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On Sat, 28 May 2005 15:21:35 -0700, Marko Shindler wrote:



Richard Crowley ha escrito:
"J. P. Morris" wrote ...
Whether Linux is the answer really depends on what you
want, and what your priorities are.
Linux has several advantages, and the obvious disadvantages that it
currently expects a technical user rather than any old moron.


And if you can't get it to work, you'll be relying on help from
people who think you are a moron. Good luck with that.


Exactly and this thread is a prime example of that.


No, it isn't.

Linux people as a whole are nasty, rabid zealots and I know this is a
sweeping statement, but there is much evidence of it being so and my
own experiences have proven it to me.


Linucx people as a whole are just like any other people. Some nice, some
nasty.

They are as a group, programmers, not musicians and they look down upon
anyone asking for help who doesn't have a degree in programming.


Absolutely wrong. Most of us don't have a degree in programming. I
certainnly don't. i use Linux because it's Free/Open and free from cost
and fun, and interesting

The Linux community has a difficult time understanding the concept of
the computer/operating system as a tool, or a means to an end.


Again, wrong. Linux is about tools - the whole Linux/unixlike concept is
about toolchains, and creating the tools *you* need and want, not adapting
yourself to the tools that are given to you.

They prefer instead to tinker with the computer instead of using
applications.


Wrong. It's true that Linux is great for tinkering, but it's just as good
for common or gargen variety tasks. It's an OS designed to be used, day
in, day out.

It's kind of a weird Star Wars/Trekie type oddball that gravitates
toward Linux.


Wrong. What you mean is, people who think for themselves rather than just
accepting what's shoved at them.



If one of your PCI cards flakes out and you have to replace it, Linux
won't hold the system hostage like Windows has to me, e.g.:


No. You'll just need to find one that is still in production that
has working Linux drivers. Good luck with that as well.


You don't know much about Linux, do you?


RME is the best card for Linux.
M-Audio is a close second.
Other than that? You are out of luck.


This is a classic example of how the Linux community at large will lie
through their teeth to sucker in yet another convert.


Wrong. Are you some sort of slave, that you can't make decisions for
yourself?

It's almost like the Hari Krishners for goodness sakes.


You claim to be a Linux user, yet you repeat lie after lie. That makes you
a troll.

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"Kier" wrote ...
Marko Shindler wrote:
They are as a group, programmers, not musicians and they
look down upon anyone asking for help who doesn't have a
degree in programming.


Absolutely wrong. Most of us don't have a degree in programming.
I certainnly don't. i use Linux because it's Free/Open and free from
cost and fun, and interesting


But many (most?) computer users don't want their operating system
to be "fun and interesting". Reardless of cost. They want it to just
work quietly in the background and let them get on with the primary
task at hand.

The Linux community has a difficult time understanding the
concept of the computer/operating system as a tool, or a means
to an end.


Again, wrong. Linux is about tools - the whole Linux/unixlike
concept is about toolchains, and creating the tools *you* need
and want, not adapting yourself to the tools that are given to you.


Again, many (most?) computer users don't have the time or talent to
develop (or even adapt) their own tools. Just as most of us don't
make our own electric drills or even screwdrivers. It seems like
many Linux zealots have a distorted view of the mainstream of
computer users. The fact that you excluded the practical users
(rec.audio.pro) from the "reply-to" would seem to support the
"Linux as an end in itself" worldview.
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Richard Crowley a écrit :
"Kier" wrote ...

Marko Shindler wrote:

They are as a group, programmers, not musicians and they look down
upon anyone asking for help who doesn't have a degree in programming.



Absolutely wrong. Most of us don't have a degree in programming.
I certainnly don't. i use Linux because it's Free/Open and free from
cost and fun, and interesting



But many (most?) computer users don't want their operating system
to be "fun and interesting". Reardless of cost. They want it to just
work quietly in the background and let them get on with the primary task
at hand.

The Linux community has a difficult time understanding the
concept of the computer/operating system as a tool, or a means to an
end.



Again, wrong. Linux is about tools - the whole Linux/unixlike concept
is about toolchains, and creating the tools *you* need
and want, not adapting yourself to the tools that are given to you.



