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Stereo CDs with a good sound image?
I'm looking for some stereo music recordings that show off the stereo
effect - creating a "sound image" that locates various instruments and voices discretely in space. This tends to be more common in simply-recorded orchestral pieces, less so in pop music which seems to crowd all the tracks into the center of the sound-stage. I'm not looking for surround-coded pieces or something that requires a special player, just good music of various types (classical, jazz, rock, etc.) on CD without obvious compression artifacts. Any recomendations for pieces where the sound image really shines? Andrew Werby Gaki Audio |
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"Andrew Werby" wrote in message
... I'm looking for some stereo music recordings that show off the stereo effect - creating a "sound image" that locates various instruments and voices discretely in space. This tends to be more common in simply-recorded orchestral pieces, less so in pop music which seems to crowd all the tracks into the center of the sound-stage. I'm not looking for surround-coded pieces or something that requires a special player, just good music of various types (classical, jazz, rock, etc.) on CD without obvious compression artifacts. Any recomendations for pieces where the sound image really shines? Andrew Werby Gaki Audio The "Jazz at the Pawnshop" CDs (three volumes) are truly excellent at conveying sound images. Try also Emiliana Torrini, Fisherman's Woman. This CD is probably the best recorded CD in my collection. You can almost reach out and touch the soloist. S. -- http://audiopages.googlepages.com |
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Andrew Werby wrote:
I'm looking for some stereo music recordings that show off the stereo effect - creating a "sound image" that locates various instruments and voices discretely in space. This tends to be more common in simply-recorded orchestral pieces, less so in pop music which seems to crowd all the tracks into the center of the sound-stage. I'm not looking for surround-coded pieces or something that requires a special player, just good music of various types (classical, jazz, rock, etc.) on CD without obvious compression artifacts. Any recomendations for pieces where the sound image really shines? Andrew Werby Gaki Audio If you can get a copy of Duke Ellingtons Three Suites ( Columbia Jazz Masterpieces #ck 46825} you will be amazed. It is his take on Tchaikovsky's The Nutcracker Suites. The Sound stage is very wide and when your system is properly set up, you can sit with your eye's closed and "see" the 3 tiers of the big band. It's a great set up and show off cd Mike Mueller |
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On Sep 6, 3:21 pm, "Andrew Werby"
wrote: I'm looking for some stereo music recordings that show off the stereo effect - creating a "sound image" that locates various instruments and voices discretely in space. Two recordings from my recommended listening list: Brahms, Beethoven Trios for Piano, Clarinet & Cello; Ax, Stolzman & Ma; 1995; Sony SK57499 This one is one of the most natural, dynamic chamber music recordings I have heard. There are only 3 musicians so the image is not huge but it has precise placement and depth. Very realistic. It's also a fire breathing performance of great music. Arc Choir, Walk with Me; 1997; Mapleshade 04132 The image is wide and deep yet with pinpoint precision. But unlike many wide soundstages which tend to sound diffuse, you can hear not only the position of the soloists as they sing and walk around, but you can also pinpoint the location of each of the individual background singers. Also most of the RCA Victor recordings from the 1960s have excellent imaging. I find most modern large ensemble works to have an unrealistic sound stage. To my ears that immense yet diffuse sound stage sounds more like multi-miced mono than true stereo. I suppose that is expected considering the arrays of mics used to record them. The old RCA Victors were recorded with only 2 or 3 tracks and they capture true stereo imagery amazingly well. Chesky and Classic records have excellent reissues on CD, and Classic still has some on LP as well. |
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Thanks for the recommendations, guys! I found "Jazz at the Pawnshop" at
www.elusivedisc.com; Emiliana Torrini, Fisherman's Woman was at http://www.cduniverse.com; Duke Ellingtons Three Suites showed up on www.amazon.com; Brahms, Beethoven Trios for Piano, Clarinet & Cello; Ax, Stolzman & Ma; 1995; Sony SK57499 was at http://www.sonymusicstore.com, and the Arc Choir, Walk with Me; 1997; Mapleshade 04132 was found on www.netsoundsmusic.com. I can't wait for all this to arrive... I'll do a little more research into those older RCA Victor recordings, but any specific recommendations would be nice. I agree, the sixties were the golden age of stereo recording, before the engineers took over and started micing everyone separately, then jamming all the tracks together anyhow with no regard for realistic soundstage imaging. Rock-n-roll has been the biggest offender, since it is difficult to get good sound from the individual instruments and voices without spillover from the drums, and everything's coming through amplifiers anyway. Does anybody know of any rock/pop albums on CD that buck that trend? Andrew Werby Gaki Audio |
