The full text of this article is available from Google at

http://groups.google.com/googlegroup...ing_style.html
----------------------------------------------------------
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Google Groups - Posting Style Guide

The Do's and Don'ts of Posting on Google Groups

The easiest way to learn what's acceptable on Usenet is by watching how
others use it. Once you've read a few hundred posts and witnessed a few
flame wars erupt, you should get a feel for what's appropriate and
what's not. To help you get there a bit faster (and to make sure you
don't unintentionally set off a flame war of your own), we've included
some basic tips that will help you fit into the Usenet community more
easily. This guide is adapted from the very helpful "A Primer on How to
Work With the Usenet Community" by Chuq Von Rospach. For a more complete
guide to Usenet posting rules, search on Google Groups for 'usenet
posting rules' or just click here.

The cheat sheet for posting on Usenet

* Never forget that the person on the other side is human.
* Don't assume that a person is speaking for their organization.
* Be careful what you say about others.
* Be brief.
* Write well.
* Use descriptive subject lines.
* Think about your audience.
* Be careful with humor and sarcasm.
* Only post a message once.
* Use mail instead of posting a follow-up.
* Summarize what you are following up.
* Cite appropriate references.
* Mark answers or spoilers.
* Limit line length and avoid control characters.
* Please do not use Usenet as an advertising medium.
* Avoid posting to multiple newsgroups.

Never forget that the person on the other side is human.

Because your interaction is through a computer it is easy to forget that
there are people "out there." Situations arise in which emotions erupt
into a verbal free-for-all that can lead to hurt feelings. Please
remember that people all over the world are reading your words. Do not
attack people if you cannot persuade them with your presentation of the
facts. If you are upset at something or someone, wait until you have had
a chance to calm down and think about it. Try not to say anything to
others you would not say to them in person in a room full of people.

Don't assume that a person is speaking for their organization.
Many people who post to Usenet do so from machines at their office or
school. Despite that, never assume that the person is speaking for the
organization that they are posting their articles from (unless the
person explicitly says so). Some people put explicit disclaimers to this
effect in their messages, but this is a good general rule. If you find
an article offensive, consider taking it up with the person directly, or
ignoring it.

Be careful what you say about others.
You read these posts; so do millions of other people. This group quite
possibly includes people you know and care about. Information posted on
the net can come back to haunt you or the person you are talking about.
Think twice before you post personal information about yourself or
others. Posting personal information even in the most innocuous groups
can be extremely hazardous. If you don't want it known by a large
segment of the world's population, don't post it.

Be brief.
Never say in ten words what you can say in fewer. The longer you make
your article, the fewer people will bother to read it.

Write well.
Most people on Usenet will know you only by what you say and how well
you say it. Take the time to make sure your posting will not embarrass
you later. Minimize spelling errors and make sure the article is easy to
read and understand. Avoid the temptation to WRITE IN ALL CAPS when you
want to make a point. Writing is an art that requires practice. You are
your words on Usenet. Choose them carefully.

Use descriptive subject lines.
The subject line enables a person with limited time to decide whether or
not to read your article. A title like "Car for Sale" posted to
rec.autos doesn't convey as much as "66 MG Midget for sale: Campbell
CA". Keep your subjects short and to the point.

Think about your audience.
When you post an article, think about the people you are trying to
reach. Asking UNIX questions on rec.autos will not reach as many of the
people you want to reach as if you asked them on comp.unix.questions or
comp.unix.internals. Try to get the most appropriate audience for your
message, not the widest.

It is considered bad form to post to a general interest group like
misc.misc, soc.net-people, or misc.wanted and then post the same message
to some other, more targeted newsgroup. If it belongs in the targeted
newsgroup, it does not belong in the broader one.

If your message is of interest to a limited geographic area (apartments,
car sales, meetings, concerts, etc...), restrict the distribution of the
message to your local area. Look for newsgroups targeting users
interested in your particular geographic region.

Be familiar with the group you are posting to before you post. You
shouldn't post to groups you do not read, or post to groups you've only
read a few articles from - you may not be familiar with the ongoing
conventions and themes of the group. One normally does not join a
conversation by just walking up and talking. Instead, listen first and
then join in if you have something pertinent to contribute.

Be careful with humor and sarcasm.
Without the voice inflections and body language of personal
communications, it is easy for a remark meant to be funny to be
misinterpreted. Subtle humor tends to get lost, so take steps to make
sure that people realize you are trying to be funny. The net has
developed symbols called emoticons to help convey emotions. A common one
is :-) for a smiley face (look at it sideways) which should be
interpreted as 'this is meant to be funny'.

