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How in the hell do you mic a bagpipe???
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How in the hell do you mic a bagpipe???
Ryan Richards (Diesel Breath) wrote: ??? From a very long distance.. |
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:07:25 GMT, "Ryan Richards \(Diesel Breath\)"
wrote: ??? Couple'a'miles just about does it. d _____________________________ http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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"Rob Adelman" wrote in message
... Ryan Richards (Diesel Breath) wrote: ??? From a very long distance.. Like the old joke: Why do bagpipe players walk around as they play? To try and get away from the noise. |
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??? Why would you need to? Why would you want to? Have the piper stand in the street ,close the studio door, lock the studio door. Seriously-- The last one I recorded was 108 dB at the piper's ear. What you need to do is plug one ear, ( it's tempting to plug both) and find the place where the sound balances between the drones and the chanter. Put the microphone there and hit record. Ideally the pipes (The big Highland ones) are an outdoor instrument, and sound better there. Richard H. Kuschel "I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty |
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:19:35 GMT, "Ricky W. Hunt"
wrote: "Rob Adelman" wrote in message ... Ryan Richards (Diesel Breath) wrote: ??? From a very long distance.. Like the old joke: Why do bagpipe players walk around as they play? To try and get away from the noise. That isn't it. It is because a moving target is much harder to hit. d _____________________________ http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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Please limit your exposu
http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breakin...5747-6699r.htm In rec.audio.pro, "Ryan Richards \(Diesel Breath\)" wrote: ??? ----- http://mindspring.com/~benbradley |
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Ryan Richards \(Diesel Breath\) wrote: ??? What kind of pipe? Highland pipe, Uilleann pipe, or some of the other odd ones? For the Highland pipes, you put it in a big room and you mike the room. Sound comes out of a bunch of different places in the instrument and you need the room to mix them all up. You can also mike it outside in front of a wall to get a good blend. This is, of course, for recording. You don't need any sound reinforcement with the highland pipes. The quieter pipes are less hard to deal with because they are quieter and generally start out with less harsh a tone. With the Uilleann pipes there is really one pipe and one chanter, and all the sound comes out the front except for one low note. Again, I think it's best to pull back and get everything with one mike, but you don't have to get anywhere near as far back and four or five feet is enough. I have not see any good way of miking the Uilleann pipes for PA. Most folks put a single mike between the performer's legs, pointed up, and this does not work worth a damn. Putting lavs on the pipe and chanter gives you a lot of thumping, wheezing, and banging. I've tried a pair of 441s on either side of the performer pulled a little bit back, but these guys are usually dealing with high stage levels playing live so leakage becomes a big issue. The miniature Breton pipes are more or less the same problem for PA work. I don't know anything about the Galician pipes, really, but if certain people would show up to their gigs on time I might learn something about them rather than sticking them in front of a 57. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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ChuxGarage wrote:
You don't need any sound reinforcement with the highland pipes. That depends on the situation. I have had good results for PA using two mikes. One is placed in front of the player and low to pick up the "Drone." The other is up high and behind the piper to pick up the sound from the pipes. Neither of these mics should be very close to the player. A short stand like you'd use for a drum kit works great for the Drone. A boom stand two or three feet away is fine for the pipes. Was this for antipersonnel use, or were you employing it against aircraft? --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... I don't know anything about the Galician pipes, really, but if certain people would show up to their gigs on time I might learn something about them rather than sticking them in front of a 57. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." HAH! The eternal RAP question has been answered! From now on, when someone says, "That Scott Dorsey - is there ANYTHING he doesn't know?" we can answer confidently, "Well, he doesn't know anything about Galician pipes, really." :-) Bill Balmer |
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I have played pipes for about 35 years and also play small pipes and
Uillean somewhat, and own a studio that has recorded quite a few players. If your recording is going to be solo pipes, probably 2 mics would be the best. One about 3 - 4 feet in front about chanter height, and one about 8 feet up and 8 feet back behind the player. This will give you some chanter/drone balance choices. If it is with other instruments, just the chanter mic. I have good luck with a Dragonfly into a Great River MP2NV. Don't use any compression, the volume difference on the chanter from top to bottom will make the drones pump wildly. My 2 cents anyway! Rob |
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It depends on the pipes, player, and desired sound. For Highland pipes I often
like to cheat and record as section of drones alone and overdub the chanter. It lets you fuss wih tuning more and offers more flexibility in the mix. I've also had good luck using an omni above and behind the drones and a full-bodied sounding large diaphragm condenser on the chanter. Regardless, they'll still sound like bagpipes. You can't do much about that. Joe Egan EMP Colchester, VT www.eganmedia.com |
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EganMedia" wrote in message