Again, many (most?) computer users don't have the time or talent to
develop (or even adapt) their own tools. Just as most of us don't
make our own electric drills or even screwdrivers. It seems like many
Linux zealots have a distorted view of the mainstream of computer
users. The fact that you excluded the practical users (rec.audio.pro)
from the "reply-to" would seem to support the "Linux as an end in
itself" worldview.

listen,
mandriva LE 2005 + nyvalls packages are very easy to install,
easier than windows...
ardour is a pro tools like
audacity is a soundforge like etc...
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On Sat, 28 May 2005 17:41:01 -0500, Andrew wrote:

On Sat, 28 May 2005 13:36:58 -0700, Marko Shindler wrote:

Linux?
Do you want to create music or twiddle with your computer? Linux
currently has at least 5 different sound servers, none of which talk to
each other. If you are interested in low latency you will have to run
Jack which is supposedly a low latency sound server that uses ALSA (one
of the Linux sound systems) to interface with your audio hardware. The
entire thing is one gigantic mess that requires endless care and
feeding.
How do I know?
I tried to do the very same thing about a month ago and finally gave up
because I found myself spending more time trying to make things work
than creating music.





I dunno anything about sound processing, but I know there are similar
problems with other categories of software. There is some discussion
going on right now over at debianhelp.org about the failure of the open
source movement to produce enough decent software.


It's not that simple, though, is it? For a start, who decides what's
decent software, and what's not? We all want stuff that works, obviously.
All some of us will want to do is string together some sound samples and
such, or play with midi synths, but others may wish to delve deep into the
mysteries of sound, right down to the most basic wave-forms. No one
program is ever going to address all needs at once.


One recommended solution was that we start paying programming teams to
come up with high-grade usable software that is released to the public
domain. This makes sense - we will not attract and hold new users unless
we start meeting their program needs and expectations. The last thing a
newcomer wants to see is massively buggy programs or a console and command
line programs.


That's true enough. Though there is always going to be a place for the
command line, I hope (I may not use it much myself, but I recognise its
importance). What we need is more musically-inclined users to get involved
in the community. When you think about it, music itself is a kind of
programming language, when it's written down.


I would imagine that a quality music processing suite (as sophisticated as
Open Office, Gimp or Mathematica) would go a long way to attracting new,
young users. What do you folks think?


I think you're quite right. More people that ever are creating content of
various kinds, rather than just being passive recipients of it, and to my
mind that's a good thing and should be encouraged. Creative expression of
all kinds can enrich people's lives.

(fup2COLA)

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Kier

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"perso" wrote ...
mandriva LE 2005 + nyvalls packages are very easy to install,
easier than windows...


Thanks. I'll download it and try it.

ardour is a pro tools like


And also claims to be "platform-neutral" so where is the Linux
advantage? Besides it also claims to be still in beta which is
saying a lot since many of the Linux apps I've seen that are in
"release" seem more like "public beta". Not very user-friendly
to people who want to just use the tools rather than help to
develop them.

audacity is a soundforge like etc...

The Windows version shows promise, but still has some UI
deficiencies.


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On Sat, 28 May 2005 14:08:02 -0700, Marko Shindler wrote:

They appear out of the woodwork like worms looking for a place to feed.


Who? You keep repeating this kindof nonsense, and you don't expect flames?
Come off it.

I'm convinced these Linux screwballs sit in waiting, just looking to
defend Linux.


There are no Linux screwballs, except in your head. That one phrase makes
it obvious you are a troll. Of course, Linux users are not going to sit
idely by while you lie about the OS.

Notice he hasn't said a word about your topic.
Sadly, this is a typical Linux screwball who can't see anything but
Linux and will lead unsuspecting noobs down the garden path in an
attempt to get them to switch to Linux.


Where's your proof of this silly statement? Unsuspecting noobs? Anyone
would think no new user had a functioning brain, capable of making a
decision for themselves.

These zealots unfortunately do much more harm than good.


No, it's people like you who do more harm than good, by lying and
trolling about Linux, misrepresenting it.

And don't ****ing top-post!!

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Marko Shindler wrote:
[snip - nonsense and FUD]

This guy reminds me of someone I keep running into on music forums. He
seems to think he knows every damn thing about Linux audio but when he
actually talks about it anyone that actually does can see he is full of
****. He also attacks anyone who says anything good about Linux as if
it where some religious issue with him; a nutcase in other words...a
Windows zealot. Same guy, different guy? Who knows.

I am a programmer AND a musician. I use Linux for all of my audio work.
It is true that there are several different sound servers, but only
one is used for any serious audio processing: Jack. All Linux audio
applications are moving to this system. The other sound servers are for
desktops and window managers like KDE and Enlightenment and are meant to
allow applications to make buzz sounds and ring bells. They are not
built for Linux audio and are not used in such applications.