Be aware that frequently satire is posted without any explicit warnings.
If you find an article outrageous, ask yourself if it may be
intentionally inflammatory. Don't post a self-righteous rebuttal if you
suspect someone is just fishing for users with low humor thresholds.

Only post a message once.
Avoid posting messages to more than one newsgroup unless you are sure it
is appropriate. If you do post to multiple newsgroups, do not post to
each group separately. Instead, specify all the groups on a single copy
of the message. This reduces network overhead and lets people who
subscribe to more than one of those groups see the message once instead
of having to wade through each copy.

Use mail instead of posting a follow-up.
Frequently, when someone asks a question, many people send out identical
answers. This leads to congestion and confusion. It's better to email
your answer directly to the poster and suggest they summarize to the
network. That way, others only see a single copy of the answer, no
matter how many people respond. Just click on the author's name in the
article view to launch an email form.

Summarize what you are following up.
When you follow up an existing article, Google Groups includes the full
article in quotes, with the cursor at the top of the article. Tempting
though it is to just start typing your message, please STOP and do two
things first. Look at the quoted text and delete parts that are
irrelevant. Then, go to the BOTTOM of the article and start typing
there. Doing this makes it much easier for your readers to get through
your post. They'll have a reminder of the relevant text before your
comment, but won't have to re-read the entire article. And if your reply
appears on a site before the original article does, they'll get the gist
of what you're talking about.

Cite appropriate references.
If you are using facts to support a cause, state where they came from.
Don't take someone else's ideas and use them as your own. You don't want
someone pretending that your ideas are theirs; show them the same
respect. For example, much of this FAQ was derived from a post that has
been widely disseminated across Usenet. You can find that post here.

Mark answers and spoilers.
When you post something that might spoil a surprise for other people
(like a movie review that gives away the ending), please mark your
message with a warning so that readers can skip the message if they
don't want to know that particular detail.

Limit line length and avoid control characters.
Try to keep your lines of text to less than 80 characters for optimal
readability. If people quote part of your article in a followup, short
lines will show up better. Hitting return when you get to the end of the
Google Groups entry form will put a line break after each 80 characters.

Please do not use Usenet as an advertising medium.
Advertisements on Usenet are rarely appreciated. In general, the louder
or more inappropriate the ad is, the more antagonism it stirs up. Just
think how annoying it is to you to have your evening meal interrupted by
a telemarketer. The feeling is the same when someone posts inappropriate
commercial messages in a newsgroup. If in doubt, don't do it.

Avoid posting to multiple newsgroups.

Few things annoy Usenet readers as much as multiple copies of a posting
appearing in multiple newsgroups (called "spamming"). A posting that is
cross-posted (i.e. lists multiple newsgroups on the Newsgroups: header
line) to a few appropriate newsgroups is fine, but even with
cross-posts, restraint is advised.


----------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------

There is also a brief history of usenet he

http://groups.google.com/googlegroups/basics.html


....which includes this quotable quote:

"It turns out there is such a thing as a stupid question. It's the one
that gets asked right after someone answered it for the 100th time in a
newsgroup discussion. Most discussion forums have a Frequently Asked
Questions (FAQ) section where commonly asked questions are posted and
answered. You'll likely want to read this first upon entering a new
group, to ensure your question isn't treated like spam (junk mail).
Spammers frequently receive flame mail (heated retorts of a personally
demeaning nature) directing them to please read the FAQ. One way to find
the FAQ, is to enter "faq" and the name of the discussion forum in
search box. You should get back a list of results containing the FAQ if
one exists."



--
thelizman "I didn't steal the FAQ either"

Before you ask a question, check the FAQs for this newsgroup at
http://www.mobileaudio.com/rac-faq. It contains over a decade and
a half of knowledge.

teamROCS Car Audio Forums http://www.teamrocs.com/caraudio/
teamROCS Car Audio News http://www.teamrocs.com/news/
"It's about the music, stupid"

This post is Copyright (C) 2004. Reproduction of its content anywhere
other than usenet without the express written permission of the author
is forbidden.

it's about time someone took their so called experience and put it to good
use

now if we could only get your homely sidekick paco to play nice....
"thelizman" wrote in message
...
The full text of this article is available from Google at

http://groups.google.com/googlegroup...ing_style.html
----------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------