... It depends on the pipes, player, and desired sound. For Highland pipes I often like to cheat and record as section of drones alone and overdub the chanter. It lets you fuss wih tuning more and offers more flexibility in the mix. I've also had good luck using an omni above and behind the drones and a full-bodied sounding large diaphragm condenser on the chanter. Regardless, they'll still sound like bagpipes. You can't do much about that. Ever hear the soundtrack from "Braveheart"? Those pipes sound AMAZING. How did they do it? Steve Holt INNER MUSIC Music Creation & Production http://www.inner-music.com http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/steveholt |
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There is a PDQ Bach work that uses both lute and bagpipe. Friendly Professor
Peter Schickele points out that merely having the bagpipe in the same room as the lute renders the lute inaudible -- even when the bagpipe _isn't_ playing. The idea of miking a bagpipe is Just Too Weird. I have had good results for PA using two mikes. Was this for antipersonnel use, or were you employing it against aircraft? |
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Steve Holt wrote: Ever hear the soundtrack from "Braveheart"? Those pipes sound AMAZING. How did they do it? 90 db pad on the microphone ;-I |
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For war pipes -- yeah, record the room. And stay the hell out. I once recorded a band with 8 pipers and 3 drummers. It was louder than the time I saw the Who. Ballroom. Evening party for the Highland Games, and the winning bands in each category march in and play-one band at a time, thank goodness. I've had to mic warpipes for PA, and usually a pair of mics, one floating above the drones, and one off the front of the chanter, as far back as the system can tolerate. I've had very good luck with Uilean pipes by just one condensor off in front, typically a foot or so. Best regards, John Halliburton |
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The last time I recorded a full size bagpipe I put a U87 about 4 feet behind
the player. It took the edge off the sound and worked quite nicely. The smaller Uiliean (sp?) ones can be miked frontally prett well, but off axis and at least 4-6 feet away. Ted Spencer, NYC "No amount of classical training will ever teach you what's so cool about "Tighten Up" by Archie Bell And The Drells" -author unknown |
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"Ryan Richards (Diesel Breath)" wrote:
??? "Windage and elevation, Mrs. Langdon, windage and elevation." - the Duke. -- Les Cargill |
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"Ryan Richards (Diesel Breath)" wrote in message ... ??? depends are you recording or doing live sound if your recording I would take a omni to it if your doing live the melody of the pipe come out the chanter thisis where the fingers are the drones that stick over thier heads generally do not need mics for live reinforcment I just finished a 2 cd set of the pipe and drum competetion at the CNY scottish game and would be happy to send it out to any real pipe and drum competition fans \NO CLASS 1 Bands classes 2-5 only the recording was made with two neumann 184s in a xy position and a 103 between them elevated about 10 feet over the compition circle and about 20 feet away(I was not allowed to put mics on the 'feild" also Have the massing of bands and the sound of rain falling on the plastic bag I had to cover the mics with 2/3 of the way through the show Peace george |
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I don't know anything about the Galician pipes, really, but if certain people would show up to their gigs on time I might learn something about them rather than sticking them in front of a 57. I just finished a Tour with the "old blind Dogs" as for live Rory had a set of Galician pipes called a Gaita and live a m88 at the chanter worked just fine the hard part was balancing the galician pipes against Malcoms(bare flesh) finger picked guitar against the throbbing Djembe and a fiddle Fun stuff Rory also played various big and small whistles some of which he processed with a wah wah you think you got your monitors all rung out then he sweeps the long sustained tone on the whistle with the Wah I am definitly a beeter engineer now than I was before the tour LOL George |
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"Ryan Richards (Diesel Breath)" wrote in message
... ??? Bagpipes aren't an instrument, they are artillery. ryanm |
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"Steve Holt" wrote in message
.. . EganMedia" wrote in message ... It depends on the pipes, player, and desired sound. For Highland pipes I often like to cheat and record as section of drones alone and overdub the chanter. It lets you fuss wih tuning more and offers more flexibility in the mix. I've also had good luck using an omni above and behind the drones and a full-bodied sounding large diaphragm condenser on the chanter. Regardless, they'll still sound like bagpipes. You can't do much about that. Ever hear the soundtrack from "Braveheart"? Those pipes sound AMAZING. How did they do it? I recall there was some controversy, because they recorded Uillean rather than the big Highland pipes. I might be mistaken on that, though. Another bit ot trivia; U.S. law forbids any kind of import tax on bagpipes. I love the sound of bagpipes at a distance. The greater the distance, the more I love it. dtk |
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" AT" wrote:
are there bagpipes in hell? No, the devil is cruel, but he's not crazy. It's strictly an export item for him. There are banjos there, all 4 string tenor banjos, but no flat picks. Harvey Gerst Indian Trail Recording Studio http://www.ITRstudio.com/ |
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"dt king" wrote in message
ink.net... I love the sound of bagpipes at a distance. The greater the distance, the more I love it. dtk This gets my vote for best bagpipe joke. |
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I measured 112dBA peaks at the pipers' ears and 110dBA 2 feet over the
side drum heads. That's bad, but not as bad as a friend of mine measured. When his band was at its peak, the sound level over his drums was 140dB (admittedly with a fast-response meter). By the way, my friend's band is better known as the St. Louis Symphony Orchestra. I forget what he said they were playing; Stravinsky or Mahler, I think. Peace, Paul |
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Y'all lissen up now. As usual, the man knows what he is talking about.