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Andrew Werby wrote:
Thanks for the recommendations, guys! I found "Jazz at the Pawnshop" at www.elusivedisc.com; Emiliana Torrini, Fisherman's Woman was at http://www.cduniverse.com; Duke Ellingtons Three Suites showed up on www.amazon.com; Brahms, Beethoven Trios for Piano, Clarinet & Cello; Ax, Stolzman & Ma; 1995; Sony SK57499 was at http://www.sonymusicstore.com, and the Arc Choir, Walk with Me; 1997; Mapleshade 04132 was found on www.netsoundsmusic.com. I can't wait for all this to arrive... I'll do a little more research into those older RCA Victor recordings, but any specific recommendations would be nice. I agree, the sixties were the golden age of stereo recording, before the engineers took over and started micing everyone separately, then jamming all the tracks together anyhow with no regard for realistic soundstage imaging. Rock-n-roll has been the biggest offender, since it is difficult to get good sound from the individual instruments and voices without spillover from the drums, and everything's coming through amplifiers anyway. Does anybody know of any rock/pop albums on CD that buck that trend? Andrew Werby Gaki Audio Mari Boine: Gula Gula. A pop recording as they all shoud be, although the stereo image is artificial. Other CD's of her, are nice recoded too. Lou Reed: New York. A couple of tracks have a stereo image, even with depth. Ry Cooder: Jazz. Other albums of RC are also rather decent recorded Cees |
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On Sep 8, 5:45 pm, "Andrew Werby"
wrote: I'll do a little more research into those older RCA Victor recordings, but any specific recommendations would be nice. ... Here are three reissues to get you started: Moussorgsky, Pictures at an Exhibition, Chesky RC30 Rachmaninoff, Piano Concerto #2, Chesky CR2 I have the Chesky 180 HQ vinyl for both of these. Dunno whether they still press the vinyl, or whether the CD version has the same stereo imaging. I suspect it does, since the CDs I burn myself from the LP do have the same great stereo image. Bartok, Music for Strings, Percussion & Celesta, BMG LSC-2374 I have the BMG single sided 45 RPM 200 gram vinyl for this. Same comment above applies. |
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On Sep 6, 6:21 pm, "Andrew Werby"
wrote: I'm looking for some stereo music recordings that show off the stereo effect - creating a "sound image" that locates various instruments and voices discretely in space. This tends to be more common in simply-recorded orchestral pieces, less so in pop music which seems to crowd all the tracks into the center of the sound-stage. I'm not looking for surround-coded pieces or something that requires a special player, just good music of various types (classical, jazz, rock, etc.) on CD without obvious compression artifacts. Any recomendations for pieces where the sound image really shines? Andrew Werby Gaki Audio Oscar Peterson's "We get Requests" is excellent. Drums on the left, piano front and center, bass on the right. A truly great example of sound stage image and depth. The tunes are good listening also! Rick |
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The CD I usually use for "Critical Listening" is "Eye Of The Beholder" by
the Chick Corea Electric Band. It is one of the best Fusion Jazz recordings I've heard. Chick's piano sweeps across the soundstage. Depth, height and width are remarkable. "Andrew Werby" wrote in message ... I'm looking for some stereo music recordings that show off the stereo effect - creating a "sound image" that locates various instruments and voices discretely in space. This tends to be more common in simply-recorded orchestral pieces, less so in pop music which seems to crowd all the tracks into the center of the sound-stage. I'm not looking for surround-coded pieces or something that requires a special player, just good music of various types (classical, jazz, rock, etc.) on CD without obvious compression artifacts. Any recomendations for pieces where the sound image really shines? Andrew Werby Gaki Audio |
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Several I have found to be pretty good:
Alice in Chains - Unplugged (the entire CD) AC/DC - Back in Black (track 1 and track 6) Stone Temple Pilots - Core (track 7 is my favorite) Soundgarden - Superunknown (track 7 and track 15) Also, the venerable Dark Side of the Moon gives you a broad soundstage presense. And one that I always recommend, although not rock, and completely instrumental, is Jacques Loussier - Plays Bach, which I say all audiophiles should have in their collection as as one of their reference CDs -I do. "Andrew Werby" wrote in message ... I'm looking for some stereo music recordings that show off the stereo effect - creating a "sound image" that locates various instruments and voices discretely in space. This tends to be more common in simply-recorded orchestral pieces, less so in pop music which seems to crowd all the tracks into the center of the sound-stage. I'm not looking for surround-coded pieces or something that requires a special player, just good music of various types (classical, jazz, rock, etc.) on CD without obvious compression artifacts. Any recomendations for pieces where the sound image really shines? Andrew Werby Gaki Audio |
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"http://www.wenterprisesnorthwest.com" writes: Several I have found to be pretty good: Alice in Chains - Unplugged (the entire CD) Agreed, this is an excellent CD. AC/DC - Back in Black (track 1 and track 6) I just got the remasterd version and it's even better. An obscure one that I keep mentioning is Sammy Hagar "Marching to Mars". Amazing soundstage and clarty. Kick drums sound like real kick drums and cymbals sound like real cymbals, as well as everything in between. -- David Bath - RAHE Co-moderator |
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David E. Bath wrote:
In article , "http://www.wenterprisesnorthwest.com" writes: Several I have found to be pretty good: Alice in Chains - Unplugged (the entire CD) Agreed, this is an excellent CD. AC/DC - Back in Black (track 1 and track 6) I just got the remasterd version and it's even better. well, louder, certainly ___ -S "As human beings, we understand the world through simile, analogy, metaphor, narrative and, sometimes, claymation." - B. Mason |
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On Sep 7, 3:34 pm, "Serge Auckland"
wrote: ... Try also Emiliana Torrini, Fisherman's Woman. This CD is probably the best recorded CD in my collection. You can almost reach out and touch the soloist. Out of curiousity, I just got a copy. When the first track started, I was surprised how loud it was, being just guitar and voice. The "quiet" parts of this CD are so boosted it has very little dynamic range. Analysis of the waveform showed the same thing. And the dynamic peaks are clipped in several of the songs. I mean clipped in the actual digital waveform, not clipped during playback. It's unfortunate because I do like the music and she has a... well... interesting voice. I mean that in a good way. It's not her fault the studio decided to dynamically compress the recording. I find this is all too common in modern recording. Everyone is trying to get his album to sound louder and punchier so you can hear it better on FM radio, a boombox or in a car or other noisy environment. The result is recordings that are produced with dynamic compression, resulting in an unnatural lack of dynamics and fatiguing listening. BTW, here is a good article on this: http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articl...nd-forever.htm |
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On 6 Sep 2007 22:21:44 GMT, "Andrew Werby"
wrote: I'm looking for some stereo music recordings that show off the stereo effect - creating a "sound image" that locates various instruments and voices discretely in space. This tends to be more common in simply-recorded orchestral pieces, less so in pop music which seems to crowd all the tracks into the center of the sound-stage. I'm not looking for surround-coded pieces or something that requires a special player, just good music of various types (classical, jazz, rock, etc.) on CD without obvious compression artifacts. Any recomendations for pieces where the sound image really shines? Andrew Werby Gaki Audio My favorite for this kind of thing is Tom Waits "Shore Leave" on Beautiful Maladies -- zuzubolin l |
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Try the Oscar Peterson Trio "We Get Requests". It has a great slap bass,
drums and piano. They are all very well located in the soundstage. Rick wrote in message ... On 6 Sep 2007 22:21:44 GMT, "Andrew Werby" wrote: I'm looking for some stereo music recordings that show off the stereo effect - creating a "sound image" that locates various instruments and voices discretely in space. This tends to be more common in simply-recorded orchestral pieces, less so in pop music which seems to crowd all the tracks into the center of the sound-stage. I'm not looking for surround-coded pieces or something that requires a special player, just good music of various types (classical, jazz, rock, etc.) on CD without obvious compression artifacts. Any recomendations for pieces where the sound image really shines? Andrew Werby Gaki Audio My favorite for this kind of thing is Tom Waits "Shore Leave" on Beautiful Maladies -- zuzubolin l |
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Diana Krell recordings are exellent - any I have heard so far.