Jack is more than a sound server also. It is more like ReWire (as it
has been described, I have no experience with it) is on Windows only
probably serves more purposes. It allows the interconnection of
numerous audio applications and allows them to communicate in
*real-time*. There is little latency, not humanly perceivable at any
rate, in a correctly configured Linux DAW using Jack and running dozens
of sound apps connected in complex networks. Even incorrectly
configured a Linux DAW can do a lot before you start seing latency and
xruns if it is on a reasonably newer computer...just don't try to browse
the web while recording.

Ardour is VERY stable, even on my AMD64. It used to be otherwise and
only ran well on 32 bit computers but now it has become very solid on
the 64.

I don't know anything about windows plugins so I won't get into a debate
about which is better. The Windows plugin architectures have been
around MUCH longer and may be more mature and probably have a lot more
options. LADSPA is maturing and there are many good plugins...more than
I ever need or use.

If you desperately need those VST plugins you can use some of them on 32
bit computers using a combination of Wine and VSTServer. Or on 64 bit
computers running in compat. or legacy mode. I have never done this
since I have no need and have a 64 bit computer - it would just be way
more work than worth because of the architecture.

So you tried and failed. Big whoop. Who are you? You are nobody. So
you run a webserver on Linux...my dog could run a webserver on
Linux...over half the world runs webservers on Linux. I have had the
misfortune of dealing with many a webserver running Linux administered
by some know-nothing bozo. It doesn't grant you any brownie points to
claim you run a webserver. Even if you where an enterprise level
network admin running something on the order of Google it wouldn't say
anything about your knowledge of Linux DAW...you have 1 admited month of
experience in which you GAVE UP....after 1 month...pathetic. It has
taken me a lot longer than that to learn audio processing and recording.
It takes a lot longer than that to truely learn a system built for
something as complicated and involved as DAW.

Linux makes a VERY good and inexpensive DAW. I use it daily. Is Linux
DAW for you? Obviously not. Is it for whoever originated this now
cross-posted thread, I don't know...and they won't until they try. Is it
as good as Pro-Tools or Cubebase? How the **** should I know...I never
needed them. Linux is different and it is good enough for me.
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Jeremy Fisher wrote:

Can anybody reccomend a card with linux drivers?


If you are really interested in Linux DAW, M-Audio or RME are the best
options it seems.


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perso ha escrito:

Hi

I'm actually thinking about a project of home studio, linux based.

Do you think Ardour could be a serious choice for a personal but
"serious" home studio ?


It has done great by me. It has done great by numerous others. You can
do pro level work with Linux if you want...it is up to the task and some
do.

When you ask these questions in recording and music forums though you
quite often run into people who wish to claim they know everything and
will bad mouth Linux every chance they get. Take everything they say
with the standard grain of salt.
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Noah Roberts a écrit :
perso ha escrito:

Hi

I'm actually thinking about a project of home studio, linux based.

Do you think Ardour could be a serious choice for a personal but
"serious" home studio ?



It has done great by me. It has done great by numerous others. You can
do pro level work with Linux if you want...it is up to the task and some
do.

When you ask these questions in recording and music forums though you
quite often run into people who wish to claim they know everything and
will bad mouth Linux every chance they get. Take everything they say
with the standard grain of salt.

;-)
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Noah Roberts a écrit :
Jeremy Fisher wrote:

Can anybody reccomend a card with linux drivers?



If you are really interested in Linux DAW, M-Audio or RME are the best
options it seems.


NB
and now with Delta 1O10 we can have a dual boot:

- winxp + PRo tools M powered
- linux + ardour

With the same soundcard
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Noah Roberts a écrit :
Marko Shindler wrote:
[snip - nonsense and FUD]

This guy reminds me of someone I keep running into on music forums. He
seems to think he knows every damn thing about Linux audio but when he
actually talks about it anyone that actually does can see he is full of
****. He also attacks anyone who says anything good about Linux as if
it where some religious issue with him; a nutcase in other words...a
Windows zealot. Same guy, different guy? Who knows.

I am a programmer AND a musician. I use Linux for all of my audio work.
It is true that there are several different sound servers, but only one
is used for any serious audio processing: Jack. All Linux audio
applications are moving to this system. The other sound servers are for
desktops and window managers like KDE and Enlightenment and are meant to
allow applications to make buzz sounds and ring bells. They are not
built for Linux audio and are not used in such applications.