Google Groups - Posting Style Guide

The Do's and Don'ts of Posting on Google Groups

The easiest way to learn what's acceptable on Usenet is by watching how
others use it. Once you've read a few hundred posts and witnessed a few
flame wars erupt, you should get a feel for what's appropriate and
what's not. To help you get there a bit faster (and to make sure you
don't unintentionally set off a flame war of your own), we've included
some basic tips that will help you fit into the Usenet community more
easily. This guide is adapted from the very helpful "A Primer on How to
Work With the Usenet Community" by Chuq Von Rospach. For a more complete
guide to Usenet posting rules, search on Google Groups for 'usenet
posting rules' or just click here.

The cheat sheet for posting on Usenet

* Never forget that the person on the other side is human.
* Don't assume that a person is speaking for their organization.
* Be careful what you say about others.
* Be brief.
* Write well.
* Use descriptive subject lines.
* Think about your audience.
* Be careful with humor and sarcasm.
* Only post a message once.
* Use mail instead of posting a follow-up.
* Summarize what you are following up.
* Cite appropriate references.
* Mark answers or spoilers.
* Limit line length and avoid control characters.
* Please do not use Usenet as an advertising medium.
* Avoid posting to multiple newsgroups.

Never forget that the person on the other side is human.

Because your interaction is through a computer it is easy to forget that
there are people "out there." Situations arise in which emotions erupt
into a verbal free-for-all that can lead to hurt feelings. Please
remember that people all over the world are reading your words. Do not
attack people if you cannot persuade them with your presentation of the
facts. If you are upset at something or someone, wait until you have had
a chance to calm down and think about it. Try not to say anything to
others you would not say to them in person in a room full of people.

Don't assume that a person is speaking for their organization.
Many people who post to Usenet do so from machines at their office or
school. Despite that, never assume that the person is speaking for the
organization that they are posting their articles from (unless the
person explicitly says so). Some people put explicit disclaimers to this
effect in their messages, but this is a good general rule. If you find
an article offensive, consider taking it up with the person directly, or
ignoring it.

Be careful what you say about others.
You read these posts; so do millions of other people. This group quite
possibly includes people you know and care about. Information posted on
the net can come back to haunt you or the person you are talking about.
Think twice before you post personal information about yourself or
others. Posting personal information even in the most innocuous groups
can be extremely hazardous. If you don't want it known by a large
segment of the world's population, don't post it.

Be brief.
Never say in ten words what you can say in fewer. The longer you make
your article, the fewer people will bother to read it.

Write well.
Most people on Usenet will know you only by what you say and how well
you say it. Take the time to make sure your posting will not embarrass
you later. Minimize spelling errors and make sure the article is easy to
read and understand. Avoid the temptation to WRITE IN ALL CAPS when you
want to make a point. Writing is an art that requires practice. You are
your words on Usenet. Choose them carefully.

Use descriptive subject lines.
The subject line enables a person with limited time to decide whether or
not to read your article. A title like "Car for Sale" posted to
rec.autos doesn't convey as much as "66 MG Midget for sale: Campbell
CA". Keep your subjects short and to the point.

Think about your audience.
When you post an article, think about the people you are trying to
reach. Asking UNIX questions on rec.autos will not reach as many of the
people you want to reach as if you asked them on comp.unix.questions or
comp.unix.internals. Try to get the most appropriate audience for your
message, not the widest.

It is considered bad form to post to a general interest group like
misc.misc, soc.net-people, or misc.wanted and then post the same message
to some other, more targeted newsgroup. If it belongs in the targeted
newsgroup, it does not belong in the broader one.

If your message is of interest to a limited geographic area (apartments,
car sales, meetings, concerts, etc...), restrict the distribution of the
message to your local area. Look for newsgroups targeting users
interested in your particular geographic region.

Be familiar with the group you are posting to before you post. You
shouldn't post to groups you do not read, or post to groups you've only
read a few articles from - you may not be familiar with the ongoing
conventions and themes of the group. One normally does not join a
conversation by just walking up and talking. Instead, listen first and
then join in if you have something pertinent to contribute.

Be careful with humor and sarcasm.
Without the voice inflections and body language of personal
communications, it is easy for a remark meant to be funny to be
misinterpreted. Subtle humor tends to get lost, so take steps to make
sure that people realize you are trying to be funny. The net has
developed symbols called emoticons to help convey emotions. A common one
is :-) for a smiley face (look at it sideways) which should be
interpreted as 'this is meant to be funny'.