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On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:33:31 -0700, Rick wrote
(in article ): Try the Oscar Peterson Trio "We Get Requests". It has a great slap bass, drums and piano. They are all very well located in the soundstage. Sure they are well located in space. They are mono-miked and panned to those positions. The way I understand Rick's request he's looking for real stereo imaging, not mult-miked, multi-channel mono. Most traditional jazz and rock recordings do not qualify. Of course, there are bound to be exceptions... Rick wrote in message ... On 6 Sep 2007 22:21:44 GMT, "Andrew Werby" wrote: I'm looking for some stereo music recordings that show off the stereo effect - creating a "sound image" that locates various instruments and voices discretely in space. This tends to be more common in simply-recorded orchestral pieces, less so in pop music which seems to crowd all the tracks into the center of the sound-stage. I'm not looking for surround-coded pieces or something that requires a special player, just good music of various types (classical, jazz, rock, etc.) on CD without obvious compression artifacts. Any recomendations for pieces where the sound image really shines? Andrew Werby Gaki Audio My favorite for this kind of thing is Tom Waits "Shore Leave" on Beautiful Maladies -- zuzubolin l |
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On 6 Sep 2007 22:21:44 GMT, "Andrew Werby"
wrote: I'm looking for some stereo music recordings that show off the stereo effect - creating a "sound image" that locates various instruments and voices discretely in space. This tends to be more common in simply-recorded orchestral pieces, less so in pop music which seems to crowd all the tracks into the center of the sound-stage. I'm not looking for surround-coded pieces or something that requires a special player, just good music of various types (classical, jazz, rock, etc.) on CD without obvious compression artifacts. Any recomendations for pieces where the sound image really shines? Andrew Werby Gaki Audio Although I think the LP is even better, the CD issue of Paul Simon's Graceland album is very fine for imaging and sound-stage (especially the track "Diamonds on the Soles of Her Shoes"). Cheers! Mudge -- Life is change: How it differs from the rocks! I've seen their ways too often for my liking. New worlds to gain:*My life is to survive . . . And be alive for you. |
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Of course, if the recording is a multi-tracked affair where
parts recorded at different times were mixed together, then whatever 'image' exists is purely synthetic. So perhaps you should look for 'live' recordings....though albums advertised as 'live' are often 'sweetened' or 'fixed' with overdubs ___ -S http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_sheep |
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Steve wrote:
Diana Krell recordings are exellent - any I have heard so far. I agree the Diana Krall albums are excellent, but I notice that a lot of her albums are mastered by Doug Sax of The Mastering Lab and most albums I've heard mastered by him sound excellent. I recently purchased some Randy Travis cd's and immediately noticed how good they sounded, and when I looked at the credits, there was Doug again. I remember some time ago reading an article about the loudness wars and how they were ruining the sound quality of modern cd's by over compression thereby destroying the dynamic range of the recordings. I can remember that Doug Sax commented that he was opposed to the loudness wars. Maybe he masters for dynamic range rather than just trying to make the cd sound louder? |
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Rich R wrote:
Steve wrote: Diana Krell recordings are exellent - any I have heard so far. I agree the Diana Krall albums are excellent, but I notice that a lot of her albums are mastered by Doug Sax of The Mastering Lab and most albums I've heard mastered by him sound excellent. I recently purchased some Randy Travis cd's and immediately noticed how good they sounded, and when I looked at the credits, there was Doug again. I remember some time ago reading an article about the loudness wars and how they were ruining the sound quality of modern cd's by over compression thereby destroying the dynamic range of the recordings. I can remember that Doug Sax commented that he was opposed to the loudness wars. Maybe he masters for dynamic range rather than just trying to make the cd sound louder? Sax may be opposed to the loudness wars, but he is by no means opposed to reducing dynamic range. His most recent Pink FLoyd catalog remasters are louder than the previous ones, and as both were claimed to be from original master tapes, that can only have occured via DR reduction. Still, the amount of DR reduction applied, is small compared to typical modern remastering. -- ___ -S maybe they wanna rock. maybe they need to rock. Maybe it's for the money? But That's none of our business..our business as fans is to rock with them. |
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On 2008-04-05, Rich R wrote:
Steve wrote: Diana Krell recordings are exellent - any I have heard so far. I agree the Diana Krall albums are excellent, but I notice that a lot of her albums are mastered by Doug Sax of The Mastering Lab and most albums I've heard mastered by him sound excellent. I recently purchased some Randy Travis cd's and immediately noticed how good they sounded, and when I looked at the credits, there was Doug again. I remember some time ago reading an article about the loudness wars and how they were ruining the sound quality of modern cd's by over compression thereby destroying the dynamic range of the recordings. I can remember that Doug Sax commented that he was opposed to the loudness wars. Maybe he masters for dynamic range rather than just trying to make the cd sound louder? a bit off topic but the loudness wars have spilled over to tv shows. e.g. discovery, history & national geographic set their "background" music to very loud to drown out what the narrator's comments/narrative.; but it could be that the scripts are so bad, loud music is a "coverup". |