Jack is more than a sound server also. It is more like ReWire (as it
has been described, I have no experience with it) is on Windows only
probably serves more purposes. It allows the interconnection of
numerous audio applications and allows them to communicate in
*real-time*. There is little latency, not humanly perceivable at any
rate, in a correctly configured Linux DAW using Jack and running dozens
of sound apps connected in complex networks. Even incorrectly
configured a Linux DAW can do a lot before you start seing latency and
xruns if it is on a reasonably newer computer...just don't try to browse
the web while recording.

Ardour is VERY stable, even on my AMD64. It used to be otherwise and
only ran well on 32 bit computers but now it has become very solid on
the 64.

I don't know anything about windows plugins so I won't get into a debate
about which is better. The Windows plugin architectures have been
around MUCH longer and may be more mature and probably have a lot more
options. LADSPA is maturing and there are many good plugins...more than
I ever need or use.

If you desperately need those VST plugins you can use some of them on 32
bit computers using a combination of Wine and VSTServer. Or on 64 bit
computers running in compat. or legacy mode. I have never done this
since I have no need and have a 64 bit computer - it would just be way
more work than worth because of the architecture.

So you tried and failed. Big whoop. Who are you? You are nobody. So
you run a webserver on Linux...my dog could run a webserver on
Linux...over half the world runs webservers on Linux. I have had the
misfortune of dealing with many a webserver running Linux administered
by some know-nothing bozo. It doesn't grant you any brownie points to
claim you run a webserver. Even if you where an enterprise level
network admin running something on the order of Google it wouldn't say
anything about your knowledge of Linux DAW...you have 1 admited month of
experience in which you GAVE UP....after 1 month...pathetic. It has
taken me a lot longer than that to learn audio processing and recording.
It takes a lot longer than that to truely learn a system built for
something as complicated and involved as DAW.

Linux makes a VERY good and inexpensive DAW. I use it daily. Is Linux
DAW for you? Obviously not. Is it for whoever originated this now
cross-posted thread, I don't know...and they won't until they try. Is it
as good as Pro-Tools or Cubebase? How the **** should I know...I never
needed them. Linux is different and it is good enough for me.


One detail: with my delta audio soundcard: (dual boot winxp/linux)
- winxp + drivers for win = 5 msec of latency
- linux agnula + jack with the same computer and card = 2msec of latency
regards/
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"Noah Roberts" wrote:

you have 1 admited month of experience in which you GAVE UP....after 1
month...pathetic.



If my DAW still wasn't working after a month, I'd be kicking in walls.
In fact, there's no way in hell I'd waste that much time on it.

Some of us have work to do and can't be dicking around for weeks to get
our tools working. For me to consider Linux, I'd have to know that
there's a Pro Tools / Nuendo equivalent ready to go "out of the box."

I have no opinion on Linux pro or con, but I'd suggest that there are
pretty good reasons why someone may choose not to pursue a development
cycle and instead just buy a package off the shelf.

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in the control room
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[Please don't crosspost to comp.os.linux.misc. They're inundated with
trolls].

On Sunday 29 May 2005 13:55, Noah Roberts
) wrote:

Marko Shindler wrote:
[snip - nonsense and FUD]

This guy reminds me of someone I keep running into on music forums.


"Marko Shindler" is definitely someone you keep running into, under a
variety of guises. Search Google Groups for "flatfish" and you'll see
he's a obsessive-compulsive troll.
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Arkady Duntov a écrit :
[Please don't crosspost to comp.os.linux.misc. They're inundated with
trolls].

On Sunday 29 May 2005 13:55, Noah Roberts
) wrote:


Marko Shindler wrote:
[snip - nonsense and FUD]

This guy reminds me of someone I keep running into on music forums.



"Marko Shindler" is definitely someone you keep running into, under a
variety of guises. Search Google Groups for "flatfish" and you'll see
he's a obsessive-compulsive troll.

thanks for the info
i'm new here, i didn't know
(and as i said, we can use ardour on linux, and also samplitude or sonar
or cubase with winXP : i don't where could be the problem...)


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On Sun, 29 May 2005 12:59:57 -0700, Noah Roberts wrote:

Jeremy Fisher wrote:

Can anybody reccomend a card with linux drivers?


If you are really interested in Linux DAW, M-Audio or RME are the best
options it seems.