Be aware that frequently satire is posted without any explicit warnings.
If you find an article outrageous, ask yourself if it may be
intentionally inflammatory. Don't post a self-righteous rebuttal if you
suspect someone is just fishing for users with low humor thresholds.

Only post a message once.
Avoid posting messages to more than one newsgroup unless you are sure it
is appropriate. If you do post to multiple newsgroups, do not post to
each group separately. Instead, specify all the groups on a single copy
of the message. This reduces network overhead and lets people who
subscribe to more than one of those groups see the message once instead
of having to wade through each copy.

Use mail instead of posting a follow-up.
Frequently, when someone asks a question, many people send out identical
answers. This leads to congestion and confusion. It's better to email
your answer directly to the poster and suggest they summarize to the
network. That way, others only see a single copy of the answer, no
matter how many people respond. Just click on the author's name in the
article view to launch an email form.

Summarize what you are following up.
When you follow up an existing article, Google Groups includes the full
article in quotes, with the cursor at the top of the article. Tempting
though it is to just start typing your message, please STOP and do two
things first. Look at the quoted text and delete parts that are
irrelevant. Then, go to the BOTTOM of the article and start typing
there. Doing this makes it much easier for your readers to get through
your post. They'll have a reminder of the relevant text before your
comment, but won't have to re-read the entire article. And if your reply
appears on a site before the original article does, they'll get the gist
of what you're talking about.

Cite appropriate references.
If you are using facts to support a cause, state where they came from.
Don't take someone else's ideas and use them as your own. You don't want
someone pretending that your ideas are theirs; show them the same
respect. For example, much of this FAQ was derived from a post that has
been widely disseminated across Usenet. You can find that post here.

Mark answers and spoilers.
When you post something that might spoil a surprise for other people
(like a movie review that gives away the ending), please mark your
message with a warning so that readers can skip the message if they
don't want to know that particular detail.

Limit line length and avoid control characters.
Try to keep your lines of text to less than 80 characters for optimal
readability. If people quote part of your article in a followup, short
lines will show up better. Hitting return when you get to the end of the
Google Groups entry form will put a line break after each 80 characters.

Please do not use Usenet as an advertising medium.
Advertisements on Usenet are rarely appreciated. In general, the louder
or more inappropriate the ad is, the more antagonism it stirs up. Just
think how annoying it is to you to have your evening meal interrupted by
a telemarketer. The feeling is the same when someone posts inappropriate
commercial messages in a newsgroup. If in doubt, don't do it.

Avoid posting to multiple newsgroups.

Few things annoy Usenet readers as much as multiple copies of a posting
appearing in multiple newsgroups (called "spamming"). A posting that is
cross-posted (i.e. lists multiple newsgroups on the Newsgroups: header
line) to a few appropriate newsgroups is fine, but even with
cross-posts, restraint is advised.


----------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------

There is also a brief history of usenet he

http://groups.google.com/googlegroups/basics.html


...which includes this quotable quote:

"It turns out there is such a thing as a stupid question. It's the one
that gets asked right after someone answered it for the 100th time in a
newsgroup discussion. Most discussion forums have a Frequently Asked
Questions (FAQ) section where commonly asked questions are posted and
answered. You'll likely want to read this first upon entering a new
group, to ensure your question isn't treated like spam (junk mail).
Spammers frequently receive flame mail (heated retorts of a personally
demeaning nature) directing them to please read the FAQ. One way to find
the FAQ, is to enter "faq" and the name of the discussion forum in
search box. You should get back a list of results containing the FAQ if
one exists."



--
thelizman "I didn't steal the FAQ either"

Before you ask a question, check the FAQs for this newsgroup at
http://www.mobileaudio.com/rac-faq. It contains over a decade and
a half of knowledge.

teamROCS Car Audio Forums http://www.teamrocs.com/caraudio/
teamROCS Car Audio News http://www.teamrocs.com/news/
"It's about the music, stupid"

This post is Copyright (C) 2004. Reproduction of its content anywhere
other than usenet without the express written permission of the author
is forbidden.

"delvryboy" wrote in message
...
it's about time someone took their so called experience and put it to good
use

now if we could only get your homely sidekick paco to play nice....
snip

If you're going to stay here, you're going to have to learn that sancho is
going to pick on you, but that's half the fun of the RAC experience.