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student wrote:
a bit off topic but the loudness wars have spilled over to tv shows. Broadcast audio, and FM radio in particular, was the origin of the loudness wars. It predates CD technology by several years - broadcasters have been squashing the crap out of audio since the 70's. //Walt |
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The idea behind a good digital master is to bring out certain
frequencies of the mix. What a lot of seasoned mastering engineers who are opposed to the whole "loudness wars" thing is use multi-band compression to compress certain frequency ranges and bring out certain parts of the mix the mix engineer didn't bring out in the mixing process. In my experience brickwall limiting are used to limit any volume added by any other piece of hardware (or plugin for those who use a DAW) and a good brickwall limiter should be able to attenuate the signal to a certain degree. Typically my favorite CDs are recordings that are loud but not smashed so there's a good balance between loudness and dynamic range. I'm all for dynamic range but I still want to be able to hear my CDs in the car or on my iPod when I'm on the bus. When I'm at home I listen to vinyl and that's a completely different animal altogether! Steven Sullivan wrote: Rich R wrote: Steve wrote: Diana Krell recordings are exellent - any I have heard so far. I agree the Diana Krall albums are excellent, but I notice that a lot of her albums are mastered by Doug Sax of The Mastering Lab and most albums I've heard mastered by him sound excellent. I recently purchased some Randy Travis cd's and immediately noticed how good they sounded, and when I looked at the credits, there was Doug again. I remember some time ago reading an article about the loudness wars and how they were ruining the sound quality of modern cd's by over compression thereby destroying the dynamic range of the recordings. I can remember that Doug Sax commented that he was opposed to the loudness wars. Maybe he masters for dynamic range rather than just trying to make the cd sound louder? Sax may be opposed to the loudness wars, but he is by no means opposed to reducing dynamic range. His most recent Pink FLoyd catalog remasters are louder than the previous ones, and as both were claimed to be from original master tapes, that can only have occured via DR reduction. Still, the amount of DR reduction applied, is small compared to typical modern remastering. |
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Steve LeDuke wrote:
The idea behind a good digital master is to bring out certain frequencies of the mix. What a lot of seasoned mastering engineers who are opposed to the whole "loudness wars" thing is use multi-band compression to compress certain frequency ranges and bring out certain parts of the mix the mix engineer didn't bring out in the mixing process. In my experience brickwall limiting are used to limit any volume added by any other piece of hardware (or plugin for those who use a DAW) and a good brickwall limiter should be able to attenuate the signal to a certain degree. Typically my favorite CDs are recordings that are loud but not smashed so there's a good balance between loudness and dynamic range. I'm all for dynamic range but I still want to be able to hear my CDs in the car or on my iPod when I'm on the bus. Then those devices should have compressors built into them, rather than hard-coding the compression into the CD! It's absurd to cripple CD simply because you want to be able to hear everything on it in a noisy environment. When I'm at home I listen to vinyl and that's a completely different animal altogether! And it's absurd to suggest that people should have to use a compromised and balky format like LP, in order to get a semblance of natural dynamic range in their home audio. -- -S Poe's Law: Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humorous intent, it is impossible to create a parody of a religious Fundamentalist that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing. |
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On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:39:21 -0700, Steven Sullivan wrote
(in article ): Steve LeDuke wrote: The idea behind a good digital master is to bring out certain frequencies of the mix. What a lot of seasoned mastering engineers who are opposed to the whole "loudness wars" thing is use multi-band compression to compress certain frequency ranges and bring out certain parts of the mix the mix engineer didn't bring out in the mixing process. In my experience brickwall limiting are used to limit any volume added by any other piece of hardware (or plugin for those who use a DAW) and a good brickwall limiter should be able to attenuate the signal to a certain degree. Typically my favorite CDs are recordings that are loud but not smashed so there's a good balance between loudness and dynamic range. I'm all for dynamic range but I still want to be able to hear my CDs in the car or on my iPod when I'm on the bus. Then those devices should have compressors built into them, rather than hard-coding the compression into the CD! It's absurd to cripple CD simply because you want to be able to hear everything on it in a noisy environment. I agree, 100%. Put a variable compressor in the car's audio playback system. Don't compromise the recording on the CD mastering end. When I'm at home I listen to vinyl and that's a completely different animal altogether! And it's absurd to suggest that people should have to use a compromised and balky format like LP, in order to get a semblance of natural dynamic range in their home audio. OTOH, many people simply LIKE LP. Or, they have favorite LP performances that have never (or likely WILL never) appear on CD. |
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