The Echoaudio cards are good too, though only Darla20, Gina20, Layla20,
Darla24, Gina24, Layla24, Mona, Mia, Indigo, Indigo DJ, Indigo IO, Gina3G,
and Layla3G are supported.

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"perso" wrote in message news:429a22f1$0$3140

A zillion lines.... then

Linux makes a VERY good and inexpensive DAW. I use it daily. Is Linux
DAW for you? Obviously not. Is it for whoever originated this now
cross-posted thread, I don't know...and they won't until they try. Is it
as good as Pro-Tools or Cubebase? How the **** should I know...I never
needed them. Linux is different and it is good enough for me.


One detail: with my delta audio soundcard: (dual boot winxp/linux)
- winxp + drivers for win = 5 msec of latency
- linux agnula + jack with the same computer and card = 2msec of latency

regards/


WAs it you abusing smebody for top-posting a while back ? What about
trimming quoted material.

geoff


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Geoff Wood a écrit :
"perso" wrote in message news:429a22f1$0$3140

A zillion lines.... then


Linux makes a VERY good and inexpensive DAW. I use it daily. Is Linux
DAW for you? Obviously not. Is it for whoever originated this now
cross-posted thread, I don't know...and they won't until they try. Is it
as good as Pro-Tools or Cubebase? How the **** should I know...I never
needed them. Linux is different and it is good enough for me.


One detail: with my delta audio soundcard: (dual boot winxp/linux)
- winxp + drivers for win = 5 msec of latency
- linux agnula + jack with the same computer and card = 2msec of latency

regards/



WAs it you abusing smebody for top-posting a while back ? What about
trimming quoted material.

geoff


menfous
voilà maintenant à toi de traduire.


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philicorda a écrit :
On Sun, 29 May 2005 12:59:57 -0700, Noah Roberts wrote:


Jeremy Fisher wrote:


Can anybody reccomend a card with linux drivers?


If you are really interested in Linux DAW, M-Audio or RME are the best
options it seems.



The Echoaudio cards are good too, though only Darla20, Gina20, Layla20,
Darla24, Gina24, Layla24, Mona, Mia, Indigo, Indigo DJ, Indigo IO, Gina3G,
and Layla3G are supported.

thanks for the information.
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On Sun, 29 May 2005 12:59:57 -0700, Noah Roberts wrote:

Jeremy Fisher wrote:

Can anybody reccomend a card with linux drivers?


If you are really interested in Linux DAW, M-Audio or RME are the best
options it seems.


I have been told M-Audio is a good card as well, thanks for the input

Jem..

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Mike Rivers a écrit :
In article writes:


I am a programmer AND a musician. I use Linux for all of my audio work.
It is true that there are several different sound servers, but only
one is used for any serious audio processing: Jack. All Linux audio
applications are moving to this system.



Jack is more than a sound server also. It is more like ReWire (as it
has been described, I have no experience with it) is on Windows only
probably serves more purposes. It allows the interconnection of
numerous audio applications and allows them to communicate in
*real-time*.



Ardour is VERY stable, even on my AMD64. It used to be otherwise and
only ran well on 32 bit computers but now it has become very solid on
the 64.



So why hasn't some enterprising Linux/Ardour advocate put together an
Ardour distribution package that can be easily installed on a fresh
out of the box computer to provide a stable, capable DAW for less
money than ProTools, Nuendo, Samplitude, Cakewalk, and the like? Seems
like if Linux, Ardour, and the support programs are as solid as is
claimed, this could be a great deal for, say, $100 or so.

If the answer is "it's not so simple" then I think I've made a point.


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agnula demudi
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ready for music.
you can try Agnula LAC edition Live cd .
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In article znr1117410129k@trad, Mike Rivers wrote:

So why hasn't some enterprising Linux/Ardour advocate put together an
Ardour distribution package that can be easily installed on a fresh
out of the box computer to provide a stable, capable DAW for less
money than ProTools, Nuendo, Samplitude, Cakewalk, and the like? Seems
like if Linux, Ardour, and the support programs are as solid as is
claimed, this could be a great deal for, say, $100 or so.


They have. It comes with a Linux distribution that is very stripped
down and doesn't have a lot of other stuff available. It's free, and
I'll see if I can find the CD that someone gave me at a show.
--scott

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Scott Dorsey a écrit :
In article znr1117410129k@trad, Mike Rivers wrote:

So why hasn't some enterprising Linux/Ardour advocate put together an
Ardour distribution package that can be easily installed on a fresh
out of the box computer to provide a stable, capable DAW for less
money than ProTools, Nuendo, Samplitude, Cakewalk, and the like? Seems
like if Linux, Ardour, and the support programs are as solid as is
claimed, this could be a great deal for, say, $100 or so.