--
narcolept
teamROCS #135
Visit the teamROCS forums at:
http://www.teamrocs.com/caraudio

"narcolept" wrote in message
...

"delvryboy" wrote in message
...
it's about time someone took their so called experience and put it to
good
use

now if we could only get your homely sidekick paco to play nice....
snip

If you're going to stay here, you're going to have to learn that sancho is
going to pick on you, but that's half the fun of the RAC experience.

and, MOTHER****ER, i'm pretty !!!

thelizman wrote:
*delvryboy wrote:
it's about time someone took their so called experience and put i
to good
use

now if we could only get your homely sidekick paco to pla
nice....

You're clueless.

I copied that from Google. I even posted the links and attribution
It
would have taken you and all your CAF buddies 30 seconds of effor
(god
forbid) to find that. It is incumbent upon you to make sure you are
conforming to the expectations of this forum, not the other wa
around.*
Yes and no.

Forum participation...
There are some typical things, do's and don'ts.

What you say, and dont' say.
Don't spam, don't flame... etc.

What your complaints have been are more with regard to things tha
aren't familiar to us.
For example, how would we know to look to Google for instructions o
how to post to Usenet?
You'd need to be familiar with Usenet to even know that much.
And you'd need to be familiar with RAC to even know it was on Usenet!
That's actually TWO layers removed...
There's been no respect for that here, by you.

Consider how we're getting he

It's a lot like walking down the street, seeing a cool looking bar
with a big arrow at the top pointing to down to it, blinking light
like Vegas's Fremont Street, saying "Enter Here!".
So... you enter!

...And immediately upon entering, you literally get "Damn you, man..
you *******! How dare you use THAT door, you ignorant *******! Yo
suck for using THAT door, what is wrong with you? God, I don't kno
how people like you exist in the world!"

...and in the meantime, you are scanning around this room, not seein
any other doors in or out...

Understand? ;-
-
geolemo
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online
View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/showthr...threadid=17914

geolemon wrote:

Consider how we're getting he

It's a lot like walking down the street, seeing a cool looking bar,
with a big arrow at the top pointing to down to it, blinking lights
like Vegas's Fremont Street, saying "Enter Here!".
So... you enter!

..And immediately upon entering, you literally get "Damn you, man...
you *******! How dare you use THAT door, you ignorant *******! You
suck for using THAT door, what is wrong with you? God, I don't know
how people like you exist in the world!"

You left out the part where you walked, took your pants off, and crapped
on the bar, then proceeded to **** on the bar patrons.

Your analogy sucks. You and your fellow CAFers trashed this forum, then
wonder why you were met with hostility?


..and in the meantime, you are scanning around this room, not seeing
any other doors in or out...

Understand? ;-)

The "door out" is to not use the RAC gateway on CAF.

--
thelizman "I didn't steal the FAQ either"

Before you ask a question, check the FAQs for this newsgroup at
http://www.mobileaudio.com/rac-faq. It contains over a decade and
a half of knowledge.

teamROCS Car Audio Forums http://www.teamrocs.com/caraudio/
teamROCS Car Audio News http://www.teamrocs.com/news/
"It's about the music, stupid"

This post is Copyright (C) 2004. Reproduction of its content anywhere
other than usenet without the express written permission of the author
is forbidden.

"geolemon" wrote in message
s.com...

Consider how we're getting he

we have...

It's a lot like walking down the street, seeing a cool looking bar,
with a big arrow at the top pointing to down to it, blinking lights
like Vegas's Fremont Street, saying "Enter Here!".
So... you enter!

snip

we didn't put that door there !!!
--
sancho
understand why we're upset?

delvryboy wrote:
it's about time someone took their so called experience and put it to good
use

now if we could only get your homely sidekick paco to play nice....

You're clueless.

I copied that from Google. I even posted the links and attribution. It
would have taken you and all your CAF buddies 30 seconds of effort (god
forbid) to find that. It is incumbent upon you to make sure you are
conforming to the expectations of this forum, not the other way around.

--
thelizman "I didn't steal the FAQ either"

Before you ask a question, check the FAQs for this newsgroup at
http://www.mobileaudio.com/rac-faq. It contains over a decade and
a half of knowledge.

teamROCS Car Audio Forums http://www.teamrocs.com/caraudio/
teamROCS Car Audio News http://www.teamrocs.com/news/
"It's about the music, stupid"

This post is Copyright (C) 2004. Reproduction of its content anywhere
other than usenet without the express written permission of the author
is forbidden.