Harv's from Texas, and it's only a short distance to Hell from there. On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 22:56:15 -0500, Harvey Gerst wrote: " AT" wrote: are there bagpipes in hell? No, the devil is cruel, but he's not crazy. It's strictly an export item for him. There are banjos there, all 4 string tenor banjos, but no flat picks. Harvey Gerst Indian Trail Recording Studio http://www.ITRstudio.com/ Willie K. Yee, M.D. http://www.bestweb.net/~wkyee Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http://www.pkc.com Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http://www.bigbluebigband.org |
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ignatz wrote: I love the sound of bagpipes at a distance. The greater the distance, the more I love it. dtk This gets my vote for best bagpipe joke. Agreed, that was a good one. |
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 22:56:15 -0500, Harvey Gerst
wrote: No, the devil is cruel, but he's not crazy. It's strictly an export item for him. There are banjos there, all 4 string tenor banjos, but no flat picks. Hey wait a minute, I resemble that remark! Paul Gitlitz Glitchless Productions www.glitchless.net |
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On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 22:56:15 -0500, Harvey Gerst wrote: No, the devil is cruel, but he's not crazy. It's strictly an export item for him. There are banjos there, all 4 string tenor banjos, but no flat picks. When I get there, my Guild Artist Award will be waiting. The devil will be standing there with a ****-eating grin on his face, knowing that no matter how much I practice, I will never get any better. Hmmm. Almost like now. Willie K. Yee, M.D. http://www.bestweb.net/~wkyee Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http://www.pkc.com Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http://www.bigbluebigband.org |
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Harvey Gerst wrote:
tttttttttttttt (Willie K.Yee, M.D.) wrote: Y'all lissen up now. As usual, the man knows what he is talking about. Harv's from Texas, and it's only a short distance to Hell from there. Yup, not sure exactly where it is, but the devil sends us a lot of heavy metal bands to record. I know most of them are from hell. My own experience would lead me to believe that it's somewhere not too far from West Texas in August. |
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"Doc" wrote in message om... (ChuxGarage) wrote in message ... A pair of SM-57's work about as well as anything. Won't the pipes sound best if the mics aren't plugged in? Most likely, but only from a great distance. I wonder what the musical 'style' is - straight BP or BP-rock fusion. Didn't work for Peter Gabriel, and he would have got it right if possible. Just listen to that track on his latest, and you must agreee BPs just don't sit well with BDs and BGs by *any* stretch of the imagination. One of the worst sounds in the greater universe .... geoff |
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In rec.audio.pro, (Doc) wrote:
(ChuxGarage) wrote in message ... A pair of SM-57's work about as well as anything. Won't the pipes sound best if the mics aren't plugged in? But why waste that power? Plug the mics into an inverter and put some extra electrical power into the grid. I'm disappointed no one commented on the link I posted earler that says bagpipes could lead to alcoholism. The story is every bit as good as anything in this thread, and it appears to be absolutely serious. Just for reference, here it is again: http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breakin...5747-6699r.htm ----- http://mindspring.com/~benbradley |
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"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote in message ... "Doc" wrote in message om... (ChuxGarage) wrote in message ... A pair of SM-57's work about as well as anything. Won't the pipes sound best if the mics aren't plugged in? Most likely, but only from a great distance. I wonder what the musical 'style' is - straight BP or BP-rock fusion. Didn't work for Peter Gabriel, and he would have got it right if possible. Just listen to that track on his latest, and you must agreee BPs just don't sit well with BDs and BGs by *any* stretch of the imagination. One of the worst sounds in the greater universe .... geoff Maybe an exception to the 'rule' but our lead singer/piper Tim and the guitarist Shane recorded highland pipes on a song called 'Mary' this year and the result was very impressive and beautiful, both the performance and recording quality. It's a really enjoyable thing to listen to. And if I would get my ass off the internet and into the studio, the album might get finished sooner and you'll all be able to hear what I'm talking about! John L Rice |
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Ben Bradley wrote:
I'm disappointed no one commented on the link I posted earler that says bagpipes could lead to alcoholism. I thought it was the other way 'round: alcoholism leads to bagpipes. No? -- ha |
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Ben Bradley wrote:
Just for reference, here it is again: http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breakin...5747-6699r.htm Okay, I read it; I think some of those docs need to learn that life is terminal. Might as well enjoy it while it lasts. They talk as if divorce is always a bad thing. -- ha |
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Ben Bradley wrote:
I'm disappointed no one commented on the link I posted earler that says bagpipes could lead to alcoholism. The story is every bit as good as anything in this thread, and it appears to be absolutely serious. Just for reference, here it is again: http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breakin...5747-6699r.htm Missed it the first time 'round. Don't really know what to say--the tone certainly SEEMS serious, but the words look as if could almost be culled from a random sampling of other articles with the substitution of 'bagpipes' or 'pipers' for other sentence subjects/objects. |
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