They have. It comes with a Linux distribution that is very stripped
down and doesn't have a lot of other stuff available. It's free, and
I'll see if I can find the CD that someone gave me at a show.
--scott

called Agnula
http://agnula.org/
you can try Agnula 1.2.1 RC1
regards
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On 30 May 2005 07:33:15 -0400,
Mike Rivers wrote:

In article writes:

I am a programmer AND a musician. I use Linux for all of my audio work.
It is true that there are several different sound servers, but only
one is used for any serious audio processing: Jack. All Linux audio
applications are moving to this system.


Jack is more than a sound server also. It is more like ReWire (as it
has been described, I have no experience with it) is on Windows only
probably serves more purposes. It allows the interconnection of
numerous audio applications and allows them to communicate in
*real-time*.


Ardour is VERY stable, even on my AMD64. It used to be otherwise and
only ran well on 32 bit computers but now it has become very solid on
the 64.


So why hasn't some enterprising Linux/Ardour advocate put together an
Ardour distribution package that can be easily installed on a fresh
out of the box computer to provide a stable, capable DAW for less
money than ProTools, Nuendo, Samplitude, Cakewalk, and the like? Seems
like if Linux, Ardour, and the support programs are as solid as is
claimed, this could be a great deal for, say, $100 or so.

If the answer is "it's not so simple" then I think I've made a point.


http://www.linuxmusician.com/index.php?option=articles&task=viewarticle&artid=1 3


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Scott Dorsey a écrit :
In article znr1117410129k@trad, Mike Rivers
wrote:

So why hasn't some enterprising Linux/Ardour advocate put together an
Ardour distribution package that can be easily installed on a fresh
out of the box computer to provide a stable, capable DAW for less
money than ProTools, Nuendo, Samplitude, Cakewalk, and the like?
Seems
like if Linux, Ardour, and the support programs are as solid as is
claimed, this could be a great deal for, say, $100 or so.



They have. It comes with a Linux distribution that is very stripped
down and doesn't have a lot of other stuff available. It's free, and
I'll see if I can find the CD that someone gave me at a show.
--scott

called Agnula
http://agnula.org/
you can try Agnula 1.2.1 RC1
regards


Interesting concept, but apparently "Some assembly requred."

On the "Applications" page http://www.agnula.org/packages/
I saw lots of "gui front ends" and "tookits" for synthisizer
applications, but nothing even remotely resembling a ready-
to-run recording/editing application (like Audacity, Ardour,
etc.) Did I miss something?

Is Linux not sophisticated enough to have a reasonably robust
installation that can be run on an average PC box? Is Linux (or
Ardour) not flexible enough to handle the majority of typical
sound cards?

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Richard Crowley a écrit :
"perso" wrote in message
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Scott Dorsey a écrit :

In article znr1117410129k@trad, Mike Rivers
wrote:

So why hasn't some enterprising Linux/Ardour advocate put together an
Ardour distribution package that can be easily installed on a fresh
out of the box computer to provide a stable, capable DAW for less
money than ProTools, Nuendo, Samplitude, Cakewalk, and the like? Seems
like if Linux, Ardour, and the support programs are as solid as is
claimed, this could be a great deal for, say, $100 or so.



They have. It comes with a Linux distribution that is very stripped
down and doesn't have a lot of other stuff available. It's free, and
I'll see if I can find the CD that someone gave me at a show.
--scott

called Agnula
http://agnula.org/
you can try Agnula 1.2.1 RC1
regards



Interesting concept, but apparently "Some assembly requred."

On the "Applications" page http://www.agnula.org/packages/
I saw lots of "gui front ends" and "tookits" for synthisizer
applications, but nothing even remotely resembling a ready-
to-run recording/editing application (like Audacity, Ardour,
etc.) Did I miss something?

Is Linux not sophisticated enough to have a reasonably robust
installation that can be run on an average PC box? Is Linux (or
Ardour) not flexible enough to handle the majority of typical
sound cards?


noticed not any pb.
i'm not informatician, understand NOTHING in linux, don't know how to
make "a compilation" , and all works fine.
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Mike Rivers wrote:

So why hasn't some enterprising Linux/Ardour advocate put together an
Ardour distribution package that can be easily installed on a fresh
out of the box computer to provide a stable, capable DAW for less
money than ProTools, Nuendo, Samplitude, Cakewalk, and the like? Seems
like if Linux, Ardour, and the support programs are as solid as is
claimed, this could be a great deal for, say, $100 or so.

