic range than SACD because of
its extension to 24 KHz.

[Arny Krueger]

"Harry Lavo" wrote in message
...

The same way turning on speaker compensation within the Sony C222ES and
C2000ES do....when put through the DAC as PCM, they loose the ambience
that otherwise is on the recording...it is clearly noticeable on a
recording with true hall ambience.

Urban myth, and confusion of added processing with the inherent properties
of PCM and SACD.

This isn't theory...it is reality and widely acknowledged

No doubt based on sighted evaluations...

(note that I am *not* saying every machine that uses PCM to decode SACD
does this...only that these specific ones do).

Note Harry running and hiding.

[Arny Krueger]

"Harry Lavo" wrote in message
. ..

"Eeyore" wrote in
message ...


Harry Lavo wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
Harry Lavo wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote

Harry, isn't it true that you said that the Pioneer universal
player
was capable of showing the benefits of the SACD format?

Absolutely not. You obviously are letting your opinion of me get in
the
way of what I've said....at least three times on usenet, including
RAO.
SACD is the weakest format played by the 578a. It's conversion to
PCM
destroys the ambience readily available on native DSD decoding
players

How ?

Graham


The same way turning on speaker compensation within the Sony C222ES and
C2000ES do....when put through the DAC as PCM, they loose the ambience
that
otherwise is on the recording...it is clearly noticeable on a recording
with
true hall ambience. This isn't theory...it is reality and widely
acknowledged (note that I am *not* saying every machine that uses PCM to
decode SACD does this...only that these specific ones do).

So why isn't it more widely acknowledged ?


It is. Often mentioned by reviewers, ordinary users on the web.


Where does this 'ambience ' go ?


Where did Cat Stevens go?

A mosque. Now answer the question!

[Harry Lavo]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..

"Harry Lavo" wrote in message
...

The same way turning on speaker compensation within the Sony C222ES and
C2000ES do....when put through the DAC as PCM, they loose the ambience
that otherwise is on the recording...it is clearly noticeable on a
recording with true hall ambience.

Urban myth, and confusion of added processing with the inherent properties
of PCM and SACD.

This isn't theory...it is reality and widely acknowledged

No doubt based on sighted evaluations...

(note that I am *not* saying every machine that uses PCM to decode SACD
does this...only that these specific ones do).

Note Harry running and hiding.

Once again Arny offers his criticism without any actual experience or
experimentation.

[Harry Lavo]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..

"Harry Lavo" wrote in message
...

The same way turning on speaker compensation within the Sony C222ES and
C2000ES do....when put through the DAC as PCM, they loose the ambience
that otherwise is on the recording...it is clearly noticeable on a
recording with true hall ambience.

Urban myth, and confusion of added processing with the inherent properties
of PCM and SACD.

This isn't theory...it is reality and widely acknowledged

No doubt based on sighted evaluations...

(note that I am *not* saying every machine that uses PCM to decode SACD
does this...only that these specific ones do).

Note Harry running and hiding.

I guess Arny doesn't subscribe to the posts that say that what you choose to
measure, not whether or not it can be measured, is the battle. A completly
irrelevant answer.

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
wrote in message
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Arny Krueger wrote:
wrote in message
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Arny Krueger wrote:
wrote in message
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Of course we could remind our new friend Graham here how his pal
Arny
really buys turntables. You know, how he e-mailed me under another
name to ask my what I recommended, and when I told him to buy a Rega
Planar 3, or a Planar 2 with an RB250 arm at the very least,

True, but out of budget.

he went on e-bay and purchased one of the oldest and cheapest P2s he
could
find,
with the crappy, mismatched Mayware arm,

True, and within budget.

and then tried to tell
everyone I didn't know what I was talking about because it didn't
sound
very good.

Another one of Marc's paranoid delusions.

Marc again tries to fight substance with fire

In other words, the whole incident backfired on you, and you looked
like an idiot.

That's why you ran away from RAO with your tail between your legs, Marc.
Why did it take so long for you to come back?

But then again, that's the essence of the Marc and Arny Story.

I cut, Marc runs.

Oh, we're trotting out the "Marc only appears here sporadically, so his
views are suspect" pablum, eh? That has to be the stupidest argument
you ever conceived, because all it ever really illustrates is how empty
and meaningless you life is, and that you have to spend it arguing with
strangers on the Internet.

Marc, you made that argument up yourself, so of course its the stupidest
argument ever conceived.

Stop telling yourself these silly lies and grow up!

That makes absolutely no sense. Show how I came up with the argument
and not you. Or, better yet, don't show it. Let the exchange stand as
it is. You've made a career out of wasting your life on the Internet,
by embarrassing yourself and your family, by revealing yourself to be
utterly insane, and your best defense is to keep plugging along,
pretending you're not as dumb as you really are.

I guess it's working, because you're not dead yet. You have that going
for you.

Boon

[Arny Krueger]

"Harry Lavo" wrote in message
...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..

"Harry Lavo" wrote in message
...

The same way turning on speaker compensation within the Sony C222ES and
C2000ES do....when put through the DAC as PCM, they loose the ambience
that otherwise is on the recording...it is clearly noticeable on a
recording with true hall ambience.

Urban myth, and confusion of added processing with the inherent
properties of PCM and SACD.

This isn't theory...it is reality and widely acknowledged

No doubt based on sighted evaluations...

(note that I am *not* saying every machine that uses PCM to decode SACD
does this...only that these specific ones do).

Note Harry running and hiding.

Once again Arny offers his criticism without any actual experience or
experimentation.

Yet another religious act of denial of reality noted.