If the answer is "it's not so simple" then I think I've made a point.


Thank you for asking!!

LiveCD, no need to even install Linux:
http://www.ferventsoftware.com/ - 50 pounds...80 US?
http://www.dynebolic.org/ - free

I don't think dynebolic comes with ardour, at least it is not among its
advertized features.

Complete audio distribution:
http://www.agnula.org/ - free

Then of course you have Gentoo, which is not an audio distro but makes
creating a DAW very easy once you get past the install, which admitedly
takes some knowledge. It is a custom, almost DIY distro for non-newbies.

You can also modify Slackware, RH, and Mandrake with these pre-built
setups (all free):
http://www.audioslack.com/
http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/
http://rpm.nyvalls.se/

Of the three I think Mandrake is best for those with no Unix experience.

All of these are 32 bit though. As with most other things, if you are
in 64 bit you are kind of on your own. There is a project that is not
available yet called Studio64. Don't know a lot about it.

So there you have it. It IS that easy. You have several options all of
which are MUCH cheaper than pro-tools, cakewalk, and all the others. I
mean, you can't get much cheaper than, "Make a donation if you want."
Even Studio to Go! is cheaper than all but the most inexpensive Windows
DAW software.

I have only tried Gentoo myself. I may check out agnula though.


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Noah Roberts a écrit :
Mike Rivers wrote:

So why hasn't some enterprising Linux/Ardour advocate put together an
Ardour distribution package that can be easily installed on a fresh
out of the box computer to provide a stable, capable DAW for less
money than ProTools, Nuendo, Samplitude, Cakewalk, and the like? Seems
like if Linux, Ardour, and the support programs are as solid as is
claimed, this could be a great deal for, say, $100 or so.

If the answer is "it's not so simple" then I think I've made a point.



Thank you for asking!!

LiveCD, no need to even install Linux:
http://www.ferventsoftware.com/ - 50 pounds...80 US?
http://www.dynebolic.org/ - free

I don't think dynebolic comes with ardour, at least it is not among its
advertized features.

Complete audio distribution:
http://www.agnula.org/ - free

Then of course you have Gentoo, which is not an audio distro but makes
creating a DAW very easy once you get past the install, which admitedly
takes some knowledge. It is a custom, almost DIY distro for non-newbies.

You can also modify Slackware, RH, and Mandrake with these pre-built
setups (all free):
http://www.audioslack.com/
http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/
http://rpm.nyvalls.se/

Of the three I think Mandrake is best for those with no Unix experience.

All of these are 32 bit though. As with most other things, if you are
in 64 bit you are kind of on your own. There is a project that is not
available yet called Studio64. Don't know a lot about it.

So there you have it. It IS that easy. You have several options all of
which are MUCH cheaper than pro-tools, cakewalk, and all the others. I
mean, you can't get much cheaper than, "Make a donation if you want."
Even Studio to Go! is cheaper than all but the most inexpensive Windows
DAW software.

I have only tried Gentoo myself. I may check out agnula though.


I use Ardour 0.9beta 30 on Mandriva LE 2005 and 0.9beta21 on Agnula
1.2.1 RC1: all is fine

I have Sonar 3 SE, had Cubase, Tracktion,
and i prefer Ardour.

Pro Tools Ardour Samplitude same level/
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It is only cheap if you put zero cost on your time. If you put a
realistic charge on your time for someone familiar with windows and
unfamiliar with linux then a few hours struggling with a new operating
system is going to exceed any software charges. This ignores issues of
usability, reliability and support which, at this point in time, are
almost certain to favour commercial programs.

Where open source audio software really wins is for people who
want/need to be more than passive users. Lots of academics and
scientists use unix-type operating systems for audio applications and
the available software is growing. Whether commercial grade support
will be available is another matter of course.

The best compromise to my mind is Mac OSX which has plenty of
commercial programs but can also compile and run almost all linux
programs. This enables open unix programs and commercial programs to
run side by side without any penalty apart from the slightly higher
hardware costs.

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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
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In article znr1117410129k@trad, Mike Rivers wrote:

So why hasn't some enterprising Linux/Ardour advocate put together an
Ardour distribution package that can be easily installed on a fresh
out of the box computer to provide a stable, capable DAW for less
money than ProTools, Nuendo, Samplitude, Cakewalk, and the like? Seems
like if Linux, Ardour, and the support programs are as solid as is
claimed, this could be a great deal for, say, $100 or so.


They have. It comes with a Linux distribution that is very stripped
down and doesn't have a lot of other stuff available. It's free, and
I'll see if I can find the CD that someone gave me at a show.
--scott



Reminds me of the "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't".

UInless there are some real committed commie benelovent highly-skilled
programmer-hobbiests out there.

geoff


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andy a écrit :

The best compromise to my mind is Mac OSX which has plenty of
commercial programs but can also compile and run almost all linux
programs. This enables open unix programs and commercial programs to
run side by side without any penalty apart from the slightly higher
hardware costs.

Problem isn't Linux or Win or Mac
Problem is = to be interested by all DAW pro products (SAm, PT, Ardour)
because no one can say what could be future of DAW... research always
research.

yeah Mac OSX is probably the best solution.
Linux don't know
but i'm sure Windows won't be future of DAW applications.
for toys ok ... but not for pros applis.

regards
sorry for discussion about linux and audio pro.
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I have only tried Gentoo myself. I may check out agnula though.


I use Ardour 0.9beta 30 on Mandriva LE 2005 and 0.9beta21 on Agnula 1.2.1
RC1: all is fine

I have Sonar 3 SE, had Cubase, Tracktion,
and i prefer Ardour.


Now I wonder why that would be ?

Pro Tools Ardour Samplitude same level/


You clearly do not require much of a DAW if you really think that. Or do
you mean that they have screens that look similar ?

geoff




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I have only tried Gentoo myself. I may check out agnula though.


I use Ardour 0.9beta 30 on Mandriva LE 2005 and 0.9beta21 on Agnula 1.2.1
RC1: all is fine

I have Sonar 3 SE, had Cubase, Tracktion,
and i prefer Ardour.



Now I wonder why that would be ?


Pro Tools Ardour Samplitude same level/



You clearly do not require much of a DAW if you really think that. Or do
you mean that they have screens that look similar ?

geoff


right: i prefer sam/ to pt. (i talk about soft)
ardour will be one of the pros softs in few years.
PT is easy for audio applications, but for MIDI = out.
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called Agnula
http://agnula.org/
you can try Agnula 1.2.1 RC1
regards



Interesting concept, but apparently "Some assembly requred."

On the "Applications" page http://www.agnula.org/packages/
I saw lots of "gui front ends" and "tookits" for synthisizer
applications, but nothing even remotely resembling a ready-
to-run recording/editing application (like Audacity, Ardour,
etc.) Did I miss something?


Yes. You have missed a lot. That is what happens when you make snap
judgments about things you know nothing of.

http://apt.agnula.org/demudi/pool/main/a/

What you are looking at is obviously a very incomplete list.

Is Linux not sophisticated enough to have a reasonably robust
installation that can be run on an average PC box?


Eh?

Is Linux (or
Ardour) not flexible enough to handle the majority of typical
sound cards?


An incomplete list of supported sound chip sets can be found he
http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/

M-Audio seems to be a favorite though I do not own one. Just about ANY
"typical" sound card works great in Linux, but for audio applications
you don't want a 'typical' sound card. Many pro/semi-pro cards also
work. High end consumer cards like Creative Audigy work too. Most
sound cards work. Some recently developed ones will have funky or no
drivers but it doesn't take long for them to get worked out.
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andy wrote:
It is only cheap if you put zero cost on your time.


In my experience it is still cheaper.
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Geoff Wood wrote:
"perso" wrote in message news:429b7088$0$11705


Pro Tools Ardour Samplitude same level/



You clearly do not require much of a DAW if you really think that.


How the **** would you know? Are you another, "I used Linux for a week
and know all about it," kind of nimrod?
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perso wrote:

I have Sonar 3 SE, had Cubase, Tracktion,
and i prefer Ardour.

Pro Tools Ardour Samplitude same level/


I use Sonar, but as a sequencer. Currently there seem to be two
main sequencers for Linux, Rosegarden and MUSE.

I've not had much like with MUSE, and Rosegarden doesn't seem to be
able to save the synth port mappings, which is very unfortunate since
mine are rather complex.
I'm not sure if either one can lock to SMPTE either, which is very
important for me.

Are there any more that I haven't heard of?

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